Sal Capaccio Opines that Beane was acting "Emotionally" in signing Von Miller

[BillsFan692]

I am sure Sal has absolutely zero supporting evidence for this 'theory' yet he's floated it and now it's running wild. Sal seems to report it like it's a good thing: "Beanes emotions had him angry and he doubled down and got to work on signing Von Miller the very next day"  (After the JD McCissick crap). 

Even though sal seems to report it like it's a good thing, the obvious implication of making such a large decision 'emotionally' is that it's a bad move. So what do you guys think? Is Sal right and this was emotional reaction to missing out on JD, and/or possibly other issues like Chandler signing with Raiders or was it the right/smart move? 

Of course time will tell, but I'd like to hear your opinions -- I'm of the opinion that Beane is better than that and would not make such monumental decisions based on raw emotion.

Edited March 19, 2022 by BillsFan692

[YoloinOhio]

When I heard Sal say this on radio he made it clear that it was his own opinion that Beane may have been extra motivated to get that deal done because what went down with mckissic. He said he has no knowledge of it actually being the case. So not really a rumor. 

[Patience]

I think it did probably tick him off that McKissic backed out, like it would any GM.  I don't think it had much of an impact on his feelings with respect to trying to sign Miller.  

[Big Turk]

Beane was upset with Washington and implied that they did some underhanded bush league stuff in terms of how things are supposed to be done in the NFL.

 

Said when you reach an agreement with a team and the agent tells the other teams the deal is done, you back off and the Commander's didn't do that. 

 

Could tell he wanted to say more about it but held his tongue and thought better of it.

 

So yeah, he was definitely upset with that.

[The Wiz]

Just now, Patience said:

I think it did probably tick him off that McKissic backed out, like it would any GM.  I don't think it had much of an impact on his feelings with respect to trying to sign Miller.  

Watch his presser and you can tell he was pissed about it because he said he heard that "It was done" with the WFT negotiations and then they went back on it.

[BillsFan692]

4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

When I heard Sal say this on radio he made it clear that it was his own opinion that Beane may have been extra motivated to get that deal done because what went down with mckissic. He said he has no knowledge of it actually being the case. So not really a rumor. 

I agree 100% honestly. I wish Sal wasn't even 'reporting' that on the internet like it is some thing (he's making it one).

1 minute ago, The Wiz said:

Watch his presser and you can tell he was pissed about it because he said he heard that "It was done" with the WFT negotiations and then they went back on it.

Oh 100% Beane is allowed to be pissed about JD McCissick

What bothers me is Sal's suggestion that Beane then went and (emotionally) made a deal for von miller. Beane was pissed about JD no doubt and 100% allowed to be. I refuse to believe that it made bean emotionally sign von miller.

Edited March 18, 2022 by BillsFan692

[BillsFan4]

It doesn’t really make much sense to me. I don’t really see what one has to do with the other.

 

Beane was so emotional after missing out on a #2 RB that he decided he absolutely had to sign a future hall of fame defensive linemen…? 🤷‍♂️
 

I think Beane has wanted Von Miller for a while (as he told us) and when Von was interested in signing here Beane made it a priority.

Edited March 18, 2022 by BillsFan4

[Patience]

13 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Watch his presser and you can tell he was pissed about it because he said he heard that "It was done" with the WFT negotiations and then they went back on it.

 

I believe it.  I think, given the competitive nature of free agency and those involved, it would upset any GM to have this happen to their team.  I wouldn't think this would translate to an increased urgency to sign Miller.  Perhaps I could see it holding some water if the two played the same position, but here I don't see the connection. 

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

If it was McKissick not signing that got us Von Miller then I'm starting another go fund me, what's McKissics charity?

[LABILLBACKER]

22 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

When I heard Sal say this on radio he made it clear that it was his own opinion that Beane may have been extra motivated to get that deal done because what went down with mckissic. He said he has no knowledge of it actually being the case. So not really a rumor. 

If this is true, the Lord works in mysterious ways. I will praise St. McKissic forever. 😀

[YoloinOhio]

I honestly think he was emotional given who he was doing business with - it was his mentor, Marty Hurney. I don’t expect any deals with WFT anytime soon.

 

 

 

[frostbitmic]

Warlocks don't get emotional, they just use their magic.

[Draconator]

17 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

If it was McKissick not signing that got us Von Miller then I'm starting another go fund me, what's McKissics charity?

 

Don't bother asking @HOUSE to donate

[jkeerie]

It's one thing about being ps'd about what Washington did and then being extra motivated to ensure it doesn't happen on the next deal.   Motivation is different from emotions.  

[Big Turk]

38 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I honestly think he was emotional given who he was doing business with - it was his mentor, Marty Hurney. I don’t expect any deals with WFT anytime soon.

 

 

 

 

Wow that is really ***** up.

[716to540]

1 hour ago, The Wiz said:

Watch his presser and you can tell he was pissed about it because he said he heard that "It was done" with the WFT negotiations and then they went back on it.

