Daboll wasn’t happy with McDermott?

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You're talking about the edited title - the original misleading title was "McDermott is driving away coaches"

 

And Yes, you can make a strong case for the view that McDermott was not happy with Daboll at points during the season.

 

 

Since it's a lawsuit, what I hope we hear out of the mouths of both of them would be "I have no comment on that.  It's a legal matter."

 

No good ever came to anyone out of public comments on a lawsuit where they or one of their employees (at the time) is referenced.

 

Neither are party to the suit so they are free to comment on their relationship.

[bigK14094]

3 hours ago, jimmy10 said:

Three years if he’s lucky. My Giants fan buddies think that organization is so f’d up, he’ll be lucky to last two. 

Yeh, but with a good agent he can collect his 5-6 mil for 5 y ears.w total on the Giants contract.  Take a year or two off, or the rest of his life for that matter.

[Heitz]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

OK yeah, that's pretty dumb.

Unless McDermott was planning on personally taking Daboll to the bus station if nobody hired him.

 

Worse he was taking them to the Train Station...   

[Toyo321]

3 hours ago, Warcodered said:

I mean how else do you describe a coach leading his team to the playoffs 4/5 years besides in over his head.

Because Cincy just took 2 years and they are in the superbowl.  Read it any way you want to  4 years of playoff appearances  doesn't mean squat if you don't get to the big dance.

 

McD was over his head all year long and his winning performance against good teams this year was less than stellar.  Beating up on terrible teams and losing to good teams through out this years schedule.   Then there is this.....

 

Jacksonville loss proves he is over his head.  Are you telling me that there was no way to manufacture a touchdown in that game.  With the talent we have on the Off side of the ball.   Give me a break.  McD sucks.

 

McD is on borrowed time.

Edited February 2, 2022 by Toyo321

[Thurman#1]

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Who'd he drive off so far?

 

 

Dennison, for one.

 

I can't speak for anyone else, but I cried.

[ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

And Daboll was less than mediocre in his 3 prior OC stints.  McD OTOH got the Bills to the playoffs his first season in Buffalo, despite getting rid of the more talented players and everyone thinking they were tanking.

 

And so what if Daboll had a problem with McD?  He's gone now.  Problem solved.

 

Agreed. I recall Daboll canceling a HC interview or two last offseason. His relationship with McDermott could not have been that bad. I also think a lot f people feel burnt and frustrated the way the season ended, not that we have seen it here at all! 😃

 

The source for this is an aside from Flores going nuclear today. Not sure how Buffalo got mixed up in this, but I don't put much into it. Oddly enough, I thought Flores could have had a shot to be a DC here if Frazier moves on or is replaced. That is a bridge that might be torched now.

[BuffaloBills1998]

3 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Believe what you like my friend but the evidence is starting to pile up that McDermott is in over his head.

 

And this started long before he figured out how to single handedly blow the Chiefs game and blow one of the best shots this franchise had at a SB again since the 90's.

Right, that’s why Dorsey decided to stay instead of going with Daboll to NJ. To be honest I think Daboll was a problem. His game plans this year we’re very up and down and you could tell Josh was frustrated this year with the play calling. Daboll was probably pissed that McD was calling him out

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

For a guy who wasn't interested, he sure put a lot of effort into it...this year he interviewed with the Bears, the Dolphins, and the Giants.
Last year he interviewed with the Jets, the Chargers, and reportedly turned down an interview with the Texans (as just about any sane human would do)

 

So if he prepped and went on multiple HC interviews last season but "wasn't as interested" that would be strange.

 

I think Daboll was really really interested in the Chargers HC job and in fact thought he had it at one point. 

 

 

If what Flores actually wants is to be a HC in the NFL, he just burnt his bridges pretty irreparably.

 

You have an interview scheduled, the hiring committee interviews Candidate A before you and is pretty durn sure Candidate A is their gal or guy....but your interview is set up so they go ahead and interview you.  You might knock their socks off and change their mind... or you might actually not have a legit shot at the job at that point...but it's pretty hard to prove either professional harm or bias at that point.  There's also the case where Candidate A decides against the job or accepts a different offer, so they re-set and revisit your application.

 

I've been on all sides of this, as the candidate or the interviewer.  But it's not exactly some sort of crime, and would be pretty hard to prove bias.

I think Daboll would have taken the right HC job last year, but I also think his preference was to make the right move at the right time.  There are some personal reasons that likely made this timing better for him.
 

I don’t think Flores gets far with his suit.  He won’t likely get another NFL HC shot anytime soon either.  He also burned Belichick so he can cross off Nick Saban’s fired NFL coach rehabilitation center in Alabama as an option too.

