Matt Araiza accused of rape, served with a lawsuit.

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, RiotAct said:

different scenarios.  Those players ostensibly are going to be cut because they’re not quite good enough.

 

  IF Araiza is innocent, and he’s cut / blacklisted over something he didn’t do… it’s a scenario where a player who likely had a somewhat long NFL career ahead of him got it pulled out from under his feet.

If he's cut and innocent, he'll be free to sign with anyone he chooses - including us.

[Arkady Renko]

9 minutes ago, Mattymafia said:

Plus its unlikely he'd get another job. If the Bills knew about this for a month, like it is implied, they definitely know way more than anyone on this board or on twitter. This organization has done the right thing since these guys took over. They let Mccoy and Dodsons situations play out before they made their decisions on their futures, both were proven wrong. I would not be surprised or upset if they put Araiza on an exempt list until everything came out.

Was Dodson exonerated? I didn’t hear that. 

[Mattymafia]

4 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

That’s girls lawyer is not doing her any favors. Dudes still tweeting.. He wreaks of desperation for his pay check on this. Tagging the police department and Araiza in his posts.. I have never seen a lawyer act that way. There’s winning the public which he already did before the twitter rants.. Now he’s just being childish about it 

He also has a whole page on Ripoff Report. Honestly, if she had a lawyer that just kept quiet and processed this lawsuit, it would be a lot better. This guy really is not helping with the accusation that he's trying to perform a money grab. 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said:

Who is claiming this? 

 

Araiza's lawyer, although if true, it's not clear that the NFL informed the teams.

 

 

So far I would suggest checking Tim Graham and John Wawrow twitter feed for the most effective and thorough "Bills Beat" coverage, and Times of San Diego for the most effective newspaper coverage - they seem to be providing primary source links to the actual text of the lawsuit, actual text of the university statements, etc.

 

 

[aceman_16]

Just now, ExiledInIllinois said:

She still don't deserve an answer. 

Lol nor does ANYONE posting in this thread...odd anger placement

[aristocrat]

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

If he's cut and innocent, he'll be free to sign with anyone he chooses - including us.

 

We can also have him place on the exempt list until this whole thing gets sorted out and cut him after that. 

[Mattymafia]

1 minute ago, Arkady Renko said:

Was Dodson exonerated? I didn’t hear that. 

Honestly, I do not remember. Nothing really came of it though

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 minute ago, aceman_16 said:

Lol nor does ANYONE posting in this thread...odd anger placement

Yup!  We're just shooting the *****...

[Rc2catch]

1 minute ago, Mattymafia said:

He also has a whole page on Ripoff Report. Honestly, if she had a lawyer that just kept quiet and processed this lawsuit, it would be a lot better. This guy really is not helping with the accusation that he's trying to perform a money grab. 

100% he’s made the case about him now and he’s loving the attention he’s getting. When this thread started his client was gonna get maximum value that they asked for. Each tweet is probably losing her money and killing all the leverage he had. 

[CaliBills]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

Araiza's lawyer, although if true, it's not clear that the NFL informed the teams.

 

 

So far I would suggest checking Tim Graham and John Wawrow twitter feed for the most effective and thorough "Bills Beat" coverage, and Times of San Diego for the most effective newspaper coverage - they seem to be providing primary source links to the actual text of the lawsuit, actual text of the university statements, etc.

 

 

I personally do not believe that lawyer for a second.  

Neither the victim's lawyer.  

 

They both reek of rotten fish from being a shark in the water.

[dje85]

2 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

I'm surprised this hasn't been shared yet.

The alleged rape victim's lawyer just released her diary from that day. I have no idea why he would do that.

 

It's a horrific scenario, but she also admits to being face down and not knowing who was there at the time...

 

 

A lot of the claims from her lawyer are contradicted in that journal. That was stupid of that lawyer.  If anything this may hurt their case in regards to Araiza. 

[Mango]

4 minutes ago, Southern_Bills said:

 

I agree, and sadly the way they handle these things, and it seems to be status quo for sports programs, if the accused is innocent it actually hurts him.

