Kim Pegula Progressing Well

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, JoeF said:

Is football a team game, like baseball?  I could see Kim playing the Al Capone role from the Untouchables when she is off the Injury list.  

 

 

 

What a terrible movie.  I'm a huge DeNiro and Mafia movies fan but this was more Unwatchable than Untouchable.  

Edited June 29, 2022 by Royale with Cheese

[4merper4mer]

2 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Great response.  I really appreciate the thoughtful discussion.   I think you're right in theory, and I agree with you, but the Pegulas are living in the real world, not a theoretical world. 

 

Yes, it's great that the Pegulas may be modeling the right behavior and asking everyone who's interested in this stuff to grow up and behave the way we should.  I agree with that.  But in a retail business, and they for sure are in a retail business, do you succeed by giving people what you think they need or by giving them what they want?    Amazon gives me what I want, and I come back.  My local cable company gives me what they think I should want, and I'm ready to dump them.  That's why I said "if I were their public relations person."  The practical reality for someone in their position is that this is a public relations issue.   It's all well and good for them to teach us to behave in ways we don't normally behave, but that isn't good public relations.   On the other hand, at some point there's a limit, and they are at the limit - there are some things that are just personal and that's it.  

 

As I said, I think the solution is to be smarter about the public relations and still say there's a limit.   That is, just be a little more more active in saying something, even if that something is "there's nothing new to report, and please continue to respect our privacy."

 

And I have not at all missed the point that you're never going to satisfy all the people.   But I'd guess there are 500,000 people who are very interested in what's going on because they care about Kim.  I know that as the days turned into a week or more without news, I began coming here more often, because I was worried and was getting anxious.   By just being a little active giving news, even if it's "no news," they ease the minds of a lot of those people.   That would meet the needs of at least a couple hundred thousand people, without in any way violating their privacy.  Yes, some other people will be idiots about it, but a good PR person knows he isn't going to win over everyone.   

 

Terry's a big boy.   He's used to making hard decisions, and he's used to taking advice.   I'm surprised the Bills' PR people aren't suggesting, once every four or five days, a simple statement.   Having said that, it truly is a personal decision, so who knows how Terry is feeling right now?   Or Kim?   One of them may be saying "absolutely no."   

I agree it is a good discussion; thanks.  
 

I understand what you’re saying and we’re not far off.  I don’t totally agree on the retail business stuff only because there are a lot of parallels there could be used as similar examples pointing in another direction.  For decades some businesses hired only white guys.  They weren’t really racist but thought their customers wouldn’t do business with a minority or a woman.  This didn’t make it right.  Obviously this is not the same thing but there is a comparison.  Doing the “wrong thing” because it might be better for business can be a slippery slope.  
 

Maybe it’s something like that or something different like being self conscious of the condition.  Norm McDonald just died after battling cancer for almost a decade.  Nobody knew.  It didn’t make it right or wrong for him to resist disclosure…..it was his choice for his reasons.  In fact it may have helped him have the type of life and interactions he enjoyed for years.  Or maybe he missed out on people saying goodbye.  He decided.

[Gugny]

6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

What a terrible movie.  I'm a huge DeNiro and Mafia movies fan but this was more Unwatchable than Untouchable.  

 

I wholeheartedly disagree with you.  This was a great movie, IMO.

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I wholeheartedly disagree with you.  This was a great movie, IMO.

 

Much, much better mafia movie.

 

 

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Much, much better mafia movie.

 

 

 

Since I guess we're technically brothers now, I'll be nice and bring this conversation to a quiet end.  Because we are family.

[Royale with Cheese]

14 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Since I guess we're technically brothers now, I'll be nice and bring this conversation to a quiet end.  Because we are family.

 

Barry Pepper > Sean Connery 

[The Wiz]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Barry Pepper > Sean Connery 

Peppers was better than Connery in 61*.  Hands down. 

[HardyBoy]

I really don't like celebrity culture, it's weird, gross and makes people feel like they need to be something that they can never achieve because only the good or bad stuff is ever talked about (we're all shades of grey). Basically what social media has become in terms of people feeling they need to reach of unachievable standard that they see others reaching, but they themselves always fall short.

 

Additionally, I personally feel empathy for anyone I hear as being in the hospital and their family. I don't know if it is the case here, think it's weird that people would value one person as more worthy of empathy than another, based on their bank account. I don't think that's true either, the people who were shot in Tops didnt have a bunch of money, but recevived a lot of empathy because a lot of people heard about it. Basically, I think people feel empathy when they hear about someone in an awful situation (excluding those that knowingly send a pitchfork and torch weilding crowd to go after "windmills and monsters" which shows that they are in fact the real monsters...like what happens in Frankenstein or Beauty and the Beast).