 

I get what you’re saying about taking the shot at the interview anyway - and doing that does keep you on teams’ radars.  It really couldn’t hurt.  What I honestly think is happening here is that he thinks he’s right.  That’s the only logical answer to why he’s burning so many bridges.  Anger at being fired then jerked around is the only other possibility IMO.  If that is it, then you’d think someone would’ve talked him out of the lawsuit. 

[Thurman#1]

1 minute ago, Toyo321 said:

Because Cincy just took 2 years and they are in the superbowl.  Read it any way you want to  4 years of playoff appearances  doesn't mean squat if you don't get to the big dance.

 

McD was over his head all year long and his winning performance against good teams this year is less than stellar.  Beating up on terrible teams and losing to good teams through out this years schedule.   Then there is this.....

 

Jacksonville loss proves he is over his head.  Are you telling me that there was no way to manufacture a touchdown in that game.  With the talent on the Off side of the ball.   Give me a break.  McD sucks.

 

McD is on borrowed time.

 

 

BWAH ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!

 

Oh, you are so precious. This is just sweet and cute.

[Simon]

5 minutes ago, Heitz said:

 

Worse he was taking them to the Train Station...   

[ndirish1978]

6 minutes ago, Heitz said:

 

Worse he was taking them to the Train Station...   

I get this reference. That is all

[Simon]

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Who'd he drive off so far?

 

Rex Ryan?

[BuffaloBillyG]

5 minutes ago, Toyo321 said:

Because Cincy just took 2 years and they are in the superbowl.  Read it any way you want to  4 years of playoff appearances  doesn't mean squat if you don't get to the big dance.

 

McD was over his head all year long and his winning performance against good teams this year was less than stellar.  Beating up on terrible teams and losing to good teams through out this years schedule.   Then there is this.....

 

Jacksonville loss proves he is over his head.  Are you telling me that there was no way to manufacture a touchdown in that game.  With the talent we have on the Off side of the ball.   Give me a break.  McD sucks.

 

McD is on borrowed time.

Wouldn't that mean Daboll was in over his head? McD's defense actually played pretty solid.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

27 minutes ago, ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin said:

 

Daboll had an interview the other day on Good Morning Football. I heard the interview when it happened. I thought nothing of it. Some people here want to raise pitchforks and read into things.

 

Daboll was asked about Daniel Jones in comparison to Allen. In short it sounded like he wants to see what Jones has, that he has some similarities to Josh and that 'it took a village to improve Josh.' All of that is true.

 

Matt Barkley/ Jordan Palmer/ Ken Dorsey/ Brian Daboll and most importantly Josh Allen all helped Josh get to where he is.

 

I took it to mean Jones is raw and will need help from a number of people to tap his potential. Much ado about nothing, and people reading into things in a weird day and rough start to the offseason for the Bills and the NFL.

 

That "it takes a village" comment is one Daboll has made before. 

 

Basically talking about how a lot of people work with Josh behind the scenes including PR people and media coaches

 

On the other hand, it's a fair point that the person who probably had the most to do with Josh Allen's development - namely, Josh Allen - seems to get the least of the credit.

[That's No Moon]

5 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Wouldn't that mean Daboll was in over his head? McD's defense actually played pretty solid.

Except when, you know, it didn't.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

17 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Neither are party to the suit so they are free to comment on their relationship.

 

If they're asked about the lawsuit, or anything alleged in the lawsuit, their best comment is still "No Comment"

[Toyo321]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Wouldn't that mean Daboll was in over his head? McD's defense actually played pretty solid.

McD has the opportunity to talk to all of his coaches at halftime.  How in the world do you not try to come up with a way to put 7 points on the board.

He has his headset on and is constant communication with his coaches while on the sideline.  

If he can't make a game time strategy change he is over his head..... Which has happened to many times this year.

Edited February 2, 2022 by Toyo321

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, That's No Moon said:

Except when, you know, it didn't.

 

The guy you're responding to was asking a chap who specificially mentioned the Jacksonville game and our inability to score a TD

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

Except when, you know, it didn't.

We were referencing the Jacksonville game. 

[Shake_My_Head]

3 hours ago, Logic said:

As soon as I saw this report about Daboll, I thought to myself “welp, TBD is going to handle this very well. Lots of calm and rational discussion”

 

Thread hasn’t disappointed so far. Shoutout to FilthyBeast, in particular. 😆

 

TSW's collective IQ goes down every year.   This thread alone should shave a point or two off the 2022 mean...

[ganesh]

3 hours ago, jimmy10 said:

Three years if he’s lucky. My Giants fan buddies think that organization is so f’d up, he’ll be lucky to last two. 

