Rd 2, Pick 63 (31): RB James Cook, Georgia

[BurpleBull]

47 minutes ago, billsrul120 said:

Chris Johnson was drafted 24th overall.  What's your point here 

 

You like many in here thought Breece Hall was going 1st rd, probably thought one pick higher than where C. Johnson was selected too. So what's your point?

 

I could see top-notch speed in any C. Johnson highlight reel, college or professional; I have to force myself to see James Cook's game-changing speed.

 

James Cook can be good for the Bills, he's just not the best we could have committed to at the position.

 

 

[atlbillsfan1975]

3 hours ago, BurpleBull said:

 

Nothing, if the 40 time doesn't translate to ripping off big yardage in-game.

 

I just don't see a back that will strike fear in defenses when I watch Cook's highlights.

 

 

Do you watch college football regularly? 

[HappyDays]

25 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

I think Cook is somewhere between Reggie Bush and Alvin Kamara.

 

I don't see Kamara in his game at all. Kamara has really good contact balance. Cook doesn't break tackles, he runs away from them. A poor man's Christian McCaffrey would be my comparison.

[BurpleBull]

7 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Do you watch college football regularly? 

 

Would that help in tricking my eyes into seeing Cook as the game-breaker that much of the board sees him as?

 

Cook will be useful, but I still anticipate people jumping ship once they realize that Singletary is still our biggest threat to break a game open from the ground.

[Mat68]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

I don't see Kamara in his game at all. Kamara has really good contact balance. Cook doesn't break tackles, he runs away from them. A poor man's Christian McCaffrey would be my comparison.

If he went to a smaller school and had 4 times the touches would he be looked at the same?  I see his uses as a big plus.  He averaged over 6 yards per carry and over 3.5 yards after contact in the SEC with a game manager QB.  Im not buying the internet scout, contact balance take.  That as a runner is worthy of 2nd rd.  His ability to run wr routes makes him a complete problem.  He very well could get the Beasley targets.  Teams want to play man press you motion out Cook vs a saftey or baker and he wins.  The more I think about Cook and Buffalo the more I like it. 

[HappyDays]

22 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Im not buying the internet scout, contact balance take

 

I'm no scout but I watched a lot of James Cook during the pre-draft process because I thought he was the best fit for us as far as draft value and scheme fit. He has very little contact balance. In short yardage situations he'll either be off the field or split out wide. I agree with you, he could be used similarly to a slot receiver. I love the pick. I'm just honest about his abilities and what he adds to the offense.

 

I've been saying for 2 years a dynamic pass catching RB in our offense would be lethal because of how defenses are playing us. They'll have to pick their poison. Last year they would leave a LB on Singletary or Moss and not have to worry about it. They can't do that against Cook, if they do we'll punish them for it. I know a lot of people on this board wanted us to add another WR early but personally I think a dynamic pass catching RB adds the most value to the offense this year.

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, BurpleBull said:

 

You like many in here thought Breece Hall was going 1st rd, probably thought one pick higher than where C. Johnson was selected too. So what's your point?

 

I could see top-notch speed in any C. Johnson highlight reel, college or professional; I have to force myself to see James Cook's game-changing speed.

 

James Cook can be good for the Bills, he's just not the best we could have committed to at the position.

 

 

I see.....so what this really is about you have your head up Breece Hall's ass

 

Sorry....he is a jet now....you will def get to see your boy twice a year.  Hopefully him and his 800 carries will hold up so he can make you happy

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Mat68]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

I'm no scout but I watched a lot of James Cook during the pre-draft process because I thought he was the best fit for us as far as draft value and scheme fit. He has very little contact balance. In short yardage situations he'll either be off the field or split out wide. I agree with you, he could be used similarly to a slot receiver. I love the pick. I'm just honest about his abilities and what he adds to the offense.

 

I've been saying for 2 years a dynamic pass catching RB in our offense would be lethal because of how defenses are playing us. They'll have to pick their poison. Last year they would leave a LB on Singletary or Moss and not have to worry about it. They can't do that against Cook, if they do we'll punish them for it. I know a lot of people on this board wanted us to add another WR early but personally I think a dynamic pass catching RB adds the most value to the offense this year.

