Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Couple of things I took away: 1) Bills PR coached McKenzie on that harder than Crash Davis coached Nuc Laloosh on his platitutes. When asked about his role next season etc. McKenzie consistently said the PC thing about wanting to do his job, taking it one practice at a time, one game at a time, whatever he can do to help the team win, asked about how Dorsey plans to use him "no we haven't talked about that, I'm sure we'll get to it soon" Very humorously, after the questions and video ended but before the sound cut off, he said "phew" (the PR person laughed) and "I'm sweating" 2) He's talked to Diggs, Davis, Isaiah Hodges, Chad Hall. 3) He said "I don't know about Beas" or "I don't know what's going on with Beas" at one point. This would have us believe he re-signed with no expectations about his roles or responsibilities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 11 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Sounds like we got a hometown discount You're reading way too much into it Yeah, I think Diggs was just clapping back at McKenzie - last year McKenzie told Diggs he had more TDs than Diggs did so Diggs should give him some of his money he signed for, this year Diggs claps back give me some of your money you just signed for. McKenzie made it clear he likes things to be constant in his life, same friends, same trainer, stay with the Bills....I do hope he trains at House of Athlete and Receiver Factory (where Diggs trains) again though, I think it helped. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 14 hours ago, Wayne Cubed said: 2 years, $4.4m... that's a really good deal for Buffalo. Wow. Thought it was $8m over two years and I thought that was a fair contract. $4.4m is a steal. He may want to hire a new agent for his next deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Wow. Thought it was $8m over two years and I thought that was a fair contract. $4.4m is a steal. He may want to hire a new agent for his next deal. That can’t be right can it 2 million a year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: That can’t be right can it 2 million a year No. It's right. He can earn up to 1.8 million more in incentives though. Definitely a steal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: No. It's right. He can earn up to 1.8 million more in incentives though. Definitely a steal. Wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: No. It's right. He can earn up to 1.8 million more in incentives though. Definitely a steal. Beane: We have this deal here or we have this other deal over here next to this large bag of unattended Jelly Beans. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Warcodered said: Beane: We have this deal here or we have this other deal over here next to this large bag of unattended Jelly Beans. I know he'll be a millionaire but there's part of me that wants to send him 30 cents a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I know he'll be a millionaire but there's part of me that wants to send him 30 cents a day. You're in the Arms of the Angel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: No. It's right. He can earn up to 1.8 million more in incentives though. Definitely a steal. I'd read it as 2 years $4.4m when the news first broke and then everyone went on about $8m, including some of the journos on twitter and I thought maybe the initial resports were open to misinterpretation and while I like Isaiah I though eek that price is high. Glad to know it is as first thought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Wow. Thought it was $8m over two years and I thought that was a fair contract. $4.4m is a steal. He may want to hire a new agent for his next deal. True hometown discount. Woulda earned more on the open market. Was happy when it was 8 mil because we know the player he is. Completely stoked now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I'd read it as 2 years $4.4m when the news first broke and then everyone went on about $8m, including some of the journos on twitter and I thought maybe the initial resports were open to misinterpretation and while I like Isaiah I though eek that price is high. Glad to know it is as first thought. I'm still having trouble understanding why the eight million figure was reported. I know agents like to make deals better than they really are but that's pushing it. He won't even be paid as much money in one season as Allen will per game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I'm still having trouble understanding why the eight million figure was reported. I know agents like to make deals better than they really are but that's pushing it. He won't even be paid as much money in one season as Allen will per game. I think it was a genuine mistake rather than an agent trying to pump it up. The first report I saw emerge was saying a $4m deal and I think Rapsheet started the confusion by interpreting that as $4m AAV and tweeting that out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think it was a genuine mistake rather than an agent trying to pump it up. The first report I saw emerge was saying a $4m deal and I think Rapsheet started the confusion by interpreting that as $4m AAV and tweeting that out. I doubt it's a mistake looking at the tweet "worth a total" is different than his next tweet where he uses "worth." Just slick use of language as his source was pry McKenzie's agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob71 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 so would have Mckenzie signed this deal if he had known what Christian Kirk and Zay Jones were gonna get the next day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba2018 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 (edited) Can’t wait to see another year where McKenzie can’t even break 300 yards. Edited March 15, 2022 by recovery96 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 34 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I doubt it's a mistake looking at the tweet "worth a total" is different than his next tweet where he uses "worth." Just slick use of language as his source was pry McKenzie's agent. But what benefit to an agent briefing out a number that was a blatent lie and will be shown as such? I think Rapsheet made a mistake and misinterpreted what he read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 A closer look at the new contract details for Bills wide receiver Isaiah McKenzie According to documents obtained Monday by The Buffalo News, McKenzie's deal is worth $4.4 million + incentives https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/a-closer-look-at-the-new-contract-details-for-bills-wide-receiver-isaiah-mckenzie/article_703b7ed2-a3a3-11ec-a27c-7feaaa18dc8f.