Christian McCaffrey rumors

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

But the $12M salary is irrelevant. His potential salary is $0 with no guaranteed money remaining. There is no reason to base anything off $12M. It's easier to simply start from scratch.

 

Pretend his contract is up after this year. That is the reality that everyone is facing.

 

Just start fresh and offer him 3/$15M with $10M guaranteed.

 

Sure we both end up in about the same place, but the way we get there is different. Forget what the current contract says and reset by his actual value.

 

And he would take a paycut why exactly?  Why would he take 15 mil when he already has a contract in place for 36 mil? That doesnt make sense.  If you say he could get cut if he dont then who cares?  He could just sign to the highest bidder which I guarantee some team will pay more than that cheap offer.  He would get at least double that on the open market if not more.

[Sherlock Holmes]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

Christian McCaffrey was a bed-wetter into 4th grade. 

 

 

 

 

(Is that the kind of rumor we are looking for?) 

 

See? Now all of a sudden he is worth 3 first round picks to me! That’s how that works…..

I was going to say something but then my brain worked and I realized how wildly inappropriate it would be...baby steps I guess

10 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Your picture is not big enough.

I want to win 4 Super Bowls, not one.

Exactly why we need McCaffrey for the next 4 years

[jkeerie]

45 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Hard to say what other teams might be willing to give up for CMC. The rumors of multiple first rounders are pretty absurd. I don't see any team giving up that for a CMC with his injury risk and a devalued RB position. So I think it's plausible that 2nd round picks are in play. 

 

How good would CMC be in San Francisco's run scheme? 

I agree.  I don't see SF making the trade though since they don't have a 1st rounder this year and would likely not want to give up their second rounder as well.   I could see the Rams sniffing at him...since they don't covet draft picks anyway.    They don't have a 1st this year, but they do have a 2nd.   I also think they want OBJ back and would up their offer significantly to acquire him.  Having CMC and OBJ would help their offense tremendously.

[tomur67]

I'm sure Carolina would like a 1st round pick from another team. rather than the one that they would get from the Bills.  Maybe they would only get a 32nd first round pick dealing with Buffalo.

[Buffalo03]

15 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Your picture is not big enough.

I want to win 4 Super Bowls, not one.

Lol. Where did I say that wouldn't happen? You think not having a 1st round pick one year on a loaded team is gonna prevent that? Lol

[3rdand12]

15 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Your picture is not big enough.

I want to win 4 Super Bowls, not one.

This. and Beane agrees with you.

His own words " I agree with Simon"

[Buffalo03]

1 hour ago, Einstein's Dog said:

But we don't just want him for this season.  Getting 2-3 years out of an elite player at a reasonable cost is what makes the whole thing so enticing.  He would not be a rental, he would be an addition.  

 

The Diggs trade made us good, the Von addition made us an SB favorite.  A CMC trade would start the dynasty.

No one said it would be a one year thing. I gave no issue with giving up a first if we can get 4 or 5 years out of him. Why does everyone take things so literally? I mention one season and people automatically think that's the only season I'm talking about 

[LabattBlue]

14 minutes ago, BuffBillsForLife said:

I want to win 4 super bowls but I would still happily trade the farm for one guaranteed and then hope for the best for the next 10-15 years with Josh.

Trading for CMC guarantees nothing.  

[Buffalo03]

2 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

This. and Beane agrees with you.

His own words " I agree with Simon"

Where did I say any differently? We are loaded. You think giving up a first round pick 1 year is gonna prevent us from winning multiple super Bowls? I love when people take pride in making assumptions

[boyst]

22 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Your picture is not big enough.

I want to win 4 Super Bowls, not one.

This is it. We have a 10 year window with Josh Allen. 

 

The Rams have no window beyond the next few years. They leveraged their future for 1 year

 

If we get 10 years with Josh and make the playoffs 8 of those years it'll be good. If we get to the Super Bowl a few times, even better. But, if we get there and win 1 or 2 then we should be happy.

 

It takes a lot to win in the NFL. 

 

 

[eball]

The Bills aren’t paying a 1st or 2nd or 3rd round pick for CMC.  Carolina knows it, Beane knows it, and fans should accept it.

