A guy on WGR said it pretty well this morning

[78thealltimegreat]

We are at the point with this franchise where if our QB has an off game or we play a clunker we think the world is ending and we want to burn it all down and just start over. 

We lost to two 6-3 football teams on the road in one possession games. We are not getting routed by the Texans here. 
 

The season is long and we still have 9 more games to go. 
 

Steve Young said it best we are still a week to week league and now these guys will have to stew for 6 days hearing how they are overrated and been exposed. 
 

We all know how good this team is and the only way they fix it is taking it out on a pretty beatable 7-1 Vikings team. 

[SCBills]

Sure, go out and beat the Vikings .. look competent doing it .. and all this talk ends. 

 

Nobody is freaking out because we're 6-2 and just lost a close game where we played about as bad as we can, on the road, to a decent team.   The panic is because we've seen this story before.  Run game woes that last a few games before McD figures it out and mid-season lulls where Allen plays some horrible football at times and the offense looks like a JV team.  

 

Show us this year is different.. Show us this isn't the same pattern we've seen from McDermott coached teams that lead us to having to play in Arrowhead every postseason. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Waiting for the 'could the Crimson Tide beat the Bills?' thread. 🤔🤨

[Back2Buff]

Good to see Mike from Ithaca posts on here too, while calling WGR

[All_Pro_Bills]

3 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

We are at the point with this franchise where if our QB has an off game or we play a clunker we think the world is ending and we want to burn it all down and just start over. 

We lost to two 6-3 football teams on the road in one possession games. We are not getting routed by the Texans here. 
 

The season is long and we still have 9 more games to go. 
 

Steve Young said it best we are still a week to week league and now these guys will have to stew for 6 days hearing how they are overrated and been exposed. 
 

We all know how good this team is and the only way they fix it is taking it out on a pretty beatable 7-1 Vikings team. 

No argument with that but the Vikings have a pretty good RB and a QB that's proficient at the short passing game along with a team that is fundamentally sound so is anyone going to be surprised if they game plan on offense to do exactly what the Packers and Jets executed the past two games? 

 

So if McD and Frazier come into the game with the same approach as the past two weeks against the Vikings on Sunday I'm going to be both puzzled and upset along with concluding that the learning curve is just too steep for these guys to handle.  And the week after, what's the thinking on how Cleveland is going to come into the stadium?  Whether its execution or scheme or something else they better show some improvement.  

[Big Turk]

10 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

We are at the point with this franchise where if our QB has an off game or we play a clunker we think the world is ending and we want to burn it all down and just start over. 

We lost to two 6-3 football teams on the road in one possession games. We are not getting routed by the Texans here. 
 

The season is long and we still have 9 more games to go. 
 

Steve Young said it best we are still a week to week league and now these guys will have to stew for 6 days hearing how they are overrated and been exposed. 
 

We all know how good this team is and the only way they fix it is taking it out on a pretty beatable 7-1 Vikings team. 

 

If we look at it objectively, the Miami game was lost due to ridiculous numbers of players being out by the 4th quarter, the Bills leaving huge numbers of points on the field and the heat.  The Jets game was lost due to honestly, really bad play on both sides of the ball(to the Bills Standard at least), and stupid turnovers, one to take points off the board, the other giving the Jets the ball inside our own 20.  but both teams basically had to play really well still to beat us, and the Bills have to be beside themselves because at the end of the day, they honestly just beat themselves mostly, regardless of how well the other team played.  And they lost late in the 4th quarter after leading most of the game by 2 points and 3 points.  That's how far we have come...any loss is really not acceptable anymore.

Edited November 7, 2022 by Big Turk

[BillsFan4]

Anyone who wants to start over because of one loss needs to get their emotions in check because they are being ridiculous.

 

It’s just the annual slump. Every year there is a 2-3 game stretch where the defense suddenly can’t stop anyone and Josh Allen + the offense struggles.

Its like a tradition at this point 😂

 

The good news is that they always play much better afterwards. The bad news is it usually costs them the 1 seed.

 

Im hoping they can end the slump at 1&1/2 games this year and get back on track next week.

[Solomon Grundy]

2 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

We are at the point with this franchise where if our QB has an off game or we play a clunker we think the world is ending and we want to burn it all down and just start over. 

We lost to two 6-3 football teams on the road in one possession games. We are not getting routed by the Texans here. 
 

The season is long and we still have 9 more games to go. 
 

Steve Young said it best we are still a week to week league and now these guys will have to stew for 6 days hearing how they are overrated and been exposed. 
 

We all know how good this team is and the only way they fix it is taking it out on a pretty beatable 7-1 Vikings team. 

Yeah, but it would be nice if other areas of the team had the ability to step up and lift the team to a win despite the poor play of their QB. For instance, not allowing the Jets to run the ball down their throats. Shutting down the quick passing game with more man coverage. Making FGs, etc. The pressure they put on Josh to win games has to be monstrumental. 

