Training Camp practice 8/2

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https://buffalofambase.com/2022/08/02/buffalo-bills-training-camp-tweets-aug-2/

[Mango]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

I'd really like to know why Josh overreacted.  Was very out-of-character.

 

I don't think it was a huge over reaction. You can't touch the QB. Josh spoke to him earlier in practice that he needs to pull  back. Then JP gives him a little pop after the whistle. It is not particularly egregious but it certainly disrespectful and subversive.

 

You don't touch the QB in the red jersey in practice. Before the whistle. 

Touching him after the whistle is sacrilege. 
You become hyper protective if he is a top 5 QB. 

When said top 5 QB pulls you aside to tell you you need to pull back a bit. You stay away and mouth off about how you coulda gotten him if it weren't for the jersey. 

The fact that JP did that post whistle after Josh had already talked to him is absolutely wild to me. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Is it just me or does this seem like the most competitive camp we’ve had in a long time? 

[Logic]

I obviously don't want to see Jordan Poyer miss any time at all. He's an All-Pro and a bona fide stud at safety.

That said, if -- IF -- he has to miss any time, I'm excited to see what Jaquan Johnson and Damar Hamlin can do in his place. It's possible that one or both of them are in line to be the successors at safety in the coming years. Both have made plays at times and garnered praise from the coaching staff. 

Heck, even behind them, the Bills have Nick McCloud and potentially Christian Benford. Two talented youngsters who came into the league as corners but have either seen time at safety (McCloud) or been discussed as an option to get snaps there (Benford).

Might be time for the youngsters to step up and show their stuff.

[Roundybout]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

Saffold has been banged up, struggles in pass protection, and has fallen off a bit the past couple years so I was hoping for someone younger and better to really solidify the unit inside….like an Andrew Norwell and I was hoping for better competition at RT than Quessenberry who sucked in pass protection last season when he played.… either way, I would’ve prioritized it more than the defensive line. A strong offensive line and keeping Josh upright is more imperative to their success than is a strong 8 man defensive line rotation IMO. 
 

Peters is still out there, maybe they bring him in if things turn bad to start the season and he’s still available and willing. 

Peters is 40, there’s no way he has anything left in the tank. 

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1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Is it just me or does this seem like the most competitive camp we’ve had in a long time? 

Feels like this is a tough roster to make, and there is some serious competition at spots.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Kaenon]

2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

 

 

Interesting drill from Chad Hall for the WR, is this common?

Isn't Parrino the reporter with the fighting background?

Man, look at Davis's thighs.

He really had been hitting the gym - geeze.

[K-9]

25 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

That's because the DL depth are rotational starters, not backups. The backup to Dion Dawkins is only going to see the field if Dawkins gets injured. Settle and Phillips are going to see something like 30% of the snaps. Every team in the league rotates their DL, it isn't McDermott specific. So of course the DL depth will always look better than other positions' depth.

You’d think this would be rather obvious to anyone who has watched games around the league for a while, especially since more emphasis was placed on the passing game league wide. DL depth is simply a higher priority given the nature of the game today. 

[JaCrispy]

8 minutes ago, Logic said:

I obviously don't want to see Jordan Poyer miss any time at all. He's an All-Pro and a bona fide stud at safety.

That said, if -- IF -- he has to miss any time, I'm excited to see what Jaquan Johnson and Damar Hamlin can do in his place. It's possible that one or both of them are in line to be the successors at safety in the coming years. Both have made plays at times and garnered praise from the coaching staff. 

Heck, even behind them, the Bills have Nick McCloud and potentially Christian Benford. Two talented youngsters who came into the league as corners but have either seen time at safety (McCloud) or been discussed as an option to get snaps there (Benford).

Might be time for the youngsters to step up and show their stuff.

Same here…I wish the best for Poyer…with regards to the team, we have plenty of depth 👍

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

Saffold has been banged up, struggles in pass protection, and has fallen off a bit the past couple years so I was hoping for someone younger and better to really solidify the unit inside….like an Andrew Norwell and I was hoping for better competition at RT than Quessenberry who sucked in pass protection last season when he played.… either way, I would’ve prioritized it more than the defensive line. A strong offensive line and keeping Josh upright is more imperative to their success than is a strong 8 man defensive line rotation IMO. 
 

Peters is still out there, maybe they bring him in if things turn bad to start the season and he’s still available and willing. 

 

Can't hate the Norwell suggestion.  We could've afforded his contract.  It seems that they targeted Saffold from the jump.. we'll see if that was a good decision.  

 

Kromer is a beast, so I'm pretty open to giving his personnel decisions the benefit of the doubt for now.  

 

I just don't know what could have been done at RT.  Sky is the limit for this OL if Brown hits, and they clearly believe in him, but with his injury history.. scary gamble on a guy trusted to protect the Franchise.  

 

RT is becoming as valuable as LT in the modern NFL.  Top tier dudes rarely become available, and if they are, they require 4 yr/Big Dollar investments.  Even if we sacrificed rotational DL guys, we still don't have that money/future cap space, and Phillips is a 1 year deal.. Settle/Jones on 2 year deals.  Nobody on the DL, outside Von, is a vet under contract beyond 2 years.  

