NFL Suspends Dolphins owner Stephen Ross until October 17th, 2022 after investigation. Dolphins forfeit 2023 1st round pick and 2024 3rd round pick

[Inigo Montoya]

Man, all the Patriots are having inappropriate contact in Florida.  First Kraft, now Brady.

[mannc]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

 

 

 

It just got harder for him to prove.   NFL/Fins can just call the independent investigator as a witness to testify about his findings/conclusions.

As I recall, the tanking claim was only one allegation in his complaint... 

[Punching Bag]

34 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

And it if Tua accidently misfires a ball and its the GOAT cheater in mouth it is just an accident.

[Rigby]

But but they have the boy band manager as head coach!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Beast]

8 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

And it if Tua accidently misfires a ball and its the GOAT cheater in mouth it is just an accident.

 

The question is, would that ball even cause a fat lip?

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

3 hours ago, Rubes said:

 

No, but I believe New England will be awarded the two forfeited picks from the Dolphins.

 

Three.  Same division. 😉

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Ross: "Lay off the workers from our construction business for a month, I just got toasted for 1.5 million!"

[Rigby]

I don't much give a ***** mind, but the best thing for that dumbass organization is for Ross to go ahead and sell, but I don't see that happening.

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Ross: "Lay off the workers from our construction business for a month, I just got toasted for 1.5 million!"

When they fine ownership they should take it out of their salary cap.

[Greg S]

Reading some of the comments over at the Dolphins forums is funny. They are and rightfully so calling Ross a moron. 

[eball]

What exactly is the penalty to a team if their owner is suspended for three months?  I don't even understand that; it certainly doesn't impact the football operations.

[cale]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

This is a joke? They couldn't admit that Ross wanted to tank cause it would bring the integrity of the NFL into question. Plus they would have to seriously consider that racism and prejudice was in play against Flores.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

Right because partially confirming what he said is apparently worse than completely refuting.🤔

 

Exactly.  Conceding it was said but that no one else took him seriously when he said it is better than lying about not having said it when their are witnesses who can corroborate he said it.

 

1 hour ago, mannc said:

As I recall, the tanking claim was only one allegation in his complaint... 

 

The tanking claim was his best shot.  "Fake interviews" are hard to prove and even if they happened, so what?  What harm is done?  He would have to prove he was harmed/damaged by a fake interview process (as opposed to no interview at all) to succeed in his suit. Good luck....

Edited August 2, 2022 by Mr. WEO

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Exactly.  Conceding it was said but that no one else took him seriously when he said it is better than lying about not having said it when their are witnesses who can corroborate he said it.

I believe I was referring to refuting something vs. partially confirming it, not getting caught lying about something vs. having a story for it.

[mannc]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

The tanking claim was his best shot.  "Fake interviews" are hard to prove and even if they happened, so what?  What harm is done?  He would have to prove he was harmed by a fake interview process (as opposed to no interview at all) to succeed in his suit. Good luck....

The tanking claim was certainly the most explosive allegation in the complaint, but even if it was true, I'm not sure what damages Flores could have proven.  The harm would have been to the league, not to him personally.  I don't know how hard or easy it would have been to prove the other stuff...that's why we've got discovery. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

I believe I was referring to refuting something vs. partially confirming it, not getting caught lying about something vs. having a story for it.

 

I believe in the past Ross said he wasn't serious about the offer....

2 minutes ago, mannc said:

The tanking claim was certainly the most explosive allegation in the complaint, but even if it was true, I'm not sure what damages Flores could have proven.  The harm would have been to the league, not to him personally.  I don't know how hard or easy it would have been to prove the other stuff...that's why we've got discovery. 

 

 

Well, the League is a Defendant in the suit so......he won't likely claim the League was harmed.

[Augie]

1 hour ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Suddenly, that claim seems to have more traction.

 

It might be included above as I skipped ahead, but I heard language today that says, basically, it doesn’t matter if it was said in jest. You can’t use “joking around about it” as a defense. As it should be, especially from the top guy. You’d still have to prove what you allege, but that excuse has been removed from the table. Again, as it should be. 

[notwoz]

5 hours ago, Warcodered said:

So they do suspend owners, though I'm not sure how much a punishment that is.

I wondered what the impact of suspending an owner would be. Sounds like a non-punishment to me.

[mikemac2001]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

5D chess

 

So if Flores wrote a letter about his concerns I think two things “he wanted a paper trail”

 

He was pissed he was asked and planned to blow this up when he was fired 

 

or he is a B word knowing he was joking and just did it to blow things up when he got fired 

 

- I think he is a good coach and shouldn’t have been fired and should have probably got one of the head coaching jobs that were open but I just think he planned it out 

[Punching Bag]

34 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

And it if Tua misfires a ball and hits the GOAT cheater in the mouth it is just an accident.

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

And it if Tua misfires a ball and hits the GOAT cheater in the mouth it is just an accident.

it probably wouldn't hit him very hard.

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

5 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

I'm still waiting to see if the NFL appeals the Watson ruling and allows Goodell to hand down his own suspension.  They are not obligated to accept that ruling.

If “The NFL” appeals….who is actually doing the appealing?
 

5 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

Watson only tampered with female massage therapists.

