Stadium Renderings are here!!!

[SoCal Deek]

10 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Wait, is this true? So like SoFi stadium? Open air, out of the elements but still ambient temperature.  That might be a good compromise. 

 

I was at SoFi last week in conditions that were probably about the warmest it will ever be at that stadium. No A/C in the stadium but honestly it wasn't that bad. It was warm but nothing you couldn't handle for three hours.

The Bills stadium will definitely not be like SoFi. It will have a roof covering the seats, but open to the sky over the field. 
 

And SoFi has no A/C or heating for that matter because as you experienced it’s actually not an indoor environment. SoFi is three distinct and physically separated structures. The retaining wall they used to sink the playing field almost eight stories into the ground. The stadium itself which is a conventional stadium. And finally the glass covered canopy that spans across the entire facility including creating a covered plaza that encloses the adjacent indoor theater venue. 

 

Edited September 17, 2022 by SoCal Deek

[Mr. WEO]

9 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

You missed a lot of games. Atlanta was probably his worst game the last 3 years.

 

what were all of the extreme weather games I missed?  

 

Allen's worst game was playoffs vs Houston.  Weather was not an issue....

[Buffalo_Stampede]

17 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Wait, is this true? So like SoFi stadium? Open air, out of the elements but still ambient temperature.  That might be a good compromise. 

 

I was at SoFi last week in conditions that were probably about the warmest it will ever be at that stadium. No A/C in the stadium but honestly it wasn't that bad. It was warm but nothing you couldn't handle for three hours.

No, enclosed all the way around with nearly 80% of the stands covered. Hotspur stadium was designed by the same company. That seems to be a good example of what to expect.

 

 

 

 

[QCity]

13 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

 I read the new stadium will be fully enclosed with a canopy.

 

18 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

 It will have a roof covering the seats

 

 

I don't know where this is coming from, but I would be prepared for disappointment if you think all the seats will be covered. I wouldn't even expect 50% of the seats to be covered.

[RiotAct]

13 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

what were all of the extreme weather games I missed?  

 

Allen's worst game was playoffs vs Houston.  Weather was not an issue....

I dunno about that… he made several bone-headed plays but also several remarkable plays IIRC…

[Buffalo_Stampede]

17 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

what were all of the extreme weather games I missed?  

 

Allen's worst game was playoffs vs Houston.  Weather was not an issue....

11-26 with 3 ints vs Atlanta is pretty bad. But who cares about 1 game, Allen is sub 60% completion % at home for his career. He’s a better QB away from home in basically every category. He even has more yards rushing away from home.

 

Defense is better at home probably for the same reasons Allen is worse at home. The weather.

10 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

 

I don't know where this is coming from, but I would be prepared for disappointment if you think all the seats will be covered. I wouldn't even expect 50% of the seats to be covered.

They’ve said 80 %

Edited September 17, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[LabattBlue]

41 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

11-26 with 3 ints vs Atlanta is pretty bad. But who cares about 1 game, Allen is sub 60% completion % at home for his career. He’s a better QB away from home in basically every category. He even has more yards rushing away from home.

 

Defense is better at home probably for the same reasons Allen is worse at home. The weather.

They’ve said 80 %

80% is news to me.  Link?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

40 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

80% is news to me.  Link?

Things we know are it’ll be approximately 60,000 seats with more standing, seats are approximately 80% covered, and it’s fully enclosed on the sides.

 

The fully enclosed was pretty important to me because I was thinking one end or both ends would be open like a rendering that dropped earlier this year. Fully enclosed news was reported pretty recently.
 

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 “I would say the other part is the way we envisioned the stadium being designed, with (approximately) 80% of the seats covered, is very much in line with what our fans said in our surveys: that they didn’t mind the cold, they just didn’t want to be wet.”

 

 

Edited September 17, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Sierra Foothills]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

No, enclosed all the way around with nearly 80% of the stands covered. Hotspur stadium was designed by the same company. That seems to be a good example of what to expect.

 

 

 

On 9/14/2022 at 9:31 AM, The Wiz said:

 

 

[LabattBlue]

7 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Things we know are it’ll be approximately 60,000 seats with more standing, seats are approximately 80% covered, and it’s fully enclosed on the sides.

 

The fully enclosed was pretty important to me because I was thinking one end or both ends would be open like a rendering that dropped earlier this year. Fully enclosed news was reported pretty recently.
 

 

 

Thanks.  Approximately 80%, could mean 80%, or 20%.  This is from the same guy who said renderings are very very close over a month ago. 
 

Only time will tell, but if I had to guess, I say it ends up with less than half covered.  The survey questions were worded in a way that supports my guess.  

Edited September 17, 2022 by LabattBlue

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

17 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Thanks.  Approximately 80%, could mean 80%, or 20%.  This is from the same guy who said renderings are very very close over a month ago. 
 

