Deshaun Watson to be suspended 11 games via settlement

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, Bruffalo said:

Again, the fact that he had sex with a bunch of women isn't the problem.  There's no cultural enlightenment to be had here. 

I know that, but go travel to some far off places and you will know precisely what I’m talking about. 

[The Wiz]

4 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I’m done talking about it because it is useless to do so, but the more you travel you see some very out there stuff that makes America seem conservative by nature. By our standards Watson should absolutely be punished, pretty sure we are all in agreement there. My only point was to discuss at how different places perceive these things. 

That's perfectly fine that different places perceive things differently.  You probably could have made your case a little better is all instead of comparing it to how some things are acceptable in other countries that we are "conservative" against.  

Edited August 18, 2022 by The Wiz

[Simon]

Just now, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

What does this threat mean?

 

It means the same thing as when you were told to stop trashing a particular thread last season, refused to do so and got suspended for it.

 

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, The Wiz said:

That's perfectly fine that different places perceive things differently.  You probably could have made your case a little better is all instead of comparing it to how some things are acceptable in other countries that we are "conservative" against.  

I’m truly sorry, my intentions were not to belittle this topic but only to view things from other lenses. 

[WotAGuy]

Just now, Simon said:

 

It means the same thing as when you were told to stop trashing a particular thread last season, refused to do so and got suspended for it.

 

If you traveled to some far off places, you’d see that’s not how they handle things. 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

1 hour ago, Greg S said:

 

This potential Josh vs Josh competition would be like racing a Porsche against a bicycle.

A bicycle that has no passion for being a bicycle

[Warcodered]

3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I know that, but go travel to some far off places and you will know precisely what I’m talking about. 

Consent is the issue, and if you're saying those places don't care about that then I don't see why we'd care to emulate that.

Edited August 18, 2022 by Warcodered

[BillsfaninSB]

The Browns could have picked Malik Willis in the 3rd round, trade Baker and get Brissett or jimmy G as a bridge and avoided all of this. 

[Simon]

2 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I know that, but go travel to some far off places and you will know precisely what I’m talking about. 

 

Remember when I suggested you not keep it up?

And then you said "I'm done talking about it"

And then you kept right on going?

 

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

Consent is the damn issue, and if you're saying those places don't care about that then I don't see why we'd care to emulate that.

Soft consent vs hard consent is real. Or at least it was for the places I’ve been. I couldn’t believe how some things were so casual and I had to do double takes at times. 

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

Remember when I suggested you not keep it up?

And then you said "I'm done talking about it"

And then you kept right on going?

 

Ok I’m done, I’ve said what I’ve said. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

12 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

and even if he was… it would still be wrong.

I don' t disagree but poster wasn't trying to make a societal difference "defense".

[Jauronimo]

4 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I’m done talking about it because it is useless to do so, but the more you travel you see some very out there stuff that makes America seem conservative by nature. By our standards Watson should absolutely be punished, pretty sure we are all in agreement there. My only point was to discuss at how different places perceive these things. 

I appreciate the assumption that I have not been anywhere, but actually I have spent a decent amount of time abroad and much of my friend group are international.  The fact that in some areas of the world, marginalized women are subject to sexual assault and have such little recourse to the point that its "accepted" is not much of a point.  

[WotAGuy]

4 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Soft consent vs hard consent is real. Or at least it was for the places I’ve been. I couldn’t believe how some things were so casual and I had to do double takes at times. 

This is an excerpt from an old Penthouse Forum isn’t it?

Edited August 18, 2022 by WotAGuy

[RoyBatty is alive]

6 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I know that, but go travel to some far off places and you will know precisely what I’m talking about. 

we get it already, let it go

[Bruffalo]

2 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I know that, but go travel to some far off places and you will know precisely what I’m talking about. 

I'm trying to boil down exactly what you're saying here, because it doesn't make sense.

 

You're talking about sex clubs and brothels, which can and are protected, licensed, etc... in much of the world.  Even if you frequent a place like that, there are still consent rules.  You can't just do whatever you want without a sex worker's consent.

