We need another WR bad

[Alphadawg7]

Yay, another extreme hot take.  You people realize Davis missed time and also played hurt right?  Commenting on his total catch numbers is unreasonable.  

 

Another extreme hot take over one game...really over one half...of a game we won by double digits and against one of the best pass defenses and secondary's in the league.

 

You people realize there is talent on the other teams we play too right?   You realize they get paid to make plays too right?  Not every player is going to dominate every second of every game.  

 

Is it Sunday yet cuz I don't how much more of these extreme hot takes I can take?

Edited October 31, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[Augie]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

How you think he played last night?

 

One night does not make a season or a career. I like the bigger view, though. 

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Never said it did…. But we’ve seen this before with Davis. 

 

Even Josh didn’t have his best game. It happens. I’m not overreacting, I’m taking the long view. I like what I see. It will never be perfect, but I like it a lot. 

[Buffalo Ballin]

Gabe Davis is a great number 2 WR.

 

He's gonna get a big extension with us. He has great hands. Those deep passes are difficult to catch. You try to do what he does. We don't need another WR, dude. Hell, we might even get OBJ on the cheap.

 

"We need another WR bad" is not an issue. The issue to monitor is really boosting our defense with injuries to Poyer and Milano.

[SCBills]

12 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Yay, another extreme hot take.  You people realize Davis missed time and also played hurt right?  Commenting on his total catch numbers is unreasonable.  

 

Another extreme hot take over one game...really over one half...of a game we won by double digits and against one of the best pass defenses and secondary's in the league.

 

You people realize there is talent on the other teams we play too right?   You realize they get paid to make plays too right?  Not every player is going to dominate every second of every game.  

 

Is it Sunday yet cuz I don't how much more of these extreme hot takes I can take?

All anyone can do is nitpick and find any crack in the armor that could prevent us from winning a Super Bowl.  
 

Gabe Davis and Isaiah McKenzie have not been consistent enough to squash the view many of us held heading into the season, that we should get another reliable WR.  This isn’t some knee jerk reaction, many of us have always felt this way.

 

Can we win a SB as is.. absolutely.  However, we’re nitpicking .. and a very visible area to go is in the fact our WR2, WR3 and TE1 have all been inconsistent/injured to this point.  
 

Singletary has been Allen’s chain mover in the pass game more often than a slant/sit-down/quick-out to McKenzie or Davis. 
 

Against KC, McKenzie bungled a TD and dropped a pass backed up in our own end zone.   Last night Davis was invisible for most of the night and dropped a house call slant. 
 

Can they all get better and solve the problem internally, yes.   But this is, and has been, a potential crack in the armor. 

 

 

Edited October 31, 2022 by SCBills

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

 

On one hand Davis does seem to disappear at times, but on the other he has 1/4 of the big plays in the passing game on 1/8 of Josh's pass attempts.

 

 

[QLBillsFan]

1 hour ago, BananaB said:

Lol! It’s not just Davis it’s McKenzie too. Both have not lived up to expectations. Find a better slot guy or find a better guy for the outside, either will help. 

Couldn’t disagree more. Davis wasn’t great last night but he’s a wr that needs to be game planned for opposite Diggs. Mck and Shakir are fine at slot. Zero need for a Prima Dona obj or any other wr. S and OL depth would be fine if a deal can be found. Otherwise the Bills are fine. 

[Augie]

31 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

On one hand Davis does seem to disappear at times, but on the other he has 1/4 of the big plays in the passing game on 1/8 of Josh's pass attempts.

 

 

 

Yes, he has disappeared at times, but we need to look past that when he was playing on a bad ankle. I’m glad he did what he could, even if it was mostly as a decoy. It’s hard to play WR in the NFL with a bad wheel. The guy makes plays. And complaining about him is mostly nitpicking, indeed. Life isn’t perfect. 

[John from Riverside]

3 hours ago, BananaB said:

He’s a big play guy. He deserves his opportunity but we can’t wait on him while chasing a Super Bowl, we need reinsurance if he can’t pull it together. He’s around 50% catch rate this year and also for his career. You can say he was injured but in those games he played he had drops and that got nothing to do with a bum ankle. 
 

Allen is playing out of his mind for the most part and besides Diggs no one has truly been reliable.  

