Bills release new stadium renderings

[DasNootz]

34 minutes ago, Einstein said:

I wish Allen was riding one of the Buffalo's.

ask and you shall recieve....

[The Wiz]

2 minutes ago, DasNootz said:

ask and you shall recieve....

Need the channel 4 news chopper doing the Anthem fly-over.

[May Day 10]

The ribbon board on the far end zone side is starting to bother me.  Its thickkkkk

[KHAN]

[CountDorkula]

8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Style is always subjective but these are two very different stadium locations. Nashville’s design is a downtown location and I believe the architects are trying to create a downtown vibe with lots of balconies facing the streets so people can be seen in the stadium bars and restaurants, ‘hanging out’ before during and after the game. The other difference with a downtown design is that you cannot get far enough away from the facility to view it all at one time. The narrow streets and surrounding buildings block that kind of vista. The Orchard Park location is in the middle of a parking lot, so you can take in the entire stadium upon arrival. But unlike Nashville there’s no surrounding street atmosphere to engage with, so balconies and patios are somewhat superfluous.

 

Again, this isn’t about style. It’s about the stadium experience. 

 

if it’s a direct copy of Tottenham Hotspur, then I am 1000% on board. 
 

if it’s a stripped down version of that stadium because they needed to cut cost, and because Buffalo there is where I start to have issue. 
 

what’s another 20-25 million when you’re spending 1.2 billion 

[saundena]

3 hours ago, elroy16 said:

 

 

Would you really want them to maximize wind swirl and turn every game into a mess where no one can pass the ball? I know Allen has a canon but he can't throw through everything.

 

I'm pretty sure they designed the stadium to minimize the wind, which is the way to go.

 

Maximizing crowd noise should definitely be a priority.

 

Not necessarily maximize the wind, but wind certainly is an advantage for us over the years- especially from a kicking standpoint.  Over time, our kickers / punters get used to the all the intricacies and nuance of kicking in our stadium w/ unique wind pattern, but visiting kickers aren't. 

Edited October 27, 2022 by saundena

[Inigo Montoya]

It's a newer football stadium without any frills.  Looking at Nashville's proposed stadium shows what is possible, looking at ours shows what's acceptable.

 

Realistically, there's no reason to build an architecturally interesting building that is going to be an anchor or hub of a neighborhood sitting in the middle of nowhere in Orchard Park.  If it was built in downtown Buffalo it would have made more sense to make it something more than just a generic football stadium.  Which is what this is.

 

Ultimately, it's about the football team playing inside.  

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, CountDorkula said:

 

if it’s a direct copy of Tottenham Hotspur, then I am 1000% on board. 
 

if it’s a stripped down version of that stadium because they needed to cut cost, and because Buffalo there is where I start to have issue. 
 

what’s another 20-25 million when you’re spending 1.2 billion 

Well I guarantee it’s not a direct copy of Tottenham but you can certainly see that it’s from the same design firm. And, I’m guessing the Pegulas asked for it to be similar. I’m certain Terry and Kim visited Tottenham with the architects more than once.

[CountDorkula]

4 minutes ago, saundena said:

Not necessarily maximize it, but it certainly is an advantage for us over the years- especially from a kicking standpoint.  Over time, our kickers / punters get used to the all the intricacies and nuance of kicking in our stadium w/ unique wind pattern, but visiting kickers aren't. 

There is zero evidence to support this. You can’t predict wind. 
 

the Buffalo weather home field advantage is a long myth. 
 

it came out In the 90s when the Bills had one of the best teams In The league and Marvs clever slogan. 
 

it went away when the team was bad, it was proved to be non existent and actually caused the Bills to lose a game they had no business losing (Pats) 
 

players and the league have changed. Most players want comfort and zero weather impact. 

Edited October 27, 2022 by CountDorkula

[Shake_My_Head]

18 minutes ago, Rico said:

I like it better over the urinals.

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

It finally happened!!

 

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

It's a newer football stadium without any frills.  Looking at Nashville's proposed stadium shows what is possible, looking at ours shows what's acceptable.

 

Realistically, there's no reason to build an architecturally interesting building that is going to be an anchor or hub of a neighborhood sitting in the middle of nowhere in Orchard Park.  If it was built in downtown Buffalo it would have made more sense to make it something more than just a generic football stadium.  Which is what this is.

 

Ultimately, it's about the football team playing inside.  

With a stadium, the seating bowl is pretty much a seating bowl. After you get past the roof, or no roof, the differences are in the areas outside the bowl itself. Most importantly, in the concourse areas…which are non existent at Rich Stadium. That’s why I’m shocked that they didn’t present any images of those areas. Those spaces are going to be the REAL upgrade.