Only time will tell, but if I had to guess, I say it ends up with less than half covered.  The survey questions were worded in a way that supports my guess.  

 

If you look at Hotspur stadium you'll see that somewhere around 80% of the seats are probably covered. Looks like pretty much everything above the lower bowl and maybe half or 3/4 of the lower bowl. With that said, that does not mean 80% of the seats will be protected from wind, rain and snow. With a giant opening above the field of play all those elements will still be blown into at least 50% of the seats if not an even greater percentage. 

[LabattBlue]

7 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

If you look at Hotspur stadium you'll see that somewhere around 80% of the seats are probably covered. Looks like pretty much everything above the lower bowl and maybe half or 3/4 of the lower bowl. With that said, that does not mean 80% of the seats will be protected from wind, rain and snow. With a giant opening above the field of play all those elements will still be blown into at least 50% of the seats if not an even greater percentage. 

Fuzzy math or the dreaded climate confusion?   😂

[Lost]

7 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

If you look at Hotspur stadium you'll see that somewhere around 80% of the seats are probably covered. Looks like pretty much everything above the lower bowl and maybe half or 3/4 of the lower bowl. With that said, that does not mean 80% of the seats will be protected from wind, rain and snow. With a giant opening above the field of play all those elements will still be blown into at least 50% of the seats if not an even greater percentage. 

 

Only thing I dont like with some of these designs is you end up with only like 30% of the field getting any sunlight during day games.   Just looks weird.  

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 minute ago, Lost said:

 

Only thing I dont like with some of these designs is you end up with only like 30% of the field getting any sunlight during day games.   Just looks weird.  

 

I agree. Don't like that either. I guess that will only really be a problem in September. Get's pretty cloudy and overcast most of the football season in Buffalo right?

[SoCal Deek]

4 minutes ago, Lost said:

 

Only thing I dont like with some of these designs is you end up with only like 30% of the field getting any sunlight during day games.   Just looks weird.  

It’s much less notable when you’re sitting in the stadium. Your eyes adjust to the changes in light level much better than the television cameras can. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Are we still close 

[LeGOATski]

11 minutes ago, Lost said:

 

Only thing I dont like with some of these designs is you end up with only like 30% of the field getting any sunlight during day games.   Just looks weird.  

yep, looks crappy on TV. 

 

I'm wondering what kind of material the overhang will be. There has been extensive use of that specialized plastic in new stadiums. That's how they get nice natural light into the LA and Minn stadiums, even though they're covered. I'm not sure if that can be used for an overhang like the Bills are planning; if it's sturdy enough?

[mrags]

43 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Thanks.  Approximately 80%, could mean 80%, or 20%.  This is from the same guy who said renderings are very very close over a month ago. 
 

Only time will tell, but if I had to guess, I say it ends up with less than half covered.  The survey questions were worded in a way that supports my guess.  

I also came away with the same thing from the surveys that were out there. I would guess most of the entire lower bowl will be in the elements. 

24 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

If you look at Hotspur stadium you'll see that somewhere around 80% of the seats are probably covered. Looks like pretty much everything above the lower bowl and maybe half or 3/4 of the lower bowl. With that said, that does not mean 80% of the seats will be protected from wind, rain and snow. With a giant opening above the field of play all those elements will still be blown into at least 50% of the seats if not an even greater percentage. 

If you have seen the surveys, it doesn’t appear you are correct with the 80% covered seats argument. 
 

personally, I hope Your right and 80% are covered. But the surveys definitely suggest differently. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

7 minutes ago, mrags said:

I also came away with the same thing from the surveys that were out there. I would guess most of the entire lower bowl will be in the elements. 

If you have seen the surveys, it doesn’t appear you are correct with the 80% covered seats argument. 
 

personally, I hope Your right and 80% are covered. But the surveys definitely suggest differently. 

 

I'm just looking at Hotspur stadium. Someone on here said that is the most likely stadium design they will replicate. 

[The Wiz]

 

[mrags]

11 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

I'm just looking at Hotspur stadium. Someone on here said that is the most likely stadium design they will replicate. 

I understand that. It’s because the same company is designing ours. But I don’t think everyone understands that just because it’s being compared, means that’s what we are going to get. I’m a season tix holder and got the survey where they went over every seat option expectations and I can say that it didn’t feel like 80% would be covered. Imo it even felt like less than 50%. Again, I hope I’m wrong. I really want to be covered and under heat at the new stadium. But I really believe it won’t be nearly as much as what some are expecting. 

[Mr. WEO]

9 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

11-26 with 3 ints vs Atlanta is pretty bad. But who cares about 1 game, Allen is sub 60% completion % at home for his career. He’s a better QB away from home in basically every category. He even has more yards rushing away from home.

