Julio to Tampa

[BADOLBILZ]

 

The Bills reportedly had interest in Julio earlier in the offseason but I don't think there was any chance he would come to Buffalo over Tampa for near the same money.

 

Tampa is the #1 short term destination in the league right now..........Buffalo is not a close second........Brady is the GOAT with 7 SB rings........Tampa was better than the Bills last year and also beat them head to head as well.........and Florida has great fall/winter weather and no state income tax.   

[Mr. WEO]

6 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

 Along with a 3.6 YAC/R.

 

 

careful with that...

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

 It is wishful thinking to expect both those guys to remain healthy for a 17 game season… and Davis seems to be hobbled every year.

Washed Emmanuel Sanders? Nah… give me OBJ and let him sit and recover until December.

 

he still wouldn't make it to February

[MiltonWaddams]

2 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

The Summer HGH program, is going well..

 

That post was a poorly placed joke about Mr. Jones and me, the lyric in that song by counting crows in that video. I got it, but I could not give it a laugh emoji.

[Nelius]

Is Green Bay inept or just trolling Rodgers at this point? On the same day that their big FA WR signing Sammy Watkins goes on the injury list. It sounds like they had some interest and maybe Julio just said nope to that whole mess, but I'm dumbfounded by what they're giving Rodgers.

 

9 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I still don’t understand what people think the Bills are supposed to do? Just stockpile starting WRs on the bench just in case?

 

 

Feels like this comes up weekly in the offseason, but some just don't understand that very few teams in the NFL have great WR depth. There is definitely no team with 5 incredible WRs, as if you can load some super team offense like it's the NBA. The unicorns with more than a couple are really only Cincy and Tampa Bay, and even Cincy's depth is questionable. Therefore the news that Shakir is already flashing in training camp is pretty nice. If he contributes at all, and McKenzie and Crowder do what they normally do, then our WR depth is pretty much top tier. 

Edited July 27, 2022 by Nelius

[TheWeatherMan]

3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Isn’t that exactly what the Bucs are doing? 😅

This is the Bucs last year of relevancy.  They are all in before they are completely dismantled next year.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

5 hours ago, NewEra said:

Tampa is stockpiling….. but that’s ok?

 

Evans is getting paid.  Godwin is getting paid.  They paid Gage 10M per year.  They have backups Tyler Johnson and Perriman on the outside already.  Yet they sign Julio…..because adding a guy like Julio will likely only help a team win games.  
 

A team that won the SB 2 years ago is stocking up on guys that play outside…. We’re expecting them to continue to add talent.  We’re the SB favorite….we have the best qb in the league….. players will take discounts to play with us…..but we aren’t signing any.  We want our FO to take advantage of being the best team in the league and add more talent at the positions that we’re weak.  We lack outside Wr depth.   This isn’t an opinion, it’s the truth.  The Bucs didn’t lack outside wr depth…. Yet they signed him.  What do Bucs fans expect?

That’s Tampa. One team. Godwin is also coming off an ACL. 

Tampa has great WR depth. Bills have great DL depth. That’s where they wanted to pour assets into. 
 

 

4 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Isn’t that exactly what the Bucs are doing? 😅

So basically you believe Julio Jones wanted to come sit the bench in Buffalo on a cheap contract but Beane said no?

 

Edited July 27, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Doc Brown]

5 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

The Bills reportedly had interest in Julio earlier in the offseason but I don't think there was any chance he would come to Buffalo over Tampa for near the same money.

 

Tampa is the #1 short term destination in the league right now..........Buffalo is not a close second........Brady is the GOAT with 7 SB rings........Tampa was better than the Bills last year and also beat them head to head as well.........and Florida has great fall/winter weather and no state income tax.   

Yeah.  I'm guessing the Bucs didn't have to make much of a sales pitch.  Plus, he was born and raised in the South.  Played college and pro ball there.  Pry wasn't going to Buffalo, New England, or Green Bay unless they overpaid.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

56 minutes ago, Nelius said:

Is Green Bay inept or just trolling Rodgers at this point? On the same day that their big FA WR signing Sammy Watkins goes on the injury list. It sounds like they had some interest and maybe Julio just said nope to that whole mess, but I'm dumbfounded by what they're giving Rodgers.