 

[3rdand12]

4 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Trading for CMC guarantees nothing.  

and maybe that's his point.

 Mine is that trading for CMC does not put us over the top by any means.
Odell Beckham and McCaffrey are luxury items the Rams might go for.

 Not the best way to build long term imho.
and it's reactionary thinking of fans.
 Draft the next RB or two.
Improve the O line significantly on the right side and an aging center and LG to protect Josh for next decade with Dion
 Draft draft draft, We see nowadays , that we can finally develop quality and high performing players from nearly any round. That is how you win long term !

 Combining Coaching with talented kids who are willing to work.

 

10 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Where did I say any differently? We are loaded. You think giving up a first round pick 1 year is gonna prevent us from winning multiple super Bowls? I love when people take pride in making assumptions

I was not responding to you. I was responding to Simon. I made no assumption of you whatsoever

 

so back at ya

9 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

This is it. We have a 10 year window with Josh Allen. 

 

The Rams have no window beyond the next few years. They leveraged their future for 1 year

 

If we get 10 years with Josh and make the playoffs 8 of those years it'll be good. If we get to the Super Bowl a few times, even better. But, if we get there and win 1 or 2 then we should be happy.

 

It takes a lot to win in the NFL. 

 

 

I must be aging gracefully. because after these years on here , I am agreeing with you.

 Maybe its you though ?  lol

[boyst]

5 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

and maybe that's his point.

 Mine is that trading for CMC does not put us over the top by any means.
Odell Beckham and McCaffrey are luxury items the Rams might go for.

 Not the best way to build long term imho.
and it's reactionary thinking of fans.
 Draft the next RB or two.
Improve the O line significantly on the right side and an aging center and LG to protect Josh for next decade with Dion
 Draft draft draft, We see nowadays , that we can finally develop quality and high performing players from nearly any round. That is how you win long term !

 Combining Coaching with talented kids who are willing to work.

 

I was not responding to you. I was responding to Simon. I made no assumption of you whatsoever

 

so back at ya

I must be aging gracefully. because after these years on here , I am agreeing with you.

 Maybe its you though ?  lol

It's you. I've always been delightful and adorable 

Edited October 20, 2022 by Boyst62

[Simon]

21 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Lol. Where did I say that wouldn't happen? You think not having a 1st round pick one year on a loaded team is gonna prevent that? Lol

 

If you start pissing away high draft picks on low value players that are no better than what we already have, then yes, the Bills will have a very difficult time maintaining longer term success.

[NORWOODS FOOT]

One thing I'll say is that IF the Bills decide to bring in CMC opposing defenses would have zero FN idea if we were running or passing.

 

Can you imagine Diggs, Davis, Shikir, Knox and McCaffery on the field? They can be your 5 wides or you could put CMC in the backfield and have Knox block.

 

Can you imagine getting a team in base personnel and then using these guys five-wide in hurry-up?

Or getting them in dime and lining up and running it over and over?

Edited October 20, 2022 by NORWOODS FOOT

[HappyDays]

6 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Mine is that trading for CMC does not put us over the top by any means.

 

I think McCaffrey creates a minimum 7 point difference against the Chiefs. Singletary should have scored on his run from the 10 yard line but doesn't have enough burst. Nothing against him, he's played well this year, but his limits are pretty obvious. And that drive ended with 0 points. There was another drive that stalled because Singletary didn't hit the hole that was open for a 1st down. Playing against the 2nd best team in the NFL those plays could make all the difference in the world.

 

I get the people who say McCaffrey is too costly or not worth trading future picks for. I do not understand the people that say he doesn't improve our team. That is pretty much objectively not true.

[3rdand12]

3 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

It's you. I've always been delightful and adorable 

Well, I suspected as much.

[Simon]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I think McCaffrey creates a minimum 7 point difference against the Chiefs. Singletary should have scored on his run from the 10 yard line but doesn't have enough burst. Nothing against him, he's played well this year, but his limits are pretty obvious. And that drive ended with 0 points. There was another drive that stalled because Singletary didn't hit the hole that was open for a 1st down. Playing against the 2nd best team in the NFL those plays could make all the difference in the world.

