Inigo Montoya Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 (edited) https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/nfl/player/10958/derek-carr Josh's six year extension is looking better everyday. We really got lucky with the timing of Josh's contract and the state of the salary cap. We're even luckier that Josh agreed to tack six years onto the end of his rookie contract. He'd be worth $50+ if his contract was extended next year. Edited February 16, 2022 by Inigo Montoya 2 1 12 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanmiamioh Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Yikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Does that include CoverGirl endorsement money? 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Better to set the market price now then pay market price later. 2 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 The Ravens are probably sick to their stomach seeing this. If Carr can get a 40 million per extension then I can only imagine what they will have to pay LJ. 4 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Greg S said: The Ravens are probably sick to their stomach seeing this. If Carr can get a 40 million per extension then I can only imagine what they will have to pay LJ. rather pay Carr than LJ tbh. 3 2 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 9 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: Better to set the market price now then pay market price later. Really been that way for a long time at this point. 1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said: rather pay Carr than LJ tbh. Carr, Baker, LJ? I don't want to make a decision on any of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 1 minute ago, KzooMike said: Really been that way for a long time at this point. Carr, Baker, LJ? I don't want to make a decision on any of them Carr much better than other two imo. Put Carr on a good team and he will eat. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, KzooMike said: Really been that way for a long time at this point. Carr, Baker, LJ? I don't want to make a decision on any of them The 2022 QB class is also not looking very good. These guys are going to get very rich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 I wish I was better at sports 3 1 16 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 34 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/nfl/player/10958/derek-carr Josh's six year extension is looking better everyday. We really got lucky with the timing of Josh's contract and the state of the salary cap. He'd be worth $50+ if his contract was extended next year. Yeah, that is why the Bills pushed for it....they took the risk of "one year wonder", maybe things change when fans are in the stands, etc. Remember those thoughts/ideas? It was a good deal for both sides. Also, that is the way contracts go, you max out when its your turn, but while the cap is going up next years guys get more. Josh will get another at bat... 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Cut him. Its really that simple. Hes not winning you a title at 40 mil a year. Wont have funds to field a winning team 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 11 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: Cut him. Its really that simple. Hes not winning you a title at 40 mil a year. Wont have funds to field a winning team Cut him and do what? Wise decision Raiders. Pay the man. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 13 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: Cut him. Its really that simple. Hes not winning you a title at 40 mil a year. Wont have funds to field a winning team Mark Davis has MasterCard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 21 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: I wish I was better at sports 😄 Even for like a few months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Cut him and do what? Wise decision Raiders. Pay the man. lose...gamble on a top 5 pick qb. Hes not a superbowl winning quarterback. You think the raiders can pull off the rams strategy and swinging for the fences? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 holy bleep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 I mean.... If Dak is getting $40M per then what makes you think Carr won't get the same? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Plywood is $80 per sheet 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: lose...gamble on a top 5 pick qb. Hes not a superbowl winning quarterback. You think the raiders can pull off the rams strategy and swinging for the fences? People said the same about Stafford. Put Carr on the Rams and they still win it. However if you need to surround a QB with a "Dream Team" to win the Super Bowl then that QB isn't likely a $40M/year top tier guy IMO. But with the way QBs get paid he'll get $38M-$40M a season without a problem. 4 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Plywood is $80 per sheet Carr is more like cheap pressboard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: lose...gamble on a top 5 pick qb. Hes not a superbowl winning quarterback. You think the raiders can pull off the rams strategy and swinging for the fences? I agree he probably isn't a Superbowl Quarterback. But the reality is top 12 - Derek Carr level - Quarterback play is not easy. You could spin the wheel and end up worse. I think this "you have a top 5 guy or should just throw everything in the bin and spin the wheel" approach is utter nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: Couldn’t have said it better myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I agree he probably isn't a Superbowl Quarterback. But the reality is top 12 - Derek Carr level - Quarterback play is not easy. You could spin the wheel and end up worse. I think this "you have a top 5 guy or should just throw everything in the bin and spin the wheel" approach is utter nonsense. I think its better than being in wildcard limbo for the next 10 years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 1 minute ago, BuffaloBillyG said: People said the same about Stafford. Put Carr on the Rams and they still win it. However if you need to surround a QB with a "Dream Team" to win the Super Bowl then that QB isn't likely a $40M/year top tier guy IMO. But with the way QBs get paid he'll get $38M-$40M a season without a problem. The market is bonkers. I agree with that. It doesn't distinguish enough between elite and good. But the difference between good and not good is so stark that I don't think dumping good because you want great is wise. Just now, Ramza86 said: I think its better than being in wildcard limbo for the next 10 years. It really, really isn't. Do people foget what 17 years of suck felt like? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 I wouldn’t be thrilled with it if I’m the Raiders but what else are you going to do? He’s at least a guy that’s good enough to keep you in the playoff picture. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: The market is bonkers. I agree with that. It doesn't distinguish enough between elite and good. But the difference between good and not good is so stark that I don't think dumping good because you want great is wise. It really, really isn't. Do people foget what 17 years of suck felt like? how many of those years did we end up with a top 5 pick? 3? If you can be horrible and get a top 3 pick 2-3 years in a row...you can turn it around a lot quicker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 The salary price escalation in pro sports is insane. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Wow...I think I'd pass if I were the Raiders. He isn't winning you a playoff game let alone an AFC Championship game or Super Bowl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 56 minutes ago, Greg S said: The Ravens are probably sick to their stomach seeing this. If Carr can get a 40 million per extension then I can only imagine what they will have to pay LJ. That or trade him to a QB desperate team like Washington or Detroit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: how many of those years did we end up with a top 5 pick? 3? If you can be horrible and get a top 3 pick 2-3 years in a row...you can turn it around a lot quicker. But what if you don't? What if you draft a bust? Or draft a game manager guy who is less than Carr... like say a Baker or a Garoppolo? It seems to me that your argument is you are either a top 5 or 6 Superbowl team or you should try to lose. The league would be utterly unwatchable if that was the case. Edited February 16, 2022 by GunnerBill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 1 minute ago, The Jokeman said: That or trade him to a QB desperate team like Washington or Detroit. What do the Ravens do at QB? LJ has had some really good seasons with them so its a tough call. I think its a tougher call then the Browns have. I wouldn't pay Mayfield. For a #1 pick he has mostly been a disappointment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: The market is bonkers. I agree with that. It doesn't distinguish enough between elite and good. But the difference between good and not good is so stark that I don't think dumping good because you want great is wise. It really, really isn't. Do people foget what 17 years of suck felt like? Agree. However, Carr is in that catagory where he is just good enough that he will have you drafting middle of 1st round every year. If you could get away with paying him $25-30M a year and surround him with talent you can make the playoffs. Maybe go on a run. However when you pay the good like the great there isn't enough left over to to build a team that can be good consistently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Thank God we have Josh Allen. When you have Allen, Mahones, Rogers, Burrow or Herbert, you pay them, plain and simple. When you have Mayfield, you don't. It's the tweeners that drive you crazy - Prescott, Carr. Can't live with them, can't live without them. Thank goodness we're not in that boat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said: rather pay Carr than LJ tbh. Exactly, Carr may not be worth 40 but he's closer to that number then Lamar or Baker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Greg S said: What do the Ravens do at QB? LJ has had some really good seasons with them so its a tough call. I think its a tougher call then the Browns have. I wouldn't pay Mayfield. For a #1 pick he has mostly been a disappointment. That backup QB they used when Lamar got hurt did pretty well passing the ball or they draft someone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: But what if you don't? What if you draft a bust? Or a game manager guy who is less than Carr... say Baker or Garoppolo? It seems to me that your argument is you are either a top 5 or 6 Superbowl team or you should try to lose. The league would be utterly unwatchable if that was the case. For an NFL team being watchable doesnt mean jack. Winning a superbowl is the goal. There are two ways to win a superbowl nowadays. Get an elite qb or get an elite team. Most likely having both wins it. Raiders have neither and will not even be a contender with carr unless they build a great team around him. 40 million for a guy who isnt the main piece of a superbowl team is not worth it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 If surrounded by a good football team, you can go deep in the playoffs with David Carr. He's easily worth $35 M - $40M a year based off of some of the recent contracts. With that said, Josh Allen's contract was an outright steal for the Bills organization. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Agree. However, Carr is in that catagory where he is just good enough that he will have you drafting middle of 1st round every year. If you could get away with paying him $25-30M a year and surround him with talent you can make the playoffs. Maybe go on a run. However when you pay the good like the great there isn't enough left over to to build a team that can be good consistently. But the market keeps going up. So yes for the first 2 years of the deal it makes building a really good team around him hard. Then after that the cap has gone up enough to give you leeway. It is no coincidence that the Raiders make the playoffs again at the backend of his last contract. Because he was a bargain this year and will be next year if he plays on yhe old deal. You pay Derek Carr. All day. Every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Just now, The Jokeman said: That backup QB they used when Lamar got hurt did pretty well passing the ball or they draft someone. I am not so sure the Ravens want to start over at QB though. They probably think they can challenge the Bengals for the North. I think the decision to pay LJ is a tough one. If I am the Browns I don't pay Mayfield. Unless they draft someone I could see the Steelers trying to get Jimmy G from the 49ers. Lance is the future there anyway. I am sure Pitt will kick the tires on Wilson/Rodgers but if that doesn't happen I could see Jimmy G as a realistic option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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