Keep it professional but never forget.

[wppete]

I can’t see that, sounds like a rumor. Yes I’m sure he was pissed at Washington and Chandler signing with raiders  but he strikes as a methodical, logical decision maker. His history proves it….. 

[BattlinBill]

It almost sounded to me like they would of had the money to keep Levi if they had know he was going to back out. Beans mentioned something about the money being tied up right after someone asked about Wallace leaving.

[CNYfan]

I think Wash may have changed their minds when they saw and heard the fans unhappiness with the loss.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, BillsFan692 said:

I am sure Sal has absolutely zero supporting evidence for this 'theory' yet he's floated it and now it's running wild. Sal seems to report it like it's a good thing: "Beanes emotions had him angry and he doubled down and got to work on signing Von Miller the very next day"  (After the JD McCissick crap). 

Even though sal seems to report it like it's a good thing, the obvious implication of making such a large decision 'emotionally' is that it's a bad move. So what do you guys think? Is Sal right and this was emotional reaction to missing out on JD, and/or possibly other issues like Chandler signing with Raiders or was it the right/smart move? 

Of course time will tell, but I'd like to hear your opinions -- I'm of the opinion that Beane is better than that and would not make such monumental decisions based on raw emotion.

 

I really think that's a bit of a misleading title.  It's really Sal Capaccio's opinion, and he acknowledged as much.

 

I would really doubt that it changed a hair of what Beane was willing to offer.  I'm sure he's very "best practices" and goes into a negotiation with an opening offer, a preferred deal, and an upper limit or something along those lines.

 

5 minutes ago, BattlinBill said:

It almost sounded to me like they would of had the money to keep Levi if they had know he was going to back out. Beans mentioned something about the money being tied up right after someone asked about Wallace leaving.

 

Yes, I think that's what Beane is pissed off about.

 

 

[The Wiz]

15 minutes ago, 716to540 said:

Keep it professional but never forget.

Maybe an FU from the WFT front office after we signed Settle.

 

Thought I would rather have Settle over Mckissic anyways.

Edited March 19, 2022 by The Wiz

[Hapless Bills Fan]

58 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I honestly think he was emotional given who he was doing business with - it was his mentor, Marty Hurney. I don’t expect any deals with WFT anytime soon.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BillsFanForever19]

I think it's altogether possible that after McKissic spurned them and Chandler Jones, Yannick Ngakoue, Za'Darius Smith, and Uchenna Nwosu all went to other teams, and fans started to get impatient while everyone was getting better - he put the pedal to the metal, upped their offer, and made sure he got it done. But it was already in the works and I don't believe for a second that McKissic alone was the deciding factor to pay Von. 

Edited March 19, 2022 by BillsFanForever19

[RuffMuff]

I am confused... he would be OK losing out with the agent/player if the other team offer more, but here in this case, the agent/player went to the other team on the same deal and he's mad

at the other team?  Seems to me that is on the agent/player...

Edited March 19, 2022 by RuffMuff
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[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Patience said:

I think it did probably tick him off that McKissic backed out, like it would any GM.  I don't think it had much of an impact on his feelings with respect to trying to sign Miller.  

 

I would also guess that Beane, like most people at that level, has a strong ability to compartmentalize, and that he really didn't start feeling any emotions he had until the work of the day was over and done with, then it hit.

 

It's not quite the same but it's along the same lines as a First Responder or a medical person working an emergency, where they work the situation according to their training and if something really crappy happens during their shift, they push it aside and keep going.  But then after their shift is over, it hits them and they feel Big Time angry or sick at heart or whatever.

[Warcodered]

6 minutes ago, CNYfan said:

I think Wash may have changed their minds when they saw and heard the fans unhappiness with the loss.

I mean it's not like they have some sort of terrible meddling owner or anything.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, RuffMuff said:

I am confused... he would be OK losing out with the agent/player if the other team offer more, but here in this case, the agent/player went to the other team on the same deal and he's made at the other team?  Seems to me that is on the agent/player...

 

If the other team matched OR exceeded the Bills offer and the player decided to stay during the negotiations, before the deal was done, that would be fine - happens all the time.  The story is McKissic and his agent had a handshake on the deal with B'lo, Washington was informed and said "congrats, good luck!".  Should be a done deal at that point.  Then AFTER the news broke, Washington went behind the agent's back direct to the player and lied about what happened (said they had not been informed or given the opportunity to match) in order to get him to break his deal with B'lo and stay with Washington.

 

Meanwhile, Beane, believing he had money committed to McKissic, may have declined to match or beat Pittsburgh's very modest offer to Wallace.  So he lost both McKissic AND Wallace.

[GolfandBills]

12 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

I think it's altogether possible that after McKissic spurned them and Chandler Jones, Yannick Ngakoue, Za'Darius Smith, and Uchenna Nwosu all went to other teams, and fans started to get impatient while everyone was getting better - he put the pedal to the medal, upped their offer, and made sure he got it done. But it was already in the works and I don't believe for a second that McKissic alone was the deciding factor to pay Von. 

