Any Realistic Guard Available at Trade Deadline?

[JohnBonhamRocks]

2 hours ago, Bob in STL said:

Listed by who?   The only list that counts is the coaches list.  

Admittedly have not seen the coaches post their top 5 / bottom 5 list anywhere

[LyndonvilleBill]

1 hour ago, Matt_In_NH said:

I am sure they can improve inside but to me the bigger need to tackle Depth.  Now that Doyle is done and brown is insured who is next?

Dalton Risner can play G and RT as well as Center if really needed. Versatility...😉

[BearNorth]

3 hours ago, unbillievable said:

Maybe the Browns can trade Wyatt Teller back to us.

Teller is inactive today, seems he has a recurring problem with "calf strain' [?achilles?].

 

Cleveland looks like they are headed for Salary Cap jail with Watson's contract.

[Aussie Joe]

 

5 hours ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

Saffold is regularly listed in the bottom 5 performers on the team

 

Thought Saffold played well against the Chiefs

Edited October 23, 2022 by Aussie Joe

[TheCockSportif]

Maybe The Highlander is available?  I hear that he's immortal.

[unbillievable]

24 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Thought Saffold played well against the Chiefs

 

It takes several games for grades to be updated.

For Offensive linemen, they only watch film once a year, then copy/paste week to week.

 

 

[Big Turk]

They are fine, I would not be messing with the OLine continuity when Allen is facing the least pressure in the NFL and has only been sacked 8 times all year(yup, I don't credit the Chris Jones trip as a sack even tho it was counted)

[Seoulofstone]

Risner would be a UDFA at the end of the season. If you want one at the deadline it’s Eric McCoy of NO. Reason being he spent a lot of time at both guard and center in the NFL and could replace Morse. Cap number is $3.2 mill this year. Saints are in deep doo doo against cap and now they aren’t even close to contending they may finally take their medicine.

[Beck Water]

11 hours ago, artmalibu said:

Anyone have a clue when Ike will be ready?

 

An Achilles is a 9 - 12 month RTP.  Boettger went on IR Dec 27.  

Beane said he expected him to play “a good amount of football” but also that he’d “suffered a setback” at the start of the season.  

 

Basically we could see them starting a 3 week window for Boettger to come of PUP at any time (9 months being past) but I’m guessing he needs more than 9 months if that’s a minimum and he suffered a setback.  Maybe he starts to practice in a couple weeks, at the end of October?

[In Summary]

11 hours ago, unbillievable said:

Maybe the Browns can trade Wyatt Teller back to us.

What a miss to let him go. Maybe he was the wrong type of athlete for McDermott/Daboll. 

[Beck Water]

5 hours ago, Seoulofstone said:

Risner would be a UDFA at the end of the season. If you want one at the deadline it’s Eric McCoy of NO. Reason being he spent a lot of time at both guard and center in the NFL and could replace Morse. Cap number is $3.2 mill this year. Saints are in deep doo doo against cap and now they aren’t even close to contending they may finally take their medicine.

 

I don’t think the Saints are gonna acknowledge they “aren’t even close to contending”.

Yeah, they’re 2-5, but they’re 1 game behind the leader/runner up in their division, who are both 3-4.

 

They’re apparently close to getting Jameis Winston and a bunch of other players back.  I think their viewpoint would be “a lot of football left to be played so we will keep our players thankyouverymuch”

[london_bills]

Detroit has a top 5 o line they were saying, maybe someone from there

[LyndonvilleBill]

10 hours ago, Seoulofstone said:

Risner would be a UDFA at the end of the season. If you want one at the deadline it’s Eric McCoy of NO. Reason being he spent a lot of time at both guard and center in the NFL and could replace Morse. Cap number is $3.2 mill this year. Saints are in deep doo doo against cap and now they aren’t even close to contending they may finally take their medicine.

Correct on Risner. Last year of his rookie deal, they have Q Meinerz and Muti already lined up. There was also talk of trading him last offseason. So I was thinking it could be a reasonable draft pick (?). Get him here for a few games, see how it works. If it's good, and I would expect it would be, new deal and he replaces Saffold. 1 Guard spot filled long term.😁

[GunnerBill]

14 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

 

Thought Saffold played well against the Chiefs

 

He did. It was one of his better games. He played well on the opening night too. In between times there has been plenty of bad. And Bates just looks what he is. A career backup who is now a below average starter. 