 

I get the people who say McCaffrey is too costly or not worth trading future picks for. I do not understand the people that say he doesn't improve our team. That is pretty much objectively not true.

 

Motor also made a bunch of plays that McCaffrey is just not going to make.

Making people miss at the LOS and at the second level is something Singletary does much better than McCaffrey, he also finishes his runs with a lot more power which results in extra yards.

[3rdand12]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

I think McCaffrey creates a minimum 7 point difference against the Chiefs. Singletary should have scored on his run from the 10 yard line but doesn't have enough burst. Nothing against him, he's played well this year, but his limits are pretty obvious. And that drive ended with 0 points. There was another drive that stalled because Singletary didn't hit the hole that was open for a 1st down. Playing against the 2nd best team in the NFL those plays could make all the difference in the world.

 

I get the people who say McCaffrey is too costly or not worth trading future picks for. I do not understand the people that say he doesn't improve our team. That is pretty much objectively not true.

in theory ? Yes
Availability comes into play
We drafted Cook and can draft again next season.
But yes , the "potential" is a pretty awesome lure.

[Coach Tuesday]

3 minutes ago, NORWOODS FOOT said:

One thing I'll say is that IF the Bills decide to bring in CMC opposing defenses would have zero FN idea if we were running or passing.

 

Um - they have known we'll be passing and have been completely unable to stop it so...

[NORWOODS FOOT]

The Chiefs are going to come back more focused than ever.

[Buffalo03]

7 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

If you start pissing away high draft picks on low value players that are no better than what we already have, then yes, the Bills will have a very difficult time maintaining longer term success.

One player, one year that is NOT a low value player. I don't think that will be much of a problem 

[3rdand12]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

Motor also made a bunch of plays that McCaffrey is just not going to make.

Making people miss at the LOS and at the second level is something Singletary does much better than McCaffrey, he also finishes his runs with a lot more power which results in extra yards.

I am going to say it here, because i am such a freaking homer.
Devin is doing what we are asking him to do very very well, and i love the kid this season showing up. Feeding him more each week and he responds. Keep in mind Josh Allen' glowing review of Motor. To me he epitomizes Bills Football mentality and game day play
 as for the change of pace / Cook brings that and will improve in time. is he next level ?  Does he need to be in Dorsey's playbook.

 Stay tuned in

[No_Matter_What]

I'd be shocked and frankly quite disappointed if Beane traded out our 1st rounder or 2nd rounder for a RB, no matter how good. Not to mention an injury  prone RB.

 

He'd be an instant upgrade, but that's not the way to build the team which wants a long term success.

Edited October 20, 2022 by No_Matter_What

[Buffalo03]

19 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

and maybe that's his point.

 Mine is that trading for CMC does not put us over the top by any means.
Odell Beckham and McCaffrey are luxury items the Rams might go for.

 Not the best way to build long term imho.
and it's reactionary thinking of fans.
 Draft the next RB or two.
Improve the O line significantly on the right side and an aging center and LG to protect Josh for next decade with Dion
 Draft draft draft, We see nowadays , that we can finally develop quality and high performing players from nearly any round. That is how you win long term !

 Combining Coaching with talented kids who are willing to work.

 

I was not responding to you. I was responding to Simon. I made no assumption of you whatsoever

 

so back at ya

I must be aging gracefully. because after these years on here , I am agreeing with you.

 Maybe its you though ?  lol

I know you were responding to Simon but you agreed with him based off of what you guys thought I meant and not what I was actually saying

[newcam2012]

57 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

I think CMC would honor his contract.  Most of the contract and payment thought and arrangements for the next year and a half would be thought out of in advance.  CMC would love the opportunity to play for a contender.  

 

ICMC would be a fan favorite and he in turn would love playing for Buffalo and fit right in.  The Bills would pay him fairly and he would accept it much in the same fashion as Diggs has.

 

And saying Singletary played well is true, kind of like saying Smoke played well before Diggs got here.

What you are saying is he will take a Bills discount. We will see. I think it's unlikely. 

