Bills disappointed in Elam's potential to contribute this year? (unfounded internet rumor)

[Doc]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

It honestly would not shock me to see them both make it which means that we’re gonna end up moving on from guys like Cam Lewis Who is gonna get scooped up so quick by the Giants

It would shock me if they both didn’t make the roster.  I consider them to be locks.  It appears that Beane pulled a rabbit out of his hat right when he needed to. 

 

2 hours ago, RunTheBall said:

What exactly gives you that “hint of arrogance”? The little I’ve seen on him he comes across as a humble mature professional. Just curious.

Probably from him folding his arms and leaning back after he has the pass break up on Alec Pierce.

Edited August 15, 2022 by Doc

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Rochesterfan]

10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Nice Vids from Giardi - you can see how much more comfortable Elam is in press - his hold was in off coverage essentially in the slot.

 

Much as has been said in the training camp - if he is tight and can get his hands on the WR - he is sticky.  If he is off - his technique needs work.

 

That crossing route was beautiful - that is what killed Wallace as he was better playing off - so a crossing route had tons of room and he lacked speed to make up for it.

 

I think this thread is bogus - I think the Bills are still learning what Elam can do and I suspect how that will play into the defense.

 

He was drafted because it allows the Bills some flexibility in how they play coverage and how to attack on offense.  You can see the talent and although Benford may fit better with the traditional off coverage zone plays - I think Elam gives them more options where they run man/zone combo defenses like they were doing with Tre White early last season.

 

I am super excited to see where this goes because I think they are very deep at CB and I would not be surprised to see them use that depth to go lighter elsewhere on the roster.  You could use Siran Neal and Cam Lewis on ST and not dress Benford on a game day and that allows you to go lighter at WR or RB by maybe eliminating Kumerow or Jones as a ST only player.

 

 

[Doc]

18 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

Nice Vids from Giardi - you can see how much more comfortable Elam is in press - his hold was in off coverage essentially in the slot.

 

Much as has been said in the training camp - if he is tight and can get his hands on the WR - he is sticky.  If he is off - his technique needs work.

 

That crossing route was beautiful - that is what killed Wallace as he was better playing off - so a crossing route had tons of room and he lacked speed to make up for it.

 

I think this thread is bogus - I think the Bills are still learning what Elam can do and I suspect how that will play into the defense.

 

He was drafted because it allows the Bills some flexibility in how they play coverage and how to attack on offense.  You can see the talent and although Benford may fit better with the traditional off coverage zone plays - I think Elam gives them more options where they run man/zone combo defenses like they were doing with Tre White early last season.

 

I am super excited to see where this goes because I think they are very deep at CB and I would not be surprised to see them use that depth to go lighter elsewhere on the roster.  You could use Siran Neal and Cam Lewis on ST and not dress Benford on a game day and that allows you to go lighter at WR or RB by maybe eliminating Kumerow or Jones as a ST only player.

 

Hard to believe they felt he wouldn't contribute this year before he even played in a pre-season game.  But in any case, I'm sure his performance on Saturday now has them excited about his potential to contribute.  And if not him, Benford.

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

It would shock me if they both didn’t make the roster.  I consider them to be locks.  It appears that Beane pulled a rabbit out of his hat right when he needed to. 

 

Probably from him folding his arms and leaning back after he has the pass break up on Alec Pierre.

That’s no different than a fist pump, this is likely a perception issue on your side,  all players have their little celebratory moves. Many of which are really lame, but that. Is my perception.

[Doc]

1 minute ago, Don Otreply said:

That’s no different than a fist pump, this is likely a perception issue on your side,  all players have their little celebratory moves. Many of which are really lame, but that. Is my perception.

 

I had no problem with it.  Just saying what might have been perceived as being arrogant.

[Don Otreply]

8 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I had no problem with it.  Just saying what might have been perceived as being arrogant.

I guess it could, still though, far less silly than guys who do a dance choreography after catching a pass when their team is still down by two or three scores,  talk about a case of needing to act like you’ve been there before…, 

Edited August 15, 2022 by Don Otreply

[MJS]

We saw the same thing with Tre White his rookie year. McDermott threw him to the wolves in camp and the preseason games. White made some plays but also got beat a lot. He learned a ton and was ready to go by the regular season and SHOULD have been the DROY.