 

So I don't know...because of her platform a lot of people heard about it, so a lot are feeling empathy. I personally feel more angst for the people that had the same thing happen to them, but did not have access to health care and died as a result (assuming that was on the table here).

 

Equally random people to me, their lives have equal value to me, I'd feel equally empathetic if I heard of either passing away or being injured. So knowing the news is causing an empathetic reaction in a lot of people a reason to give updates? Nah, not if it is a matter of someone who is directly involved feeling better or more in control vs someone experiencing adjacent unrequested empathy, especially if that empathy is a result of toxic celebrity culturem 

 

Also, lol at the people saying we have an expectation of privacy...pretty sure we just recently found out that is very much not the case sadly.

[Shaw66]

28 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

I agree it is a good discussion; thanks.  
 

I understand what you’re saying and we’re not far off.  I don’t totally agree on the retail business stuff only because there are a lot of parallels there could be used as similar examples pointing in another direction.  For decades some businesses hired only white guys.  They weren’t really racist but thought their customers wouldn’t do business with a minority or a woman.  This didn’t make it right.  Obviously this is not the same thing but there is a comparison.  Doing the “wrong thing” because it might be better for business can be a slippery slope.  
 

Maybe it’s something like that or something different like being self conscious of the condition.  Norm McDonald just died after battling cancer for almost a decade.  Nobody knew.  It didn’t make it right or wrong for him to resist disclosure…..it was his choice for his reasons.  In fact it may have helped him have the type of life and interactions he enjoyed for years.  Or maybe he missed out on people saying goodbye.  He decided.

Norm McDonald is a good example.   And Chadwick Boseman.   But I'd say there's a difference between not disclosing at all, which I think that is what they did, and disclosing something that sounds ominous and then not following up.  

 

And Bruce Willis, whose family finally disclosed, and although he hasn't died, they disclosed enough to say "here's the problem, he's retired, and we aren't saying more."  There's some finality to that, no follow-up necessary.   

 

Pegulas just left me hanging without a follow-up when I think a follow-up was necessary.   

 

I get in these discussions because they're interesting to me.   Do I think less of the Pegulas because I didn't hear for a week and a half?  Of course not.   When Kim is healthy and has been back to work for a couple of years, if I had the opportunity to talk to Terry about this, he might say, "yeah it probably would have been better your way," or he might say "no, we did the way we did and we were happy with that."   Either answer would be okay with that. 

 

I think it's interesting that their daughter gave more information than the family release.   That also suggests to me that they don't have their communication strategy about this under control.  I would expect that the kids would have been told not say anything about it publicly.  

 

Whatever.  It's all incidental.   It all sounds like it's generally good news.   She's a young woman, in good shape, and no doubt she's getting great medical care.  I'm looking forward to seeing her back on the job.   

 

 

 

[Bad Things]

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

Mafia means family to us!  And not something to do with violence or organized crime which is just preposterous.

Where else does "mafia" mean "family"?

Anyone who hears the word "mafia" thinks of "the mafia", which is all about organized crime.

[Gugny]

2 minutes ago, Bad Things said:

Where else does "mafia" mean "family"?

Anyone who hears the word "mafia" thinks of "the mafia", which is all about organized crime.

 

But are they really that organized.  I feel like they all end up getting caught because they make mistakes.

[HardyBoy]

11 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

But are they really that organized.  I feel like they all end up getting caught because they make mistakes.

 

Isn't that Survivor Bias, just flipped...you only hear about the ones that got caught and make mistakes?

 

Like saying we need more armor on the wings of planes that came back in WWII with holes. Actually, no, that is exactly where you don't need more armor...the places you need more armor can be found on the planes that got shot down.

[Dr. Who]

8 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

But are they really that organized.  I feel like they all end up getting caught because they make mistakes.

I dunno, Gugny. Do you really want to go there?  Irritate the wrong folks and they introduce you to Jimmy Hoffa.

Edited June 29, 2022 by Dr. Who

[Gugny]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I dunno, Gugny. Do you really want to go there?  Irritate the wrong folks and they introduce you to Jimmy Hoffa.

 

I have no worries.  I'm a made man.

 

Don't ask me what I'm made for, though.

[Jauronimo]

32 minutes ago, Bad Things said:

Where else does "mafia" mean "family"?

