2022 MVP: Mahomes wins. Allen gets 1 vote? (42 TDs, 19 TOs, 315 YPG & 63.3%% Comp %--EOY talk 54+)

[GunnerBill]

Josh isn't winning MVP. It is Hurts or Mahomes. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

21 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Josh isn't winning MVP. It is Hurts or Mahomes. 

It will come down to the final 3 games. If Hurts stumbles a little Allen has a shot if the Bills are the 1 seed and Allen throws 3-4 TDs a game.

 

All of a sudden Mahomes and Allen are tied in INTs. 

8 minutes ago, NUT said:

Burrow has better numbers than Allen now. Allen isn't a realistic option now, and Vegas agrees. +1000

We’ll see where it goes after the Bills v Bengals.

 

 I get the sense people around the league and media are starting to believe the Bills aren’t as talented offensively as they thought. Allen is carrying this team. 

Edited December 19, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

It will come down to the final 3 games. If Hurts stumbles a little Allen has a shot if the Bills are the 1 seed and Allen throws 3-4 TDs a game.

 

All of a sudden Mahomes and Allen are tied in INTs. 

We’ll see where it goes after the Bills v Bengals.

 

 I get the sense people around the league and media are starting to believe the Bills aren’t as talented offensively as they thought. Allen is carrying this team. 

 

I don't think there is enough time for the narrative to switch tbh. He'd have to torch the Bengals on national TV to have a shot I think. Nobody is watching Bills - Bears or Bills - Patriots nationally.

[Matt_In_NH]

The turnovers are too high.  Hurts has to be the big favorite right now.  Allen needs to finish out really strong to have a chance.  One seed is required at this point.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think there is enough time for the narrative to switch tbh. He'd have to torch the Bengals on national TV to have a shot I think. Nobody is watching Bills - Bears or Bills - Patriots nationally.

That’s exactly the type of game that switches opinions. 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

That’s exactly the type of game that switches opinions. 

 

Yea but I don't think it is likely. He'd need to have a monster night. 

 

I think it will be Jalen Hurts personally. 

[ganesh]

23 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

 

 

 I get the sense people around the league and media are starting to believe the Bills aren’t as talented offensively as they thought. Allen is carrying this team. 

All the more reason for him to be the MVP.

[dollars 2 donuts]

 

 

Allen must be super pumped at the opportunity to play in another inclement weather game this weekend, as any QB would.

 

 

[dollars 2 donuts]

Just now, NUT said:

Remember what Beane said when he drafted Allen?

Was it “All QBs when they turn the corner to unbridled money and success that turn into career goals and ambitions love being stifled by the elements and then still compared to other QBs that play in almost constant ideal conditions.”?

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea but I don't think it is likely. He'd need to have a monster night. 

 

I think it will be Jalen Hurts personally. 

I think it’s actually Mahomes MVP to lose right now. And he can lose it if Allen beats Cincy with a good night and also wins 1 seed.

 

 I think Hurts also has a huge opportunity vs Dallas. Same situation.

1 hour ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

Allen must be super pumped at the opportunity to play in another inclement weather game this weekend, as any QB would.

 

 

Will the media make a huge deal

about the cold and wind in Chicago as they do in Buffalo? 

[CSBill]

A this point, it is Hurts' to lose.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

1 hour ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

Allen must be super pumped at the opportunity to play in another inclement weather game this weekend, as any QB would.

 

 

Mac n cheese definitely enjoys being able to hand the ball off in breezy conditions 🤔.

[AllenDaBomb]

I don't get the arguments that the MVP is Hurts' to lose...

 

Passing Yards/Total Yards:

 

Allen - 3857/4562

Hurts - 3472/4309

 

Touchdowns/ Total TDs:

 

Allen - 30/36

Hurts - 22/35

 

Completion %:

 

Allen - 63.7 (w/ 85 more passing attempts)

Hurts - 67.3

[Alphadawg7]

It’s without question Hurts to lose right now.  If they voted today, Hurts would finish first, Mahomes second, and Allen 3rd (even though I do not believe Mahomes should be 2nd over Allen, it is how it would play out today).
 

Now if Allen throttles Chicago and then throttles Cincy, he could, and probably would, move into 2nd.  Because he would have beaten Mahomes, then beaten Burrow who also has beaten Mahomes.