 

 

Feels like this comes up weekly in the offseason, but some just don't understand that very few teams in the NFL have great WR depth. There is definitely no team with 5 incredible WRs, as if you can load some super team offense like it's the NBA. The unicorns with more than a couple are really only Cincy and Tampa Bay, and even Cincy's depth is questionable. Therefore the news that Shakir is already flashing in training camp is pretty nice. If he contributes at all, and McKenzie and Crowder do what they normally do, then our WR depth is pretty much top tier. 

I think what happened is everyone got their hopes up for Jameson Williams in the draft. I would’ve loved Williams but he didn’t get close to our pick. Olave, Burks, and Dotson all went much higher than expected earlier in the draft process.

 

The Bills drafted a WR that plays all over the field. He’s also having a great camp so far.

 

In free agency I’m not sure what exactly people wanted them to do? Who exactly are you feeling comfortable starting if Diggs gets hurt? Julio Jones, Will Fuller, and OBJ on the bench sounds amazing. None of these WRs stay healthy. After those guys who makes you feel comfortable starting? 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

My answer to the "what would you rather they do?" crowd is that I'd rather they not prioritise yet another overhaul of the interior defensive line and maybe spend some of that money on some outside receiver depth. 

 

The ship has sailed now though. We have no cap space in any event. A move is coming somewhere. The obvious one that clears spafe for this year is an Edmunds extension but not sure I love that long term. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

My answer to the "what would you rather they do?" crowd is that I'd rather they not prioritise yet another overhaul of the interior defensive line and maybe spend some of that money on some outside receiver depth. 

 

The ship has sailed now though. We have no cap space in any event. A move is coming somewhere. The obvious one that clears spafe for this year is an Edmunds extension but not sure I love that long term. 

I’ll ask again, who did you want? You never answer. 

[GunnerBill]

38 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I’ll ask again, who did you want? You never answer. 

 

I'd have been interested in DJ Chark personally at the expense of one of the 3 defensive tackles. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Well, Tampa IS God's waiting room 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

19 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'd have been interested in DJ Chark personally at the expense of one of the 3 defensive tackles. 

I like Chark. He definitely would have added depth and challenge Davis for his position and targets. 

 

I dont think that was realistic unless you signed him as WR2. He definitely would’ve improved depth. He turned down some bigger deals. 

 

How about anyone available now or possible cuts/trade? Honestly the guy I think Buffalo should look at is in Tampa. Breshad Perriman.

 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I like Chark. He definitely would have added depth and challenge Davis for his position and targets. 

 

I dont think that was realistic unless you signed him as WR2. He definitely would’ve improved depth. He turned down some bigger deals. 

 

How about anyone available now or possible cuts/trade? Honestly the guy I think Buffalo should look at is in Tampa. Breshad Perriman.

 

 

The other guy who might have been more a "come here and be the #3 outside guy" is Tre'Quan Smith from the Saints. Davis's former teammate at UCF. He is still a significant upgrade on Kumerow and wasn't going to be looking necessarily for a shot to be a featured guy (which is a fair point on Chark). He signed a cheap deal to stay with the Saints. I wasn't after a superstar - Julio or OJB etc... I just want to be more comfortable with the depth at outside receiver than I am with Kumerow (who is a borderline NFL talent). 

 

I get it, we have a very good roster, it comes across as nit picking, but at the same time my argument is that they prioritised another expensive revamp of the defensive front (Von obviously is a deal you always prioritise.... but 3 decent contracts to DTs....) I just think one of those could have gone to a moderate upgrade on Kumerow. 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The other guy who might have been more a "come here and be the #3 outside guy" is Tre'Quan Smith from the Saints. Davis's former teammate at UCF. He is still a significant upgrade on Kumerow and wasn't going to be looking necessarily for a shot to be a featured guy (which is a fair point on Chark). He signed a cheap deal to stay with the Saints. I wasn't after a superstar - Julio or OJB etc... I just want to be more comfortable with the depth at outside receiver than I am with Kumerow (who is a borderline NFL talent). 

 

I get it, we have a very good roster, it comes across as nit picking, but at the same time my argument is that they prioritised another expensive revamp of the defensive front (Von obviously is a deal you always prioritise.... but 3 decent contracts to DTs....) I just think one of those could have gone to a moderate upgrade on Kumerow. 

 

Did you happen to catch Brandon Beane on WGR yesterday? He agreed with you, we’re slot heavy. He also says Shakir is more of a slot guy. 
 

He said we’ll continue to look for outside depth.
 