They have 5 star after 5 star.  Cook had the ability to play outside, they used that to get another back on field.  College is a different deal with transfer portal and NIL.  Kamara had to transfer out of Alabama because he couldnt see the field.  He was a 3rd rd pick.  Im saying coming out of college Cook is similar to Kamara.  I see in his game the pass catching ability and exploit seems in the defense.  Just like Ingram, Singletary eill be the back and Cook slowly gets more and more snaps.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

15 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

To me Dalvin and James look exactly alike 

[BurpleBull]

25 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I see.....so what this really is about you have your head up Breece Hall's ass

 

Sorry....he is a jet now....you will def get to see your boy twice a year.  Hopefully him and his 800 carries will hold up so he can make you happy

 

Check the draft day thread. I said many on this board thought Hall was a 1st rd. talent, myself not included.

 

What the hell did you even read? Lol

[Solomon Grundy]

6 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

tell me then What is the difference between 

Breece Hall 4:39

and 

James Cook 4:42

 

You actually think .03 is the difference between Elite speed and not Elite speed? That what you're saying?

 

Or should we of gotten Tariq Woolen ran a 4:26 .16 faster then Cook? Should we of gotten Tariq Woolen in round 5? 

IMO, I would’ve taken Breece at 25 and chosen Coby Bryant later. He was the Jim Thorpe award winner (best collegiate CB). His measurables are comparable to Elam. 

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

To me Dalvin and James look exactly alike 

 

Maybe in how they move, but Dalvin is 20 lbs heavier, but not quite as fast. (Assuming you can believe anything on the internet 🤷‍♂️)

 

In todays NFL, I’m not sure if lighter and faster isn’t better going forward. NO, I am NOT saying James will be better than Dalvin, just commenting on how the game is shifting. Between Cook and a couple other hybrid type picks, I just wonder if we are not ahead of the curve on how the game is changing. 

 

 

Or, we guessed wrong on the trend and we’re screwed………

 

😂

[Solomon Grundy]

4 hours ago, billsrul120 said:

Breece Hall's 10 yd split was 1.54 seconds

James Cook's 10 yd split was 1.55 seconds

 

So 0.01 second difference in acceleration.

30 lb difference 

[PrimeTime101]

13 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

IMO, I would’ve taken Breece at 25 and chosen Coby Bryant later. He was the Jim Thorpe award winner (best collegiate CB). His measurables are comparable to Elam. 

I think Elam is better for the need. 

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

I think Elam is better for the need. 

 

I’ll let Beane split the vote and call it a day.   

 

 

Nothing against anyone in particular, but some people have draft day grudges that go back decades! Chill out! It happened, and it’s over and we have moved on. Life is good! 

[Doc]

21 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

IMO, I would’ve taken Breece at 25 and chosen Coby Bryant later. He was the Jim Thorpe award winner (best collegiate CB). His measurables are comparable to Elam. 

 

Bryant has 4.54 speed.  Plus the last good JT winner was Eric Berry in 2009. 

[billsrul120]

46 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

30 lb difference 

According to the nfl prospect pages cook is 199 and hall is 217 so 18 lbs.

 

We were comparing speed anyway.

 

Hall was taken 27 spots ahead of cook.

[stevewin]

4 hours ago, Mat68 said:

IReggie Bush as a Saint was a problem.  

Reggie bush as a Bill was also a problem, but not quite in the same way

Edited May 6, 2022 by stevewin

[Richard Noggin]

2 hours ago, Augie said:

 

I’ll let Beane split the vote and call it a day.   

 

 

Nothing against anyone in particular, but some people have draft day grudges that go back decades! Chill out! It happened, and it’s over and we have moved on. Life is good! 

 

As to the bolded: speak for yourself!

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

 

 I'm glad Beane took Cook, he's the piece the offense has been missing. A legit dual threat RB/WR with speed to make defenses pay for covering with a LBer and also doubling Diggs. He's in Rich Eisen's top 5 sneaky good picks. Spoiler Alert....He's #1.

 

 

 

Edited May 6, 2022 by LOVEMESOMEBILLS

[newcam2012]

14 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 I'm glad Beane took Cook, he's the piece the offense has been missing. A legit dual threat RB/WR with speed to make defenses pay for covering with a LBer and also doubling Diggs. He's in Rich Eisen's top 5 sneaky good picks. Spoiler Alert....He's #1.

 

 

 

I do like the pick. He seems to be a nice addition to the offense. However, let's see the kid play in the NFL. Let's see how is going to be used, how much playing time he gets, and how effective or ineffective he will be. Remember the hype in KC when they picked CEH. So far, he hasn't lived up to expectations. After all, he was a RB by committee in GA and not even remotely close to a 1st round prospect. Let's wait and see...

