Bass didn't get the memo (Joe B All-22)?

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This is disgusting. The wound that never heals. How do you mend this internally . I m sure Mcd took the ball from Frazier the last two plays and called that FUBAR

[Niagara Dude]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

When players don't know an assignment it's on the coaching.

Exactly,  the whole system and process failed.  

[RaoulDuke79]

This is a no brainer play. There shouldn't even have to been any communication from the sideline to know what to do in that situation. It's fundamental football. 

[Peter]

2 hours ago, Turbo44 said:

If they did, the pooch would have worked perfectly. Having to go 65 yards in 13 seconds instead of 45 would have worked greatly in our favor.

 

Bass lined up 7 steps back from the ball on the kickoff. When he was purposely pooching earlier in the season(very well so by the way), he would line up 3-5 steps back. He wasn’t communicated the call and that  is on the two ST coaches and on McDermott. Inexcusable.

 

 

I agree.

 

This is on the coaches including McCoach. Mr. Detail surely saw how he was lined up and -- IF the call was to squib it rather than kick deep (and I am not sure it was) -- surely they would have noticed how deep he was and called a TO or got his attention rather than let happen what happened.

 

 

[K-9]

2 hours ago, zow2 said:

The team was 0-6 in one score games.  That can’t be dumb luck, they were flawed. The entire offseason should be spent trying to correct it.

They were 6-1 last year with the same coaches and pretty much the same players. I don’t think that was dumb luck, either. 

[Peter]

1 minute ago, Niagara Dude said:

It starting to look like Bills PR guys flooding sites with coverup posts,  let's just say it was 1/3 part of one of biggest coaching meltdowns in NFL playoff history.

 

Our coach(es) snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

Just now, K-9 said:

They were 6-1 last year with the same coaches and pretty much the same players. I don’t think that was dumb luck, either. 

 

it is going to be very interesting to see what happens next year. McCoach has been blessed with relatively easy schedules and relatively healthy squads.

 

If I recall correctly, we were only 2-4 against playoff teams.  We also screwed the pooch against Jacksonville of all teams. Ugh.

 

We had a great opportunity to host the AFC Championship game - and should have. I have to believe that it would have been much more likely than not that we would have beaten the Bengals and would be in the SB.

 

Such a wasted opportunity.

[Niagara Dude]

2 hours ago, Peter said:

 

Our coach(es) snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

I think it's fair to say Sean may have used his last Mulligan on that game,  yes he has turned things around for this franchise and no one should even think about replacing him after this season.  Having said I also do believe starting next season i don't see him being let off the hook that easy if these kinds of coaching miscues and conservative thinking continue.  

 

Fans should keep in mind that both McCarthy with Green Bay and Peterson with Eagles won Super Bowls and they got removed, so he needs to do some soul searching this offseason and stop coaching not to lose because I don't see Pegulas wasting Allen's prime years.

Edited January 29, 2022 by Niagara Dude
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[WotAGuy]

2 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

 

 

Fans should keep in mind that both McCarthy with Green Bay and Peterson with Eagles won Super Bowls and they got removed, so he needs to do some soul searching this offseason and stop coaching not to lose because I don't see Pegulas wasting Allen prime years.

Fire his ass right after he wins a Super Bowl!

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13 sec left Carl what do you do?   " Id Squib it"

[HamptonBillsfan]

Why dwell on the kickoff and whose fault it was. Any half-assed  football fan said to anyone listening after the go ahead TD , "they're going to pooch or squib it to kill a few more seconds " This isn't on anyone but Sean for whatever reason it happened. Can we move on.

 

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Agreed. It sure is tough. arrrgh

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

Another article by this pretend GM wannabe, full of conjecture.

[BobbyC81]

3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

If it was a middle of the season game in the 2nd quarter I can see something falling thru the cracks. This was as high a leverage situation McD has ever been in. He doesn't have the luxury of screwing up communication. No matter how it happened. And Tyler Bass also has to have some common sense or if he's not sure, ASK? I think the play call made it to the players but for some inexcusable reason McD & Bass were not on the same page.

I can only go by what I see on the broadcast.  Several times I’ve seen shots of a FG kicker warming up into the net, even late in a game.  There was one game I recall where a team had to call a timeout because “they couldn’t find the kicker”.  What do they do, leave him by himself and then whistle for him to come?
 

I don’t know if a similar scenario takes place before a kickoff.  One would think the kicker would be paying attention to what’s going on and maybe stand close to his coach, but what do I know.