[SCBills]

5 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

Anyone who wants to start over because of one loss needs to get their emotions in check because they are being ridiculous.

 

It’s just the annual slump. Every year there is a 2-3 game stretch where the defense suddenly can’t stop anyone and Josh Allen + the offense struggles.

Its like a tradition at this point 😂

 

The good news is that they always play much better afterwards. The bad news is it usually costs them the 1 seed.

 

Im hoping they can end the slump at 1&1/2 games this year and get back on track next week.

 

If these slumps continually cost us the 1 seed, nobody is overreacting. 

 

This team was built to win a Super Bowl and make the Playoffs go through Buffalo.   You think Pegula wants to keep paying tons of cash over cap so Beane can give McDermott a top end roster plus depth every year only to never host the AFC CG?

 

Mahomes has never played a road Playoff game. 

 

Edited November 7, 2022 by SCBills

[What a Tuel]

10 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Sure, go out and beat the Vikings .. look competent doing it .. and all this talk ends. 

 

Nobody is freaking out because we're 6-2 and just lost a close game where we played about as bad as we can, on the road, to a decent team.   The panic is because we've seen this story before.  Run game woes that last a few games before McD figures it out and mid-season lulls where Allen plays some horrible football at times and the offense looks like a JV team.  

 

Show us this year is different.. Show us this isn't the same pattern we've seen from McDermott coached teams that lead us to having to play in Arrowhead every postseason. 

 

When did you see this story before? Last year when we got beat by the Jags, or routed by the Colts? 

 

I mean....that didnt translate to a lost season but instead we had a good playoff run that ended on a very flukey scenario. 

[US Egg]

Wisdom from a guy on WGR and it wasn’t the hosts?

 

No surprise there.

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

When did you see this story before? Last year when we got beat by the Jags, or routed by the Colts? 

 

I mean....that didnt translate to a lost season but instead we had a good playoff run that ended on a very flukey scenario. 

 

because we had to play on the road.

 

i mean that's the bottom line here. These losses matter, and by losing to an inferior team, the Bills have ratcheted up the pressure on themselves going forward.

 

[What a Tuel]

1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

because we had to play on the road.

 

i mean that's the bottom line here. These losses matter, and by losing to an inferior team, the Bills have ratcheted up the pressure on themselves going forward.

 

 

But we were good enough to win on the road in Arrowhead. We had an epic failure on what should have been a won game. 

 

Look I am not arguing that home field advantage wouldn't be beneficial, I am just wondering what you all think the end to the story is if we don't ever get home field advantage? Like OP states, are we burning it all down if we don't? 

 

[corta765]

20 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Waiting for the 'could the Crimson Tide beat the Bills?' thread. 🤔🤨

 

I mean a really big red wave a water could be problematic

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, What a Tuel said:

 

But we were good enough to win on the road in Arrowhead. We had an epic failure on what should have been a won game. 

 

Look I am not arguing that home field advantage wouldn't be beneficial, I am just wondering what you all think the end to the story is if we don't ever get home field advantage? Like OP states, are we burning it all down if we don't? 

 

 

"burn it all down" is a polemic.

 

No one's looking to "burn it all down," let alone me. What I am asking is, at what point does it become OK to question the teambuilding philosophy and coaching?

 

[RichRiderBills]

31 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

We are at the point with this franchise where if our QB has an off game or we play a clunker we think the world is ending and we want to burn it all down and just start over. 

We lost to two 6-3 football teams on the road in one possession games. We are not getting routed by the Texans here. 
 

The season is long and we still have 9 more games to go. 
 

Steve Young said it best we are still a week to week league and now these guys will have to stew for 6 days hearing how they are overrated and been exposed. 
 

We all know how good this team is and the only way they fix it is taking it out on a pretty beatable 7-1 Vikings team. 

 

This is truth...

 

I really feel all our issues are fixable..

 

 

- Allen can focus and play better. He's had no INT games for huge stretches.

 

-turnovers

 

- poor tackling

 

-drops

 

-iffy playcalling

 

- getting players healthy

 

All these issues are fixable!

Edited November 7, 2022 by RichRiderBills

[What a Tuel]

1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

"burn it all down" is a polemic.

 

No one's looking to "burn it all down," let alone me. What I am asking is, at what point does it become OK to question the teambuilding philosophy and coaching?

 

 

I am not sure how you correct team building philosphy and coaching without making changes to coaching which usually results in rebuild mode.

 

I just don't think its #1 seed or bust for McDermott. I think they have built a successful franchise that so long as it consistently competes, we should let it do its thing. Obviously, the ultimate goal is a super bowl and I think we will get there, but I absolutely don't think our chances get better making such changes.

[BillsFan4]

19 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

If these slumps continually cost us the 1 seed, nobody is overreacting. 