 

Defense is better at home probably for the same reasons Allen is worse at home. The weather.

They’ve said 80 %

 

Completion %?  That's what you have? lol

 

He's 21-10 at home 19-12 on the road.  He's 3-0 in January. All of his playoff wins are on the road.  All his playoff wins are at home...in the Ralph....in January.

 

Truly severe weather affects any game so rarely and Josh Allen, of all QBs in the NFL, is the most perfected created QB for such weather that your argument makes no sense at all.

[ArtVandalay]

10 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

11-26 with 3 ints vs Atlanta is pretty bad. But who cares about 1 game, Allen is sub 60% completion % at home for his career. He’s a better QB away from home in basically every category. He even has more yards rushing away from home.

 

Defense is better at home probably for the same reasons Allen is worse at home. The weather.

They’ve said 80 %

Here's the flaw in stating Allen's home v road stats, you aren't considering how the opposing QB fares in those home games because at the end of the day Josh Allen home isn't playing against Josh Allen road QB, he's playing against the opposing QB that day. The goal isn't for Allen to put up the best stats, it's for him to do better than the opposing QB.

 

For instance:

In the wind game McCorkle Jones threw for 19 yards.  If Diggs caught the ball placed in his bread basket or if our coaching staff showed up and wasn't out coached to an embarrassing extent, we win.  

 

Against the Panthers in December Allen threw for only 210 yards on 56%, but 3TD, meanwhile the opposing QB threw for only 156 on only 47% with 1 TD.

 

Yes, Allen had a bad day on the snow vs Atlanta, but he ran for 80+ yards instead and Matt Ryan was able to complete only 13 passes. 

 

Against the Jets Allen only competed 53% for 239 and 2TD, another 63 on the ground... but Zack Wilson only completed 7 of 20, 37%, for just 87 yards. 

 

Yes, Allen's numbers suffer at home but they are still far better than that of opposing QBs that often get competely crippled. 

[SoCal Deek]

34 minutes ago, mrags said:

I understand that. It’s because the same company is designing ours. But I don’t think everyone understands that just because it’s being compared, means that’s what we are going to get. I’m a season tix holder and got the survey where they went over every seat option expectations and I can say that it didn’t feel like 80% would be covered. Imo it even felt like less than 50%. Again, I hope I’m wrong. I really want to be covered and under heat at the new stadium. But I really believe it won’t be nearly as much as what some are expecting. 

The Bills stadium will of course be unique but looking at recent projects from the same architectural firm should give you a bit of a hint. Speaking as an architect, what Populous’ portfolio of recent work is most known for is a more contemporary imagery, as opposed to a historically referenced ‘style’. Now it’s only a guess but I don’t expect a brick clad industrial looking stadium like you see in Seattle. Instead I expect a much more modern aesthetic. I’ve been to Tottenham. The best I can describe it is it looks like a spaceship landed in a neighborhood of old brick row houses. It’s incredibly cool! Although I’m not sure what the next door neighbors think about it. 

[Franco_92]

31 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Here's the flaw in stating Allen's home v road stats, you aren't considering how the opposing QB fares in those home games because at the end of the day Josh Allen home isn't playing against Josh Allen road QB, he's playing against the opposing QB that day. The goal isn't for Allen to put up the best stats, it's for him to do better than the opposing QB.

 

For instance:

In the wind game McCorkle Jones threw for 19 yards.  If Diggs caught the ball placed in his bread basket or if our coaching staff showed up and wasn't out coached to an embarrassing extent, we win.  

 

Against the Panthers in December Allen threw for only 210 yards on 56%, but 3TD, meanwhile the opposing QB threw for only 156 on only 47% with 1 TD.

 

Yes, Allen had a bad day on the snow vs Atlanta, but he ran for 80+ yards instead and Matt Ryan was able to complete only 13 passes. 

 

Against the Jets Allen only competed 53% for 239 and 2TD, another 63 on the ground... but Zack Wilson only completed 7 of 20, 37%, for just 87 yards. 

 

Yes, Allen's numbers suffer at home but they are still far better than that of opposing QBs that often get competely crippled. 

Someone did this analysis last year, maybe Joe Marino? And he concluded that this is true, despite Allen's numbers going down at home in the weather, the gap between him and the opposing qb increases.

[LabattBlue]

19 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

The Bills stadium will of course be unique but looking at recent projects from the same architectural firm should give you a bit of a hint. Speaking as an architect, what Populous’ portfolio of recent work is most known for is a more contemporary imagery, as opposed to a historically referenced ‘style’. Now it’s only a guess but I don’t expect a brick clad industrial looking stadium like you see in Seattle. Instead I expect a much more modern aesthetic. I’ve been to Tottenham. The best I can describe it is it looks like a spaceship landed in a neighborhood of old brick row houses. It’s incredibly cool! Although I’m not sure what the next door neighbors think about it. 