 

Things can likely get pretty chaotic on the sidelines in a big game like this, but that’s why they pay the head coach the big bucks.  I would also rather have a coach be micromanaging than assuming everybody knew what they were supposed to do.  

[Niagara Dude]

21 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

Fire his ass right after he wins a Super Bowl!

Unlike Packers & Eagles,  any Bills coach to win a Super Bowls receives employment for life

[Mr. WEO]

even if he "didn't get the memo", why wouldn't this kid even ask, "hey coach, should I squib it here"?

 

 

[TampaBillsJunkie]

1 hour ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

This is a no brainer play. There shouldn't even have to been any communication from the sideline to know what to do in that situation. It's fundamental football. 

Exactly. McD said they practice this every week, so for me it's another Billsy WTF moment in our history.  No way we should have let that game slide away. If I'm the kicker I would have to believe the pooch is the automatic call to drain time.  They played scared for 13 seconds and it cost us a season and chance to win the Super Bowl. 

[Billsfan1972]

3 hours ago, Turbo44 said:

If they did, the pooch would have worked perfectly. Having to go 65 yards in 13 seconds instead of 45 would have worked greatly in our favor.

 

Bass lined up 7 steps back from the ball on the kickoff. When he was purposely pooching earlier in the season(very well so by the way), he would line up 3-5 steps back. He wasn’t communicated the call and that  is on the two ST coaches and on McDermott. Inexcusable.

 

I have a whole thread explaining that.  If Bass didn't get the memo then as a coverage guy watching him line up 7 yards back I'd have screamed at him wtf

[DrPJax]

4 hours ago, VaMilBill said:

If you’re a smart football player you would think you would QA with the head coach what he wants. 
 

if I were Bass and I wasn’t told to squib it I’d go over to the HC and confirm he wants me to kick it out of the EZ. And if he said no I’d recommend squibbing it anyway. Sometimes players need to think for themselves some too

Actually an interesting point.  In todays NFL, and to a much greater or worse extent in college , players have had almost all of their decision making done on a play to play basis by the coaches.  Its not enough to have a guy with a mic in his helmet, but they have armbands, hand signals, large cue cards , etc on the sidelines as players have essentially lost all their ability to go play to play or are not allowed to have a down “ unsupervised or un-coached” I am guessing as it’s seen to be so fact filled to be trusted for any time without input.  These guys are so regimented in every aspect of their day to day lives regarding their football careers and playing days , that maybe they just can’t make any decisions without input, so they stick to routine so much so that they , especially young players or rookies, don’t expect to ask questions or speak much.
 

Rather than question someone , they might just feel they are expected to be obedient, so if the coach didn’t get the message to Bass, he just stayed quiet and went to do his routine job. It even showed up regarding the Kelce plays. Guys, lineman and dbs, were were within earshot of Kelces  conversation with Mahomes and then Mahomes yelling for Kelce to do it , and a d lineman ( a young, inexperienced obada ) was within 3 feet of Kelce at the line , yet no one moved an inch to press him off the line! They just stood in place , like good soldiers obeying what they were coached to do even tho I could never fathom that would have happened with the 90’s team/ players; they were too intelligent and they freelanced all the time.  Freelance now and you will be benched by McD!  It just goes to show they have complicated the game so much that now every moved is micromanaged and not without coaching input!  No freelancing , and Heaven forbid if you do something on your own even when based on your football intelligence and Iq, it’s just not acceptable. It’s such a rigid environment that individual decision making , and thinking on your feet, is outdated!  😁

[Turbo44]

Coaches responsible for informing Bass. McD and ST coach to blame 

[Billsfan1972]

13 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:

Coaches responsible for informing Bass. McD and ST coach to blame 

Only one job a kicker does, ask or be told what to do on a kick.  How complicated is that?

[bigK14094]

5 hours ago, Mopreme said:

Someone’s head needs to roll. This isn’t just a week 4 game.  As mentioned, a firing offense was committed.  

imho, the special  teams coach.....

 

This MISTAKE reminds me of the REX Ryan era.  10 men on the field....etc, but this was much bigger.

[34-78-83]

2 minutes ago, bigK14094 said:

imho, the special  teams coach.....

 

The evidence has been out there for days here - 

 

no idea why so many seem to forget this resource is out there for all of our games as a source of validation for what REALLY happens out there on the field.