It is Win Now league....If he doesn't win in. 2 years, he will be gone. 

[Augie]

10 minutes ago, Toyo321 said:

McD has the opportunity to talk to all of his coaches at halftime.  How in the world do you not try to come up with a way to put 7 points on the board.

He has his headset on and is constant communication with his coaches while on the sideline.  

 If he can't make a game time strategy change he is over his head..... Which has happened to many times this year.

 

Same with Andy Reid. He should be in the Super Bowl. RUN THE BALL until they bring a safety up and play you fairly, THEN you can throw again. I’d have taken that 6 yards/carry they were averaging, but that does NOT make me qualified to to be an NFL coach. Should the Chiefs fire him? I bet the Eagles would LOVE to have him back! 

 

Relax in your armchair. It’s very hard to be perfect as an NFL coach, as evidenced by the fact that there has never been one. 

Edited February 2, 2022 by Augie

[BuffaloBillyG]

6 minutes ago, Toyo321 said:

McD has the opportunity to talk to all of his coaches at halftime.  How in the world do you not try to come up with a way to put 7 points on the board.

He has his headset on and is constant communication with his coaches while on the sideline.  

If he can't make a game time strategy change he is over his head..... Which has happened to many times this year.

Agree. Daboll didn't make a successful game time strategy that game. And it did happen a few times...not just against Jacksonville. Good point.

[ArtVandalay]

4 hours ago, MWK said:

Could the speculation have been true?

Confirmed.  I am Brian Dabol. 

[That's No Moon]

5 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

We were referencing the Jacksonville game. 

Yeah, the game that was 6-6 going into the 4th quarter. The offense turned the ball over and desperately needed the defense to make a play to keep the Jags out of FG range. The defense allowed the Jags to march to the 3 yard line and kick a chip shot. They were great that day. Until they weren't.

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Same with Andy Reid. He should be in the Super Bowl. RUN THE BALL until they bring a safety up and play you fairly, THEN you can throw again. I’d have taken that 6 yards/carry they were averaging, but that does NOT make me qualified to to be an NFL coach. Should the Chiefs fire him? I bet the Eagles would LOVE to have him back! 

 

Relax in your armchair. It’s very hard to be perfect as an NFL coach, as evidenced by the fact that there has never been one. 

Talk to Eagles fans about Reid and running the ball and blowing Championship games.

[Comebackkid]

26 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Dennison, for one.

 

I can't speak for anyone else, but I cried.

Tears of joy

[CaliBills]

I wish I could automate Puke Face reaction to posts that lack logical thinking..

 

Devs, make it happen

 

 

And no... I won't give examples because I will probably get suspended again. 

Edited February 2, 2022 by CaliBills

[BuffaloBillyG]

6 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

Yeah, the game that was 6-6 going into the 4th quarter. The offense turned the ball over and desperately needed the defense to make a play to keep the Jags out of FG range. The defense allowed the Jags to march to the 3 yard line and kick a chip shot. They were great that day. Until they weren't.

Talk to Eagles fans about Reid and running the ball and blowing Championship games.

If that's the take away you had from that game....whoa Nelly.

[Reed83HOF]

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

23 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

If they're asked about the lawsuit, or anything alleged in the lawsuit, their best comment is still "No Comment"

 

true.  I was responding to the subject re: their relationship.  That's not part of and lawsuit and they are free to comment as it would have no impact on pending litigation.

[Einstein]

4 hours ago, Process said:

There was also a report recently, I can't remember the source, that said Frazier wanted out, wasn't there?

Is McDermott a maniac behind the scenes or something? This is nuts.

[Ray Finkel]

3 hours ago, Saint Doug said:

Can he drive off Frazier?

Hope so.  Number 1 fraud defense.

[pigpen65]

I think Daboll's nature is to be super aggressive and I think McD's nature is super conservative. I think the reason they worked together is that they balanced each other. I think the reason the Bills go Jauron ball in big games is because McD is Jauron and has taken more control of the offense in big games. I'm worried that with Daboll gone we have way way more Jauron ball ahead of us. 

 

[Ray Finkel]

3 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Let's just pray to God we don't start running the football now that Daboll is gone.

 

He may have been stuck in a power battle with McDermott all year long trying to pass as much as we did.

 

It makes sense in that in some games, it seemed like we were sticking in weird run plays where they didn't fit or otherwise match the game plan.  Like someone was telling him to do it.

 

 

Like the KC game where KC punted from their end zone and we received the ball around midfield and then proceeded to run 3 straight times and punt.  Not sure who’s decision that was but very weird.

