Buffalo Boy Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 11 minutes ago, HappyDays said: ESPN reporter out of Charlotte: Beat me to it. Just heard her interviewed on local radio here. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) Right now, I'm hoping CMC goes to SF or LA. edit: Sorry @Sherlock Holmes. But, hey, if he is in SF maybe your chances go up? Edited October 20, 2022 by DrDawkinstein 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 To get MCaffrey under the cap we'll have to cut Tre White, trade Stefon Diggs, get Josh to take a pay-cut and still petition the league to expand the cap more than planned. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: To get MCaffrey under the cap we'll have to cut Tre White, trade Stefon Diggs, get Josh to take a pay-cut and still petition the league to expand the cap more than planned. LOL. All over a 4.8 million cap hit? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: No. It does not. His contract can be restructured to be only a 4.8 million cap hit next year. CMC? His contract can be restructured to be whatever we want next year (that he'll agree to obviously). There is no guaranteed money left, so if he is cut he earns nothing until he gets another deal. And an aging, injured RB is not making more than $5M on the open market. He becomes real cheap, actually. We could probably restructure him, and extend Poyer, and extend Oliver. The toughest one is Edmunds considering his market value will be around $18M-20M, and that is a LOT to eat for a guy we were unsure on going into this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: To get MCaffrey under the cap we'll have to cut Tre White, trade Stefon Diggs, get Josh to take a pay-cut and still petition the league to expand the cap more than planned. I don’t know if this was meant to be a joke. But the 3 players you mentioned have a combined cap hit of 75 million in 2023, so that isn’t even close to accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said: LOL. All over a 4.8 million cap hit? Just curious. I like this number, but where are you getting it from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: CMC? His contract can be restructured to be whatever we want next year (that he'll agree to obviously). There is no guaranteed money left, so if he is cut he earns nothing until he gets another deal. And an aging, injured RB is not making more than $5M on the open market. He becomes real cheap, actually. We could probably restructure him, and extend Poyer, and extend Oliver. The toughest one is Edmunds considering his market value will be around $18M-20M, and that is a LOT to eat for a guy we were unsure on going into this season. Tag Edmunds? As of now, if someone has to walk I'd let Oliver go 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiserplayer Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: To get MCaffrey under the cap we'll have to cut Tre White, trade Stefon Diggs, get Josh to take a pay-cut and still petition the league to expand the cap more than planned. Or get Mccaffery to agree to a revision of his contract closer to the market value of his production the last couple years that is incentive laden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: Just curious. I like this number, but where are you getting it from? Joe B. from the Athletic stated McCaffrey's contract can easily be restructured so the 23' hit is 4.8 million as others have brought up, there is no guaranteed $ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Tag Edmunds? As of now, if someone has to walk I'd let Oliver go Ehh, still tough with a Tag number of $18.7M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: To get MCaffrey under the cap we'll have to cut Tre White, trade Stefon Diggs, get Josh to take a pay-cut and still petition the league to expand the cap more than planned. I mean that's been explained as not the case from the start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Joe B. from the Athletic stated McCaffrey's contract can easily be restructured so the 23' hit is 4.8 million as others have brought up, there is no guaranteed $ All accurate but I'm curious where he is getting such an exact figure of $4.8M. There is no guaranteed money, so it can be restructured to anything. Could be $3M if CMC would agree to it. There is no floor other than what CMC will agree to, as far as I know. Edited October 20, 2022 by DrDawkinstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: Ehh, still tough with a Tag number of $18.7M Extend Allen every year and push $$ around! Time to circumvent the cap! Just now, DrDawkinstein said: All accurate but I'm curious where he is getting such an exact figure of $4.8M. There is no guaranteed money, so it can be restructured to anything. Could be $3M if CMC would agree to it. I could be wrong, but I think a restructure has specific hits per year based on how you want to allocate. Now, if it was a new contract that would be different, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninSarasota Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 10 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: To get MCaffrey under the cap we'll have to cut Tre White, trade Stefon Diggs, get Josh to take a pay-cut and still petition the league to expand the cap more than planned. Is this RunJoshRun ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 If it involves a 1st round pick no thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 1 minute ago, BuffaninSarasota said: Is this RunJoshRun ? No. A new thread wasn't started. But just wait. It will come soon. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: CMC? His contract can be restructured to be whatever we want next year (that he'll agree to obviously). There is no guaranteed money left, so if he is cut he earns nothing until he gets another deal. And an aging, injured RB is not making more than $5M on the open market. He becomes real cheap, actually. We could probably restructure him, and extend Poyer, and extend Oliver. The toughest one is Edmunds considering his market value will be around $18M-20M, and that is a LOT to eat for a guy we were unsure on going into this season. You said he's "an aging, injured RB", that's what we're trying to get? 🤔 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Just now, GolfandBills said: If it involves a 1st round pick no thanks I really don't get the obsession with 1st rounders. It's a different story if your team is rebuilding / needs a QB But when you are in the state this team is.....pick #32 for an elite player is a strong move 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Just now, Donuts and Doritos said: You said he's "an aging, injured RB", that's what we're trying to get? 