Saffold activated from NFI list

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Nice! Now a Spencer Brown sighting would be good to see next.

[JerseyBills]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Awesome.  The starting OL is all healthy.  

[Bangarang]

Looks like the starting OL is finally getting on the field together 

[BigdaddyinOrlando]

Starting to come together!! 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Non Fungible Investment? 🤨

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[HurlyBurly51]

Yay!

[BuffaloBill]

Very welcome news.  The starting line needs reps together. I am personally hopeful the Bills offense is more balanced with the run this year.  Yes, JA has a huge arm and a stable of WR’s but at times a ball control offense is a stellar defense.

[julian]

Anytime the ball is not in Josh Allen’s hands, it’s a win for the opposing defense and they’ll gladly take their chances against a Buffalo RB 

[Rigotz]

Good lord Tommy Doyle is huge.

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I guess….if you want to play Jauron ball and try and run out the clock…. The best defense is an offense that scores points….I’m personally hopeful the offensive line is better at protecting Josh and they hit the gas the entire game. 

Yeah…..like we’re going to play Jauron ball……. 🙄 

 

 

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Dude said ball control offense. 😅

And you said what you always say.  
 

He said “at times, a ball control offense”.  Being able to control the clock at times…..and that triggers Jauron to you

Edited August 8, 2022 by NewEra

[YattaOkasan]

9 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Nice! Now a Spencer Brown sighting would be good to see next.

Pretty sure he’s been at a lot of practices just not using him in team drills yet. 

[ColoradoBills]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

And you said what you always say.  
 

He said “at times, a ball control offense”.  Being able to control the clock at times…..and that triggers Jauron to you

 

How can an O-Lineman coming off the NFI list be a bad thing?

LOL, some people's kids.

[Punching Bag]

7 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

Very welcome news.  The starting line needs reps together. I am personally hopeful the Bills offense is more balanced with the run this year.  Yes, JA has a huge arm and a stable of WR’s but at times a ball control offense is a stellar defense.

 

Agree.  Ball control offenses can give the defense a breather or keep ball out of opposing offense's hands when defense is have issues preventing other team when scoring.

[Doc Brown]

4 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Agree.  Ball control offenses can give the defense a breather or keep ball out of opposing offense's hands when defense is have issues preventing other team when scoring.

There's more than one way to skin a dolphin.  We can shoot for long scoring drives utilizing mostly pass plays.  We finished fifth in time of possession last year and 11th in 2020 doing just that.  In 2018 and 2019 when we ran the ball more we finished 13th and 16th.  The only real change I want is less designed Josh Allen runs.  Give those carries to the running backs.

[machine gun kelly]

16 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Nice! Now a Spencer Brown sighting would be good to see next.

It’s funny you say that Ethan as I worry a little that Brown’s back might be worse then earlier reported.  This is one injury we could’ve used him in OTA’s and mini camp as well as training camp.  My point is he had a good freshman season using his size and power to contribute to the line.  This off season could’ve been a chance for Kromer to help Brown really perfect his craft.  I think he is doing some off the field conditioning like Tre. 
 

For me having Tre, Hyde, and Poyer missing some of camp is not a big deal as they have been in the same system with the same DC since 2017.  It’s nice, but expected Saffold was coming back.  My guess is just about all of these guys will be ready by the Rams game except for Brown.  I certainly hope so as he was a pleasant surprise last year.

[machine gun kelly]

2 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

Agree.  Ball control offenses can give the defense a breather or keep ball out of opposing offense's hands when defense is have issues preventing other team when scoring.

Agreed Lime.  I think we will see a more dynamic offense where there will be more effective runs, a pass catching RB in Cook, possibly going from 7% 12 personnel to maybe 13-14%.  Our bread and butter will still be the stable of WRs and Josh’s arm.  This is going to keep the opposing defenses on their toes and not able to tee up on a predictable offense.  This is why there were rumblings about Daboll and McD differing in their opinions about play calling.  My guess is Daboll probably didn’t think we had the personnel to do what I wrote above, so he probably wanted to get the most out of our 3 and 4 wide sets.  On the other hand probably as a defensive genius knew a more dynamic and ball control offense makes it a lot harder to defend.

 

There are all WAGs on my part.  It’s just what I thought last year.  Daboll deserved his promotion, and it is a fun premise to think what Dorsey will do with a different team this year between trades, free agency, and the draft.

[eball]

9 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

.I’m personally hopeful the offensive line is better at protecting Josh

 

I posted this in another thread that you conveniently ignored…tell me the last “bad” hit you saw Josh take in the pocket.

 

[YoloinOhio]

8 hours ago, YattaOkasan said:

Pretty sure he’s been at a lot of practices just not using him in team drills yet. 

Fortunately he was in team drills yesterday. It’s unfortunate that he missed so much time because he needs the practice but the good thing is he had the surgery and McDermott says they are being cautious with easing him back in.

[eball]

6 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Yea… he got his ass handed to him against Jacksonville… and Pittsburgh. 

 

So not since week 8 of last year?

[Don Otreply]

11 hours ago, NewEra said:

And you said what you always say.  
 

He said “at times, a ball control offense”.  Being able to control the clock at times…..and that triggers Jauron to you

Ya gotta forgive Scottlaw, he has a trick knee…,

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Ya gotta forgive Scottlaw, he has a trick knee…,

I do.  I love me some ScottLaw.   I just feel bad that his way of thinking makes his dog sad, as they can sense his emotion.  

[NewEra]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

I don’t think “controlling the clock” should be their concern. Scoring TDs anyway possible is your best defense. 

“At times” Scott.  “At times”……. 

[eball]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

I’m not sure what your point is? 

 

My point is that the two games you picked were early season ones in which Josh was asked to drop back 105 times.  That's a Daboll problem, which McD addressed in the middle of the season and then the results were much different.

