DrDawkinstein Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 15 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: I understand and respect your take. But In this case we have a choice. Either pay and make sure the Buffalo Bills remain the Buffalo Bills or watch the team leave and head off to a new city. This is the reality of the situation. We may not like or agree with it but again that’s the reality. So let’s be thankful that we’re keeping the team where they belong. Yep, its the cost of having a team to cheer for for such a small market. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, CountDorkula said: it absolutely does not cost 2 billion more. It cost 2 billion total, as to 1.4. They should move the Bills to Transylvania becoming the bats to make the count happy. Edited March 3, 2022 by Limeaid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 46 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: I understand and respect your take. But In this case we have a choice. Either pay and make sure the Buffalo Bills remain the Buffalo Bills or watch the team leave and head off to a new city. This is the reality of the situation. We may not like or agree with it but again that’s the reality. So let’s be thankful that we’re keeping the team where they belong. To be honest I’m glad it’s staying in OP. Downtown would’ve been a ***** show Billionaires have been skirting by for years avoiding paying for things and living by ther own set of rules. I get its an unpopular opinion. but also just remember the cost of relocation fees would also be over $700 million for the Peguals, which is less than what the Pegauls are set to pay for a new stadium. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 53 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Yep, its the cost of having a team to cheer for for such a small market. It’s amazing that with our small market that we even have an NFL franchise. Although to this day i still don’t know how Jacksonville got an NFL team. That city has literally zero market Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chandler's Hands Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 51 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: but also just remember the cost of relocation fees would also be over $700 million for the Peguals, which is less than what the Pegauls are set to pay for a new stadium. What's the low down on a relocation fee? Is that through the NFL to other owners? It's new to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, Bob Chandler's Hands said: What's the low down on a relocation fee? Is that through the NFL to other owners? It's new to me. It's from the relocating owner to the other owners. And it's the difference between the old market and new one. How they come up with the exact amount, though, I have no idea. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Bob Chandler's Hands said: What's the low down on a relocation fee? Is that through the NFL to other owners? It's new to me. I think a great way to counter public funding is to make the amount the relocation fee. $1 billion to build the stadium, pay it back if you want to sell the team or move. Edited March 3, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 23 minutes ago, Doc said: It's from the relocating owner to the other owners. And it's the difference between the old market and new one. How they come up with the exact amount, though, I have no idea. St Louis to LA was just shy of $645 Million a few years ago Buffalo to Houston for example I could see being closer to 1 Billion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Is this a Zach Ertz thing or is it really going to be announced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Rich, Ralph, New Era, Hallmark is an extremely outdated stadium. Having modern amenities, some relief from the elements seems like a win. Its complaining about paying Allen. Yes its expensive but its time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 22 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Is this a Zach Ertz thing or is it really going to be announced? Yes it will be announced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattymafia Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Get it done before the inflation makes cost of building materials double the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Pittsburgh has grass and it looks pretty rough come November/December. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 minute ago, boater said: Pittsburgh has grass and it looks pretty rough come November/December. And yes. I worry about state politics mucking this up. NYC politicians can be so petty. They have short mans complex. Gov Hochul is from Buffalo and a Bills fan so that can't hurt. She knows firsthand what the Bills mean to WNY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Mat68 said: Rich, Ralph, New Era, Hallmark is an extremely outdated stadium. Having modern amenities, some relief from the elements seems like a win. Its complaining about paying Allen. Yes its expensive but its time. if Taxpayers dollars went towards paying athlete, Im sure this would be a different tune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 2 hours ago, CountDorkula said: Billionaires have been skirting by for years avoiding paying for things and living by ther own set of rules. And you know this to be true because you’re a billionaire? Excellent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 hour ago, BUFFALOBART said: I don't have any kids, either. I DO believe that funding Education, is an investment in the future of our Nation, and is money well spent. I disagree with how School Taxes are funded, however. (In NYS, only, property owners foot the school tax bill) For me, that is $7k/yr.. I also don't mind public financing, of the Bills new Digs... Renters indirectly pay property taxes via their rent. The property owners aren't eating any of that cost themselves for a rented unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 hour ago, boater said: Pittsburgh has grass and it looks pretty rough come November/December. And yes. I worry about state politics mucking this up. NYC politicians can be so petty. They have short mans complex. Totally agree, Citi Field , where the Mets play got lots of State taxpayer dollars.. the thought of the elitist blowhards in NYC impacting this .. is infuriating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Just now, dwight in philly said: Totally agree, Citi Field , where the Mets play got lots of State taxpayer dollars.. the thought of the elitist blowhards in NYC impacting this .. is infuriating. Same with Yankee Stadium if I recall correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Just now, BillsfaninSB said: Same with Yankee Stadium if I recall correctly. I thought so.. but am not 100 per cent sure.. would not doubt it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Simon Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 5 hours ago, boater said: Pittsburgh has grass and it looks pretty rough come November/December. In addition to the Stillers, Pitt also plays at Heinz field. Then they play a bunch of HS football games on that turf in November. After that is when it starts getting torn up. I don't think the Bills aren't going to have that problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codyny13 Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 I really think we’re missing the boat when it comes to stadium location. I don’t live in Buffalo, so obviously it wouldn’t affect me as far as traffic and other hold-ups that residents would need to deal with, but re-locating the stadium downtown overlooking the lake and city just seems that much better to me. I have season tickets and coming from NYC, I usually stay at least one night, the night before, or night after the game at the Marriott downtown. Walking around, most times it seems like a ghost town in the space all around the harbor center, and the casino. If the Sabres aren’t playing, bars are closed, and unless you’re getting