Absolutely ridiculous that you don’t consider Gabe Davis a reliable option

[BananaB]

9 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Yes, he has disappeared at times, but we need to look past that when he was playing on a bad ankle. I’m glad he did what he could, even if it was mostly as a decoy. It’s hard to play WR in the NFL with a bad wheel. The guy makes plays. And complaining about him is mostly nitpicking, indeed. Life isn’t perfect. 

  It’s not nitpicking to say we need more consistency out of him or McKenzie. 

[Billz4ever]

20 hours ago, BananaB said:

Does Gabe or Isiah even have 20 catches this year? We lost Beas’s 80+ and these guys might not hit that combined. We need more then Diggs and Allen. Hope Beane is making calls because that was a ***** brutal game. 

I was thinking more on the lines of another punter.  How can we go all season with a guy that's only done his job a handful of times so far this year?

[BananaB]

8 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Absolutely ridiculous that you don’t consider Gabe Davis a reliable option

He’s averaging 2.6 catches a game in a pass happy offense and catching less the 50% of his targets. He’s the #2 guy in a pass happy offense. Must be Allen throwing him inaccurate passes all the time,  that’s haunted him since college.🙄

 

Gabe makes big plays but he hasn’t been consistent enough to be called reliable

[SinceThe70s]

8 minutes ago, BananaB said:

  It’s not nitpicking to say we need more consistency out of him or McKenzie. 

 

It's not nitpicking to start a thread with the title you chose or your opening comment.

[Success]

By "bad," do you mean "not at all"?

 

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, Augie said:

I think I like Davis more than most people. I love what he brings to our team. He makes big plays. 

 

This is weird to say, but part of the problem is that he only makes big plays. He's either catching 25+ yards bombs for TDs, or nothing. I've said this before, I think he would be a perfect #3 WR in our offense. He gives DBs a lot of trouble when he's running straight at them and he finds an extra gear downfield. But I want someone that gives us a little bit of everything to be our #2 WR. It's hard being a full time outside WR without the ability to, for example, run slant routes consistently. And Davis is inexplicably weaker at the catch point the closer to the LOS he gets. There's nothing wrong with his skill set, he fulfills that vertical role very well. The problem is we're asking him to fulfill a bigger role than his skill set would imply. Just my two cents.

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

This is weird to say, but part of the problem is that he only makes big plays. He's either catching 25+ yards bombs for TDs, or nothing. I've said this before, I think he would be a perfect #3 WR in our offense. He gives DBs a lot of trouble when he's running straight at them and he finds an extra gear downfield. But I want someone that gives us a little bit of everything to be our #2 WR. It's hard being a full time outside WR without the ability to, for example, run slant routes consistently. And Davis is inexplicably weaker at the catch point the closer to the LOS he gets. There's nothing wrong with his skill set, he fulfills that vertical role very well. The problem is we're asking him to fulfill a bigger role than his skill set would imply. Just my two cents.

 

Fair points. I think his game has and will progress. Working with Diggs won’t hurt that at all. 

[T master]

On 10/31/2022 at 2:59 PM, BananaB said:

Are you serious? Outside of Diggs who else has proven to be a consistent player. 

 

 Well lets see how about Davis, & Knox, & McKenzie now Cook is coming around they had Hodgins which given more reps probably could have made more catches . Have you been getting a beer while these guys have been making catches during the games ?

 

Oh & by the way did you see what Beane did today he didn't trade for a WR - BUT HE TRADED FOR ANOTHER RUNNING BACK !! Thank you very much ... 

Edited November 2, 2022 by T master

[Locomark]

This team wants run after the catch, so I expected the Hines type move and I expect the return of the jet sweep and more things to use Mckenzie in the open field again. I think those WR screens will start being a staple as well with many players since we have a bunch of guys that can block and run them. Why run risky slants that can be tipped when you can go outside into open space? 

[BananaB]

7 hours ago, T master said:

 Well lets see how about Davis, & Knox, & McKenzie now Cook is coming around they had Hodgins which given more reps probably could have made more catches . Have you been getting a beer while these guys have been making catches during the games ?

 

Oh & by the way did you see what Beane did today he didn't trade for a WR - BUT HE TRADED FOR ANOTHER RUNNING BACK !! Thank you very much ... 