 

They opted for Quessenberry, a Kromer fit, who doesn't break the bank but has shown he can start in this league.  I'd be lying if I said that I'm not concerned about RT as of early August, but I just don't know what the answer was.. aside from drafting a Tackle early, but Trevor Penning went 19 and we basically have that same dude entering year 2 in Spencer Brown.  

[fergie's ire]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

Against opponents I expect it. Not a teammate, much less a friend and mentor. 

 

 

They didn’t?

Yeah.  Somebody should have mentioned it.

[ColoradoBills]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Is it just me or does this seem like the most competitive camp we’ve had in a long time? 

 

Even PS players get a ring!

 

12 minutes ago, Logic said:

I obviously don't want to see Jordan Poyer miss any time at all. He's an All-Pro and a bona fide stud at safety.

That said, if -- IF -- he has to miss any time, I'm excited to see what Jaquan Johnson and Damar Hamlin can do in his place. It's possible that one or both of them are in line to be the successors at safety in the coming years. Both have made plays at times and garnered praise from the coaching staff. 
 

 

Wow, first thing I thought of too.  If Poyer is out for any significant length of time I wonder if it would be an open competition between the 2?

Physically I think Hamlin is better suited for SS.

[BillsShredder83]

27 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I don't think it was a huge over reaction. You can't touch the QB. Josh spoke to him earlier in practice that he needs to pull  back. Then JP gives him a little pop after the whistle. It is not particularly egregious but it certainly disrespectful and subversive.

 

You don't touch the QB in the red jersey in practice. Before the whistle. 

Touching him after the whistle is sacrilege. 
You become hyper protective if he is a top 5 QB. 

When said top 5 QB pulls you aside to tell you you need to pull back a bit. You stay away and mouth off about how you coulda gotten him if it weren't for the jersey. 

The fact that JP did that post whistle after Josh had already talked to him is absolutely wild to me. 

Just curious... how do we know josh had already asked him to lay off? Something I missed?

 

 

 

I really don't think any of this will be a big deal, but surprising to hear. Not a smart move, but hoping Phillips is extra motivated and has a chip on his shoulder from arz, the way he had one coming from mia

[Don Otreply]

9 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:

Most of America are out of weight and in terrible shape. We have a terrible drinking/eating culture here. Mafia included. 

True, we have a mostly unfit population, if you are around my age, 64, there were very few fat people to be seen out and about when we were growing up, nowadays many children, teens, young  and middle age adults, are to me shockingly overweight and unfit, yet we all know the solution, it is the balance of calories in calories out, all food/drink calories, regardless of origin, not burned by being alive or through activity, are stored in one’s body as fat, yet folk love to pretend otherwise…,  being reasonably active/fit, and eating a reasonably good diet is the only way to live an active life into one’s inevitable old age… 

 

[Jerry Jabber]

Astro’s daily TC report:
 

https://buffalofambase.com/2022/08/02/astro-notes-6-august-2-2022/

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1 hour ago, Doc said:

Against opponents I expect it. Not a teammate, much less a friend and mentor. 

 

 

They didn’t?

 

[RobbRiddick]

31 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

Then JP gives him a little pop after the whistle.

 

I got momentarily confused then. I thought maybe Josh had got into a fight with Losman. That would be surreal 

[eball]

1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

You know something Don it's a little strange how some fans see the camp/preseason games.

We constantly hear how no one wants starters to play the preseason BUT everyone freaks out when players are kept out of

camp practices with minor injuries.  It seems to me missing some time and resting these guys to get 100% is the smart thing.

 

If the O-Line isn't fielding the starters until preseason games they can always get snaps with Keenum at QB.

 

This seems to happen every camp under McDermott.  Bills are known for holding these guys out and being overly cautious early in the year.  

I love that you called him Don

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[RobbRiddick]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Wow, he's like the total opposite of Zach Wilson. He's more popular with the over 70s

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Just now, YoloinOhio said:

 

Got to think Josh is thinking "This is going to be a thing now isn't." after getting asked to sign his second baby.

[ColoradoBills]

6 minutes ago, eball said:

I love that you called him Don

 

 

Old age is a B word!

[Roundybout]

28 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

He was way better than anything Spencer Brown or Darryl Williams offered last season. 

Darryl Williams I’ll give you, but Spencer Brown is a damn fine player. 

[BillsShredder83]

5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Knowing Josh's sense of humor, there's no way the Ricky Bobby baby autograph didnt cross his mind 😆😆

[Mango]

17 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Just curious... how do we know josh had already asked him to lay off? Something I missed?

 

 

 

I really don't think any of this will be a big deal, but surprising to hear. Not a smart move, but hoping Phillips is extra motivated and has a chip on his shoulder from arz, the way he had one coming from mia

 

There were reports that earlier in practice JP had made contact with Keenum and Josh pulled him aside and told him to back off.

 

More than anything I think this is a tough roster to make at the moment, so low end guys like Phillips show up with much more stress than usual. 