Anyone who hears the word "mafia" thinks of "the mafia", which is all about organized crime.

Are you calling Benny the Butcher a liar?

[Augie]

43 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

I really don't like celebrity culture, it's weird, gross and makes people feel like they need to be something that they can never achieve because only the good or bad stuff is ever talked about (we're all shades of grey). Basically what social media has become in terms of people feeling they need to reach of unachievable standard that they see others reaching, but they themselves always fall short.

 

Additionally, I personally feel empathy for anyone I hear as being in the hospital and their family. I don't know if it is the case here, think it's weird that people would value one person as more worthy of empathy than another, based on their bank account. I don't think that's true either, the people who were shot in Tops didnt have a bunch of money, but recevived a lot of empathy because a lot of people heard about it. Basically, I think people feel empathy when they hear about someone in an awful situation (excluding those that knowingly send a pitchfork and torch weilding crowd to go after "windmills and monsters" which shows that they are in fact the real monsters...like what happens in Frankenstein or Beauty and the Beast).

 

So I don't know...because of her platform a lot of people heard about it, so a lot are feeling empathy. I personally feel more angst for the people that had the same thing happen to them, but did not have access to health care and died as a result (assuming that was on the table here).

 

Equally random people to me, their lives have equal value to me, I'd feel equally empathetic if I heard of either passing away or being injured. So knowing the news is causing an empathetic reaction in a lot of people a reason to give updates? Nah, not if it is a matter of someone who is directly involved feeling better or more in control vs someone experiencing adjacent unrequested empathy, especially if that empathy is a result of toxic celebrity culturem 

 

Also, lol at the people saying we have an expectation of privacy...pretty sure we just recently found out that is very much not the case sadly.

 

Excuse me, do you need directions to the Unpopular Opinions thread?  

 

I kid! I kid!!!

 

I don’t see Kim as being part of the celebrity culture. She’s no Kardashian! She didn’t seek attention, it just comes with her high profile.

 

I don’t classify people based upon how well known they are, or how wealthy they are. A soul is a soul, and we all have families and loved ones. Kim is special to me because she played a large role in keeping the Bills in WNY. That matters to me. What matters more is that in assuming her current role, we all got to know her a little bit. She seems to be an incredibly likable person. 

 

My heart was broken for all the families and friends affected by the Tops shooting. Completely! But I knew nothing of them before that awful day. That takes NOTHING away from their importance, but Kim is different. Not better or worse, just different.  

 

I hope that came out the way I felt it in my mind. 

[Royale with Cheese]

I wonder if the mobsters in 2020 had to do their racketeering from home?

[muppy]

2 hours ago, teef said:

i get it.  we all appreciate the pegulas...espeically kim, but this level of involvement is getting a bit too much for me.  we all have our own problems.  i wish her luck and that she gets better, but i'm not sure how anyone puts more mental time into it than that.  i'm sure she'd feel the same way concerning any of us.

when I come here to the board I check for statuses on her condition. And seeing her name prompts me to send a prayer up for her.  Excuse the poor analogy but I doubt anyone is sitting shiva for Kim Pegula here at 2bd. Way too invested maybe in 2bd though but not her specifically. 🙂

 

Not to quibble over your thoughts being valid or not Im just sharing a different perspective.

[teef]

5 minutes ago, muppy said:

when I come here to the board I check for statuses on her condition. And seeing her name prompts me to send a prayer up for her.  Excuse the poor analogy but I doubt anyone is sitting shiva for Kim Pegula here at 2bd. Way too invested maybe in 2bd though but not her specifically. 🙂

 

Not to quibble over your thoughts being valid or not Im just sharing a different perspective.

Absolutely…and it’s a good perspective. 

[Bad Things]

46 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Are you calling Benny the Butcher a liar?

Benny the who?

 

Nope!

[muppy]

2 minutes ago, teef said:

Absolutely…and it’s a good perspective. 

people are on edge in our lives right?  What with the state of the world  and all the politics swirling. I get a great amount of happiness being with the bills crowd if only virtually.  I will own that 100%

[HardyBoy]

19 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Excuse me, do you need directions to the Unpopular Opinions thread?  

 

I kid! I kid!!!

 

I don’t see Kim as being part of the celebrity culture. She’s no Kardashian! She didn’t seek attention, it just comes with her high profile.

 

I don’t classify people based upon how well known they are, or how wealthy they are. A soul is a soul, and we all have families and loved ones. Kim is special to me because she played a large role in keeping the Bills in WNY. That matters to me. What matters more is that in assuming her current role, we all got to know her a little bit. She seems to be an incredibly likable person. 