[LV Bills fan]

The real problem… Josh and Gabe hooked up a play too early. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

6 hours ago, MJS said:

With how loud that stadium is, perhaps it was as simple as Bass not hearing the call correctly, or him just incorrectly assuming he was supposed to kick it deep.

 

I think the worse offense was their defensive calls, though. When they kicked it into the end zone I thought "Ok, I guess they didn't want to risk a return. They had a big return earlier. Whatever."

 

But prevent defense? Leaving the middle of the field wide open? That is the true failure here. The Chiefs had three time outs.

It would not have been that loud during the tv timeout. Remember Bills had just scored and were about to win the game. The crowd was not screaming.

Why is this so hard? McDermott screwed up. Either directly or his staff screwed up but in the moment he should be making all the decisions. It is his fault the Bills aren't playing this weekend. Levi Wallace does not line up 15 yards off the ball if not by design. He will be the coach next year. He will either get better or he won't.  Our only hope is Allen. 

[VaMilBill]

1 hour ago, DrPJax said:

Actually an interesting point.  In todays NFL, and to a much greater or worse extent in college , players have had almost all of their decision making done on a play to play basis by the coaches.  Its not enough to have a guy with a mic in his helmet, but they have armbands, hand signals, large cue cards , etc on the sidelines as players have essentially lost all their ability to go play to play or are not allowed to have a down “ unsupervised or un-coached” I am guessing as it’s seen to be so fact filled to be trusted for any time without input.  These guys are so regimented in every aspect of their day to day lives regarding their football careers and playing days , that maybe they just can’t make any decisions without input, so they stick to routine so much so that they , especially young players or rookies, don’t expect to ask questions or speak much.
 

Rather than question someone , they might just feel they are expected to be obedient, so if the coach didn’t get the message to Bass, he just stayed quiet and went to do his routine job. It even showed up regarding the Kelce plays. Guys, lineman and dbs, were were within earshot of Kelces  conversation with Mahomes and then Mahomes yelling for Kelce to do it , and a d lineman ( a young, inexperienced obada ) was within 3 feet of Kelce at the line , yet no one moved an inch to press him off the line! They just stood in place , like good soldiers obeying what they were coached to do even tho I could never fathom that would have happened with the 90’s team/ players; they were too intelligent and they freelanced all the time.  Freelance now and you will be benched by McD!  It just goes to show they have complicated the game so much that now every moved is micromanaged and not without coaching input!  No freelancing , and Heaven forbid if you do something on your own even when based on your football intelligence and Iq, it’s just not acceptable. It’s such a rigid environment that individual decision making , and thinking on your feet, is outdated!  😁

Totally understand. And like any job, once you gain more experience you feel more comfortable speaking up and being more assertive. 
 

Our defense is built on being disciplined and every player being predictable snd doing their job. That’s why our defense never really gives up big plays. 
 

on the same point, I’m not proposing freelancing. But I think someone like Jordan or Micah on defense could have stepped up and spoken out after the first play for gain on the last drive. And I think Bass, who’s been a really good kicker could have done the same. 
 

I understand it’s a tough position for a player to be in. But I know I’d rather have a thinker on the field instead of a robot (cough cough Tremaine Edmunds). 

[97bills]

10 hours ago, Mopreme said:

Someone’s head needs to roll. This isn’t just a week 4 game.  As mentioned, a firing offense was committed.  

That’s why I think McDermott had a big part in this, I really think he was playing the TD coached scared and cost us 

[BarleyNY]

11 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

So how come the other players got

the call and he did not?  Apparently he wasn’t present with everyone else. 

Well, it wasn’t because he was practicing kicking into a net.  Also he didn’t seem to be the only one. 

[Freddie's Dead]

More confirmation of the McChoke.

 

[ChrisWatson#21]

 

They outdid themselves this year from "Hail Murray" to "13 seconds".    I wonder if some of the players actually have lost faith in McDermott after showing poor situational awareness.

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, ChrisWatson#21 said:

 

They outdid themselves this year from "Hail Murray" to "13 seconds".    I wonder if some of the players actually have lost faith in McDermott after showing poor situational awareness.

 

Believe me i was texting "fire everyone" (and posting about Sean Payton) because I immediately thought there is no way the players can trust processes after that especially if we called an end zone kick.  That call to me is the most important.  If I'm a player I'd like to know at the very least that wasn't called.  It would be very hard for McD especially if the following happened:

 

1. McD called for it to get kicked deep - if the ST coaches wanted to squibb - thats obviously a terrible look.  But we have evidence that says its highly likely we did call a squibb or pop up to the 5-10 yard line.  Bass apparently is being put in hiding until training camp to protect him because even if he did mess up, it's not on him so he doesn't deserve irrational wrath right now with tempers high.  I do think it's important the coaches protect him but at the same time they just can't let people think they made such a bad decision.  They're trying to walk that line and it's tough but I get it.  