 

I’m seeing all the catches, there just ain’t many being caught by either guy. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

I'm sure if the time comes that Brandon Beane will do his due diligence on Beckham. If he's not ready to roll one other name I could kind of see the Bills looking at is T. Y. Hilton. Yes he's a tad older and has had recent injury issues as well...but he did average 14.4YPC for the Colts in 10 games last season. 

[Malazan]

5 hours ago, Buffalo619 said:

He has had several drops and it’s concerning. Your stats are league wide. Let’s see individual drops, I’ll bet he has more than two, which is several. 
 

Do you feel embarrassed now that you went all Karen?

 

The number of drops doesn't change... Davis has 3 drops. 

Edited November 3, 2022 by Malazan

[BananaB]

2 minutes ago, Malazan said:

 

The number of drops doesn't change... Davis has 3 drops. 

Regardless, you don’t think a drop every 5 receptions is concerning

[Malazan]

7 minutes ago, BananaB said:

Regardless, you don’t think a drop every 5 receptions is concerning

 

No one measures it per reception, but yes.. now that you point it out..

 

I'm very concerned about Deebo Samuel (1 drop per 4.6 receptions), Gabriel Davis (1 drop per 5.3 receptions), DK Metcalf (1 drop per 6.1 receptions)

Edited November 3, 2022 by Malazan

[BananaB]

6 minutes ago, Malazan said:

 

No one measures it per reception, but yes.. now that you point it out..

 

I'm very concerned about Deebo Samuel (1 drop per 4.6 receptions), Gabriel Davis (1 drop per 5.3 receptions), DK Metcalf (1 drop per 6.1 receptions)

I’m not concerned about either because they don’t play for the Bills. 
 

And I’m more concerned about Gabes 47% catch rate over his drops. 

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, BananaB said:

I’m not concerned about either because they don’t play for the Bills. 
 

And I’m more concerned about Gabes 47% catch rate over his drops. 

 

I liked his 70 yard average catch, or whatever it was in one game, and I’m fond of the points. I love TD’s! 

 

We could go back and forth cherry picking stats, but I’ll take him as a player. It’s gonna pain you when his next contract is due. Somebody will pay big time, but you feel free to be you. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

12 minutes ago, BananaB said:

I’m not concerned about either because they don’t play for the Bills. 
 

And I’m more concerned about Gabes 47% catch rate over his drops. 

 

The point is that some of the best WR in the league have worse numbers than Davis does.  So that means your concerns are completely unrealistic.

 

Why doesn't Allen have an 80% completion percentage.  It's never been done in the history of the NFL, but so what, we're not talking about what are realistic expectations, so why start now.

[BananaB]

4 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I liked his 70 yard average catch, or whatever it was in one game, and I’m fond of the points. I love TD’s! 

 

We could go back and forth cherry picking stats, but I’ll take him as a player. It’s gonna pain you when his next contract is due. Somebody will pay big time, but you feel free to be you. 

Yeah that’s nice. Like I said before he’s good for a big plays but he gotta be more reliable if he’s our #2. I like Gabe and I think he deserves his shot, but right now I don’t think he’s doing a good enough job and he needs to be more consistent for us. Jmo. I can say the same thing about McKenzie. I might of been one of his biggest supporters during the off-season but right now I think he’s gotta play better as well. At this point unless we get OBJ there is no other WR coming in that could make a big impact and I’m not sold he even can. 
 

No turning back now. If they don’t start improving maybe Shakir will step up. Cook and Hines might have bigger rolls moving forward in passing game as well.  

[Malazan]

31 minutes ago, BananaB said:

I’m not concerned about either because they don’t play for the Bills. 
 

And I’m more concerned about Gabes 47% catch rate over his drops. 

 

Are those goalposts heavy? 

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, BananaB said:

Yeah that’s nice. Like I said before he’s good for a big plays but he gotta be more reliable if he’s our #2. I like Gabe and I think he deserves his shot, but right now I don’t think he’s doing a good enough job and he needs to be more consistent for us. Jmo. I can say the same thing about McKenzie. I might of been one of his biggest supporters during the off-season but right now I think he’s gotta play better as well. At this point unless we get OBJ there is no other WR coming in that could make a big impact and I’m not sold he even can. 
 

No turning back now. If they don’t start improving maybe Shakir will step up. Cook and Hines might have bigger rolls moving forward in passing game as well.  