[saundena]

Just now, CountDorkula said:

There is zero evidence to support this. You can’t predict wind. 
 

the Buffalo weather home filed advantage is a long myth. 
 

it came out In the 90s when the Bills had one of the best teams In The league and Marvs clever slogan. 
 

it went away when the team was bad, it was proved to be non existent and actually caused the Bills to lose a game they had no business losing (Pats) 
 

players and the league have changed. Most players want comfort and zero weather impact. 

 

A long time ago I read an article that looked into this and the finding was that over time, our kickers enjoy a higher FG % than the visiting kickers.  I also remember that the difference was more pronounced later in the year when weather is typically worse.  Wish I could find the article.

[Beast]

4 hours ago, wagon127 said:

Worst stadium ever. No red endzones.

They can have multiple colored endzones and midfield designs through a season because it will be a grass field.

Edited October 27, 2022 by Beast

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

It finally happened!!

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[In Summary]

If it blocks the wind, then it's a winner.  I expect that a few competent aero/fluids engineers will solve that.

[K-9]

Just now, In Summary said:

If it blocks the wind, then it's a winner.  I expect that a few competent aero/fluids engineers will solve that.

It not only will block the wind, it will confuse the wind before doing so.

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, K-9 said:

It not only will block the wind, it will confuse the wind before doing so.

Blocked AND confused? Sounds expensive. 😉

[CountDorkula]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

With a stadium, the seating bowl is pretty much a seating bowl. After you get past the roof, or no roof, the differences are in the areas outside the bowl itself. Most importantly, in the concourse areas…which are non existent at Rich Stadium. That’s why I’m shocked that they didn’t present any images of those areas. Those spaces are going to be the REAL upgrade.

I hope the devil is in the details. 
 

I want it to be known you are walking into the Bills house. Think Bell Center in Montreal or Rogers center I think it’s still called in Toronto. 
 

I want Buffalos, Bills logos, Bills colors everywhere. A giant Buffalo In The opposing locker room. Bills highlights on TVs as the opposing players are walking out of the tunnel etc. 

[May Day 10]

7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

With a stadium, the seating bowl is pretty much a seating bowl. After you get past the roof, or no roof, the differences are in the areas outside the bowl itself. Most importantly, in the concourse areas…which are non existent at Rich Stadium. That’s why I’m shocked that they didn’t present any images of those areas. Those spaces are going to be the REAL upgrade.

 

I agree.  These 2 images seem purposely obscured and basic.  Furthermore, lots of things seem out of proportion.  I thought the big reveal would show a lot of detail, including concourses.

 

They must have gotten pressured to release something, either internally or from politicians.  They provided the bare minimum, plus those two panels of weird platitudes.  

 

This thing is supposed to break ground in months.  Im sure there are very detailed shop drawings and renderings out there.

 

 

This is the first time I have felt a little nervous that all is not so smooth.

 

Edited October 27, 2022 by May Day 10

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

But it's still in Tottenham. So there is that. 

posh

 

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, CountDorkula said:

I hope the devil is in the details. 
 

I want it to be known you are walking into the Bills house. Think Bell Center in Montreal or Rogers center I think it’s still called in Toronto. 
 

I want Buffalos, Bills logos, Bills colors everywhere. A giant Buffalo In The opposing locker room. Bills highlights on TVs as the opposing players are walking out of the tunnel etc. 

All good points and all cost next to nothing. Why you don’t see that sort of stuff in every venue is because most stadiums are used as multi-purpose facilities. People aren’t interested in seeing team logos when they go to see a concert. 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

Nashville’s is cooler if we’re being honest. 
 

But we have #17. 

[Billz4ever]

12 minutes ago, saundena said:

 

A long time ago I read an article that looked into this and the finding was that over time, our kickers enjoy a higher FG % than the visiting kickers.  I also remember that the difference was more pronounced later in the year when weather is typically worse.  Wish I could find the article.

The wind in the stadium swirls and can change directions in a heartbeat. There's no predicting this.

 

Any article trying to claim our kickers know the wind is clearly just speculation and would also be claiming that correlation implies causation.

 

The wind literally cost us homefield last year against the Chiefs since we held the tiebreaker. We lost the wind game at home in December to a team that threw 3 passes.

 

Because the early, mid-90s Bills were great teams, people now somehow automatically equate the Buffalo weather as being an advantage for us, which defies logic when we are a pass-happy offense now.