 

But to leap frog Hurts, it will at least take Hurts also losing, maybe to Dallas, and not playing well.

 

The problem…Dallas isn’t the better team and it’s weakness on defense is defending the run.  
 

I don’t think Allen can win the MVP without at least hurts having a down game and Eagles loss…and even then, Allen will still need to win out, have gaudy stats, and some big wow moments in order to catch Hurts.

[Watkins101]

3 minutes ago, AllenDaBomb said:

I don't get the arguments that the MVP is Hurts' to lose...

 

Passing Yards/Total Yards:

 

Allen - 3857/4562

Hurts - 3472/4309

 

Touchdowns/ Total TDs:

 

Allen - 30/36

Hurts - 22/35

 

Completion %:

 

Allen - 63.7 (w/ 85 more passing attempts)

Hurts - 67.3

Okay, Allen has more passing yards, but has a lower YPA (7.6 compared to 8.2) .

Allen may have 1 more total touchdown, but Hurts only had 5 turnovers on the season, 11 Less than Allen. Allen does have an edge in yards/rush attempt (6.5 to 4.8). 
 

IMO, the only reason Allen could win is if people think the roster difference between the eagles and bills is giant. I think the 11 more turnovers makes it very hard to vote for Allen. 

 

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

It’s without question Hurts to lose right now.  If they voted today, Hurts would finish first, Mahomes second, and Allen 3rd (even though I do not believe Mahomes should be 2nd over Allen, it is how it would play out today).
 

Now if Allen throttles Chicago and then throttles Cincy, he could, and probably would, move into 2nd.  Because he would have beaten Mahomes, then beaten Burrow who also has beaten Mahomes.

 

But to leap frog Hurts, it will at least take Hurts also losing, maybe to Dallas, and not playing well.

 

The problem…Dallas isn’t the better team and it’s weakness on defense is defending the run.  
 

I don’t think Allen can win the MVP without at least hurts having a down game and Eagles loss…and even then, Allen will still need to win out, have gaudy stats, and some big wow moments in order to catch Hurts.

 

Yea. Allen needs a monster day in a stand alone slot v Cincy to seal the #1 seed. And he probably needs a Philly loss and Hurts clunker as you say. 

[DapperCam]

14 minutes ago, AllenDaBomb said:

I don't get the arguments that the MVP is Hurts' to lose...

 

Passing Yards/Total Yards:

 

Allen - 3857/4562

Hurts - 3472/4309

 

Touchdowns/ Total TDs:

 

Allen - 30/36

Hurts - 22/35

 

Completion %:

 

Allen - 63.7 (w/ 85 more passing attempts)

Hurts - 67.3

Allen has way more turnovers. He would need to really pull away in yards and TDs, and have Hurts turn it over a few more times to really have a chance.

 

Even this past weekend Allen had 2 fumbles. The Bills ask him to play hero ball and turnovers happen. It is what it is.
 

Hurts has hardly had to play from behind all year. If a team gets up big on the Eagles then they will have to get out of their run heavy/play action format, and Hurts will get exposed. They are kind of like the Titans in that way. They have been down by 2 scores like twice all year and it was always really early in the game.

[BBills_88]

F*#K the Regular season MVP, He wants that Superbowl MVP.

[mykidsdad]

Josh Allen for MVP

• No QB can outrun corners like Josh Allen
• No QB can run over linebackers like Josh Allen
• No QB can stiff arm defensive linemen to the ground like Josh Allen
• No QB can hurdle defenders for first downs like Josh Allen
• No QB can move the pile like Josh Allen
• No QB can superman over the pile for a touchdown like Josh Allen
• No QB can throw a deep ball over the top like Josh Allen
• No QB can jump out of bounds and drop dimes while in mid air like Josh Allen
• No QB can toss lasers anywhere on the field at anytime from any body position like Josh Allen

And for those who might say, well my QB can do this better or that better, when you add it all up, no QB checks all of the above boxes like Josh Allen.

Josh Allen is more than elite.

 

Josh Allen is an alien cyborg sent from the future to punish the souls of his enemies.

 

Through 14 games Josh Allen has 3857 yard passing (5th), 30 passing touchdowns (2nd), 6 rushing touchdowns (3rd among QBs), 705 rushing yards (4th among QBs), and, for your MVP consideration:

 

Josh Allen has 4562 total yards and 36 total touchdowns on the AFC's number one team, the Buffalo Bills.