 

It seems like you are forgetting that Davis had 4 TD’s (AN NFL RECORD) in our last playoff game. Since then he has missed or been hobbled by a bad ankle in about half his games. I know, he’s not the whole deal yet, but I think he will be for sure. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

On 10/30/2022 at 11:29 PM, BananaB said:

Does Gabe or Isiah even have 20 catches this year? We lost Beas’s 80+ and these guys might not hit that combined. We need more then Diggs and Allen. Hope Beane is making calls because that was a ***** brutal game. 

We’ve become the Rodgers to Adams Packers. It’s all Allen to Diggs.

[Floydboy12]

No reason to be concerned about Davis at all. He’s an excellent  #2 receiver. Capable of going off on any given day. The concern is getting reliable production from the slot and/or TE each week. 

[Nephilim17]

Well, considering we have he second-highest points per game in the league, we must get all those points with the help of a high-scoring run game. 

Wait, no? Well, then Josh Allen's rushing TDs have to be the reason. He has... oh, 2 rushing TDs so far.

 

Don't sweat it. Yes, Diggs is elite and no other pass catcher on this team consistently is  (Davis is, at times) but we are doing great and I'm confident that if Diggs goes out for a couple games that Davis, Shakir, Knox and a couple very good pass-catching backs can still help us pile up the points.  Remember, when the lights were shining the brightest and the pressure was the highest, Davis set a playoff record. He's been inconsistent but he'll be fine.

And not many teams can lose their number one WR and still be firing at the same pace. We'll are fine and will be ok.  Would I love getting OBJ, sure? Will we still be the best team without him? Yes.

[akcash]

I love Gabe Davis. I think at this point and maybe going forward he is a zone beater. And if we are playing against zone 100% of the time then he is 100% a number 2 receiver. Teams fear us so we see zone most of the time. I don't know what D Philly plays but if hes against press man I think he would have a tough time. I would love for Gabe to test the market and if he doesn't find top dollar come back and be our slot receiver and vert threat for the future. I think because he is a bigger body he could do damage from the slot with more space to operate.

[Ta111]

The Bills have the best passing attack in the entire league. They certainly don’t need another receiver badly.

[Eastport bills]

The problem with standing pat with this wide receiver group is that McKenzie is going to be the featured slot guy and he will break our hearts in a big spot guaranteed.

[Back2Buff]

On 10/31/2022 at 8:36 AM, Patrick Duffy said:

wtf

 

Like I said, failing.  

[Sharky7337]

On 10/30/2022 at 11:29 PM, BananaB said:

Does Gabe or Isiah even have 20 catches this year? We lost Beas’s 80+ and these guys might not hit that combined. We need more then Diggs and Allen. Hope Beane is making calls because that was a ***** brutal game. 

Credit to the poster who took all the flak and was right we are short handed right now outside steph. All the people who gave him crap emojis should come eat their humble pie.

[SCBills]

McKenzie is not a starting slot.  He’s our Mecole Hardman.   They even drafted a slot who they are bringing along slowly .. Moore vs Shakir. 
 

Is Hardman a starting slot for KC?  Nope.    They have Juju and traded for Toney because they know he’s not it.  

 

McKenzie is a massive weakness on this offense. 
 

Crowder injury is likely way more consequential than we ever thought.  
 

Edited November 7, 2022 by SCBills

[CountDorkula]

52 minutes ago, SCBills said:

McKenzie is not a starting slot.  He’s our Mecole Hardman.   They even drafted a slot who they are bringing along slowly .. Moore vs Shakir. 
 

Is Hardman a starting slot for KC?  Nope.    They have Juju and traded for Toney because they know he’s not it.  

 

McKenzie is a massive weakness on this offense. 
 

Crowder injury is likely way more consequential than we ever thought.  
 

I wanted JuJu on this team in a bad way. 
 

Buffalo needs. Reliable big bodied WR. 
 

Gabe for as big as he is does not attack the ball. That last pass to him yesterday, if he slows up and goes up to attack that ball, at a minimum is DPI. 

[Milanos Milano]

Davis and McKenzie have been utter disappointments this year. High expectations only to be crapped on because they can’t be consistent. The sooner we move away from McKenzie the better, dude masquerading as a WR when he can’t even get reliable yardage when needed.