 

I'm not claiming anyone is innocent or guilty, I'm just saying the suppression of the truth which happens in these events does a wrongly accused man just as few favors as anyone else.

 

I agree. I think at the very best Araiza is a dirt bag and I don't want him on the roster. Even if he wasn't in that room, and he brought her up their not knowing anybody else would sleep with her. He still had sex with a girl who was so drunk she couldn't actually consent and he knew it by bringing her someplace to sleep it off after the fact.

I had another post above this where I thought the police's attempts to protect SDSU are the biggest reason we are in this predicament and you summarized that perfectly. 

[appoo]

Just now, dje85 said:

A lot of the claims from her lawyer are contradicted in that journal. That was stupid of that lawyer.  If anything this may hurt their case in regards to Araiza. 

huh? what claims were negated? 

[Mattymafia]

Just now, CaliBills said:

I personally do not believe that lawyer for a second.  

Neither the victim's lawyer.  

 

They both reek of rotten fish from being a shark in the water.

They also seem to have personal vendettas against one another. 

[hemma]

  If the DA does decide to proceed with charges, jury selection would seem to be difficult with nonstop lawyer/media coverage.

[djp14150]

5 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

That’s girls lawyer is not doing her any favors. Dudes still tweeting.. He wreaks of desperation for his pay check on this. Tagging the police department and Araiza in his posts.. I have never seen a lawyer act that way. There’s winning the public which he already did before the twitter rants.. Now he’s just being childish about it 

It smells of

 

(1) no case for criminal charges on rape/ sex assault 

(2) even sued in civil court and found guilty he can file bankruptcy and it doesn't get paid. He said/ sghe said cases are weak.  As a juror I would never convict of all the evidence was she said so given she was drunk and facial recognition is very weak.

 

that leaves only the PR route to get a settlement. They release a recording obtained illegally to try and get a pay out.

 

[cle23]

Just now, Rc2catch said:

100% he’s made the case about him now and he’s loving the attention he’s getting. When this thread started his client was gonna get maximum value that they asked for. Each tweet is probably losing her money and killing all the leverage he had. 

 

Her lawyer is trying to pressure the local PD to do something, same as the Watson situation.  Araiza has nowhere near the capital that Watson has, even before the contract, so looking at it as a money grab is much less likely, plus, she claimed to not know him when she went for the rape kit.  

 

The local PD and university sat on this for 7 months without even investigating it.  Forcible gang rape is much worse than anything Watson was accused of (not that what is was accused of is ok), but it's amazing how many people have changed their tune when it happens closer to home.

[appoo]

2 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Yup!  We're just shooting the *****...

Not entirely - I've been a Bills fan since like the 1980s when was old enough to become aware of fandom.  

 

We're stakeholders in this organization, and at least a little bit of our identity if woven into Bills Organization....and I want them to do the right thing

[UKBillFan]

3 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

 

The civil suit is to push the DA to make a decision on charges. There seems to be zero people involved who say that a rape did not happen. The girl was 100% raped. The police have 100% stalled efforts to protect SDSU football. 

Whether Araiza is involved in being in the room is currently debatable. 

If the police had not stalled, I don't think that the Bills are dealing with Araiza in a civil suit at the moment. That has nothing to do with his guilt or innocence.

Not sure as rape cases tend to take ten months to review, so the length of time is not unusual. Mind you, I did say last night that for what seemed an “open and shut” case it did seem a long time. Even Araiza’s attorney isn’t denying a rape took place - just that Araiza wasn’t involved.

 

I presume you mean, if the police hadn’t stalled, everything would be sorted now either way.

[Beck Water]

1 minute ago, Arkady Renko said:

Was Dodson exonerated? I didn’t hear that. 

 

Dodson was initially charged with 3 misdemeanor counts - domestic violence, disorderly conduct, and damage to property.

He pled guilty to one misdemeanor count of disorderly conduct and agreed to enter a diversion program that on completion, expunged the other charges.