 

This team was built to win a Super Bowl and make the Playoffs go through Buffalo.   You think Pegula wants to keep paying tons of cash over cap so Beane can give McDermott a top end roster plus depth every year only to never host the AFC CG?

 

Mahomes has never played a road Playoff game. 

 

We’ve only really been in the fight for the 1 seed since 2020, so 2 seasons plus this one.

 

2020 was the first year Josh really took his big step toward stardom so I’m not sure how realistic a goal the 1 seed was that year. It certainly wasn’t expected when the season started. It was the first year they won the division. Then in 2021 if you remember, Allen struggled to start the year. Then suddenly everything seemed to click in the 2nd half of that Tampa bay game and he’s been on fire ever since. So now we obviously expect more.

 

This year feels like the first year where anything but the 1 seed would feel disappointing. We obviously wanted it last year (and the year before) but KC was still the top dog in the East.

 

I would say the slump this year has been different. They aren’t getting embarrassed. They are still very competitive. They still won the Green Bay game despite a terrible 2nd half. They almost won the Jets game and led for much of it.

Lets see how they respond next week.

 

 

Anyone talking of firing McDermott is overreacting as far as I’m concerned. 

2 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

I am not sure how you correct team building philosphy and coaching without making changes to coaching which usually results in rebuild mode.

 

I just don't think its #1 seed or bust for McDermott. I think they have built a successful franchise that so long as it consistently competes, we should let it do its thing. Obviously, the ultimate goal is a super bowl and I think we will get there, but I absolutely don't think our chances get better making such changes.

This ⬆️
 

even if they don’t get the 1 seed this year it shouldn’t cost McDermott his job. The Bills are a powerhouse and odds on super bowl favorites. Talk of firing the head coach seems silly.

Edited November 7, 2022 by BillsFan4

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

I am not sure how you correct team building philosphy and coaching without making changes to coaching which usually results in rebuild mode.

 

I just don't think its #1 seed or bust for McDermott. I think they have built a successful franchise that so long as it consistently competes, we should let it do its thing. Obviously, the ultimate goal is a super bowl and I think we will get there, but I absolutely don't think our chances get better making such changes.

 

My college team, PSU, is in the same spot. They've got a guy who's built a program that's good enough to make bowl games consistently, but never good enough to reach the pinnacle. I mean, I hope you're right, but that's not a super place to be.

[1onemangang7]

There's really only one glaring weakness but they won't address it. A running game helps in every area and on both sides of the ball. The quarterback has to do it all. As long as that's true then when involved against good teams with good defenses it'll always come to that last possession. If the qb is going to lead the team in rushing then chances are they won't make it. You gotta put a true every down runner back there with Josh, and ditch this fantasy football nonsense with two split midgets behind him.  

Edited November 7, 2022 by gridirongold

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

30 minutes ago, corta765 said:

 

I mean a really big red wave a water could be problematic

Just retribution for Fostering a bias against one of the finest WRs ever to don a Bills uniform. 😁

[foreboding]

1 hour ago, BillsFan4 said:

Anyone who wants to start over because of one loss needs to get their emotions in check because they are being ridiculous.

 

It’s just the annual slump. Every year there is a 2-3 game stretch where the defense suddenly can’t stop anyone and Josh Allen + the offense struggles.

Its like a tradition at this point 😂

 

The good news is that they always play much better afterwards. The bad news is it usually costs them the 1 seed.

 

Im hoping they can end the slump at 1&1/2 games this year and get back on track next week.

Exactly this. Also, we are and will continue to get every teams "A Game". No one is going to look past us. They know they need to be very good to beat the Bills.. Jets played their best game yesterday.

[BillsFan4]

7 minutes ago, foreboding said:

Exactly this. Also, we are and will continue to get every teams "A Game". No one is going to look past us. They know they need to be very good to beat the Bills.. Jets played their best game yesterday.

Agreed.

 

I actually just posted something similar in the post game thread. The Bills are now truly the top dogs in the AFCE, and for the first time odds on super bowl favorites.

Every team is going to be fired up to take on the Bills, especially divisional opponents. The Bills have taken over for the patriots as the team everyone in the division is gunning for.

[uticaclub]

Why were we still in nickel in obvious rushing downs while we were getting gashed. Defensive play call has been and will be a problem when we don't have a big lead

[78thealltimegreat]

Despite how bad yesterday was it was 17-17 with 6 minutes left. The Jets just decided we are going to run it on the Bills and they did.
If we simply get a 3 and out we probably take the ball around mid field. Get a couple first downs and kick a field goal and go home 20-17. That just didn’t happen.

[Airseven]

4 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

We are at the point with this franchise where if our QB has an off game or we play a clunker we think the world is ending and we want to burn it all down and just start over. 