[Sierra Foothills]

15 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I do like the pick. He seems to be a nice addition to the offense. However, let's see the kid play in the NFL. Let's see how is going to be used, how much playing time he gets, and how effective or ineffective he will be. Remember the hype in KC when they picked CEH. So far, he hasn't lived up to expectations. After all, he was a RB by committee in GA and not even remotely close to a 1st round prospect. Let's wait and see...

 

Good point but remember that Clyde Edwards-Helaire ran a 4.61 at the combine.

 

In that regard he and Cook are not really comparable.

 

Also CEH was a 1st round pick FWIW.

 

 

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Good point but remember that Clyde Edwards-Helaire ran a 4.61 at the combine.

 

In that regard he and Cook are not really comparable.

 

Also CEH was a 1st round pick FWIW.

 

 

I think the hype for CEH in KC seems pretty similar to the hype Cook is getting from Bills fans now. CEH was supposed to be their dynamic RB catching the ball. Giving KC another offensive weapon for defenses to worry about. Sound familiar? The two in of itself don't really equate for various reasons. Point being, I'd just like to tone down the rhetoric that Cook is going to make this offense so dangerous. Folks it's Allen's offense with a sold Oline that will make the difference. Cook as a rookie will likely have a tiny effect on the overall offense. 

[John from Riverside]

5 hours ago, BurpleBull said:

 

Check the draft day thread. I said many on this board thought Hall was a 1st rd. talent, myself not included.

 

What the hell did you even read? Lol

Yet speed is the only thing on your mind that I can read from your posts

[nucci]

6 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 I'm glad Beane took Cook, he's the piece the offense has been missing. A legit dual threat RB/WR with speed to make defenses pay for covering with a LBer and also doubling Diggs. He's in Rich Eisen's top 5 sneaky good picks. Spoiler Alert....He's #1.

 

 

 

how can a 2nd round pick be considered sneaky? What is a sneaky pick anyway?

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

2 hours ago, nucci said:

how can a 2nd round pick be considered sneaky? What is a sneaky pick anyway?

 

Sneaky good pick. He defined it as a draft pick who didn't get as much national attention as the top picks, but can come in and make an immediate impact.

 

 

[BurpleBull]

7 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Yet speed is the only thing on your mind that I can read from your posts

 

Okay, speed "is the only thing" on my mind concerning my dislike of where Cook was picked, that still doesn't explain where you came away with me wanting Breece Hall to be drafted.

 

I wanted the org. to hold off on drafting an RB high until next year's draft where at least two legit, 1st rd. talents might declare.

[Don Otreply]

13 hours ago, Augie said:

 

I’ll let Beane split the vote and call it a day.   

 

 

Nothing against anyone in particular, but some people have draft day grudges that go back decades! Chill out! It happened, and it’s over and we have moved on. Life is good! 

I hear ya, there is a lot of butt hurt fans when it comes to this sort of thing, kinda funny to read their laments…, oh well, life is indeed good,👍

21 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

Okay, speed "is the only thing" on my mind concerning my dislike of where Cook was picked, that still doesn't explain where you came away with me wanting Breece Hall to be drafted.

 

I wanted the org. to hold off on drafting an RB high until next year's draft where at least two legit, 1st rd. talents might declare.

Not likely getting either at pick 32…, 

Edited May 6, 2022 by Don Otreply

[gordong]

8 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

I think the hype for CEH in KC seems pretty similar to the hype Cook is getting from Bills fans now. CEH was supposed to be their dynamic RB catching the ball. Giving KC another offensive weapon for defenses to worry about. Sound familiar? The two in of itself don't really equate for various reasons. Point being, I'd just like to tone down the rhetoric that Cook is going to make this offense so dangerous. Folks it's Allen's offense with a sold Oline that will make the difference. Cook as a rookie will likely have a tiny effect on the overall offense. 

 Curious why you think this? seeing as Beane tried to get a RB in free agency for this exact reason....  I'm thinking he has more of a role then you might think based on that alone.  as for it's Allen's offense of course it is it always will be, But having someone that can be a dump off option that has 4.4 speed makes Allens job easier...   That what Beane is trying to do...Here.  It's great having all world Allen but eventually he's going to get hurt if the current pace continues. Allen dumping to Cook for 9 yards is better than Josh rushing for 15 or even more.... IMHO. 

[HappyDays]

8 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

I think the hype for CEH in KC seems pretty similar to the hype Cook is getting from Bills fans now. CEH was supposed to be their dynamic RB catching the ball

 

CEH was a completely different prospect. Cook is a lot more dynamic with the ball in his hands IMO. CEH was supposed to be more of a traditional inside runner with some pass catching ability, and had just okay speed. His lack of elite playmaking ability made him a questionable 1st round pick.