 

https://www.tmz.com/2019/05/30/tyrel-dodson-domestic-violence-buffalo-bills-nfl/

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/nfl-suspends-bills-tyrel-dodson-games-domestic-abuse-65593699

 

I don't know what "exonerated" means, but he was neither found guilty nor pled guilty to domestic violence - which, contrary to some of the weird stuff stated in this thread, is not the same as being exonerated or found innocent.

 

The Bills stated they conducted their own investigation and were satisfied it was not domestic violence.

 

[MasterStrategist]

7 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

Right. But you get the point. The current steps from the girl and the family certainly fit well within the timeline of a legitimate rape being stalled by a mid major football program and NFL team. Also it would be well worth the arrest for disorderly conduct, harassments etc. 

 

My daughter tells me a guy being called a "god" by national pundits on TV raped my daughter. All bets are off and I am not concerned with "disorderly conduct" or "harassments" charges.

Settle down turbo....you are acting as if "you know 100% that Matt Araiza" did rape her/that her accusations are true.

 

People are trying to politely tell you, let more information come forth. Not saying to disregard the accusation, but also it's just as bad to play judge/jury without having the information from all parties (this is a major societal problem as well).  

 

It's not the Bills problem that people want to "judge" and jump to conclusions so soon (not even 24 hours since this news really broke).  Yes its a business decision by the team, but nobody should be pushing any resolution until more info is released/ppl in the know have all details

 

 

[John from Riverside]

7 minutes ago, Mattymafia said:

He also has a whole page on Ripoff Report. Honestly, if she had a lawyer that just kept quiet and processed this lawsuit, it would be a lot better. This guy really is not helping with the accusation that he's trying to perform a money grab. 

I mean he’s coming across as an ambulance chaser when that young girl needs a real lawyer

[muppy]

14 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

That’s girls lawyer is not doing her any favors. Dudes still tweeting.. He wreaks of desperation for his pay check on this. Tagging the police department and Araiza in his posts.. I have never seen a lawyer act that way. There’s winning the public which he already did before the twitter rants.. Now he’s just being childish about it 

pandering to emotional responses from Joe Q public, airing his case on twitter?. Its not a good look if you want to be considered credible. To me this guy seems either not very bright or not very Professional to say the least.  The court of public opinion is in session. It could well backfire on her. That's sad. I want the truth and justice to be done and that isnt the way to do it  imho

Edited August 26, 2022 by muppy

[aristocrat]

8 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

 

The civil suit is to push the DA to make a decision on charges. There seems to be zero people involved who say that a rape did not happen. The girl was 100% raped. The police have 100% stalled efforts to protect SDSU football. 

Whether Araiza is involved in being in the room is currently debatable. 

If the police had not stalled, I don't think that the Bills are dealing with Araiza in a civil suit at the moment. That has nothing to do with his guilt or innocence.

 

Rape kits take a long time to come back. Some states have kits tht have sat for over a year. So her kit may have just come back weeks ago. 

[aceman_16]

2 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I agree. I think at the very best Araiza is a dirt bag and I don't want him on the roster. Even if he wasn't in that room, and he brought her up their not knowing anybody else would sleep with her. He still had sex with a girl who was so drunk she couldn't actually consent and he knew it by bringing her someplace to sleep it off after the fact.

I had another post above this where I thought the police's attempts to protect SDSU are the biggest reason we are in this predicament and you summarized that perfectly. 

I sorry you feel this way. Your posts in this thread read as if you have some axe to grind or some sort of agenda. It may be good for some of us to just put access to this subject away for a day and see how the thoughts to social media changes. Good luck and stay healthy.

[YoloinOhio]

9 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

 

The civil suit is to push the DA to make a decision on charges. There seems to be zero people involved who say that a rape did not happen. The girl was 100% raped. The police have 100% stalled efforts to protect SDSU football. 

Whether Araiza is involved in being in the room is currently debatable. 

If the police had not stalled, I don't think that the Bills are dealing with Araiza in a civil suit at the moment. That has nothing to do with his guilt or innocence.

Can you link to this or where did you read it? Seems weird that they (or anyone) would care about SDSU football. Not trying to be snarky. Just wondering where this is written so I can read the context. 