 

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, eball said:

 

I posted this in another thread that you conveniently ignored…tell me the last “bad” hit you saw Josh take in the pocket.

 

 

Josh is good at not taking bad hits. But the incompletion to end the home Pats loss last year is a ball that if Josh is given another half a second by his line he completes. It isn't just Josh getting beaten up that worries me, it is them forcing him to be early on balls. 

Just now, eball said:

 

My point is that the two games you picked were early season ones in which Josh was asked to drop back 105 times.  That's a Daboll problem, which McD addressed in the middle of the season and then the results were much different.

 

 

The protection issues last year were not a Daboll problem. They were an offensive line problem. Some of that was injuries and covid meaning we had something 8 diffferent combos in the first 10 weeks of the season, but some of it was just talent. They need Brown to develop, Saffold to be an upgrade and Bates to prove he can turn 5 solid weeks into a season of solid weeks, otherwise my worry is that unit sinks us again. 

[Mikie's Bills]

Bills O-line ranked 17th by ESPN entering the season, which seems about right.

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17. Buffalo Bills

Projected starters: Dion Dawkins, Rodger Saffold, Mitch Morse, Ryan Bates, Spencer Brown

Predicted pass block rank: No. 12
Predicted run block rank: No. 26

There is reason to be skeptical of the Bills' Saffold signing. The 34-year-old guard is a former win rate standout, but his metrics have declined significantly in the past couple of seasons. He ranked 60th and 56th in pass block win rate and run block win rate, respectively, among guards in 2021.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/insider/story/_/id/34298735/projecting-nfl-best-worst-offensive-lines-ranking-all-32-teams-pass-run-block-win-rates-2022

 

 

 

[machine gun kelly]

Well I spoke too quickly.  Sal reported this morning Brown has been doing some things on a limited basis so maybe he will be ok in a month.

 

I certainly hope so as I like the kid.  Besides he has a tough streak in him and freakishly strong.

[YattaOkasan]

14 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Fortunately he was in team drills yesterday. It’s unfortunate that he missed so much time because he needs the practice but the good thing is he had the surgery and McDermott says they are being cautious with easing him back in.

I don’t think fortune has anything to do with 3 starting OL that were nicked up coming back at the same time. Heck even dion got some time already.
 

I think 1 week before preseason game 1 was a date to get peeps back. I think they wanted to give anyone with a boo-boo a bit of time with training staff before being full go. It makes sense and would bet its part of load management. 

[ColoradoBills]

11 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

This is akin to you blaming the special teams coach of 13 seconds 😅…. I think Daboll contributed at times no question, but it was more a talent issue more than anything else…. They added one of the better offensive line coaches, but didn’t do much personnel wise besides add a couple of guys who struggled in pass protection and thrive in run blocking. 

 

You didn't get the memo?  Bills are running the wishbone this season.

[HappyDays]

15 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

They need Brown to develop, Saffold to be an upgrade and Bates to prove he can turn 5 solid weeks into a season of solid weeks, otherwise my worry is that unit sinks us again. 

 

I think if you take last year's line but insert Saffold and give Dawkins a season uninterrupted by a covid hospital stay, that alone is a league-average OL. If Brown and/or Bates develop further, the ceiling is higher. Assuming everyone stays healthy I'll be surprised if we see any games similar to the Jags or Bucs (1st half) this year.

[GoBills808]

16 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Josh is good at not taking bad hits. But the incompletion to end the home Pats loss last year is a ball that if Josh is given another half a second by his line he completes. It isn't just Josh getting beaten up that worries me, it is them forcing him to be early on balls. 

 

The protection issues last year were not a Daboll problem. They were an offensive line problem. Some of that was injuries and covid meaning we had something 8 diffferent combos in the first 10 weeks of the season, but some of it was just talent. They need Brown to develop, Saffold to be an upgrade and Bates to prove he can turn 5 solid weeks into a season of solid weeks, otherwise my worry is that unit sinks us again. 

If it had just been a personnel issue that might be true but they made a marked switch to more gap technique over zone  which coincided with better usage from Singletary. Not coincidentally, running the ball better helps in pass pro. Daboll had a hand in that.

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

If it had just been a personnel issue that might be true but they made a marked switch to more gap technique over zone  which coincided with better usage from Singletary. Not coincidentally, running the ball better helps in pass pro. Daboll had a hand in that.

 

They did but they are going back to primarily a zone scheme from everything we have heard. They did run better with the gap scheme, but for me the biggest difference down the stretch was Dawkins getting himself right. Him healthy and playing well nakes a massive difference to our line. 

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I think if you take last year's line but insert Saffold and give Dawkins a season uninterrupted by a covid hospital stay, that alone is a league-average OL. If Brown and/or Bates develop further, the ceiling is higher. Assuming everyone stays healthy I'll be surprised if we see any games similar to the Jags or Bucs (1st half) this year.

 

Yea I can see that... although Saffold's pass pro has always been questionable to my eye even going back to his Rams days. But I agree a fully healthy Dion is the biggest difference maker. That is a very fair point.

[machine gun kelly]

Well, great news Brown was back in practice and even had a couple of nice plays opposite Von.

 

ww still have a month so he has time to have the team just take their time bringing Brown back into the fold.

[NewEra]

10 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

You didn't get the memo?  Bills are running the wishbone this season.

And when they aren’t running the wishbone, they’ll be in the wildcat, with Josh being a receiver eligible OT

[Doc]

1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:

Well, great news Brown was back in practice and even had a couple of nice plays opposite Von.

 

ww still have a month so he has time to have the team just take their time bringing Brown back into the fold.

 

Brown going against Von should only help make Brown better.

[Warcodered]