[unbillievable]

We've used a 2nd, 3rd, and 3rd on a runningback already.

 

[BillsFanForever19]

Motor is NOT going anywhere this season. I don't care if he's in the plans next season or not. McCaffrey is only coming in as an addition to Motor. Not to take his place.

 

Beyond the fact that McCaffrey cannot be trusted to stay healthy and as such, would leave us with Moss and Cook (who could be good eventually, but is not taking to the game as quickly as expected) - Motor is a BELOVED member of the locker room. To remove him right now en route to the Playoffs would make players unhappy.

 

We'd be looking at CMC to add to our room and replace Moss. Taking away Motor to add McCaffrey would still leave us with only 1 trusted RB (which is where we are now anyways) and one that we could lose at a moments notice.

Edited October 20, 2022 by BillsFanForever19

[newcam2012]

16 minutes ago, NORWOODS FOOT said:

One thing I'll say is that IF the Bills decide to bring in CMC opposing defenses would have zero FN idea if we were running or passing.

 

Can you imagine Diggs, Davis, Shikir, Knox and McCaffery on the field? They can be your 5 wides or you could put CMC in the backfield and have Knox block.

 

Can you imagine getting a team in base personnel and then using these guys five-wide in hurry-up?

Or getting them in dime and lining up and running it over and over?

It would be perhaps an unstoppable or ad close as you can get to an unstoppable offense. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

17 minutes ago, NORWOODS FOOT said:

One thing I'll say is that IF the Bills decide to bring in CMC opposing defenses would have zero FN idea if we were running or passing.

 

Can you imagine Diggs, Davis, Shikir, Knox and McCaffery on the field? They can be your 5 wides or you could put CMC in the backfield and have Knox block.

 

Can you imagine getting a team in base personnel and then using these guys five-wide in hurry-up?

Or getting them in dime and lining up and running it over and over?

i belive this is the idea with Cook …. Obviously no cmc

And Gabe block

He’s excellent at it

[newcam2012]

17 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I think McCaffrey creates a minimum 7 point difference against the Chiefs. Singletary should have scored on his run from the 10 yard line but doesn't have enough burst. Nothing against him, he's played well this year, but his limits are pretty obvious. And that drive ended with 0 points. There was another drive that stalled because Singletary didn't hit the hole that was open for a 1st down. Playing against the 2nd best team in the NFL those plays could make all the difference in the world.

 

I get the people who say McCaffrey is too costly or not worth trading future picks for. I do not understand the people that say he doesn't improve our team. That is pretty much objectively not true.

He improves the team immediately. However, can he stay healthy? What impact will he have on keeping other players?

[Buffalo03]

24 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

If you start pissing away high draft picks on low value players that are no better than what we already have, then yes, the Bills will have a very difficult time maintaining longer term success.

Do you think McCaffrey is better than Singletary and Moss?

Edited October 20, 2022 by Buffalo03

[BillsShredder83]

2 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

Champ Bailey and Clinton Portis might see it differently. 

Because the 2004 and 2022 nfl Is the same product huh? 🙄 

[Buffalo03]

30 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

If you start pissing away high draft picks on low value players that are no better than what we already have, then yes, the Bills will have a very difficult time maintaining longer term success.

McCaffrey is better than what we have at his current position. Saying he is no better than what we have is completely wrong. 

[Turbo44]

Our goal is to win this Super Bowl this year. CMC would increase the chance because he would be on the Bills AND not on another contending team. Beane proved with the Von signing that he’s all in. We may not get him, but one has to think Beane is kicking the tires

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

 

And he would take a paycut why exactly?  Why would he take 15 mil when he already has a contract in place for 36 mil? That doesnt make sense.  If you say he could get cut if he dont then who cares? 

 

He doesnt really have a "contract in place". Sure, technically one exists. But there is no guaranteed money left. Meaning, he is one ding away from making $0 for the rest of his life. It also means that his new team could simply cut him at the end of the year and be on the hook for nothing. No dead cap. No anything.

 

The only thing at risk is what the new team pays from him in trade.