 

And no player means more to his football team or more to his community than Josh Allen. 

 

 

 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Mahomes, as great as his stats are, shouldn't win it over Allen if Allen and the Bills win out. It's not like Allen has pedestrian numbers. Allen's numbers this year are elite even if they are behind Mahome's totals, and not as efficient as Hurts passer rating. Allen's still 2nd or 3rd overall in the QBR efficiency metric.

 

How does it make sense if at the end of the season Mahomes and the Chiefs have the #2 seed and losses to Allen and Burrow that he would get the MVP nod over Allen and the Bills with the #1 seed and wins over Mahomes and Burrow?

 

It ALL comes down to the upcoming MNF Bengals game IMO. The national media has not been thinking about that game because they are reactionary and live in the moment. Which is fine. Make no mistake though, Allen and the Bills win that game and he is neck and neck with Mahomes. And Allen doesn't even need a monster 3+ TD no turnover game to do so. He just needs the win. A 2 TD 2 Turn Over game would be fine. If he can do better than that in a winning effort it would just help him all the more.

 

I can't give the MVP to a player who failed to get the #1 seed because they failed to have their best games when it mattered most against their top two competing teams and QB's. Literally makes no sense. Mahomes would have to be blowing Allen out of the water in terms of TD's and yards. IMO, his lead in those categories is not large enough to warrant winning the MVP having loss the #1 seed due to losses to the Bills and Bengals. Especially when the other guy goes 2-0 against the Chiefs and Bengals.

 

All that said, I am not predicting a Bills W against the Bengals unfortunately. And in that case, I think Mahomes does deserve it. But at that point, a case could be made for Burrow and of course, Hurts will definitely have a strong case.

[HappyDays]

The Most Valuable Player award should be renamed the QB of the Best Team in the NFL award. That's who it goes to every year. By the meaning of the award no chance Hurts should win. There's a much better case to be made for Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, even Lamar Jackson, Tyreek Hill, and AJ Brown to name a few others. But Hurts wins it by default unless he stumbles.

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, DapperCam said:

Allen has way more turnovers. He would need to really pull away in yards and TDs, and have Hurts turn it over a few more times to really have a chance.

 

It's stupid to penalize Allen and Mahomes for turnovers. The same style of play that allows them to carry undertalented offenses with below average running games also causes them to turn the ball over more than average. You can't have one without the other. Hurts has the best running game in the league and two #1 WRs and arguably the best OL in the league. He doesn't have to take chances. But I get it, the MVP voters don't think that hard about it.

[Buffalo Ballin]

Aim for Super Bowl MVP. Not regular season MVP.

[4thandGoal]

2 hours ago, AllenDaBomb said:

I don't get the arguments that the MVP is Hurts' to lose...

 

Passing Yards/Total Yards:

 

Allen - 3857/4562

Hurts - 3472/4309

 

Touchdowns/ Total TDs:

 

Allen - 30/36

Hurts - 22/35

 

Completion %:

 

Allen - 63.7 (w/ 85 more passing attempts)

Hurts - 67.3

You forgot to list turnovers and rushing yards. Having one loss as well doesnt hurt Hurts...  MVP is going to Hurts!

[H2o]

1 minute ago, 4thandGoal said:

You forgot to list turnovers and rushing yards. Having one loss as well doesnt hurt Hurts...  MVP is going to Hurts!

Hurts has taken over Lamar's spot as the new dual threat sports media darling. 

[DapperCam]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

It's stupid to penalize Allen and Mahomes for turnovers. The same style of play that allows them to carry undertalented offenses with below average running games also causes them to turn the ball over more than average. You can't have one without the other. Hurts has the best running game in the league and two #1 WRs and arguably the best OL in the league. He doesn't have to take chances. But I get it, the MVP voters don't think that hard about it.

You are preaching to the choir here. There is a reason that Allen and Mahomes have the same number of INTs. It’s because they have a lot more attempts and have to carry their teams on their back. Hurts does deep sideline routes, play action crosses to AJ Brown, and everything else is underneath. He makes very low risk throws.

 

Not to mention Hurts has over 100 less attempts than Mahomes. Eagles shelter him, and it works. But he isn’t the actual most valuable player to their team.