 

Edited July 27, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Southern_Bills]

Julio should retire, he was definitely the best WR in the league for a minute. I just hate to see once great players continue to take the money knowing they are not even a fraction of what they were.

 

Go enjoy your money, start a business. 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Did you happen to catch Brandon Beane on WGR yesterday? He agreed with you, we’re slot heavy. He also says Shakir is more of a slot guy. 
 

He said we’ll continue to look for outside depth.
 

 

I did. And he is right. Sadly I think the ship has sailed. I think we have enough flex with the guys we have if Diggs or Davis were to miss a game or two we could get away with some of Crowder and Shakir playing as the X on a lot of drags and in cuts and maybe McKenzie a bit as the Z and running go routes and then moving the remaining one of Diggs and Davis around and creating mismatches and using Kumerow in redzone packages. But if either one missed any sort of serious time I would be concerned that defenses would cotton on and it would leave us short. It's not a massive deal, I'm not saying it can sink our season.... but when you are where the Bills are where anything other than a long term injury to Josh would have us at worst in contention come playoff time we are bound to look at the small margins. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

13 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I still don’t understand what people think the Bills are supposed to do? Just stockpile starting WRs on the bench just in case?

 

Can they put them on a retainer, like you would a lawyer? 🤔

[atlbillsfan1975]

12 hours ago, NewEra said:

Missed opportunity.  Let’s hope it doesn’t bite us in the butt

Not really. Julio is always hurt. He was barely ever able to practice his last few years in Atlanta because of injuries. It didn’t impact his play as much because he and Matt Ryan had good a well established connection. When it began spilling over to missing games, he was traded to Tenn. 

I put the over under at 9 games he plays in for Tampa. 

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Did you happen to catch Brandon Beane on WGR yesterday? He agreed with you, we’re slot heavy. He also says Shakir is more of a slot guy. 
 

He said we’ll continue to look for outside depth.
 

 

 

 

Cue the "we don't need depth on the boundary" crew in 3...2...1...

 

Nah, just kidding.

 

Guys like @Logic and @eball and yourself have known that the Bills are very thin on the boundary........if Kumerow is your #3 you have one of the worst #3 boundary options in the NFL.  

 

Your homerish natures just doesn't allow you to admit it unless Brandon Beane says it himself.

[H2o]

3 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Well, Tampa IS God's waiting room 

Next up, Duane Brown and Jason Peters

[eball]

45 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Cue the "we don't need depth on the boundary" crew in 3...2...1...

 

Nah, just kidding.

 

Guys like @Logic and @eball and yourself have known that the Bills are very thin on the boundary........if Kumerow is your #3 you have one of the worst #3 boundary options in the NFL.  

 

Your homerish natures just doesn't allow you to admit it unless Brandon Beane says it himself.

 

Oh for crissake, get over yourself.  Calling me a homer isn't an insult and doesn't bother me.

 

And nobody I've seen has said the Bills have outside receiver depth...we're just not chicken littling it to death.  We're also suggesting that the Bills are figuring out ways to use their weapons.

 

Such a tool.

 

[Big Turk]

Dude is just about washed...can't stay healthy...tho if anyone can help him regain his form it's Brady.

[HOUSE]

24 catches 247 yards 1 TD

[FilthyBeast]

If he's healthy definitely gives the Bucs another weapon and looks like he's essentially replacing Antonio Brown's role in Tampa.

 

Going to see a lot of other vets who are chasing a ring sign with contenders soon like our old friend and rapper Beasely.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

34 minutes ago, eball said:

Such a tool.

"That's what she said!"

[H2o]

For everyone going on and on about this, Julio Jones has only made it 9 and 10 games the last two seasons. He's 33 years old. His body is breaking down. The DL as a whole required an overhaul because Star, Vernon Butler, Addison, Obada, and Hughes were underwhelming. We also weren't going to pay Harry the $$$ he got from Minnesota. We needed a legit, proven pass rusher and got Von Miller. Settle is an upgrade. Jones is an upgrade. Phillips knows the defense and is an upgrade. Lawson knows the defense and is an upgrade. Also, show me how many teams whose #4 WR (basically what the 3rd man up on the outside is) are "great" players. We legitimately have one of the best rosters from top to bottom in the ENTIRE NFL and people are on here pissing and moaning about Julio signing with Tampa. It's pretty amazing. 