 

2.  Did Frazier (or even players like Hyde Poyer or Milano) want to rush only 2 or even 1 guy - and press - but then McD called for what we saw - I think this is where the players and coaches were definitely not on the same page and they'll tell you as much - or they own it all and call it all what it was...

 

Just a collaborative meltdown everyone wishes they could have just one of the plays back.  They have 2 choices.  One, blame everyone blame coaches whoever.  Or two, they rally behind each other and remember what they built here and what they still have time to finish. 

 

The front office needs to get a bit more speed, firepower, and pieces on defense that will finish the job.  

Edited January 30, 2022 by Big Blitz

[Buffalo Barbarian]

15 hours ago, TPS said:

In his weekly look at the film, Joe B suggests things point to Bass not getting the word on the kick-off, given the reaction of Johnson and Neal (I'm unable to include the photos):

1. The ’13 seconds’ meltdown and what the film shows

https://theathletic.com/3099135/2022/01/29/clues-to-the-bills-13-seconds-meltdown-and-josh-allens-remarkable-brilliance-all-22-film-review/

 

 

Bass should have been smart enough to figure out that time needed to off the clock.

 

Sometimes you have to disobey orders. Like at work when your boss tells you to do something a certain way but you know thats not how it should be done so you tell them , of course, and then do it the right way and then the boss thanks you later for doing a good job.

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

15 hours ago, VaMilBill said:

If you’re a smart football player you would think you would QA with the head coach what he wants. 
 

if I were Bass and I wasn’t told to squib it I’d go over to the HC and confirm he wants me to kick it out of the EZ. And if he said no I’d recommend squibbing it anyway. Sometimes players need to think for themselves some too

 

Not  squib but kick it to the 10-5 yard line.

 

 

15 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

How does McDermott not physically call his entire ST, including Bass and scream to them at the top of his lungs exactly what he wants done?  Everyone heard it except Bass? Does Tyler need a hearing aid or did he just kick it too hard? He's been successfully doing that pop up kick all year. This play was so screwed up it's incredible how billsy it was.

 

i imagine they did it like they always do but for whatever reason bass didn't get it. Im sure McD will do that in the future but bass should have come over if he didn't get it.

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

15 hours ago, 97bills said:

Man if this is true that’s terrible in a big game like that I want my coach talking to the players his self no confusion. No matter what it all leads back to McDermott especially after those two timeouts. And I no we’ve talked about it over and over but I just can’t stop thinking about it we’re is our defensive leader screaming out watch kelce 

or fix the play ,I could see from my couch they were playing off to far. I think we need a leader on defense, hell Addison could of said watch kelce he’s talking about running up the seam. IDK 🤷‍♂️ man I just got to let it go lol 
 

 

Should have bull rushed kelce into the backfield

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

15 hours ago, zow2 said:

The team was 0-6 in one score games.  That can’t be dumb luck, they were flawed. The entire offseason should be spent trying to correct it.

 

It was the other way around the year before.

 

 

[Turk71]

  Okay, Bass didn't get the memo on the kickoff; as if blaming him explains that entire tragic embarrassment. What a crock of *****. Meanwhile nobody has anything to offer about WTF happened on the next 2 plays? 

  Someone really needs to explain their thinking. That was just beyond stupid.  

[Einstein]

Forget the kickoff.

 

Look at this freaking defense!!

 

Levi is left on an island with Kelce.

 

 

[WotAGuy]

6 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Forget the kickoff.

 

Look at this freaking defense!!

 

Levi is left on an island with Kelce.

 

 

FanDuel and BetMGM are behind this, orchestrated by Belichick. We all knew it would lead to this. 

[Einstein]

Just now, WotAGuy said:

FanDuel and BetMGM are behind this, orchestrated by Belichick. We all knew it would lead to this. 

 

I can’t believe how poor the coaching was on this.

For McDermott to blame “execution” is disgusting.

 

Levi had NO hope. If he shades inside, Kelce can go outside and up the sideline. If he shades outside (which he did), Kelce can go right down the middle (which he did).

Absolutely catastrophically poor coaching.