NFL WEEK #4 - Bills at Ravens - Post Game Thread

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[Generic_Bills_Fan]

10 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

I apologize for the horrible screenshot, may have been brought up and it's moot now... but would this not be offensive PI? 

 

The ridiculous play on that 3rd and long that Lamar got out of, Andrews tipped the ball to Bateman.... Andrews was all over the back of Milano way before the ball ever got there. Seems like offensive PI. 

 

(tried to highlight the ball with yellow)

 

I had to go back and take a pic of this with my phone during the commercial break. I was in SHOCK there were TWO officials right there watching and neither threw a flag. The Ravens held EVERY DAMN PLAY

That looks fine to me because both players have a right to try to catch the football…absolutely massive play by Andrews on that one.  That’s gonna be talked about one of the great Lamar plays rather than a terrible decision because Andrews was able to deflect that ball.  
 

The hold in the bottom pic was probably the most obvious hold I’ve ever seen. 

[SCBills]

43 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

There doesn't seem to be much talk about how many times Allen ran the ball yesterday (11 times). Usually there is a pretty vocal group when Allen runs that much in a pretty physical game. Is it because his runs yesterday were so essential to winning the game?

 

Just curious.

 

If we see him running like that against the Steelers on Sunday, we will be vocal about it again ha.

 

Allen unleashed is as close to impossible to stop as there is in the NFL. However, the coaches need to pick and choose their spots.  They've clearly realized this when he doesn't run at all in the Titans game.  

 

This game though, coming off a loss, against a team we may very well be competing against for the 1 seed... I'd rather we have any semblance of a traditional run game, but since we don't.. this was a big win, and they did what they needed in order to get the victory. 

[CircleTheWagons99]

36 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

They were holding all day…we got away with some too.  In those games where we’re like ‘why is our offensive line invisible’ it’s because the refs are lettin them play on the offensive line 😁

I rewatched, just the highlights im not paying for NFL+, and noticed alot more holding on the Ravens part then the Bills. 

[Greg S]

45 minutes ago, CircleTheWagons99 said:

 

They knew if they kicked the FG, Allen would just drive it down for a TD.  Their best bet was to go for it, maybe they should have run it instead of having their RB throw it?

 

He obviously doesn't trust his defense. They did blow a big lead against the Dolphins as well as yesterday. But still you have to get the lead at that point in the game. There was about 4 minutes left. I know the Ravens defense has sucked but he should have let them have the chance to win the game at that point. 

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, CircleTheWagons99 said:

ill just leave this here.

 

Not saying it shouldnt be called but I see those type of arm bar holds go uncalled all the time.  Not just our team.  Even worse one when the tackle is at the back of the player and still doing an arm bar around the front.  I do not know why these dont get called.

[billsfan1959]

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[SCBills]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Disappointing how ill informed GMFB was about the end game situation.  

 

Ravens absolutely did let us score once we got to their 10 yard line.  Singletary had a run where he realized that and went down at the 3 on his own.  Then Allen somehow executed a 2 yard sneak for a first down while making sure he didn't cross the goal line. 

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

The TD on that INT was there to be made for him right off the snap to the left.  Glad he didnt even look at that side of the field.

[No_Matter_What]

2 hours ago, wjag said:

In most of those games he relied on analytics and they have backfired.  Live on the altar of analytics die on the altar..

Did Harbaugh says that this time he used analytics?

 

Anyway, two comments from my side.

 

1. If analytics says go for it, you go for it. Math is always right. The only problem is the data you put into it.

 

2. I really don't get why he is getting so heavily criticized. Even if we don't care what math says (I have no idea in this case), to me it seems like quite an easy decision to go for it. If you get it, you force Allen to march complete field which is twice as hard than to get just a FG. And if you don't, you force Bills to start at their own 2 with no running game.

 

Decision to go for it wasn't a problem. Lamar just needs to do better than throw an INT. That was the real killer.

[Bangarang]

2 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

There doesn't seem to be much talk about how many times Allen ran the ball yesterday (11 times). Usually there is a pretty vocal group when Allen runs that much in a pretty physical game. Is it because his runs yesterday were so essential to winning the game?

 

Just curious.

He didn’t take any unnecessary hits and made more of an effort to slide and get down. That’s all I care about.
 

Allen running is part of his game, I just don’t need to see him try and bulldoze through defenders for a few extra meaningless yards.

[Ta111]

18 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

Disappointing how ill informed GMFB was about the end game situation.  

 

Ravens absolutely did let us score once we got to their 10 yard line.  Singletary had a run where he realized that and went down at the 3 on his own.  Then Allen somehow executed a 2 yard sneak for a first down while making sure he didn't cross the goal line. 

Agreed. All the talking heads make it sound like the Ravens screwed up, but you can see Devin slow down once he hits the 3 yard line. He was going down whether a Raven was there or not.