Edited July 27, 2022 by H2o

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, H2o said:

For everyone going on and on about this, Julio Jones has only made it 9 and 10 games the last two seasons. He's 33 years old. His body is breaking down. The DL as a whole required an overhaul because Star, Vernon Butler, Addison, Obada, and Hughes were underwhelming. We also weren't going to pay Harry the $$$ he got from Minnesota. We needed a legit, proven pass rusher and got Von Miller. Settle is an upgrade. Jones is an upgrade. Phillips knows the defense and is an upgrade. Lawson knows the defense and is an upgrade. Also, show me how many teams whose #4 WR (basically what the 3rd man up on the outside is) are "great" players. We legitimately have one of the best rosters from top to bottom in the ENTIRE NFL and people are on here pissing and moaning about Julio signing with Tampa. It's pretty amazing. 

 

Nobody is denying we have one of the best rosters. But when you have one of the best rosters and the expectations are as high as they are we are bound as fans to zero in on the small stuff. Is it great to be talking about concerns with outside receiver depth compared to the days when we didn't have 11 serviceable starters on either side of the ball? Yes. But that isn't a reason not to discuss it. And maybe all 3 defensive tackles will be upgrades (I actually like all 3 players) but did we need all 3 to make sure we had two excellent lines of depth at defensive tackle, or could we have gone for 2 and then spent that final bit of change on an additional option at outside receiver? 

 

And to be clear I am not moaning about Julio going to Tampa. But my concern about being one injury away from Jake Kumerow has been pretty consistent since April. 

[H2o]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Nobody is denying we have one of the best rosters. But when you have one of the best rosters and the expectations are as high as they are we are bound as fans to zero in on the small stuff. Is it great to be talking about concerns with outside receiver depth compared to the days when we didn't have 11 serviceable starters on either side of the ball? Yes. But that isn't a reason not to discuss it. And maybe all 3 defensive tackles will be upgrades (I actually like all 3 players) but did we need all 3 to make sure we had two excellent lines of depth at defensive tackle, or could we have gone for 2 and then spent that final bit of change on an additional option at outside receiver? 

 

And to be clear I am not moaning about Julio going to Tampa. But my concern about being one injury away from Jake Kumerow has been pretty consistent since April. 

Wasn't singling you out my friend, just giving an in general take over what I was reading throughout the entire thread. Some people are moaning about Julio signing in Tampa, like we're supposed to sign every guy available.  It's just not going to happen.  

[Chicken Boo]

4 hours ago, Southern_Bills said:

Julio should retire, he was definitely the best WR in the league for a minute. I just hate to see once great players continue to take the money knowing they are not even a fraction of what they were.

 

Go enjoy your money, start a business. 

 

Julio seems to always have lingering hamstring injuries, but when he's on the field he's still plenty good.  Only 33 years old.  He averaged 14ypc with Tannehill as his QB and 15.1 the year before (his last in Atlanta).

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Not really. Julio is always hurt. He was barely ever able to practice his last few years in Atlanta because of injuries. It didn’t impact his play as much because he and Matt Ryan had good a well established connection. When it began spilling over to missing games, he was traded to Tenn. 

I put the over under at 9 games he plays in for Tampa. 

Maybe.  Maybe not.  Determining the future in your brain is often incorrect.
 

He would be a depth player.  His snaps would be limited.  As of now, our outside depth is nil.  He would’ve been one of the better options still available.  Hopefully we’ll add someone else 

[Don Otreply]

18 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Until Davis or Diggs inevitably get hurt…. 

The super nova of pessimism sends its warning rays yet again…, 

[Logic]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Cue the "we don't need depth on the boundary" crew in 3...2...1...

 

Nah, just kidding.

 

Guys like @Logic and @eball and yourself have known that the Bills are very thin on the boundary........if Kumerow is your #3 you have one of the worst #3 boundary options in the NFL.  

 

Your homerish natures just doesn't allow you to admit it unless Brandon Beane says it himself.

Love ya, buddy. Thanks for thinking of me!

[H2o]

Here's another thing we weren't going to do, give him $6M and a possible $2M in incentives. 

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/07/27/julio-jones-gets-6-million-to-sign-with-up-to-2-million-in-incentives/

 

Quote

Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports that the Jones deal is worth $6 million in base pay, with up to $2 million in incentives.

 

[Don Otreply]

14 hours ago, Doc said:

You mean HGH, er, TB12?