Edited August 26, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[dje85]

5 minutes ago, appoo said:

huh? what claims were negated? 

"According to the lawsuit, the teen told Araiza she was a high school student and, even though he could see she was highly intoxicated, he told her to perform oral sex, then had sex with her. Then Araiza took her to a bedroom where Leonard, Ewaliko and at least one other man were, the complaint alleged, and threw her down on the bed face first. The lawsuit said she was raped for an hour and a half until the party was shut down." - From LA Times Article

 

In that journal she says she doesn;t remember what happened after flirting. She doesn;t know how many guys were in there or who. She says she was thrown face down on the bed essentially claiming she couldn;t id anyone. 

 

I'm not saying she is lying or otherwise but any competent defense lawyer could use this and create a million ways to use this as defense for Araiza in regards to the civil lawsuit. 

Edited August 26, 2022 by dje85

[Rc2catch]

1 minute ago, cle23 said:

 

Her lawyer is trying to pressure the local PD to do something, same as the Watson situation.  Araiza has nowhere near the capital that Watson has, even before the contract, so looking at it as a money grab is much less likely, plus, she claimed to not know him when she went for the rape kit.  

 

The local PD and university sat on this for 7 months without even investigating it.  Forcible gang rape is much worse than anything Watson was accused of (not that what is was accused of is ok), but it's amazing how many people have changed their tune when it happens closer to home.

I understand the police part, he had all the pressure he needed last night when the story broke (her lawyer) he didn’t need all this extra twitter stuff. He is working for HIS pay day is the money grab imo. Not blaming the kid, her lawyer is the one who looks desperate for money here. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-punish-matt-araiza-alleged-050203348.html
 

 

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Because the alleged rape happened before Araiza was drafted, he would not be subject to the league's personal conduct policy," ESPN reported.

 

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, Rc2catch said:

I understand the police part, he had all the pressure he needed last night when the story broke (her lawyer) he didn’t need all this extra twitter stuff. He is working for HIS pay day is the money grab imo. Not blaming the kid, her lawyer is the one who looks desperate for money here. 

He’s specifically singling out araiza only as well… when he’s not the only one named 

[hondo in seattle]

Just now, Rc2catch said:

100% he’s made the case about him now and he’s loving the attention he’s getting. When this thread started his client was gonna get maximum value that they asked for. Each tweet is probably losing her money and killing all the leverage he had. 

 

The accuser's lawyer, AP Gilleon, only had leverage before the suit went public.   He tried to negotiate a deal with Araiza's lawyer, Kerry Armstrong, but was forcefully rebuffed.  So Gilleon will now try to win his paycheck in a civil suit.  

 

Armstrong says he hired an investigator who found the accusations to be untrue.  He also says that Araiza did not want to make a financial deal.  Armstrong calls the whole thing a "cash grab."  

 

I personally reserve judgment.

 

 

[1ManRaid]

12 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Is it authenticated?  Is this even permissible in court?

 

As far as I know, a journal written after the fact is no better than a standard written statement.  They're often used to make someone seem more genuine and relatable, but all it really is is just a personal statement made off the record.  It is not evidence like he's trying to make it seem.

[AuntieEm]

6 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

Right. But you get the point. The current steps from the girl and the family certainly fit well within the timeline of a legitimate rape being stalled by a mid major football program and NFL team. Also it would be well worth the arrest for disorderly conduct, harassments etc. 

 

My daughter tells me a guy being called a "god" by national pundits on TV raped my daughter. All bets are off and I am not concerned with "disorderly conduct" or "harassments" charges.

 

 And I can certainly understand a family wanting justice but why are they so worried about protecting their civilsuit filing deadlines.  If the concern is for the daughter being raped putting out info for a civil suit isn't a good look to convince people they don't have some ulterior motives in this accusation.  

 

Anyone can make any accusation they can dream up it doesn't make it true just by making the accusation.  It has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt for a criminal conviction.  Even the way the lawyers are putting out info on social media it plays more as an attempt to extort money not one concerned with actual justice for a heinous crime if the accusation  is true.  