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[BritBill]

38 minutes ago, Ta111 said:

Agreed. All the talking heads make it sound like the Ravens screwed up, but you can see Devin slow down once he hits the 3 yard line. He was going down whether a Raven was there or not.

Singletary definitely voluntarily stopped before going into the end zone. He did well.

 

To then follow it up with the QB sneak for the first down was beautiful. 

[CircleTheWagons99]

2 minutes ago, BritBill said:

Singletary definitely voluntarily stopped before going into the end zone. He did well.

 

To then follow it up with the QB sneak for the first down was beautiful. 

The player that tackled Devin said "I didnt even tackle him, he just went down" He was trying to strip the ball, once he touched Devin, Devin dropped.

[Ta111]

10 minutes ago, BritBill said:

Singletary definitely voluntarily stopped before going into the end zone. He did well.

 

To then follow it up with the QB sneak for the first down was beautiful. 

Yep, Sean made mention of it in his postgame comments. They discussed not scoring during the 2 minute warning.

[YoloinOhio]

 

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[wjag]

11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

The first clip brought up another observation yesterday.  Because the game was so close in the 4th, nobody left.  And then when Singletary got the big run a bunch started to stream out.  And then when Josh got the first, a bunch more headed for the parking lots.  And then the 2 consecutive kneel downs, swarms were heading out.  They didn't even stick around to see if Bass missed and the game went into OT.  When the game was over, you could absolutely see how many Bills fans were there.  Answer, plenty.  It was glorious.

 

I had this Ravens fan sitting behind me and my family all game.  And he was screaming derogatory stuff about the Bills all game and I mean all game long.

 

"Allen sucks", "Where's Diggs?", "MVP", "Move those chains", "Your defense sucks", etc. 

 

It was so satisfying to turn around and celebrate in front of him.. 

[UKBillFan]

@newcam2012 - know you were asking about ref decisions going against us as you felt the final call was soft. I'm watching the game back and, on our second drive back, we could have easily had a roughing the passer and DPI be given in our favour against Queen and Stephens. This was on the second offensive series, just before we kicked the field goal. A small sample, but shows how decisiosn went against us as well as for.

Edited October 3, 2022 by UKBillFan

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[Chandler#81]

The whole game in a nutshell.

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

8 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

The whole game in a nutshell.

 

On the last he was trying to emulate Sugar High Josh

 

😆 

[Chandler#81]

I’m not sayin’, justsayin’, Matt Milano is Elite!

 

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1 minute ago, Chandler#81 said:

I’m not sayin’, justsayin’, Matt Milano is Elite!

Matt “the Missile” Milano 

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

@newcam2012 - know you were asking about ref decisions going against us as you felt the final call was soft. I'm watching the game back and, on our second drive back, we could have easily had a roughing the passer and DPI be given in our favour against Queen and Stephens. This was on the second offensive series, just before we kicked the field goal. A small sample, but shows how decisiosn went against us as well as for.

For sure the refs made some poor non calls. I felt there were several holds on the Ravens they missed. However, I'd prefer to move on as I beat a dead horse to a pulp. Not a good look. On to the Steelers who the Bills should smash. Oh how I would love to see a blowout, Cook development, Shakir catches, and several sacks, etc...

[The Wiz]

1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said:

I’m not sayin’, justsayin’, Matt Milano is Elite!

 

Not to mention Bryant on that play.  Completely leveled the FB and Dobbins didn't have a blocker anymore.

Edited October 3, 2022 by The Wiz

[Rochesterfan]

4 hours ago, SCBills said:

 

Disappointing how ill informed GMFB was about the end game situation.  

 

Ravens absolutely did let us score once we got to their 10 yard line.  Singletary had a run where he realized that and went down at the 3 on his own.  Then Allen somehow executed a 2 yard sneak for a first down while making sure he didn't cross the goal line. 

 

Where they needed to let him score was the quick screen to Singletary.  They had already given up nearly 20 yards and another 1st down - once he broke free - the Ravens should of been grabbing him and trying to escort him into the end zone - do not let him go down, but they had multiple players from behind and the side finally come in and make a play to get him down.  That was with 1:50 left and they had to use a timeout.

 

I would like to think Devin knew because I totally agree on his 8 yard run - he was not scoring and Josh was not scoring unless either player was physically grabbed and pulled into the end zone.

 

It worked out in the worst possible way for Baltimore as he went down outside the 10 allowing the Bills to get another 1st down and use the rest of the clock.  

[newcam2012]

25 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Not mention Bryant on that play.  Completely leveled the FB and Dobbins didn't have a blocker anymore.

Milano and Edmunds were instrumental in stopping the Ravens. I thought Shaq was an impact player. Von had a sack but he was a little off in his rushing. Saw him very wide a few times. Maybe I'm wrong. Also, on the fourth play I believe it was Shaw and Rosseua pressuring Lamar. My brother said Von wasn't even on the field for that play. Anyone have a guess why not? Maybe because of the run threat? 