What? There’s no Peds in the NFL, how dare you insinuate such a thing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

😂

[DCofNC]

14 hours ago, NewEra said:

Tampa is stockpiling….. but that’s ok?

 

Evans is getting paid.  Godwin is getting paid.  They paid Gage 10M per year.  They have backups Tyler Johnson and Perriman on the outside already.  Yet they sign Julio…..because adding a guy like Julio will likely only help a team win games.  
 

A team that won the SB 2 years ago is stocking up on guys that play outside…. We’re expecting them to continue to add talent.  We’re the SB favorite….we have the best qb in the league….. players will take discounts to play with us…..but we aren’t signing any.  We want our FO to take advantage of being the best team in the league and add more talent at the positions that we’re weak.  We lack outside Wr depth.   This isn’t an opinion, it’s the truth.  The Bucs didn’t lack outside wr depth…. Yet they signed him.  What do Bucs fans expect?

Whoa, you are going to get the Beane slobbers upset with logic like this.  The Bills are THIN at skill positions and nobody wants to admit it. Shakir better show up big, that’s a tall task for a 5th round rookie.  It’s like nobody wants to look at the roster and believe there’s 1 player who’s ever had a 1000 yard season, your #2 that “exploded” last year, had the same 600 yards he did as a rookie.  I’m not saying he won’t step up, but that lack of difference makers on this team is resounding.  Overall “good” players, quite a few on the roster, but good is the enemy of great.  We can’t keep rolling with “good enough” and relying on JA to be great.  That was proved last game.  JA did it all, but the coaches blew multiple calls in 13 seconds all while trying to hide their “good” players from being burned by great ones.  It may work if Allen plays at a transcendent level, but even Brady had a few great weapons for all his winning. 

[NewEra]

32 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Whoa, you are going to get the Beane slobbers upset with logic like this.  The Bills are THIN at skill positions and nobody wants to admit it. Shakir better show up big, that’s a tall task for a 5th round rookie.  It’s like nobody wants to look at the roster and believe there’s 1 player who’s ever had a 1000 yard season, your #2 that “exploded” last year, had the same 600 yards he did as a rookie.  I’m not saying he won’t step up, but that lack of difference makers on this team is resounding.  Overall “good” players, quite a few on the roster, but good is the enemy of great.  We can’t keep rolling with “good enough” and relying on JA to be great.  That was proved last game.  JA did it all, but the coaches blew multiple calls in 13 seconds all while trying to hide their “good” players from being burned by great ones.  It may work if Allen plays at a transcendent level, but even Brady had a few great weapons for all his winning. 

Lots of people admit it.  Some people just trust the process more than others.  I trust it too, but i was hoping we’d add another outside WR for depth.  Maybe shakir can do it!  Maybe Austin can do it?  Maybe crowder can fill in?  Maybe Mckenzie?  I do think they have a plan for if Davis or Diggs get hurt….but I just don’t know what it is by looking at the depth chart

[DCofNC]

11 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Lots of people admit it.  Some people just trust the process more than others.  I trust it too, but i was hoping we’d add another outside WR for depth.  Maybe shakir can do it!  Maybe Austin can do it?  Maybe crowder can fill in?  Maybe Mckenzie?  I do think they have a plan for if Davis or Diggs get hurt….but I just don’t know what it is by looking at the depth chart

I don’t really trust that part of the process, we have seen too many times where they go into the year at key positions incredibly thin and it bites them.  I can’t see a plan, you can’t count on a 5th round rookie to take over, Crowder is a slot guy, and there’s no veteran depth at all.  It looks like the ole “we’ll cross that bridge if we get there” plan.  I hope we don’t get there.  I’m sure they have Sanders on speed dial, and probably have him lined up to bring on the practice squad late in the year for a playoff run (if he’s still trying to play for a ring).   They rely entirely too much on Allen to do it all.  I’m not saying Julio was the answer as he had a really down year last year and I don’t know if he’s ever coming back to the old form, but somebody like him would sure be a nice safety net.  Just getting digs an in series rest takes away any credible threat out there for the D.

[GoBills808]

16 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Lots of people admit it.  Some people just trust the process more than others.  I trust it too, but i was hoping we’d add another outside WR for depth.  Maybe shakir can do it!  Maybe Austin can do it?  Maybe crowder can fill in?  Maybe Mckenzie?  I do think they have a plan for if Davis or Diggs get hurt….but I just don’t know what it is by looking at the depth chart

Maybe Hodgins can do it