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, ALF said: A closer look at the new contract details for Bills wide receiver Isaiah McKenzie According to documents obtained Monday by The Buffalo News, McKenzie's deal is worth $4.4 million + incentives https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/a-closer-look-at-the-new-contract-details-for-bills-wide-receiver-isaiah-mckenzie/article_703b7ed2-a3a3-11ec-a27c-7feaaa18dc8f.html We need to actually play him and use him for this deal to be worth it. Winning teams can't throw $2 MM at a guy then never play him. He got one big game when the coaching staff had no choice but to play him when Beaz and Gabe both hit the COVID list. 20 catches, 178 receivingyards last year total -- 11 and 125 came in one game... the rest of the season he had 9 catches for 58 yards and was made healthy inactive twice. He had 2 catces only one other time and 12 yards was his high outside the one big game. He needs to play or this is a total waste. We can't keep handing out 2-3 million per year to guys that don't play or are purely special teams (Neal, Matakevich), winning teams can't do that... we currently have $7.4 MM cap space committed to this 3 guys that didn't play O or D last year, this is especially critical when our offense scores so much we have fewer punts and kickoffs continue to get further taken out of the game. Edited March 15, 2022 by ArtVandalay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DCofNC Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 So you’re telling me McKissic is worth 7M but Lil Dirty is worth 4.4M. That’s messed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Defense Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 On 3/13/2022 at 8:20 PM, The Wiz said: He was a big part of it. Emphasis on was. McK took over that role later in the year as the underneath guy. Beas was still producing but I like the idea of McK in the slot better with his speed. Yes, McKenzie had a few very good games, but Beasley has had a slew of good games and big catches often in games where he did not have big yards. You'd have to admit, we really don't know if McKenzie can become a consistent threat in the slot. We think he can, as he shown flashes, and because he has been underutilized. But we don't know that he will be that kind of player. We do know what Beasley can do, and what he will likely do for a few more years. I know his stats were not great last year, but now the short game is going to be featured more, as the Bills learned the importance of that this year. Beasley will catch a lot of balls. Why roll the dice, and eliminate one of the Bill most important offensive players of the last 3 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, Mister Defense said: Yes, McKenzie had a few very good games, but Beasley has had a slew of good games and big catches often in games where he did not have big yards. You'd have to admit, we really don't know if McKenzie can become a consistent threat in the slot. We think he can, as he shown flashes, and because he has been underutilized. But we don't know that he will be that kind of player. We do know what Beasley can do, and what he will likely do for a few more years. I know his stats were not great last year, but now the short game is going to be featured more, as the Bills learned the importance of that this year. Beasley will catch a lot of balls. Why roll the dice, and eliminate one of the Bill most important offensive players of the last 3 years? Could be for a number of reasons. Considering when he started with the other WR/TE's and where they are at now. He is less of a necessity. There is also the question of how Dorsey envisions running the offense especially now with a pass catching RB in the backfield. So we have Diggs, Davis, Knox, Mckenzie and Mckissic. I will always appreciate what he did to help Allen and the team when he signed but feel like he has become less and less important. JMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 hour ago, DCofNC said: So you’re telling me McKissic is worth 7M but Lil Dirty is worth 4.4M. That’s messed up. Again, let's see what the details of McKissic's deal are. I doubt he's getting $3.5M this season. I could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 He says he’s headed to LA to be on America’s got talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantha Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 Excellent news! Thanks for posting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 59 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: He says he’s headed to LA to be on America’s got talent. Does that mil count against our cap? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 If I were McKenzie I would have demanded more money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 I think Bills now lead the league on players appearing on Americas Got Talent. He and Doranbus! sp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 On 3/15/2022 at 10:35 PM, Mister Defense said: Yes, McKenzie had a few very good games, but Beasley has had a slew of good games and big catches often in games where he did not have big yards. You'd have to admit, we really don't know if McKenzie can become a consistent threat in the slot. We think he can, as he shown flashes, and because he has been underutilized. But we don't know that he will be that kind of player. We do know what Beasley can do, and what he will likely do for a few more years. I know his stats were not great last year, but now the short game is going to be featured more, as the Bills learned the importance of that this year. Beasley will catch a lot of balls. Why roll the dice, and eliminate one of the Bill most important offensive players of the last 3 years? It appeared the Beas was no longer happy in NewYork, he eliminated himself, there were no hard feelings, and Beane let him go early to find himself a new deal, the circumstance was handled very professionally by Beane, as usual, and now both parties have moved on, not much more to say about it. Go Bills!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 On 4/18/2022 at 1:55 PM, BillsFan4 said: He says he’s headed to LA to be on America’s got talent. And finally we learn why he was on the show https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/bills-isaiah-mckenzie-auditions-for-americas-got-talent-with-nfl-player-choir/article_f2272096-c4b3-11ec-98bb-57b58ab0ef5f.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RocCityRoller Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 On 3/15/2022 at 10:35 PM, Mister Defense said: Yes, McKenzie had a few very good games, but Beasley has had a slew of good games and big catches often in games where he did not have big yards. You'd have to admit, we really don't know if McKenzie can become a consistent threat in the slot. We think he can, as he shown flashes, and because he has been underutilized. But we don't know that he will be that kind of player. We do know what Beasley can do, and what he will likely do for a few more years. I know his stats were not great last year, but now the short game is going to be featured more, as the Bills learned the importance of that this year. Beasley will catch a lot of balls. Why roll the dice, and eliminate one of the Bill most important offensive players of the last 3 years? I think this was posted just before the Jamison Crowder signing. I loved Beasley and wanted McKenzie back. Signing Jamison Crowder made me feel a lot more at ease with the slot position now. Has your opinion changed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mister Defense Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 On 4/26/2022 at 3:16 PM, RocCityRoller said: I think this was posted just before the Jamison Crowder signing. I loved Beasley and wanted McKenzie back. Signing Jamison Crowder made me feel a lot more at ease with the slot position now. Has your opinion changed? A little, but I am still concerned. And maybe even a little more soon after this post, as I found out that Beasley had broken ribs last year. The first time I began to consistently realize Allen was going to be a super star was when he started finding Beasley, effortlessly, in stride, in the slot. It was when Allen started to look like the other HOF quarterbacks I have seen play in the Ralph: Bradshaw, Warner, Montana... Pretty shocked that Beasley has not signed somewhere else by now. May be because of the vaccination controversy. But I am glad that, so far, he is not a weapon for one of the other young guns, like Herbert, Burrow, Watson, and even Tua. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, Mister Defense said: A little, but I am still concerned. And maybe even a little more soon after this post, as I found out that Beasley had broken ribs last year. The first time I began to consistently realize Allen was going to be a super star was when he started finding Beasley, effortlessly, in stride, in the slot. It was when Allen started to look like the other HOF quarterbacks I have seen play in the Ralph: Bradshaw, Warner, Montana... Pretty shocked that Beasley has not signed somewhere else by now. May be because of the vaccination controversy. But I am glad that, so far, he is not a weapon for one of the other young guns, like Herbert, Burrow, Watson, and even Tua. Anyone know if Waddle can play outside at all? Bease would be a nice cushion for Tua if i was a fins fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Defense Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: Anyone know if Waddle can play outside at all? Bease would be a nice cushion for Tua if i was a fins fan Not sure, but I agree, and Beasley would fit in very well, really improve their short game, and open up things down field. Hopefully this does not happen! I know Tua does not have a great arm, but I think he looked a lot better as the last season progressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 21 minutes ago, Mister Defense said: Pretty shocked that Beasley has not signed somewhere else by now. May be because of the vaccination controversy. But I am glad that, so far, he is not a weapon for one of the other young guns, like Herbert, Burrow, Watson, and even Tua. I"m surprised myself. I could be wrong but I doubt it's because of controversy. He deleted his twitter and stopped his fan callouts and stuff. My best guess would be it's a combination of price point and perceived value, with maybe some pickiness mixed in. I double Beasley wants to take a 1 yr contract at or near vet minimum. Teams around the league may perceive his value as lower due to declining stats in several categories. Then there may be some teams that have offered, and Beasley doesn't want to play for that QB or OC. Miami paid the big bucks to sign Tyreek Hill, regarded as the best slot in the league by some and Man, can he rack up the YAC Chargers have Keenan Allen, regarded as the best slot in the league by more. Bengals have Tyler Boyd, who they're paying $10M this season at age 27. Not sure why they'd need an aging Beas Stefanski has traditionally operated a run-first offense, unclear how it will change with Watson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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