 

   At this point it gets to feel like these issues that pop up on social media are just planned and staged events to rile up a select demographic for some ulterior motives that will become clear but only when it's too late to stop and reset.

[Alphadawg7]

6 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

 

This is the court of public opinion.  While it is true you can sue for anything it is also true that it is not typical for a 17 year old to go to the police and claim she was gang raped when it did not happen.  People can make judgements about what is reported....look a the DW thing, Browns fans turning in their fan cards, he has not been charged with a crime.   The girl was 17, she went to a party and was in and out of consciousness while a bunch of animals take turns with her...that crap is just crazy.  But I also understand it is common.  There is a huge market for drugs that put girls in this state.  Girls have to make sure they watch they drink at all times, and have a cover on it.  This stuff happens at all colleges.  She goes to the police and they make phone calls with Matt.  Why would he tell her she needs to be worried about chlamydia?  She was 17 and this happened in California....there are no Romeo and Juliet laws.  One way or another he did the wrong thing here....and it sure seems more than statutory.   First telling her to get tested then saying I dont remember anything...yeah right.  How stupid is he for even having that phone conversation?  

Again, you’re assuming he was involved in the sexual assault. You are completely over looking the possibility they had a consensual encounter prior and separately from the assault by the other individuals later in the night.  
 

 

[UKBillFan]

9 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I agree. I think at the very best Araiza is a dirt bag and I don't want him on the roster. Even if he wasn't in that room, and he brought her up their not knowing anybody else would sleep with her. He still had sex with a girl who was so drunk she couldn't actually consent and he knew it by bringing her someplace to sleep it off after the fact.

I had another post above this where I thought the police's attempts to protect SDSU are the biggest reason we are in this predicament and you summarized that perfectly. 

The consent question is alleged by the prosecution, and countered by the defence. It has not been proven.

[Mattymafia]

3 minutes ago, dje85 said:

"According to the lawsuit, the teen told Araiza she was a high school student and, even though he could see she was highly intoxicated, he told her to perform oral sex, then had sex with her. Then Araiza took her to a bedroom where Leonard, Ewaliko and at least one other man were, the complaint alleged, and threw her down on the bed face first. The lawsuit said she was raped for an hour and a half until the party was shut down." - From LA Times Article

 

In that journal she says she doesn;t remember what happened after flirting. She doesn;t know how many guys were in there or who. She says she was thrown face down on the bed essentially claiming she couldn;t id anyone. 

 

I'm not saying she is lying or otherwise but any competent defense lawyer could use this and create a million ways to use this as defense for Araiza in regards to the civil lawsuit. 

Also the journal just says the school name, not high school

[djp14150]

6 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Dodson was initially charged with 3 misdemeanor counts - domestic violence, disorderly conduct, and damage to property.

He pled guilty to one misdemeanor count of disorderly conduct and agreed to enter a diversion program that on completion, expunged the other charges.

 

https://www.tmz.com/2019/05/30/tyrel-dodson-domestic-violence-buffalo-bills-nfl/

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/nfl-suspends-bills-tyrel-dodson-games-domestic-abuse-65593699

 

I don't know what "exonerated" means, but he was neither found guilty nor pled guilty to domestic violence - which, contrary to some of the weird stuff stated in this thread, is not the same as being exonerated or found innocent.

 

The Bills stated they conducted their own investigation and were satisfied it was not domestic violence.

 

Exonerated meaning absolved from blame 

[dje85]

2 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-punish-matt-araiza-alleged-050203348.html
 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Because the alleged rape happened before Araiza was drafted, he would not be subject to the league's personal conduct policy," ESPN reported.

This could be why the Bills aren't just canning him like many want them to as well. 

If he isn;t subject tot he leagues personal policy conduct and then was cut just because of this the Bills and NFL could have a major lawsuit on their hands in regards from Araiza imo.

[aceman_16]

1 minute ago, Mattymafia said:

Also the journal just says the school name, not high school

Which is BOTH a college and a high school there

[ColoradoBills]

I haven't read much of this thread since last night but I did see this on the Channel 8 TV site.

Not sure if it has been posted.  Seems the police have a lot of stuff that they went through.