[Slack_in_MA]

34 minutes ago, Shake_My_Head said:

 

TSW's collective IQ goes down every year.   This thread alone should shave a point or two off the 2022 mean...

Says the guy who's been here since last July.... 🙄

[Ray Finkel]

50 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Agree. Daboll didn't make a successful game time strategy that game. And it did happen a few times...not just against Jacksonville. Good point.

Pittsburgh also.  We tried all game to put a square peg in a round whole.  

[Big Blitz]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'd just like to point out here that all year, Ken Dorsey had the title "passing game coordinator".  So maybe it's not a good thing he got promoted to OC.

 

 

Tasker said today he's had that title for 2 years - going in to the 2020 season.  

 

I think it's possible he's mistaken I hadn't heard that until the start of this season.  

 

The internet might be my friend I'll go look....

 

 

 

 

 

Yea per this it was going into this season:

 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2022/02/01/buffalo-bills-promote-ken-dorsey-offensive-coordinator-brian-daboll/

Edited February 2, 2022 by Big Blitz

[ArtVandalay]

5 hours ago, Warcodered said:

I mean how else do you describe a coach leading his team to the playoffs 4/5 years besides in over his head.

This is a far different team than the grind it out run heavy, field position battle, defensive struggle type team it was the first 3 years where highly conservative coaching is beneficial... the team had a -57 and -105 point differential the first two years, so that type of approach helped. 

 

the team the last 2 years makes the playoffs easily, but it's very different to coach being a high octane offense going toe to toe with the best of the best and being in high scoring battles where you need to maximize scoring opportunities with aggressive coaching rather than playing safe drag it out field position battles. Requires a much different approach and far different mindset. 

 

McD did an excellent job building culture and grinding out wins. The team was a no show vs the Jaguars, he made horrific mistakes imploding vs the Texans in the 2nd half... but we knew that 2019 wasn't ready yet so it was okay for McD to make fatal errors as it was part of his learning process as well...

 

Vs the Chiefs last year we had a shot at a SB, but that Chiefs team was better and Allen wasn't ready yet making some frantic mistakes under pressure.  With that said the game plan was horrendous and the staff made zero adjustments defensively getting destroyed by Hill and Kelce as they let them run free as the commentators were literally calling the coaching staff out all game.  To boot we were to conservative with our explosive offense... okay... another year of learning for McD maybe next year. 

 

Now again, with a super bowl caliber team and a QB playing at a historic level, he found a way to piss the game away in historic fashion, it really is unreal how mishandled it was... he also learned absolutely nothing defensively playing the Chiefs and made zero adjustments again and as defensive coach that's even more troubling....

 

So made next year he'll learn... or just maybe... he's over his head because his coaching style doesn't fit this type of team and he has shown time and time again he shoots us in the foot come playoff time. 

 

Overly conservative coaching doesn't win rings in today's NFL. He's a tractor trailer driver trying to drive an F1 race car.

Edited February 2, 2022 by ArtVandalay

[Big Blitz]

25 minutes ago, pigpen65 said:

I think Daboll's nature is to be super aggressive and I think McD's nature is super conservative. I think the reason they worked together is that they balanced each other. I think the reason the Bills go Jauron ball in big games is because McD is Jauron and has taken more control of the offense in big games. I'm worried that with Daboll gone we have way way more Jauron ball ahead of us. 

 

 

 

This isn't right.  

 

Nothing about our 2019 offense said super aggressive.    

 

The progression of Josh and the offense from 2018 to 2021 was a clinic in "how to develop your QB 101."  

 

In 2018 they kind of let him do his thing.  Had to reign some in but later opened things up some because we weren't going anywhere anyway let's see what he can do - in those last 6 games in 2018 we did and we went 3-3. 

 

In 2019 we had a great defense and didn't need Josh throwing 40 times a game and we didn't.  The turnovers had to be reigned in some about 1/3 of the way thru the season.  Progression happened and we made the playoffs.  Would you say in 2019 we were very aggressive?  I wouldn't we did what we had to do to win games.  

 

In 2020, it was all systems go.

[stinky finger]

5 hours ago, Peter said:

I suspect that there are a few other people who are not happy with McCoach . . . especially with how our season ended.

 

As I have said before, I do not think that he should be fired, but his seat is a little bit warmer and he will not be given the benefit of the doubt that he has had thus far.

 

It is going to be very interesting to see what happens with the Bills. Thus far, McD has been very fortunate with the strength of schedule and relatively few injuries and (most importantly) a GM who supports him.

His seat is room temp. 
 

If they don’t make an appearance in the SB next year? The seat gets hot - real hot. 
 

Times a-wastin’