 

Now if you're saying that there are sex trafficked people who lack the ability to consent, yes that's true and equally abhorrent to what Deshaun Watson did, from an objective standpoint.  There's no amount of cultural equivalency argument that changes that.  

[Warcodered]

3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Soft consent vs hard consent is real. Or at least it was for the places I’ve been. I couldn’t believe how some things were so casual and I had to do double takes at times. 

Ok I’m done, I’ve said what I’ve said. 

 

Dennis is not a good person.

 

 

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

So if Brissett gets injured before week 11 we could get Josh vs. Josh?

Knowing the browns they’ll sign Johnny Manziel.

[RoyBatty is alive]

9 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

What does this threat mean?

You cant get it? Seriously?  

 

You should be hired by the Browns PR department.

[Bruffalo]

4 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Soft consent vs hard consent is real. Or at least it was for the places I’ve been. I couldn’t believe how some things were so casual and I had to do double takes at times. 

"Women didn't feel empowered enough to stop men from sexually assaulting them in a lot of places I've been, America could learn a thing or two." 

[RoyBatty is alive]

I put the over/under life span on this thread at 15 minutes.

[JDubya76]

3 hours ago, ddaryl said:

I think he shold be forced to give massages during his suspension...  You know somebody will want a happy ending

To prison inmates that over-exerted themselves in the yard. Bubba is going to love Demolester’s soft supple never worked a day in his life hands.

[Donuts and Doritos]

5 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Soft consent vs hard consent is real. Or at least it was for the places I’ve been. I couldn’t believe how some things were so casual and I had to do double takes at times.  

Sounds like a Harvey Weinstein quote.

[FilthyBeast]

Hot garbage but at the end of the day the NFL wants to move on and knows that if they would have given a season long + ban that Watson would have appealed and been able to play and be on the field week one which they didn't want at all costs.

 

Karma will eventually come around for Watson and the Browns and they are pretty much guaranteed to go no where this year anyway and will probably be sitting with 3 or 4 wins if they are lucky by the time Watson comes back.

[TBBills]

3 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

 

Dennis is not a good person.

 

 

The D. E. N. N. I. S. System.

[RiotAct]

1 minute ago, JDubya76 said:

To prison inmates that over-exerted themselves in the yard. Bubba is going to love Demolester’s soft supple never worked a day in his life hands.

 

 

[JDubya76]

Just now, RiotAct said:

 

 

I had that exact clip in my head when I posted. lol, great minds…

[Draconator]

3 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

Sounds like a Harvey Weinstein quote.

I'm good friends with Eddie Tice, of Harvey, Corky and Tice fame (high profile concert promoters from the 70's and 80's). 

 

Eddie always introduces himself by saying, "I'm the only one who didn't go to jail".

[corta765]

9 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

I put the over/under life span on this thread at 15 minutes.

The fact it has made it this long AND the conversation has been civil is rather remarkable

[corta765]

8 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Hot garbage but at the end of the day the NFL wants to move on and knows that if they would have given a season long + ban that Watson would have appealed and been able to play and be on the field week one which they didn't want at all costs.

 

Karma will eventually come around for Watson and the Browns and they are pretty much guaranteed to go no where this year anyway and will probably be sitting with 3 or 4 wins if they are lucky by the time Watson comes back.

 

I would add the last thing the league wanted was the Watson story dragging into the season as a distraction of the regular season. They got a long enough suspension and large enough fine enough people will probably let it go when he returns. The only way at this point I can see this imploding again is if the Browns make the playoffs. IF that were to happen god knows how bad it will be for as long as they play.

[TBBills]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

This part doesn't even matter TBH... you would have to be an idiot to not pass this. Not like it's a drug test, much easier to lie your way through. 

Edited August 18, 2022 by TBBills

[RoyBatty is alive]

Just now, TBBills said:

This part doesn't even matter TBH... you would have to be an idiot to not pass this.

1) Watson aint not mensa candidate, if he could control himself this never would have happened.