We lost to two 6-3 football teams on the road in one possession games. We are not getting routed by the Texans here. 
 

The season is long and we still have 9 more games to go. 
 

Steve Young said it best we are still a week to week league and now these guys will have to stew for 6 days hearing how they are overrated and been exposed. 
 

We all know how good this team is and the only way they fix it is taking it out on a pretty beatable 7-1 Vikings team. 

 

The problem was inflated expectations and anointing the Bills - who haven't proven anything - the favorite. A lot of "fans" will struggle with accepting the lack of hype glow. 

[Radar]

52 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Despite how bad yesterday was it was 17-17 with 6 minutes left. The Jets just decided we are going to run it on the Bills and they did.
If we simply get a 3 and out we probably take the ball around mid field. Get a couple first downs and kick a field goal and go home 20-17. That just didn’t happen.

Exactly. Team loss. Ok, Allen was off but that last drive was reminiscent of that 13 second disaster. Still have more confidence In our offense when it's crunch time.

[Success]

I feel like many fans are watching the NFL for the 1st time.

 

If great teams over the years never lost a few games to lesser teams (a.k.a. had a "clunker"), then we wouldn't have to endure seeing the '72 Dolphins celebrate every time the last undefeated team loses a game.

 

[BobbyC81]

7 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

My college team, PSU, is in the same spot. They've got a guy who's built a program that's good enough to make bowl games consistently, but never good enough to reach the pinnacle. I mean, I hope you're right, but that's not a super place to be.

After going thru the stretch of 17 straight seasons with no playoffs, I’ll take it.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, BobbyC81 said:

After going thru the stretch of 17 straight seasons with no playoffs, I’ll take it.

That was cool for a couple years. I want a super bowl 

[Einstein]

For me personally, it's not just the loss, but HOW we lost.

 

Allen throwing directly to defenders, both lines getting mauled at the line of scrimmage, and Gabe Davis dropping balls that hit him right in the hands or chest. 

 

I can feel good about a hard fought, tough loss, when we play well. I have a harder time feeling good when we lose to an inferiro team while playing so poorly and its the second game in a row. Mike Tomlin said that two games is a trend in the NFL. There are only 17 games. 2 games is over 10% of the season

 

[Captain Caveman]

8 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

because we had to play on the road.

 

i mean that's the bottom line here. These losses matter, and by losing to an inferior team, the Bills have ratcheted up the pressure on themselves going forward.

 

And yet, just about every team does this just about every year.  The Chiefs lost badly to the Colts (and barely escaped with a win last night against Tenessee.)

As Dick Jauron used to say (I can only laugh about it now that we're not going 5-11) it's hard to win in the NFL.

[Wacka]

We have lost by 5 total points the season.

[hemma]

12 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Waiting for the 'could the Crimson Tide beat the Bills?' thread. 🤔🤨

Not this year!

[LABILLBACKER]

I like how so many are not really bothered by this loss. All the way up to the point when the Bills lose the #1 seed because of these inconsequential "don't overreact" loses.

[Captain Caveman]

13 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I like how so many are not really bothered by this loss. All the way up to the point when the Bills lose the #1 seed because of these inconsequential "don't overreact" loses.

 

It's not that we're not bothered, it's that we understand that even the best teams rarely go undefeated, and we still feel like we are one of the best teams.

[muppy]

On 11/7/2022 at 6:44 AM, Solomon Grundy said:

Yeah, but it would be nice if other areas of the team had the ability to step up and lift the team to a win despite the poor play of their QB. For instance, not allowing the Jets to run the ball down their throats. Shutting down the quick passing game with more man coverage. Making FGs, etc. The pressure they put on Josh to win games has to be monstrumental. 

INTENSE PRESSURE at that and much of it self imposed (red)

 

to the Blue quoted I say of course any Bills fan will agree with this. It's called being CLUTCH and make those big statement dominating plays at the most opportune of moments.

 

I think this team Does have such playmakers on the defense. It just so happened that integral pieces were out with injuries and the backups were a step down in talent.

 

Sure we all want and many Expect Perfection and success from our athletes on every play at all times. Offensively our QB struggled and in a one score game our team came up short.

 

all the DRAMA since that loss does is for me kind of rookie just sayin'. I want to win as much as anybody. Steady as she goes Bills fans. Buckle Up. Lets see the team get healthier and then we can talk more subjectively

Edited November 8, 2022 by muppy

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

10 minutes ago, muppy said:

all the DRAMA since that loss does is for me kind of rookie just sayin'. I want to win as much as anybody. Steady as she goes Bills fans. Buckle Up. Lets see the team get healthier and then we can talk more subjectively

When exactly does the getting healthier begin?

 

[muppy]

Just now, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

When exactly does the getting healthier begin?

 

ASAP hermano ASAP

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, muppy said:

ASAP hermano ASAP

 

Been waiting all year