[BurpleBull]

59 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

I hear ya, there is a lot of butt hurt fans when it comes to this sort of thing, kinda funny to read their laments…, oh well, life is indeed good,👍

Not likely getting either at pick 32…, 

 

SB winner or not, the Cook pick will likely be what stands in the way of it happening. That's why I hate where he was taken so much.

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Now we just let everything play out. No reason to debate player vs player anymore until games start.

[NewEra]

16 hours ago, BurpleBull said:

 

You like many in here thought Breece Hall was going 1st rd, probably thought one pick higher than where C. Johnson was selected too. So what's your point?

 

I could see top-notch speed in any C. Johnson highlight reel, college or professional; I have to force myself to see James Cook's game-changing speed.

 

James Cook can be good for the Bills, he's just not the best we could have committed to at the position.

 

 

That’s because he plays RB…..and luckily, we preferred to spend out 1st round pick on a premium position and drafted the best cornerback we could’ve committed to.  Cornerback >>> RB.  If you don’t know, know you knoooooow.  

 

[PrimeTime101]

11 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 I'm glad Beane took Cook, he's the piece the offense has been missing. A legit dual threat RB/WR with speed to make defenses pay for covering with a LBer and also doubling Diggs. He's in Rich Eisen's top 5 sneaky good picks. Spoiler Alert....He's #1.

 

 

I 100% agree with his top 5.  I ask my Bills fans this... Everyone goes into nickel 2 deep packages against us. I say that is why Devin did as good as he did because teams really never defended our run nor did a simple swing pass scare teams.

 

What are defenses going to do when teams go 2 deep, and we just swing it to cook. 

What are defenses going to do when we have Cook back there then at same time, we swing McKenzie in the backfield as well? 

 

This game is all about forcing defenses to your will. 2 TE sets on top of it is going to make it very hard for defenses to stay 2 deep because we now have the dynamic ability to get 5-6 yards a play with what we now have.

 

By Game 3 Cook is going to be driving defenses NUTS... maybe even by game 1 or 2.....

 

 

[NewEra]

40 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

CEH was a completely different prospect. Cook is a lot more dynamic with the ball in his hands IMO. CEH was supposed to be more of a traditional inside runner with some pass catching ability, and had just okay speed. His lack of elite playmaking ability made him a questionable 1st round pick.

Agreed.  They are not even close to the same type of player.

 

if he’s talking about the “hype”, yeah, every rd 1-2 pick gets hype

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

SB winner or not, the Cook pick will likely be what stands in the way of it happening. That's why I hate where he was taken so much.

 

 

Late second after two trade backs. They probably had him rated a third rounder. There weren't any players with a second round grade left by the time they picked Cook. Your takes are persistent, certainly bull-headed, often wrong, imo. Cook will expand the capacity of the offense to get YAC and make the defenses have to prepare for multiple options on the field, as Cook is more than capable as a slot receiver. You can even line him up on the outside on occasion, as he tracks the ball very well.

[BurpleBull]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

That’s because he plays RB…..and luckily, we preferred to spend out 1st round pick on a premium position and drafted the best cornerback we could’ve committed to.  Cornerback >>> RB.  If you don’t know, know you knoooooow.  

 

 

Or maybe they just didn't use the 1st pick on Cook because he didn't have a 1st rd. grade on him. 

[Norcalbillsfan]

53 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

CEH was a completely different prospect. Cook is a lot more dynamic with the ball in his hands IMO. CEH was supposed to be more of a traditional inside runner with some pass catching ability, and had just okay speed. His lack of elite playmaking ability made him a questionable 1st round pick.

CEH was a "fully committed to mahomes and give him what he wants" mahomes said he wanted CEH so they got him to appease mahomes.

His skill set couldn't be more different from cook, yes ceh can catch the ball well but he was brought in to be the bell cow power back that can catch the ball. Cook is being brought in to be the miss match for LBs in the passing game putting defenses in a tough spot if they want to run the 2 high. CEH can bruise you up the middle and grind out a clock but hes not a miss match for LBs. I would compare CEH to more Singletarys style but with much better hands.

[Don Otreply]

16 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

SB winner or not, the Cook pick will likely be what stands in the way of it happening. That's why I hate where he was taken so much.

 

 

It actually doesn’t matter where he was taken, and one player, a rookie RB on top of it, isn’t what makes or breaks a championship run, 

 

They can always draft another RB whenever, it’s not a big deal, ya gotta remember, the cap is totally fungible.