 

CMC and his agent know he isnt seeing that $12M/year from anyone. The new team will want a new deal before the trade finalizes. And frankly, so does CMC and his agent in order to protect him long term.

 

As far as the business side of the NFL goes, the remaining 3yr/$36M do not exist.

 

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He could just sign to the highest bidder which I guarantee some team will pay more than that cheap offer.  He would get at least double that on the open market if not more.

 

Big statements. Show me one example of a RB signing a 3rd contract worth more than $7M/year. Let alone one with his recent injury history.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/cap-hit/running-back/

Edited October 20, 2022 by DrDawkinstein

[boyst]

25 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

McCaffrey is better than what we have at his current position. Saying he is no better than what we have is completely wrong. 

 

32 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Do you think McCaffrey is better than Singletary and Moss?

Go look at the stats. Singleterry is doing pretty good. The argument could be made CMC is all Carolina has vs Singleterry who is just another weapon. Yep, and CMC would be just another weapon here.

 

Go look at motors runs. He doesn't go down easily, can move throught first contact, has good balance, and only struggles with vision for the hole.

 

CMC avoids contact and doesn't move through it like motor. 

 

Coupled in with factors:

1) what it'd take to get him

2) snaps away from Cook

3)Our OL needs a 1st round or 2nd round talent ( go look at UFA OL for 2023)

4) CMC is injured. 

 

Watch enough tape you will know CMC is very good. He catches and runs well but we have WRs and TEs who do as good or better. We don't need touches away from Davis, Knox or Diggs.

 

Watch enough tape you won't see much impressive film on CMC running. Not anymore. 

[Simon]

39 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Do you think McCaffrey is better than Singletary and Moss?

 

He's a more natural ballcatcher but he's not a better ballcarrier than Singletary.

[Buffalo03]

2 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

 

Go look at the stats. Singleterry is doing pretty good. The argument could be made CMC is all Carolina has vs Singleterry who is just another weapon. Yep, and CMC would be just another weapon here.

 

Go look at motors runs. He doesn't go down easily, can move throught first contact, has good balance, and only struggles with vision for the hole.

 

CMC avoids contact and doesn't move through it like motor. 

 

Coupled in with factors:

1) what it'd take to get him

2) snaps away from Cook

3)Our OL needs a 1st round or 2nd round talent ( go look at UFA OL for 2023)

4) CMC is injured. 

 

Watch enough tape you will know CMC is very good. He catches and runs well but we have WRs and TEs who do as good or better. We don't need touches away from Davis, Knox or Diggs.

 

Watch enough tape you won't see much impressive film on CMC running. Not anymore. 

I understand all that about Motor but he is not the player McCaffrey is. I wanna keep Singletary and add McCaffrey. Cut Zack Moss and go won a super bowl or multiple super Bowls. But his argument that McCaffrey is not better than what we have is flat out wrong. People wanna talk themselves out of McCaffrey so much that they are feeding themselves bullsh*t that somehow they believe 

[Scott7975]

26 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

He doesnt really have a "contract in place". Sure, technically one exists. But there is no guaranteed money left. Meaning, he is one ding away from making $0 for the rest of his life. It also means that his new team could simply cut him at the end of the year and be on the hook for nothing. No dead cap. No anything.

 

The only thing at risk is what the new team pays from him in trade.

 

CMC and his agent know he isnt seeing that $12M/year from anyone. The new team will want a new deal before the trade finalizes. And frankly, so does CMC and his agent in order to protect him long term.

 

As far as the business side of the NFL goes, the remaining 3yr/$36M do not exist.

 

 

Big statements. Show me one example of a RB signing a 3rd contract worth more than $7M/year. Let alone one with his recent injury history.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/cap-hit/running-back/

 

You're insane if you don't think this guy is getting around 10 per in the open market.  Our team would have the option to either pay his current salary at 12 mil per year, release him, or give him a new contract he is willing to sign.  I guarantee you he isn't signing for no 5 mil a year.  

 

Saying 3rd contract is disingenuous because he would still be barely into his second contract when signing a new one.  This guy is getting paid.  Your wishful thinking won't change that.