 

My heart was broken for all the families and friends affected by the Tops shooting. Completely! But I knew nothing of them before that awful day. That takes NOTHING away from their importance, but Kim is different. Not better or worse, just different.  

 

I hope that came out the way I felt it in my mind. 

 

It did (or at least you made sense) and I agree with that perspective as well to a point. I'm not sure what my real deep down thoughts are; it's a nuanced tricky subject. I'm not saying people in general or on here are treating people as being more worthy of empathy based on their monetary worth, but there is a lot of hurting in the world. Actually, maybe that is why people fixate on specific well known people, it allows them to pour all that empathy into a single place and allow them to use that person as a stand it for everyone. I don't know, human psychology is fascinating for sure.

 

Dan Le Batard always says he has the absolute worst level of celebrity. Famous enough to be raked over the coals for any stupid thing he does, but not famous enough for any of the real perks.

 

They have also talked about boundaries on his show, and how people feel like they have this profound relationship with the people on the show, but it isn't real. Like it's this weird psychological thing for people to feel deep connections or friendships with people, but it's so weird for them because people have this huge emotional connection with them based on a character they are on the show, but they have no idea who the heck you are and neither do you have any idea who they are.

 

Like they're a best friend to someone they meet on the street and that person treats them that way, but to them you're just some random person on the street who is coming up acting like you've known each other for years.

 

That's really the celebrity culture I'm talking about, you don't want to get me started on the super celebrity culture (like the Kardashians...that's all so fake and formulaic). Lol, I'm OK having unpopular opinions, I'd be happy touring around with live music bands and working with people to use technology to improve the world for individuals if I could (and watch the Bills of course!).

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Herc11]

13 hours ago, Irv said:

 

I had a-fib in January.  Heart rate was 170.  Normal is 60-100.  Felt like my heart was vibrating.  On blood thiners and a couple of other drugs to avoid stroke.  

A-fib with a rate >100 is called a-fib rvr (rapid ventricular rate). This is uncontrolled and im sure you were put on an antiarrythmic to control it, keeping the rate below 100. Most likely amiodarone. People live with controlled a-fib and go about their daily lives. A common procedure to correct chronic a-fib is ablation. They basically kill the heart cells in the atrium that are misfiring allowing the heart to return to a normal sinus rythym. 

Edited June 30, 2022 by Herc11

[Herc11]

13 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Can you have issues if your heart is below the normal range?  I'm currently in the 50's.  

 

I had a rare infection about 10 years ago where my heartrate was at around 130....I lost a lot of weight.  The doctors put me on beta blockers before I heart was normal.

Depends on why the HR is <60. Heart rate <60 is called bradycardia. Some people are bradycardic with a normal rythym and are asymptomatic. The problem is when it becomes symptomatic such as hypotension along with that rate. 

[Herc11]

12 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

Dude if you feel like Kim is your mother do you think that is on you or on her?   Caring about her is not irrational IMO but expecting or thinking that they owe anyone periodic updates IMO is misguided.  It is not near as bad as going on a message board and saying “she had a stroke” or whatever other guess popped into someone’s head.  The stuff supposedly out on Twitter then here that “was speculation but had legs” took it to the worst possible level.

 

Some of us aren't just guessing. Being a critical care nurse, working in an ICU, I have real world experience and first-hand knowledge to make somewhat of an educated guess. 

 

Knowing that she spent ~1-2 weeks in the ICU and is undergoing rehab are clues. I can deduce that it wasn't trauma related due to the press release as well. Stroke is the #1 thing that would require rehab after stabilization and recovery given what we know.

 

I'm not saying its absolutely it, but thats what I'd put my money on. Time will tell. They may keep her out of the spotlight for awhile if they want to continue to keep this underwraps since the signs of stroke may be very telling. 

Edited June 30, 2022 by Herc11

[haroldwaide]

5 minutes ago, Herc11 said:

 

Some of us aren't just guessing. Being a critical care nurse, working in an ICU, I have real world experience and first-hand knowledge to make somewhat of an educated guess. 

 

Knowing that she spent ~1-2 weeks in the ICU and is undergoing rehab are clues. I can deduce that it wasn't trauma related due to the press release as well. Stroke is the #1 thing that would require rehab after stabilization and recovery if severe enough.

 

I'm not saying its absolutely it, but thats what I'd put my money on. Time will tell. They may keep her out of the spotlight for awhile if they want to continue to keep this underwraps since the signs of stroke may be very telling. 