Not sure what any of this has to do with how much of the seating area is covered…and yes, by now we all know you are an architect.  😂

Edited September 17, 2022 by LabattBlue

[bobobonators]

Ive always been a huge fan of the Vikings new stadium. Its enclosed but with all the glass it looks like it’s open. 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

Not sure what any of this has to do with how much of the seating area is covered…and yes, by now we all know you are an architect.  😂

Trust me…not trying to show off. But if anyone wants to see the Tottenham Stadium they are on TV today at 12:30 eastern time on the USA Network.

 

And with regard to the seat covering, virtually every single European (especially English) soccer stadium is constructed with 100% of the seats under cover. They’ve been building them that way for years. It rains regularly in England and their season is during the fall, winter, and spring…not the sunnier summer months. The only fans who get wet are those in maybe the first couple of rows when the rain is wind blown.

 

If you’re really interested I highly recommend downloading Google Earth where you can easily ‘tour’ all of these sites. Because the images are from a satellite they’re essentially looking straight down from above. What you’ll discover is that the only area inside the stadium that’s exposed to the sky is the field itself. I hope that helps. 👍

 

 

Edited September 17, 2022 by SoCal Deek

[Spiderweb]

Personally, i see the delay in revealing the renderings is almost like vaporware. Long on promise, short on delivery. Enough already, reveal them!!!

Edited September 17, 2022 by Spiderweb

[mrags]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Trust me…not trying to show off. But if anyone wants to see the Tottenham Stadium they are on TV today at 12:30 eastern time on the USA Network.

 

And with regard to the seat covering, virtually every single European (especially English) soccer stadium is constructed with 100% of the seats under cover. They’ve been building them that way for years. It rains regularly in England and their season is during the fall, winter, and spring…not the sunnier summer months. The only fans who get wet are those in maybe the first couple of rows when the rain is wind blown.

 

If you’re really interested I highly recommend downloading Google Earth where you can easily ‘tour’ all of these sites. Because the images are from a satellite they’re essentially looking straight down from above. What you’ll discover is that the only area inside the stadium that’s exposed to the sky is the field itself. I hope that helps. 👍

 

 

After looking at a few Populus Stadiums I think the best we could hope for is Allianz Field in MN. But I feel it will be more like Accor Stadium in Australia. 
 

I really hope it’s more like Allianz🙏

[SoCal Deek]

While not designed by Populous you might also Google the renderings of the new Everton stadium. It’s closer to the size of an NFL stadium and in my opinion is really nice mix of contemporary and traditional architecture. Liverpool, home of Everton, is an industrial seaport town like Buffalo. All of these design firms pay close attention to what the others are doing. It’s a competitive industry and there aren’t that many to look at.

[ColoradoBills]

14 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

11-26 with 3 ints vs Atlanta is pretty bad. But who cares about 1 game, Allen is sub 60% completion % at home for his career. He’s a better QB away from home in basically every category. He even has more yards rushing away from home.

 

 

True, 59.77%.  Also true is the opposing QBs in Orchard Park last year had a 52.3% completion %.

Allen was sacked 11 times at home last year but the opposing QBs were sacked 26 times.

I'm sure those categories matter too.

 

Rain, snow and wind effect both sides.  I wouldn't worry about it.

[Rampage]

tete

31 minutes ago, mrags said:

After looking at a few Populus Stadiums I think the best we could hope for is Allianz Field in MN. But I feel it will be more like Accor Stadium in Australia. 
 

I really hope it’s more like Allianz🙏

That translucent wrap around the outside would be great.

[Just Jack]

We’re one day closer. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

38 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

True, 59.77%.  Also true is the opposing QBs in Orchard Park last year had a 52.3% completion %.

Allen was sacked 11 times at home last year but the opposing QBs were sacked 26 times.

I'm sure those categories matter too.

 

Rain, snow and wind effect both sides.  I wouldn't worry about it.

I said the defense is better in poor weather.

[Fleezoid]

What's a rendering. I think I'll wait for the birth. 

[Canadian Bills Fan]

I'm done with waiting. Pass the crayons and I will get this done myself 

[Draconator]

I think the media misunderstood the original announcement. They reported that the new stadium would be open for the 2026 season. What was meant to be said is that renderings will be ready for the 2026 season. Actual stadium completion TBD.

[ColoradoBills]

18 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I said the defense is better in poor weather.

 

The way I see it, this year in Dec and Jan (regular season) the Bills play the Jets, Dolphins and Patriots at home.

The only warm weather team is the fish.  I'd rather play them in Buffalo in Dec than Miami.

Tua will be at a much greater disadvantage than Allen IMO.

[ArtVandalay]

This is getting released during Monday night football, right?