 

I see Risner's name thrown around and I remember he was very popular on these boards leading up to that 2019 draft. He has been inconsistent as a pro, frankly, and he doesn't strike me as a huge upgrade. But his contract works, and one more defeat next week to Jacksonville would be the final nail in their season's coffin... so availability I think works... but I wouldn't be throwing a lot at them for him given he is a half season rental option. AJ Cann from Houston is the option I like. His hit is $2.8m but I think we'd only be on the hook for $1.5m of it. I see him as a solid vet option to upgrade Bates. 

[Seoulofstone]

7 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

I don’t think the Saints are gonna acknowledge they “aren’t even close to contending”.

Yeah, they’re 2-5, but they’re 1 game behind the leader/runner up in their division, who are both 3-4.

 

They’re apparently close to getting Jameis Winston and a bunch of other players back.  I think their viewpoint would be “a lot of football left to be played so we will keep our players thankyouverymuch”

Im sure the Saints would agree with that. But even in a bad division what happens if they lose the next 2 weeks? They aren’t coming back from. 2-7 .

 

Unfortunately for them they are 54 mill over the cap next year. As had been said it’s pie in the sky to assume any team will give up a good guard mid season. Being in this bind gives a trading team the best chance. 
 

predictively though I doubt the Bills are looking to change their OL mid season.

Edited October 24, 2022 by Seoulofstone

[LyndonvilleBill]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He did. It was one of his better games. He played well on the opening night too. In between times there has been plenty of bad. And Bates just looks what he is. A career backup who is now a below average starter. 

 

I see Risner's name thrown around and I remember he was very popular on these boards leading up to that 2019 draft. He has been inconsistent as a pro, frankly, and he doesn't strike me as a huge upgrade. But his contract works, and one more defeat next week to Jacksonville would be the final nail in their season's coffin... so availability I think works... but I wouldn't be throwing a lot at them for him given he is a half season rental option. AJ Cann from Houston is the option I like. His hit is $2.8m but I think we'd only be on the hook for $1.5m of it. I see him as a solid vet option to upgrade Bates. 

True about Risner being inconsistent, but from what I have been able to gather reading,  it sounds like it may have to do with scheme change more than his play? Seems he was drafted for Zone blocking but Denver switched to Gap in 20&21? Now back to Zone. Found this article which talks about it.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/nfl/broncos/.amp/news/dalton-risner-player-profile-2022-outlook

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

True about Risner being inconsistent, but from what I have been able to gather reading,  it sounds like it may have to do with scheme change more than his play? Seems he was drafted for Zone blocking but Denver switched to Gap in 20&21? Now back to Zone. Found this article which talks about it.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/nfl/broncos/.amp/news/dalton-risner-player-profile-2022-outlook

 

Don't think that can be it because I'd argue 2021 was his best year of the three.

[Seoulofstone]

4 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

True about Risner being inconsistent, but from what I have been able to gather reading,  it sounds like it may have to do with scheme change more than his play? Seems he was drafted for Zone blocking but Denver switched to Gap in 20&21? Now back to Zone. Found this article which talks about it.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/nfl/broncos/.amp/news/dalton-risner-player-profile-2022-outlook

I read that too. I think he’s been a good player since drafting. Plus he’s friends with Morse.

[LyndonvilleBill]

5 minutes ago, Seoulofstone said:

I read that too. I think he’s been a good player since drafting. Plus he’s friends with Morse.

Maybe we can ask Von what he thinks as well.😉

[BeavercreekBillsFan]

20 hours ago, whorlnut said:

I’d love risner. Seems like a process guy through and through. Then again, we wouldn’t be talking about this if we had just taken Creed Humphrey instead of Carlos Basham or Dylan Parham instead of Bernard. 

The Bernard pick couldn’t have been a bigger waste of resources. Parham sitting right there and we take a LB who can’t get on the field instead of looking at protecting josh better not just for now but also the future. 

[LyndonvilleBill]

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Don't think that can be it because I'd argue 2021 was his best year of the three.

Maybe. 1st was a rookie year, 2nd, new scheme 3rd he had a season playing Gap. Maybe he can be good at both Gap and Zone? Now back to Zone.

[Rigotz]

Nobody we pick up off the street would be an upgrade.