[AllenDaBomb]

7 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

You are preaching to the choir here. There is a reason that Allen and Mahomes have the same number of INTs. It’s because they have a lot more attempts and have to carry their teams on their back. Hurts does deep sideline routes, play action crosses to AJ Brown, and everything else is underneath. He makes very low risk throws.

 

Not to mention Hurts has over 100 less attempts than Mahomes. Eagles shelter him, and it works. But he isn’t the actual most valuable player to their team.

 Yup, stats alone are just numbers without proper context!

[QCity]

 

Patrick Mahomes -350

Josh Allen +550

Joe Burrow +550

Jalen Hurts +700

 

Just like that Mahomes is now the leader.

Edited December 19, 2022 by QCity

[mykidsdad]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

Aim for Super Bowl MVP. Not regular season MVP.

I want it all.

36 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

Patrick Mahomes -200

Jalen Hurts +300

Josh Allen +600

Joe Burrow +600

 

Just like that Mahomes is now the leader.

With Hurts hurt, if Josh wins out, I think it is his reward to lose.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 hour ago, 4thandGoal said:

You forgot to list turnovers and rushing yards. Having one loss as well doesnt hurt Hurts...  MVP is going to Hurts!

Not so fast!

 

If he misses a couple games, he could lose out on it.

 

[finn]

2 hours ago, mykidsdad said:

Josh Allen for MVP

• No QB can outrun corners like Josh Allen
• No QB can run over linebackers like Josh Allen
• No QB can stiff arm defensive linemen to the ground like Josh Allen
• No QB can hurdle defenders for first downs like Josh Allen
• No QB can move the pile like Josh Allen
• No QB can superman over the pile for a touchdown like Josh Allen
• No QB can throw a deep ball over the top like Josh Allen
• No QB can jump out of bounds and drop dimes while in mid air like Josh Allen
• No QB can toss lasers anywhere on the field at anytime from any body position like Josh Allen

And for those who might say, well my QB can do this better or that better, when you add it all up, no QB checks all of the above boxes like Josh Allen.

Josh Allen is more than elite.

 

Josh Allen is an alien cyborg sent from the future to punish the souls of his enemies.

 

Through 14 games Josh Allen has 3857 yard passing (5th), 30 passing touchdowns (2nd), 6 rushing touchdowns (3rd among QBs), 705 rushing yards (4th among QBs), and, for your MVP consideration:

 

Josh Allen has 4562 total yards and 36 total touchdowns on the AFC's number one team, the Buffalo Bills.

 

And no player means more to his football team or more to his community than Josh Allen. 

 

 

 

Ironically, the most persuasive argument for Allen as MVP is the media's (and fans') early-season gushing over the "elite weapons" Allen has. Only now are a (very) few commentators beginning to realize that, aside from Diggs, Morse and Dawkins, the players around Allen are average at best. Reminds me of OJ Simpson being the entire Bills offense back in the day. 

[Buffalo Ballin]

It's time for the NFL to introduce new awards. I'm tired of seeing QBs get MVP. Let's split it up. The Oscars do it that way.

 

"The Most Valuable Player for QBs goes to...."

"The Most Valuable Player for RBs goes to....."

"The Most Valuable Player for WRs goes to...."

 

And so on. It's time for the MVP to be in categories. NFL and the fans all win in this.

Edited December 20, 2022 by Buffalo Ballin

[transplantbillsfan]

13 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Josh isn't winning MVP. It is Hurts or Mahomes. 

 

Probably.

 

But that doesn't mean they should.

 

The actual thought process when all statistics are relatively similar among the candidates (as they are right now... and Josh may close that gap more) is how much of a drop there would be for the team if that player were taken away.

 

If that's the benchmark, Josh wins.

[transplantbillsfan]

13 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think there is enough time for the narrative to switch tbh. He'd have to torch the Bengals on national TV to have a shot I think. Nobody is watching Bills - Bears or Bills - Patriots nationally.

 

Ummm... it's not Joe Schmoe who votes for MVP. It's guys who pay attention across the league, like Peter King, who is one of the voters. Here's what he just said in MMQB:

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/12/19/chandler-jones-raiders-immaculate-reception-peter-king-fmia-week-15/

This is by far the toughest week I’ve had in the divining of the MVP. The top three could be in any order, and number four could be number one by season’s end. My list:

 

Jalen Hurts, QB, Philadelphia (13-1). Takes what the D gives him, and on Sunday in Chicago, the D gave him the run. Hurts ran for three scores, and the Eagles, two games clear of the NFL field this morning, won by five.