2) Maybe the NFL/Browns change there mind(s) and claim he didnt adhere to the treatment.  Then we are open for an entire new round of legal non-sense/drama.

[Simon]

Just now, RoyBatty is alive said:

Maybe the NFL/Browns change there mind(s) and claim he didnt adhere to the treatment

 

An interesting way to wriggle out of that contract?

[TBBills]

2 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

1) Watson aint not mensa candidate, if he could control himself this never would have happened.

2) Maybe the NFL/Browns change there mind(s) and claim he didnt adhere to the treatment.  Then we are open for an entire new round of legal non-sense/drama.

Yea like that would happen. This has been swept under an 11 game suspension and the other stuff is just filler for the sake making it look better.

[WotAGuy]

7 minutes ago, TBBills said:

This part doesn't even matter TBH... you would have to be an idiot to not pass this. Not like it's a drug test, much easier to lie your way through. 

Agreed. If he could coerce that many women to the point of hosing them down with his seed, he shouldn’t have a problem getting by “therapy”. 

[The Wiz]

16 minutes ago, corta765 said:

The fact it has made it this long AND the conversation has been civil is rather remarkable

probably because most people are in agreement on this one.

[machine gun kelly]

1 hour ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

They are gross.

 

 

Honestly, you guys, they are almost all simply gross people.  Owners and players.  A number of good and great ones out there, but so over shadowed by the gross.

 

 

Couldn’t agree more Donuts.  I can’t kid about him as he’s disgusting.  For those that make jokes, remember you’re daughter, sister or mom.  Not so funny now.

 

I said it before but this is the rare exception to knock this block off in a concussion.  Any football players who have ethics and there are a lot, will knock this guys head off.  

[Gunvald's Husse]

1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Americans vs Europeans or the rest of the worlds view on sex is a lot different. Sex dungeons, live club sex, legal prostitution, and other non violent sexual acts are a lot more culturally acceptable there. 
Not saying what Watson did was a good thing, but it’s amazing to travel the world and see how much people would just generally shrug at this. 

As a European/Rest of the World person who has travelled extensively I am calling complete and utter BS on the suggestion that "we" would just generally shrug at what he did. "Other non violent sexual acts" are more culturally acceptable over here. Seriously?

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

4 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

His return game is against Houston? You can't write a better script than that. 

The Texans are giving away free tickets to GHAMA (Greater Houston Area Masseuse Association).

[Warcodered]

 

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

11 minutes ago, Gunvald's Husse said:

As a European/Rest of the World person who has travelled extensively I am calling complete and utter BS on the suggestion that "we" would just generally shrug at what he did. "Other non violent sexual acts" are more culturally acceptable over here. Seriously?

 

Pretty much everything he says is ridiculous.  This was the last exchange I had with him.  

He's saying dead Special Ops soldiers aren't elite because they died and questioned Mike Murphy's decision making when he sacrificed his life for his brothers.

 

On 7/6/2022 at 3:45 PM, IronMaidenBills said:

Did I say the dead soldier shouldn’t be honored? No I didn’t, every solider who sacrifices is a hero. But let’s not lie to ourselves, the elite of the elite find a way to stay alive and accomplish a goal. Elite by definition means superiority, how can you be superior if you were killed by a competitor? 
 

 

 

On 7/6/2022 at 3:50 PM, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Mike Murphy, the SEAL who stood on top of a mountain peak to get a signal to call for help....in front of 200 Taliban.  Not elite because he died.  Risked his life to help his fellow SEALS, can't look at him as elite.  It's totally disgusting.  

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_P._Murphy

 

 

On 7/6/2022 at 3:56 PM, IronMaidenBills said:

When it comes to elite and superiority, decision making should be factored in. Not only elite physically, but elite mentally. Who is smarter? The sniper well hidden in a secret location, or a brute warrior charging into a well fortified position? The goal is to stay alive and win. Beating your opponents, it’s hard to do that when you’ve been stopped. I’m not sure you understand what it means to be elite.