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

We saw the same thing with Tre White his rookie year. McDermott threw him to the wolves in camp and the preseason games. White made some plays but also got beat a lot. He learned a ton and was ready to go by the regular season and SHOULD have been the DROY.

Yeah, there is no reason to not let Elam take his lumps now. He needs to be rounding into form by December

Edited August 15, 2022 by FireChans

[Jauronimo]

On 8/13/2022 at 10:57 AM, Cheektowaga Chad said:

There's other bills forums?

There sure are.  

 

https://!@#$.com/forum/55-politics-forum/

 

For your viewing pleasure, a rousing discussion on the merit of blackface and a thread offering a bounty for identifying info of another member.  

[teef]

3 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

There sure are.  

 

https://!@#$.com/forum/55-politics-forum/

 

For your viewing pleasure, a rousing discussion on the merit of blackface and a thread offering a bounty for identifying info of another member.  

how in the world did you not mention this gem?   https://!@#$.com/topic/51268-willing-to-give-a-reward-to-anyone-who-pms-me-information-on-libills/

[Jauronimo]

9 minutes ago, teef said:

how in the world did you not mention this gem?   https://!@#$.com/topic/51268-willing-to-give-a-reward-to-anyone-who-pms-me-information-on-libills/

I did.  "a thread offering a bounty for identifying information of another poster."

[Gugny]

15 minutes ago, teef said:

how in the world did you not mention this gem?   https://!@#$.com/topic/51268-willing-to-give-a-reward-to-anyone-who-pms-me-information-on-libills/

 

This ... is fantastic.

[DCofNC]

I for one, would love to see a little shift in our D, let Tre take his man however he sees fit and the same for Elam if he’s a better press guy.  Run a base zone, but let the corners make it hard on the #1 and # 2 options.  We lost to the chiefs bc of being afraid of touching a guy at the line. Run a hybrid D, make them guess if they are getting press or zone, it’s a nightmare for an O to time things if you can give them a different style out of the same look.

[Warcodered]

22 minutes ago, teef said:

how in the world did you not mention this gem?   https://!@#$.com/topic/51268-willing-to-give-a-reward-to-anyone-who-pms-me-information-on-libills/

so it's locked now, is that due to moderation....or successful completion?

[Jauronimo]

7 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

so it's locked now, is that due to moderation....or successful completion?

Between that place, my experience with other Bills forums, PPP, and the disgusting comments I see whenever the Bills media team makes a public announcement I am beginning to think that affiliation with "Bills Mafia" is going to land all of us on a government watch list one day.

Edited August 15, 2022 by Jauronimo

[Rochesterfan]

21 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

I for one, would love to see a little shift in our D, let Tre take his man however he sees fit and the same for Elam if he’s a better press guy.  Run a base zone, but let the corners make it hard on the #1 and # 2 options.  We lost to the chiefs bc of being afraid of touching a guy at the line. Run a hybrid D, make them guess if they are getting press or zone, it’s a nightmare for an O to time things if you can give them a different style out of the same look.

 

I don’t think they lost to the Chiefs bc of being afraid of touching a guy at the LOS. 
 

They were afraid of letting guys get behind Wallace because of his lack of speed to catch a WR deep.

 

When they played the Chiefs in Oct. they played a bunch of man/zone combo - with Tre playing man and Wallace playing an outside zone - forcing the WR into safety help inside.

 

In the playoffs without Tre - they could not do that because neither Jackson or Wallace had the speed to cover the WRs in man.  They had to play off and play zone - hence why they wanted to move on from Wallace.

 

it is also a reason I think this unfounded rumor is bunk - because they wanted a guy like Elam with speed and man coverage abilities to be able to mix coverages again.  

[DCofNC]

1 minute ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

I don’t think they lost to the Chiefs bc of being afraid of touching a guy at the LOS. 
 