If Ross would have been hanging out with Kraft, he would have gotten off lighter.

[Freddie's Dead]

19 minutes ago, ControllerOfPlanetX said:

If Ross would have been hanging out with Kraft, he would have gotten off lighter.

 

[stuvian]

it's becoming clearer by the day that these owners are the most ruthless, ethically challenged scumbags to walk the earth and Goodell is their enabler.

 

All that cheating and the Dolphins still suck!

 

So when will we be awarded the division by default?

[Orlando Tim]

It appears to me that the punishments to teams and players is decided by a special magic 8 ball that is exclusively available to NFL HQ

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, notwoz said:

I wondered what the impact of suspending an owner would be. Sounds like a non-punishment to me.

 

The impact is that it will neutralize the NFLPA claim (and dull a potential argument in Federal court) that the NFL doesn't punish the owners the way it does players, thus paving the way for a yearlong suspension for Watson.  

[Malazan]

2 hours ago, mikemac2001 said:

- I think he is a good coach and shouldn’t have been fired and should have probably got one of the head coaching jobs that were open but I just think he planned it out 

 

He was a horrible coach and should have been fired. He should have worried more about his team and playing football than covering his arse and wanting people to refer to him as the next Belichick. 

[Scott7975]

27 minutes ago, stuvian said:

it's becoming clearer by the day that these owners are the most ruthless, ethically challenged scumbags to walk the earth and Goodell is their enabler.

 

All that cheating and the Dolphins still suck!

 

So when will we be awarded the division by default?

 

They are?  How about corporations that have poisoned the world forever and just keep doing it while raking in billions?

[maddenboy]

4 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

And why is Tom Brady not being fined / suspended, he went a long with the tampering knowingly for two seasons and never said a word about it, that guy must have a big collection of knee pads at hand when he visits Rodger…,

i would like to see this brought up loudly when its time for Brady to wanna be an NFL owner.

 

He has hidden behind others for years.  He has hidden behind technicalities.  But you arent supposed to be able to even have that mindset as an owner.

 

Or so we are to believe.

[Don Otreply]

1 minute ago, maddenboy said:

i would like to see this brought up loudly when its time for Brady to wanna be an NFL owner.

 

He has hidden behind others for years.  He has hidden behind technicalities.  But you arent supposed to be able to even have that mindset as an owner.

 

Or so we are to believe.

Exactly, the guy is a walking talking character flaw, 

[What a Tuel]

I don't understand either. Tom Brady is clearly aware of these rules.

 

Does this mean players can just go talk to teams with no repercussions?

[What a Tuel]

Wait now that I think about it, wasn't this all coming out publicly around the time Brady retired? 

 

It is too coincidental. I am theorizing that Brady found out this was coming out and planned to retire after the 2021 season to avoid tainting his "legacy" (already tainted but probably not to him) and getting suspended for the 2022 season which may have been his last.

 

So then he gets assurances from the NFL that he wont get any sort of suspension for this and then unretires. 

[Mr. WEO]

5 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

Wait now that I think about it, wasn't this all coming out publicly around the time Brady retired? 

 

It is too coincidental. I am theorizing that Brady found out this was coming out and planned to retire after the 2021 season to avoid tainting his "legacy" (already tainted but probably not to him) and getting suspended for the 2022 season which may have been his last.

 

So then he gets assurances from the NFL that he wont get any sort of suspension for this and then unretires. 

players don’t get suspended for talking to teams when teams aren’t supposed to be talking to them

[What a Tuel]

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

players don’t get suspended for talking to teams when teams aren’t supposed to be talking to them

 

May be true but even when the player clearly engages back and have active, meetings, and open discussions in response?

 

What is the official tampering rule? Feel like it says "Players may not...." as well as "Teams may not..."

Edited August 3, 2022 by What a Tuel

[chongli]

8 hours ago, mushypeaches said:

Well, after going 6-11 this year, and having very little draft capital in 2023, I think that Stephen Ross will get a second chance at tanking (hopefully more discreetly) to get ready for the 2024 & 2025 drafts

 

Breaks my frigging heart to see this happen to a despised divisional opponent.  I hesitate to call them a "rival" until they next win a game against the Bills

 

Over/under for when Tyreek Hill demands out of Miami this season? I say Week 12.

[YoloinOhio]

55 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

Wait now that I think about it, wasn't this all coming out publicly around the time Brady retired? 

 

It is too coincidental. I am theorizing that Brady found out this was coming out and planned to retire after the 2021 season to avoid tainting his "legacy" (already tainted but probably not to him) and getting suspended for the 2022 season which may have been his last.

 

So then he gets assurances from the NFL that he wont get any sort of suspension for this and then unretires. 

Yes and it flew entirely under the radar 

 

 

[Beast]

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

9 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

I'm still waiting to see if the NFL appeals the Watson ruling and allows Goodell to hand down his own suspension.  They are not obligated to accept that ruling.

 

Yeah but then the risk for Roger and the NFL is Watson and NFLPA sue him and win.  League doesn't want more losses in court as have had enough.  Would think they have a decent chance at winning as this arbitrator stated wasn't enough serious issues or something along those lines.

[Warcodered]