Edited October 27, 2022 by Billz4ever

[SoCal Deek]

11 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

 

I agree.  These 2 images seem purposely obscured and basic.  Furthermore, lots of things seem out of proportion.  I thought the big reveal would show a lot of detail, including concourses.

 

They must have gotten pressured to release something, either internally or from politicians.  They provided the bare minimum, plus those two panels of weird platitudes.  

 

This thing is supposed to break ground in months.  Im sure there are very detailed shop drawings and renderings out there.

 

 

This is the first time I have felt a little nervous that all is not so smooth.

 

So here’s how the software works. We model the entire facility (inside and out) and then we import the model into an animation software where we select a ‘path’ for a fly around animation. We can then take any ‘frame’ from that movie and turn it into a still shot rendering. It’s actually very easy once the computer model is built. It’s just like how they make a Pixar animated film. 

Edited October 27, 2022 by SoCal Deek

[The Wiz]

11 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Blocked AND confused? Sounds expensive. 😉

There is also the optional package of "hangs head in shame" but I guess it's not worth the sticker price. 

[WotAGuy]

2 hours ago, SDS said:

it’s a goddamn drawing.

Critiquing the drawing is like watching Road Runner cartoons and saying “Actually, the thrust rating on that particular model of Acme rocket is insufficient to propel the Coyote to the speeds depicted.  Epic fail!”  

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, WotAGuy said:

Critiquing the drawing is like watching Road Runner cartoons and saying “Actually, the thrust rating on that particular model of Acme rocket is insufficient to propel the Coyote to the speeds depicted.  Epic fail!”  

Was your father an aerospace engineer too? 😂

[RobbRiddick]

Where's the OJ Statue???

[WotAGuy]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

Was your father an aerospace engineer too? 😂

He was a hunter!

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, WotAGuy said:

He was a hunter!

Lucky stiff. 

[May Day 10]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

So here’s how the software works. We model the entire facility (inside and out) and then we import the model into an animation software where we select a ‘path’ for a fly around animation. We can then take any ‘frame’ from that movie and turn it into a still shot rendering. It’s actually very easy once the computer model is built. It’s just like how that make a Pixar animated film. 

 

Its likely that these things have been accomplished by Populous or whatever, but they haven't been paid the full amount (maybe its on contingency or something).  The Bills wont/cant cover the whole contract amount until these long-form documents are completed (hopefully December now).  Once the funding is freed up, the Bills can pay Populous, the model/renderings are delivered, and the Bills release them to the public.  

They were probably waiting for this, but someone somewhere got antsy to release them today, October 27th

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

Where's the OJ Statue???

Under the buffalo.

[Greg S]

2 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

Where's the OJ Statue???

 

I wonder if they will put him on the Wall of Fame in the new stadium.

[RiotAct]

55 minutes ago, Rico said:

I like it better over the urinals.

speaking of which… where are the renderings of the new bathrooms?!?

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, May Day 10 said:

 

Its likely that these things have been accomplished by Populous or whatever, but they haven't been paid the full amount (maybe its on contingency or something).  The Bills wont/cant cover the whole contract amount until these long-form documents are completed (hopefully December now).  Once the funding is freed up, the Bills can pay Populous, the model/renderings are delivered, and the Bills release them to the public.  

They were probably waiting for this, but someone somewhere got antsy to release them today, October 27th

That’s generally not how it works. Believe me Populous is NOT designing an NFL stadium on a retainer, or an IOU. They’ve been paid as they go based on monthly invoices and progress. (Unless they’re totally crazy.)

[May Day 10]

14 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

That’s generally not how it works. Believe me Populous is NOT designing an NFL stadium on a retainer, or an IOU. They’ve been paid as they go based on monthly invoices and progress. (Unless they’re totally crazy.)

 

Yeah, I work with various engineering and surveying firms and I get it.

 

I wonder if there is some sort of funding mechanism that prevents the Bills from taking ownership of the products and/or release them to the public until that deal is signed.

[ColoradoBills]

1 hour ago, mrags said:

I’d guess that 2/3 of the lower bowl is uncovered as well as about 1/2 of the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th levels. I think even some of the upper level will not be under complete coverage. I really hope I’m wrong and it’s a pic of bad angles. 

 

The fisheye view of the drawing looks deceiving.  I know other have mentioned this.

If you look at the overhang at the far-left hand side of the stadium it shows the overhang covering all of the upper level with the 2nd thru 4th levels.

If this is more accurate it would be great.

 

All in all, for a cheaper Buffalo stadium that we all knew was going to happen, it looks good to me.

Can't wait to be there for the "inaugural" season!

[YoloinOhio]