They were afraid of letting guys get behind Wallace because of his lack of speed to catch a WR deep.

 

When they played the Chiefs in Oct. they played a bunch of man/zone combo - with Tre playing man and Wallace playing an outside zone - forcing the WR into safety help inside.

 

In the playoffs without Tre - they could not do that because neither Jackson or Wallace had the speed to cover the WRs in man.  They had to play off and play zone - hence why they wanted to move on from Wallace.

 

it is also a reason I think this unfounded rumor is bunk - because they wanted a guy like Elam with speed and man coverage abilities to be able to mix coverages again.  

I agree, I think a guy like Elam will give them more flexibility, once he’s ready to go.  He still looks raw, but you get better with reps, so hopefully he rounds into solid form early in the year. 
 

To the point of the Chiefs game, I think it was a horrendous strategy to allow 2 All-Pros a free release off the line on that last drive, that stinks of fear to me.  You were sitting in zone anyway, you could have at least forced them to work off the line. 

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, MJS said:

We saw the same thing with Tre White his rookie year. McDermott threw him to the wolves in camp and the preseason games. White made some plays but also got beat a lot. He learned a ton and was ready to go by the regular season and SHOULD have been the DROY.

 

The slight difference being there was a LOT more carry over from what White did at LSU to what he was being asked to do here than there is for Elam from Florida to Buffalo. 

[ndirish1978]

6 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

I did.  "a thread offering a bounty for identifying information of another poster."

 

Didn't that guy used to post here years ago? I feel like I remember the name

[Jauronimo]

21 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

Didn't that guy used to post here years ago? I feel like I remember the name

I think all of those miscreants used to post here but didn't last very long for reasons which are a mystery.

[FilthyBeast]

If there is any truth to this expect the Bills to make a move for a veteran DB sooner than later, either FA or trade.

 

One thing is for certain though right now is that you can't tell the difference between a 6th round rookie DB and 1st round rookie DB when looking at how Benford and Elam have performed respectively. In fact it's not even crazy to suggest that Benford looks like the better player and 1st round pick so far.

 

Either way don't be surprised if this secondary struggles big time the first half of the season especially if White isn't ready until midseason which I still think is the reality many fans aren't understanding.

[The Red King]

Can we change the thread title to read "Bills' fan dissapointed in Elam's potential..." 😁

[Doc]

26 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

If there is any truth to this expect the Bills to make a move for a veteran DB sooner than later, either FA or trade.

 

One thing is for certain though right now is that you can't tell the difference between a 6th round rookie DB and 1st round rookie DB when looking at how Benford and Elam have performed respectively. In fact it's not even crazy to suggest that Benford looks like the better player and 1st round pick so far.

 

Either way don't be surprised if this secondary struggles big time the first half of the season especially if White isn't ready until midseason which I still think is the reality many fans aren't understanding.

 

There isn't.  At least not after Saturday.

[Big Turk]

46 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

There isn't.  At least not after Saturday.

 

I'm not sure our second string defense that was out there isn't better than several teams starting defense. That's scary.

Edited August 15, 2022 by Big Turk

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

I'm not sure our second string defense that was out there isn't better than several teams starting defense. That's scary.

I won’t go that far but I’m liking the depth. 

[Einstein]

On 8/13/2022 at 11:52 AM, Einstein said:

Tough to trust random people on the internet but I found this story from a fan potentially concerning. The fan who wrote this has been a member of that Bills forum for 19 years, so I'm hoping he wouldn't just make this up.

 

"One of the beat writers was at a wedding I was at this past weekend. Not gonna say who. He 'says' that word around camp is that Elam isn’t anywhere near where the Bills had hoped in terms of starting week one or contributing." (link)

 

I know there have been reports that he has struggled at times, but I hadn't yet seen anything that indicates that the Bills are realizing that Elam is just not ready to contribute. Especially upsetting with reports than McDuffie has looked impressive in Chiefs camp. 

 

This random internet source may have been onto something.

 

We are 3/4 through his rookie season and Elam was benched for a second straight week on defense. 

 

Our 1st round pick is playing special teams.