As a nurse, this is exactly what I thought the moment I read the press release. Well, after praying for her and her family of course.  

It's also possible it was an MI and she is in rehab because it, or bypass surgery after it, has left her extremely weak.  

 

Either way.  I wish her a speedy recovery and a long, healthy life.

[LabattBlue]

4 hours ago, Herc11 said:

 

Some of us aren't just guessing. Being a critical care nurse, working in an ICU, I have real world experience and first-hand knowledge to make somewhat of an educated guess. 

 

Knowing that she spent ~1-2 weeks in the ICU and is undergoing rehab are clues. I can deduce that it wasn't trauma related due to the press release as well. Stroke is the #1 thing that would require rehab after stabilization and recovery given what we know.

 

I'm not saying its absolutely it, but thats what I'd put my money on. Time will tell. They may keep her out of the spotlight for awhile if they want to continue to keep this underwraps since the signs of stroke may be very telling. 

So you are still guessing. 

Edited June 30, 2022 by BTB

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, Herc11 said:

 

Some of us aren't just guessing. Being a critical care nurse, working in an ICU, I have real world experience and first-hand knowledge to make somewhat of an educated guess. 

 

Knowing that she spent ~1-2 weeks in the ICU and is undergoing rehab are clues. I can deduce that it wasn't trauma related due to the press release as well. Stroke is the #1 thing that would require rehab after stabilization and recovery given what we know.

 

I'm not saying its absolutely it, but thats what I'd put my money on. Time will tell. They may keep her out of the spotlight for awhile if they want to continue to keep this underwraps since the signs of stroke may be very telling. 

 

4 hours ago, haroldwaide said:

As a nurse, this is exactly what I thought the moment I read the press release. Well, after praying for her and her family of course.  

It's also possible it was an MI and she is in rehab because it, or bypass surgery after it, has left her extremely weak.  

 

Either way.  I wish her a speedy recovery and a long, healthy life.

Regardless if you're hunches are correct, I just want to say thank you for doing one of the most thankless and underappreciated jobs out there.  

[Beerball]

17 hours ago, Gugny said:

All this "family" talk is kinda creepy.

Thank you my brother.

[strive_for_five_guy]

What happens if Kim fully recovers as we all are hoping for, yet details of why she was hospitalized are never released?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

What happens if Kim fully recovers as we all are hoping for, yet details of why she was hospitalized are never released?

Why would anything need to happen in that scenario?

2 hours ago, BTB said:

So you are still guessing. 

All we do on this board is guess. I’m not sure why people are so upset about it here? We’re going to talk about it. Talking about it is perfectly fine. Spreading rumors about her condition is totally wrong. 

[Back2Buff]

8 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

What happens if Kim fully recovers as we all are hoping for, yet details of why she was hospitalized are never released?

 

It's pretty obvious why she was in the hospital and now rehab.  No info will need to be released.

[strive_for_five_guy]

23 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Why would anything need to happen in that scenario?

Well how are all of the nosy nellies going to sleep otherwise? 

[Beast]

31 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

What happens if Kim fully recovers as we all are hoping for, yet details of why she was hospitalized are never released?

 

We'll all live. The sun will continue to rise and set.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, strive_for_five_guy said:

Well how are all of the nosy nellies going to sleep otherwise? 

Most people just want to know she’s ok. 

[Doc]

I'm hoping she makes an appearance at training camp.  I doubt she will, but I'm hoping.

[Irv]

21 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

What a mess! 
 

(Hope you’re on the right track now Irv!)

Too much stress on PPP caused it!  Tibs and Billsy trigged it.  What a mess!

[Irv]

22 hours ago, Greybeard said:

    How did you discover this?

 

You could feel something was very wrong.  Like your heart was beating like a hummingbird wings.  Very obvious.  I went in to one Urgent Care.  They turned me away because they were overwhelmed by COVID.  Didn't even ask me what my problem was.  Went to another one.  They said one hour wait.  They asked me what my symptoms were and I told them.  Two minutes later I was getting an EKG and sent to the Emergency Room next door.  Doctor looked like he was going to faint.  Admitted immediately.  I ended up getting a cardioversion which is an electric shock to correct your heartbeat.  (Like you see on TV) Went home next day.  If you feel anything like that  - go to the hospital.  You can get a stroke.  

[Wacka]

2 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

What happens if Kim fully recovers as we all are hoping for, yet details of why she was hospitalized are never released?

That's her and her family's  choice.   HIPPA laws.