in the car, things to do are slim. I don’t think the tailgating would change all the much. Bills fans know how to do it, and they’ll find a way, especially in this social media driven world we live in. The tram that runs past the harbor center. Do people actually use that? It just seems like a beautiful stadium down there would attract new business, new hotels, greater use of the surrounding area and improved infrastructure amongst many things. Again, I’m a visitor, so I have different views here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 6 hours ago, Codyny13 said: I really think we’re missing the boat when it comes to stadium location. I don’t live in Buffalo, so obviously it wouldn’t affect me as far as traffic and other hold-ups that residents would need to deal with, but re-locating the stadium downtown overlooking the lake and city just seems that much better to me. I have season tickets and coming from NYC, I usually stay at least one night, the night before, or night after the game at the Marriott downtown. Walking around, most times it seems like a ghost town in the space all around the harbor center, and the casino. If the Sabres aren’t playing, bars are closed, and unless you’re getting in the car, things to do are slim. I don’t think the tailgating would change all the much. Bills fans know how to do it, and they’ll find a way, especially in this social media driven world we live in. The tram that runs past the harbor center. Do people actually use that? It just seems like a beautiful stadium down there would attract new business, new hotels, greater use of the surrounding area and improved infrastructure amongst many things. Again, I’m a visitor, so I have different views here. All great comments. Buffalo is at a crossroads for sure. If they let this major public improvement stay in the suburbs it’ll be another 50 years (if ever) before something of this magnitude comes to downtown. That doesn’t mean it’s wrong to stay in OP. Maybe downtown Buffalo is just…in a word…done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammers Lot Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Listen to David B on Wben930am. He said they will break away when Stadium announcement happens today. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: All great comments. Buffalo is at a crossroads for sure. If they let this major public improvement stay in the suburbs it’ll be another 50 years (if ever) before something of this magnitude comes to downtown. That doesn’t mean it’s wrong to stay in OP. Maybe downtown Buffalo is just…in a word…done. Crazy Eddie is buying the Sabres from Pegula and a lot of prime commercial real estate in Buffalo.........he made a score with his real estate moves in DC.........maybe a stadium downtown isn't a necessity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 52 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Crazy Eddie is buying the Sabres from Pegula and a lot of prime commercial real estate in Buffalo.........he made a score with his real estate moves in DC.........maybe a stadium downtown isn't a necessity. What? That's InSane...... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 54 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Crazy Eddie is buying the Sabres from Pegula and a lot of prime commercial real estate in Buffalo.........he made a score with his real estate moves in DC.........maybe a stadium downtown isn't a necessity. I'm buying the Sabres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Well…, it’s Friday…, not this week then I take it…, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Well…, it’s Friday…, not this week then I take it…, hinting at it i guess? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 1 hour ago, BUFFALOBART said: For income properties, taxes are a business expense for owners, and therefore, deductible. taxes still get paid though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 (edited) On 3/3/2022 at 2:54 PM, boater said: Pittsburgh has grass and it looks pretty rough come November/December. U of Pitt uses it too . Grass is the only option. Players revolting against turf Edited March 4, 2022 by YoloinOhio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 17 hours ago, Codyny13 said: I really think we’re missing the boat when it comes to stadium location. I don’t live in Buffalo, so obviously it wouldn’t affect me as far as traffic and other hold-ups that residents would need to deal with, but re-locating the stadium downtown overlooking the lake and city just seems that much better to me. I have season tickets and coming from NYC, I usually stay at least one night, the night before, or night after the game at the Marriott downtown. Walking around, most times it seems like a ghost town in the space all around the harbor center, and the casino. If the Sabres aren’t playing, bars are closed, and unless you’re getting in the car, things to do are slim. I don’t think the tailgating would change all the much. Bills fans know how to do it, and they’ll find a way, especially in this social media driven world we live in. The tram that runs past the harbor center. Do people actually use that? It just seems like a beautiful stadium down there would attract new business, new hotels, greater use of the surrounding area and improved infrastructure amongst many things. Again, I’m a visitor, so I have different views here. A dead area is a dead area. It needs year-round entertainment to thrive, not a stadium. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: U of Pitt uses it too . Grass is the only option. Players revolting against turf Get ready for Mud Bowl 2026 and beyond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 Still 2 hours left in this week I less we're going calendar week then we have to tomorrow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 4 hours ago, That's No Moon said: taxes still get paid though Death, taxes and upset wives. Things that you can't avoid in life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 On 3/3/2022 at 6:05 PM, BillsfaninSB said: He said "could". It also could rain money and Bills could move to Austin. Could me means maybe or maybe not or I COULD be making stuff up. I think latter is most probable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDubya76 Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 To be fair to thin skin Tim he didn’t say which week this week is. With the passing of every Monday it could be that this particular week is this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codyny13 Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 16 hours ago, LeGOATski said: A dead area is a dead area. It needs year-round entertainment to thrive, not a stadium. Agreed, but a facelift, infrastructure repair, and big business don’t hurt in attracting investment and other business. Again, as a visitor to the city, it’s something that would attract me to an area, as I want to stay downtown, rather I find myself going up to Hyrtle or Elmwood, which are great areas, but i like many others,I think, would prefer not to get into a car to go check things out, and especially not to go to the stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 On 3/5/2022 at 10:58 AM, Codyny13 said: Agreed, but a facelift, infrastructure repair, and big business don’t hurt in attracting investment and other business. Again, as a visitor to the city, it’s something that would attract me to an area, as I want to stay downtown, rather I find myself going up to Hyrtle or Elmwood, which are great areas, but i like many others,I think, would prefer not to get into a car to go check things out, and especially not to go to the stadium. That would be great, but I just think you have it backwards. You build a stadium there because of the area. You don't build up the area because of the stadium. The way you describe it is putting the cart before the horse. Buffalo metro has a declining population. It's not a growing entertainment district. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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