[CoudyBills]

8 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

This random internet source may have been onto something.

 

We are 3/4 through his rookie season and Elam was benched for a second straight week on defense. 

 

Our 1st round pick is playing special teams.

I'd rather not see this brain trust make anymore draft picks if 1st round picks become special teamers.  

Edited December 11, 2022 by CoudyBills
Spell teamer correctly

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

This random internet source may have been onto something.

 

We are 3/4 through his rookie season and Elam was benched for a second straight week on defense. 

 

Our 1st round pick is playing special teams.

 

Then maybe he should stop missing tackles in the run game and getting beat in the pass game.

 

If he isn't doing either well, he needs to be off the field. At least the other DBs play the run well for the most part.

 

Obviously the coaches are not happy with something. They see him every day in practice.

 

They've allowed 10 points two games in a row on D. I think overall they are doing fine with him not in there...

 

It's up to him to improve...I am sure the coaches have told him what he needs to work on.

Edited December 12, 2022 by Big Turk

[EmotionallyUnstable]

10 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Then maybe he should stop missing tackles in the run game and getting beat in the pass game.

 

If he isn't doing either well, he needs to be off the field. At least the other DBs play the run well for the most part.

 

Obviously the coaches are not happy with something. They see him every day in practice.

 

They've allowed 10 points two games in a row on D. I think overall they are doing fine with him not in there...

 

It's up to him to improve...I am sure the coaches have told him what he needs to work on.

That may be all well and good.

 

The problem is that when you invest an asset of this caliber into a player, he should be a large contributing factor playing meaningful snaps that have an impact on the game. 
 

Wether it’s on him to improve, or the coaches to get him there, is pointless right now mid-season. The problem is that they HAVE to do this and he, for whatever reason, is not helping this team at a level which you would expect him to

[Donuts and Doritos]

Dane Jackson is NOT good. That Elam, a 1st round pick can't get in the field over him is alarming. He's a border line bust at this pt. That's a bad miss by Beane. I really think Dane is a huge liability that needs to be replaced. If not Elam, then who? Sounded like Rhodes but apparently not. This stubbornness by McD/Frazier may cost this team this year.

 

Edited December 12, 2022 by Donuts and Doritos

[John from Riverside]

I guess I’m just not understanding the topic Elam was active today and he was out on the field

8 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

Dane Jackson is NOT good. That Elam, a 1st round pick can't get in the field over him is alarming. He's a border line bust at this pt. That's a bad miss by Beane. I really think Dane is a huge liability that needs to be replaced. If not Elam, then who? Sounded like Rhodes but apparently not. This stubbornness by McD/Frazier may cost this team this year.

 

That is a McDermitt decision he likes his veterans

[Gunsgoodtime]

Cut him now

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

I guess I’m just not understanding the topic Elam was active today and he was out on the field

 

Elam wasn’t on the field today.

 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

I would blame Beane not Elam

 

[John from Riverside]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

Elam wasn’t on the field today.

 

Are we sure about that? I haven’t taken a look at his rep count, but I thought I saw his jersey.

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Are we sure about that? I haven’t taken a look at his rep count, but I thought I saw his jersey.

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[Donuts and Doritos]

52 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I guess I’m just not understanding the topic Elam was active today and he was out on the field

That is a McDermitt decision he likes his veterans

 

Until the last drive Dane was burned a lot in the second half. He's been bad the last 3 to 4 games. He's undersized & reacts late. It's been commented on by Joe Bascaglia, Greg Cosell & others & showed up today. This stubborn insistence to rely on Vets by McD is a short sighted weakness. He should play the best player & Dane ain't it. 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 12, 2022 by Donuts and Doritos

[Playoffs?]

I thought Elam was doing ok early on. I’m surprised he’s this deep in the doghouse. 

[Billz4ever]

2 minutes ago, Playoffs? said:

I thought Elam was doing ok early on. I’m surprised he’s this deep in the doghouse. 

I'll take what I've seen from Elam over what we've gotten out of Jackson the last several games any day. Teams clearly go into games with the mindset that they can pick on Dane easy and often.