Any legitimate upgrade would cost significant draft capital.

 

So... would it be better to trade a premium pick for a guard, who we immediately need to pay in the offseason and end up paying instead of Poyer/Edmunds/Phillips, etc. Or would it be better to simply use the draft pick on a Guard this offseason?

 

I think it's pretty clearly, the latter.

[Not at the table Karlos]

21 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

But they aren’t replacing him. They’ve targeted him in free agency.

 

Hopefully the Chiefs game is something they build on.

Why wouldn't they look to upgrade from their weakest link? 

20 hours ago, Bob in STL said:

Listed by who?   The only list that counts is the coaches list.  

Yeah because every week the coaches list their rankings. Smh

[LyndonvilleBill]

24 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

Nobody we pick up off the street would be an upgrade.

Any legitimate upgrade would cost significant draft capital.

 

So... would it be better to trade a premium pick for a guard, who we immediately need to pay in the offseason and end up paying instead of Poyer/Edmunds/Phillips, etc. Or would it be better to simply use the draft pick on a Guard this offseason?

 

I think it's pretty clearly, the latter.

Not so sure. That's why we are discussing it. I know I keep talking about Risner. IMO he would be an upgrade. Saffold is on a 1 yr deal. Wouldn't it be better to get an experienced guard with versatility than drafting one and hope it works out? (See Cody Ford 😉). I'm just another keyboard cowboy,  not a GM, so my opinion means squat.🤪.

[Not at the table Karlos]

20 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

No he's not

He's been bad. He's been ranked at bottom of roster almost every week. His two best weeks were 8th worst player.  Rams he was 3rd from bottom, Titans he was dead last, Dolphins he was dead last. Ravens he was 8th worst player on Bills. Steelers he was 8th again. Chefs 5th. 

Edited October 24, 2022 by Not at the table Karlos

[without a drought]

20 hours ago, artmalibu said:

Anyone have a clue when Ike will be ready?

I believe he has to start his 21 day practice window this week or be moved to the season ending injured reserve list.

[whorlnut]

57 minutes ago, BeavercreekBillsFan said:

The Bernard pick couldn’t have been a bigger waste of resources. Parham sitting right there and we take a LB who can’t get on the field instead of looking at protecting josh better not just for now but also the future. 

Totally agree. 100%. It made so much sense to take Parham. He’s very versatile and can play guard or center. Would have been a perfect piece to groom and slide into Saffold’s spot next year.

[Not at the table Karlos]

17 hours ago, unbillievable said:

 

It takes several games for grades to be updated.

For Offensive linemen, they only watch film once a year, then copy/paste week to week.

 

 

Athletic with Joe Buscaglia does all 22 grades every week 

[clayboy54]

5 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Athletic with Joe Buscaglia does all 22 grades every week 

And Joe is so accurate with his detailed grading 🤣. It seems to me as though he only operates with a limited grading system, ie. good, better, best.

[Dablitzkrieg]

49 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

He's been bad. He's been ranked at bottom of roster almost every week. His two best weeks were 8th worst player.  Rams he was 3rd from bottom, Titans he was dead last, Dolphins he was dead last. Ravens he was 8th worst player on Bills. Steelers he was 8th again. Chefs 5th. 

No, he's not

[Not at the table Karlos]

14 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

No, he's not

You can believe whatever you want in your fantasy land. 

30 minutes ago, clayboy54 said:

And Joe is so accurate with his detailed grading 🤣. It seems to me as though he only operates with a limited grading system, ie. good, better, best.

There's also others that do weekly grading. I provided that because he's local. If you want me to provide others I accept Venmo, cash app, PayPal or zelle.

 

 

The people trying to argue he's not terrible. You do know he plays for the Bills, right?  What games are you watching?

Edited October 24, 2022 by Not at the table Karlos

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, Seoulofstone said:

Im sure the Saints would agree with that. But even in a bad division what happens if they lose the next 2 weeks? They aren’t coming back from. 2-7 .

 

Unfortunately for them they are 54 mill over the cap next year. As had been said it’s pie in the sky to assume any team will give up a good guard mid season. Being in this bind gives a trading team the best chance. 
 

predictively though I doubt the Bills are looking to change their OL mid season.

 

You have a fair point, but the trading deadline is a week and a day away, next Tuesday.   So they could be 3-5 and possibly tied in wins with the Bucs and Falcons.  I'm sure they feel that Andy Dalton killed them with his 3 picks and that life will be better with Jameis.