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

7 hours ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said:

After the Big Int by Poyer at the 50, I still want to question why a running play to Moss? It seemed to kill the momentum right off the start and eventually put the D right back on the field. 

We should just never run the ball, all it does is waste downs and put Josh in worse down and distance.

 

Just kidding but not really.

[Rochesterfan]

4 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

Did Harbaugh says that this time he used analytics?

 

Anyway, two comments from my side.

 

1. If analytics says go for it, you go for it. Math is always right. The only problem is the data you put into it.

 

2. I really don't get why he is getting so heavily criticized. Even if we don't care what math says (I have no idea in this case), to me it seems like quite an easy decision to go for it. If you get it, you force Allen to march complete field which is twice as hard than to get just a FG. And if you don't, you force Bills to start at their own 2 with no running game.

 

Decision to go for it wasn't a problem. Lamar just needs to do better than throw an INT. That was the real killer.

 

To me it is the major problem with analytics.  
 

The math said go, but the math does not always take every probable scenario into account and make factors - along with things like the weather.

 

I don’t blame him going for it, but the scenario of him throwing a pick there did not really seem to be something that occurred to Harbaugh.  Basically after the game he was like either we score or we give them the ball inside the 2 and I trust my defense in that spot to stop them.  The Int destroyed that possibility.

 

 

[newcam2012]

5 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Where they needed to let him score was the quick screen to Singletary.  They had already given up nearly 20 yards and another 1st down - once he broke free - the Ravens should of been grabbing him and trying to escort him into the end zone - do not let him go down, but they had multiple players from behind and the side finally come in and make a play to get him down.  That was with 1:50 left and they had to use a timeout.

 

I would like to think Devin knew because I totally agree on his 8 yard run - he was not scoring and Josh was not scoring unless either player was physically grabbed and pulled into the end zone.

 

It worked out in the worst possible way for Baltimore as he went down outside the 10 allowing the Bills to get another 1st down and use the rest of the clock.  

I could clearly see the Ravens letting Singletary score. However, I was upset he went down at the 3 or so because that didn't give the Bills a first down. If they stopped the Bills in the proceeding play(s)they still would have had some time on the clock to get a FG. When Allen got the 1st down then the Bills could and did run out the clock. Am I right in my assessment? 

[Ralonzo]

14 hours ago, K-9 said:

Per the bold, if Ravens fans are upset about the play Poyer made, they should acquaint themselves with the rule book. Poyer has just as much of a right to make a play on the ball as the receiver does, which is exactly what he did. Unlike Poyer, the Ravens DB who clocked McKenzie did no such thing. As far from a “mirror image” as can be. 

 

I was referring to the third down stop that Poyer defended. He did came through the back of the Raven receiver. Are you referring to the end zone interception? I mean, Poyer did make a lot of plays Sunday!

[newcam2012]

5 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

To me it is the major problem with analytics.  
 

The math said go, but the math does not always take every probable scenario into account and make factors - along with things like the weather.

 

I don’t blame him going for it, but the scenario of him throwing a pick there did not really seem to be something that occurred to Harbaugh.  Basically after the game he was like either we score or we give them the ball inside the 2 and I trust my defense in that spot to stop them.  The Int destroyed that possibility.

 

 

I don't think anyone had interception based into the equation. The old rule of math says at home you kick the FG and hope your defense makes a stop. 

[Rochesterfan]

4 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I could clearly see the Ravens letting Singletary score. However, I was upset he went down at the 3 or so because that didn't give the Bills a first down. If they stopped the Bills in the proceeding play(s)they still would have had some time on the clock to get a FG. When Allen got the 1st down then the Bills could and did run out the clock. Am I right in my assessment? 

 

That is correct.

 

I believe Singletary went down because he felt the Raven coming and wanted to protect the ball and ensure he did not get pushed-dragged into the end zone.

 

At that point the Bills still needed a 1st down to ensure they could run the clock out.

 

 

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1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

I could clearly see the Ravens letting Singletary score. However, I was upset he went down at the 3 or so because that didn't give the Bills a first down. If they stopped the Bills in the proceeding play(s)they still would have had some time on the clock to get a FG. When Allen got the 1st down then the Bills could and did run out the clock. Am I right in my assessment? 

I think there was a worry he'd get tossed in, especially with how the Ravens defense reacted.

[YoloinOhio]

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[K-9]

1 hour ago, Ralonzo said:

 

I was referring to the third down stop that Poyer defended. He did came through the back of the Raven receiver. Are you referring to the end zone interception? I mean, Poyer did make a lot of plays Sunday!

Yes, I was indeed referring to the int in the endzone. Apologies if I missed any context.