Metal 

[wppete]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

If it was McKissick not signing that got us Von Miller then I'm starting another go fund me, what's McKissics charity?

We really should 😂 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

I think it's altogether possible that after McKissic spurned them and Chandler Jones, Yannick Ngakoue, Za'Darius Smith, and Uchenna Nwosu all went to other teams, and fans started to get impatient while everyone was getting better - he put the pedal to the medal, upped their offer, and made sure he got it done. But it was already in the works and I don't believe for a second that McKissic alone was the deciding factor to pay Von. 

 

I would go further and say that McKissic probably had little to do with it,  but that losing out on Chandler Jones etc may have given Beane extra motivation to get 'er done with Miller. 

 

Beane knows that the 4 big pieces a team needs are QB, WR, CB, and pass rusher.  He also knows that truly talented pass rushers are about as hard to find as truly elite QBs, and despite positive things, he probably has a pretty good sense that Rousseau, Basham and Epenesa may become solid but they aren't gonna be elite.

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[strive_for_five_guy]

20 minutes ago, RuffMuff said:

I am confused... he would be OK losing out with the agent/player if the other team offer more, but here in this case, the agent/player went to the other team on the same deal and he's mad

at the other team?  Seems to me that is on the agent/player...

I agree.  Even though McKissic wanted to stay initially, after not getting an offer until someone else gave an offer, he should have told them FU.  Yes, crappy that Washington did what they did, but McKissic and his agent also could have said no way then.

[Warcodered]

Just now, strive_for_five_guy said:

I agree.  Even though McKissic wanted to stay initially, after not getting an offer until someone else gave an offer, he should have told them FU.  Yes, crappy that Washington did what they did, but McKissic and his agent also could have said no way then.

Even if he believed the WTFs, and I mean why would you, he still chose to break his agreement with the Bills who wouldn't have been at fault in that situation either.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

44 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Yes, I think that's what Beane is pissed off about.

 

Considering that Levi wasn't a big money contract, I can totally see that being the case. Someone has to ask Beane about it... worth a shot.

[298Woody]

Even at his age Von Miller is like adding Cornelius Bennett to the defence. He is a big play guy that gets it done in critical situations.

[Governor]

Hasn’t Rivera had a tough enough time? Here we come poaching players from a bottom feeding team that can’t even find a QB, when Rivera is partial reason why Beane is a GM right now.

 

I don’t actually feel this way. I’m just throwing it out there as a possibility for Washington’s behavior.

[davefan66]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I honestly think he was emotional given who he was doing business with - it was his mentor, Marty Hurney. I don’t expect any deals with WFT anytime soon.

 

 

 

Wow.  Beane not happy.  Doesn’t usually call anyone out.  Good for him 

[davefan66]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

I think it's altogether possible that after McKissic spurned them and Chandler Jones, Yannick Ngakoue, Za'Darius Smith, and Uchenna Nwosu all went to other teams, and fans started to get impatient while everyone was getting better - he put the pedal to the metal, upped their offer, and made sure he got it done. But it was already in the works and I don't believe for a second that McKissic alone was the deciding factor to pay Von. 

I believe they targeted Von from the beginning.  Especially if he reached out to them.

 

Both team got through the initial free agent frenzy window, to the period you reach out to your own more.  LA tried, Buffalo was in his ear.  Buffalo was his choice based on money and Josh.

 

And yes, McKissic was not the deciding factor.  You don’t clear cap space and change philosophy to target a single guy that quickly.  McKissics contract $$$ had no impact on the Bills ability to sign Von.  Plenty of players to approach on a restructure. 

[Big Blitz]

Did I hear Beane essentially allude to that being occupied with and committing resources to McKissic cost them Levi?

 

Listen to it again when he talks about Levi.  

 

Something to the effect of "you don't do what Washington did because you lose out on dealing with other players and the money spent.   

Edited March 19, 2022 by Big Blitz

[Thurman#1]

11 hours ago, BillsFan692 said:

I am sure Sal has absolutely zero supporting evidence for this 'theory' yet he's floated it and now it's running wild. Sal seems to report it like it's a good thing: "Beanes emotions had him angry and he doubled down and got to work on signing Von Miller the very next day"  (After the JD McCissick crap). 

Even though sal seems to report it like it's a good thing, the obvious implication of making such a large decision 'emotionally' is that it's a bad move. So what do you guys think? Is Sal right and this was emotional reaction to missing out on JD, and/or possibly other issues like Chandler signing with Raiders or was it the right/smart move? 

Of course time will tell, but I'd like to hear your opinions -- I'm of the opinion that Beane is better than that and would not make such monumental decisions based on raw emotion.

 

 

Emotion in a decision isn't always a bad thing. Only if it makes you do something stupid.

 

Did Sal say anything about "raw emotion," or is that you?

Edited March 19, 2022 by Thurman#1