🤔 As far as what teams will use in negotiations in Free Agency. He certainly isnt going to get the ridiculous $12M/yr that Carolina was dumb enough to sign him to. Doesnt mean he cant play at all, or isnt good. It's just the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Just now, Warriorspikes51 said: I really don't get the obsession with 1st rounders. It's a different story if your team is rebuilding / needs a QB But when you are in the state this team is.....pick #32 for an elite player is a strong move This staff has been very good with their first round picks. I’d like to keep that going instead of wasting it on an always injured running back. Maybe it’s just me 🤷🏻♂️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 1st and a player is what I'm expecting the Bills to offer. I'm also expecting that pick to be in the 30's. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, GolfandBills said: If it involves a 1st round pick no thanks If giving up that first round pick got us a Super Bowl win this year, would that change your mind? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Just now, Buffalo03 said: If giving up that first round pick got us a Super Bowl win this year, would that change your mind? I don’t have a crystal ball 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 If we traded for von and won the super last year nobody would’ve been complaining about the picks we gave up. If a reasonable deal can be made I don’t see the problem. We are within reach and can taste it. I’m not worrying about beane overpaying cause he’s not going to. I still wouldn’t do it with singletary involved though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, GolfandBills said: This staff has been very good with their first round picks. I’d like to keep that going instead of wasting it on an always injured running back. Maybe it’s just me 🤷🏻♂️ I would trade Oliver, Edmunds, Rousseau, or Elam for CMC right now. player for player. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Just now, unbillievable said: 1st and a player is what I'm expecting the Bills to offer. I'm also expecting that pick to be in the 30's. No way I give up a first for him with his history of injuries. Granted he is a very good RB when healthy which isn't very often. Who knows if this happens but I am guessing Beane doesn't give up a first either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 1 minute ago, unbillievable said: I would trade Oliver, Edmunds, Rousseau, or Elam for CMC right now. player for player. Well thank god you aren’t the GM.. 3 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 8 minutes ago, Draconator said: No. A new thread wasn't started. But just wait. It will come soon. I'm in the lab, with a pen and a pad... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, GolfandBills said: I don’t have a crystal ball I get that. But anyone saying they don't wanna give up a 1st has to look at the bigger picture. If it means we're holding up the Lombardi at the end of the season, then make that trade all day long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: All accurate but I'm curious where he is getting such an exact figure of $4.8M. There is no guaranteed money, so it can be restructured to anything. Could be $3M if CMC would agree to it. There is no floor other than what CMC will agree to, as far as I know. Turn $11 million of his $12 million salary into a bonus leaving him with a 1 mil base salary and the bonus prorates over the final 3 seasons at roughly 3.6ish million per season. So that year 1 cap hit is about 4.8. Raises his final 2 years but the Bills have alot cap flexibility (relatively) starting in 2024. Cap will also start to rise in 2025. If I have time, I'll do a future cap post because there's a lot of doom and gloom going on about the cap and it's just not accurate. Some guys will have to be sacrificed but such is life in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 8 minutes ago, GolfandBills said: This staff has been very good with their first round picks. I’d like to keep that going instead of wasting it on an always injured running back. Maybe it’s just me 🤷🏻♂️ It's not just you. And I think we need our draft picks from the first 3 rounds more than ever right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 19 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said: I don’t know if this was meant to be a joke. But the 3 players you mentioned have a combined cap hit of 75 million in 2023, so that isn’t even close to accurate. So you're saying it's not enough ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Beck Water said: It's not just you. And I think we need our draft picks from the first 3 rounds more than ever right now. We could trade away the 2nd rounders. That seems to be where Beane misses on the most. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 10 minutes ago, unbillievable said: 1st and a player is what I'm expecting the Bills to offer. I'm also expecting that pick to be in the 30's. Yea, this may be what it takes to get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, unbillievable said: I would trade Oliver, Edmunds, Rousseau, or Elam for CMC right now. player for player. It's more like trading McKenzie, Epenesa, Moss, Singletary, and a late 1st or 2nd for CMC. Except they'll let you keep McKenzie, Epenesa, and Singletary for this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 I'm shocked that anyone would give up a first for an oft-injured, overpriced RUNNING BACK on the best passing team in the league. 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Tre White for CMC is probably the most equitable trade. All-pro for All-pro. Injury for Injury prone. We have to see this trade from both sides. 6 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Just now, unbillievable said: Tre White for CMC is probably the most equitable trade. All-pro for All-pro. Injury for Injury prone. We have to see this trade from both sides. Your screen name matches your posts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Heitz said: I'm shocked that anyone would give up a first for an oft-injured, overpriced RUNNING BACK on the best passing team in the league. Their fan base is saying anything less than a 1st + more is an insult. Our fanbase want to give them mid rounders and backups. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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