[ddaryl]

23 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

True, we have a mostly unfit population, if you are around my age, 64, there were very few fat people to be seen out and about when we were growing up, nowadays many children, teens, young  and middle age adults, are to me shockingly overweight and unfit, yet we all know the solution, it is the balance of calories in calories out, all food/drink calories, regardless of origin, not burned by being alive or through activity, are stored in one’s body as fat, yet folk love to pretend otherwise…,  being reasonably active/fit, and eating a reasonably good diet is the only way to live an active life into one’s inevitable old age… 

 

Add in the fact there is a pizza wings, sub shop on every corner in WNY, A few generations now have lived this reality.

When I was growing up it was a large and small pizza a bucket of wings almost every weekend.

Then if I went to B-Day party or Boy scouts or any other event the odds are there was going to be pizza and wings there.

Add in that I would go out for Burgers and fries often in between I'm lucky I'm just a type 2 diabetic.

I have refined my diet quite well since being diagnosed, but I should of seen it coming. 3 of my 4 Grandparents were type 2 diabetics who had complications. I did learn a lot of what not to do watching them.

Too many carbs with saturated fats is a killer, and that's what the American / Western Diet is. Pizza and Wings, Burgers and Fries etc...

Edited August 2, 2022 by ddaryl

[Brand J]

5 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

There were reports that earlier in practice JP had made contact with Keenum and Josh pulled him aside and told him to back off.

 

More than anything I think this is a tough roster to make at the moment, so low end guys like Phillips show up with much more stress than usual. 

I agree 100%, don’t put anything extra on the guy in red, however, did you see the “hit” from the second angle? The first angle wasn’t as clear, so I couldn’t see how much of a shoulder Jordan gave him, but the 2nd angle showed a “much ado about nothing,” tap, even for the guy in red.

 

 

[WyoAZBillfan]

45 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Saffold has been banged up, struggles in pass protection, and has fallen off a bit the past couple years so I was hoping for someone younger and better to really solidify the unit inside….like an Andrew Norwell and I was hoping for better competition at RT than Quessenberry who sucked in pass protection last season when he played.… either way, I would’ve prioritized it more than the defensive line. A strong offensive line and keeping Josh upright is more imperative to their success than is a strong 8 man defensive line rotation IMO. 
 

Peters is still out there, maybe they bring him in if things turn bad to start the season and he’s still available and willing. 

The results of last playoff game show different. Josh was upright and succeeding, defense on the other hand…not so much getting home to Pat. 

[Brand J]

Also, it’s almost daily Terrell Bernard is receiving some sort of praise. We may have a playmaker, ladies and gents!

[Milanos Milano]

20 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

 

Wow, he's like the total opposite of Zach Wilson. He's more popular with the over 70s

Well yeah, that tends to happen when you listen to Sinatra. 

[78thealltimegreat]

Think these guys are just ready to hit something in a different colored jersey at this point

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, JayBaller10 said:

Also, it’s almost daily Terrell Bernard is receiving some sort of praise. We may have a playmaker, ladies and gents!

You could tell he was going to be. I even said the instincts oozed from him when drafted. The mental speed is a breath of fresh air. 

[njbuff]

If you go by what is being said.....

 

the Bills 2022 draft class is the greatest draft class in the history of the NFL. 😁

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

19 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

You could tell he was going to be. I even said the instincts oozed from him when drafted. The mental speed is a breath of fresh air. 

Bernard is the complete opposite of Edmunds in every way. Edmunds had great size and testing, but questionable instincts. Bernard is tiny, but has amazing instincts. I think Bernard could be a steal with the upside of guys like Lavonte David or Demario Davis.

Edited August 2, 2022 by Allen2Diggs

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

Against opponents I expect it. Not a teammate, much less a friend and mentor.

 

Dude, these are Alpha males.  Once the pads go on, they're competitors.  Phillips is gonna push the boundaries a bit to say "I'm right here.  I'm right in your face.  I woulda had you" and Allen is going to respond "Late hit, Have this!"

 

It's not surprising to me,  but You do You.  And they've had what, 3 seasons apart since Phillips was there every day?

[MiltonWaddams]

7 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Well yeah, that tends to happen when you listen to Sinatra. 

@Robb Riddick was speaking to Zach Wilson being popular with the aged population..... especially the aged female population....especially his moms best friend....especially when his girlfriend finds them in bed and leaves him for his former best friend....dots connected for ya....

[Brand J]

4 minutes ago, Allen2Diggs said:

Bernard is the complete opposite of Edmunds in every way. Edmunds had great size and testing, but questionable instincts. Bernard is tiny, tested poorly, but has amazing instincts. I think Bernard could be a steal with the upside of guys like Lavonte David or Demario Davis.

Actually Bernard tested extremely well in terms of athleticism, even better than Milano. His size was his only hindrance. 
 

https://ras.football/ras-information/?PlayerID=21084

[Roundybout]

13 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

You could tell he was going to be. I even said the instincts oozed from him when drafted. The mental speed is a breath of fresh air. 

Agreed, I know a lot of people were upset by the pick, but I truly believe a player like him is the answer to the crazy good tight ends in the league now like Andrews and Gisicki.