 

I think Beane said something last year in his end of season presser that he thought if the trading deadline had been a little later, some teams might have felt they were out of it and been willing to do business, but where it is, those teams still have hopes (even slim hopes).  If they were in the NFC E or NFC N with 6 win and 5 win teams ahead of them, or if there were a team with a winning record leading their division sure, but 2-5 and 1 game back -- I'm sure they're like "lot of football to play, let's go!"

[GunnerBill]

22 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

You have a fair point, but the trading deadline is a week and a day away, next Tuesday.   So they could be 3-5 and possibly tied in wins with the Bucs and Falcons.  I'm sure they feel that Andy Dalton killed them with his 3 picks and that life will be better with Jameis.

 

I think Beane said something last year in his end of season presser that he thought if the trading deadline had been a little later, some teams might have felt they were out of it and been willing to do business, but where it is, those teams still have hopes (even slim hopes).  If they were in the NFC E or NFC N with 6 win and 5 win teams ahead of them, or if there were a team with a winning record leading their division sure, but 2-5 and 1 game back -- I'm sure they're like "lot of football to play, let's go!"

 

And honestly that is why I think the NFL trade deadline is in the right place. I hate the idea that you end up with multiple teams at the 3-7 type mark having a fire sale every year if you moved it back a couple of weeks. It seems to increasingly be the view of some fans that you either have a top 5 or 6 QB or what's the point, burn it all down and just get as many picks as you can but to me if that ever became a reality it would be to the detriment of the league. 

[Beck Water]

4 hours ago, without a drought said:

I believe he has to start his 21 day practice window this week or be moved to the season ending injured reserve list.

 

People keep saying this, but as far as I know it's not true, either for IR or for PUP (what Ike is on)

 

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

And honestly that is why I think the NFL trade deadline is in the right place. I hate the idea that you end up with multiple teams at the 3-7 type mark having a fire sale every year if you moved it back a couple of weeks. It seems to increasingly be the view of some fans that you either have a top 5 or 6 QB or what's the point, burn it all down and just get as many picks as you can but to me if that ever became a reality it would be to the detriment of the league. 

 

Seems to me there's a lot of space between move the deadline from week 8 to 10, vs multiple teams having a fire sale.  I'm sure you're correct about the viewpoint of some fans - Buddy Nix got a lot of things wrong, but one thing he got right was "if you listen to the fans, pretty soon you'll be sitting with them".  Having it be a fan viewpoint, doesn't mean it's an FO viewpoint.

Edited October 24, 2022 by Beck Water

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Seems to me there's a lot of space between move the deadline from week 8 to 10, vs multiple teams having a fire sale.  I'm sure you're correct about the viewpoint of some fans - Buddy Nix got a lot of things wrong, but one thing he got right was "if you listen to the fans, pretty soon you'll be sitting with them".  Having it be a fan viewpoint, doesn't mean it's an FO viewpoint.

 

I don't think there is that space in terms of the risk. I think those two extra defeats are about the time teams give up on the season. That said, I do agree with you on the point that fan perception wouldn't necessarily lead to front office reality.... though my view is I don't want to risk it. Week 8 feels right to me. I would not support a change. 

[Bob in STL]

7 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

 

Yeah because every week the coaches list their rankings. Smh

 

 

Yeah, because every week coaches read PFF and fan message boards to find out how good or bad their players are.  

 

 

 

On 10/23/2022 at 1:46 PM, JohnBonhamRocks said:

Admittedly have not seen the coaches post their top 5 / bottom 5 list anywhere

<sigh>   

 

Of course they don't. 

 

Show us your source for Saffold being on the bottom 5 rated player every week.  Or did you read it in PFF, or maybe in a fan forum?  If that is your source, then you don't really have one.   

[Simon Says]

Austin Corbett? Can play C or G

[appoo]

OLine is getting better in a herky-jerky kinda way. That was the best run blocking I've seen in a long time against KC

[BuffaloBills1998]

Just read the browns have put out Hunt and Greedy Williams on the block

Edited October 24, 2022 by BuffaloBills1998

[gobills404]

I’m 100% fine with where the Bills offensive line is right now. Pass pro has been good all year and the running game has started to come to life the last 3 weeks.