 

Patrick Mahomes, QB, Kansas City (11-3). Four more TD throws and 477 more passing yards than anyone in the game, and his 87.8-percent completion rate Sunday is the best in history for a passer with more than 40 attempts in a game. “If he’s not the MVP, I don’t know who is,” Andy Reid told me. “He took a whole new group of [receivers] and got them ready to win. Think about it. Who are we going to in the passing game? [Travis] Kelce. Now [Mecole] Hardman’s hurt. Then who? They’re all new. Patrick worked all off-season to get those guys ready and look at the results.”

 

Josh Allen, QB, Buffalo (11-3). Played a masterful game Saturday night, coming back from eight points down in the fourth quarter as Buffalo basically ended the race in the AFC East by beating Miami. Allen has a great sense of when to hang in the pocket and when to scramble.

[GunnerBill]

13 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Ummm... it's not Joe Schmoe who votes for MVP. It's guys who pay attention across the league, like Peter King, who is one of the voters. Here's what he just said in MMQB:

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/12/19/chandler-jones-raiders-immaculate-reception-peter-king-fmia-week-15/

This is by far the toughest week I’ve had in the divining of the MVP. The top three could be in any order, and number four could be number one by season’s end. My list:

 

Jalen Hurts, QB, Philadelphia (13-1). Takes what the D gives him, and on Sunday in Chicago, the D gave him the run. Hurts ran for three scores, and the Eagles, two games clear of the NFL field this morning, won by five.

 

Patrick Mahomes, QB, Kansas City (11-3). Four more TD throws and 477 more passing yards than anyone in the game, and his 87.8-percent completion rate Sunday is the best in history for a passer with more than 40 attempts in a game. “If he’s not the MVP, I don’t know who is,” Andy Reid told me. “He took a whole new group of [receivers] and got them ready to win. Think about it. Who are we going to in the passing game? [Travis] Kelce. Now [Mecole] Hardman’s hurt. Then who? They’re all new. Patrick worked all off-season to get those guys ready and look at the results.”

 

Josh Allen, QB, Buffalo (11-3). Played a masterful game Saturday night, coming back from eight points down in the fourth quarter as Buffalo basically ended the race in the AFC East by beating Miami. Allen has a great sense of when to hang in the pocket and when to scramble.

 

I know what Peter King thinks and he isn't wrong. But even among national writers the narrative matters.

[Southern_Bills]

If Allen has 3 more like he had Saturday night he has a chance. Honestly I don't think he will get it though. 

 

I want him to get one but super bowl is way more important. 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

 

 Name another QB in the MVP race that has already played 10 games against teams that are currently .500 or better and have went 7-3 in those games. The 3 losses obviously by a total of 8 points.

 

  He's the best player in football, playing on an offense that has no real identity and has very average players outside of Diggs. He has passed or rushed for 36 out of the 42 TDs(85.7%) the offense has scored this year and has 4,562 total yards out of the offenses 5,608(81.3%).

 

 

[ganesh]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

It's time for the NFL to introduce new awards. I'm tired of seeing QBs get MVP. Let's split it up. The Oscars do it that way.

 

"The Most Valuable Player for QBs goes to...."

"The Most Valuable Player for RBs goes to....."

"The Most Valuable Player for WRs goes to...."

 

And so on. It's time for the MVP to be in categories. NFL and the fans all win in this.

Oscar also gives an award for the Best Picture ....and that comes from best acting, best direction, best screen play,  best editing, best sound track etc. 

[Buffalo Ballin]

12 minutes ago, ganesh said:

Oscar also gives an award for the Best Picture ....and that comes from best acting, best direction, best screen play,  best editing, best sound track etc. 

That's where the Super Bowl title comes in. And Super Bowl MVP.

[John from Riverside]

4 hours ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

Aim for Super Bowl MVP. Not regular season MVP.

I am sure that that is all that Josh Allen cares about that being said, is there really another dominant team like ours that relies so much on their QB like we do people might argue Mahomes but it’s definitely between those two