Victory Formation Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Was there ever a player more polarizing on this Bills roster than Edmund has been in the last 2-3 years? I have a love hate relationship with him. On one hand I love him as a coverage guy, he truly flashes elite potential there but I am absolutely sick and tired of this guy shooting the wrong gaps. Is his lack of production there simply a product of a really soft McD/Leslie Frazier defense? I mean, how can he shoot any gaps when our coaches have him 20 yds off the ball? Ultimately I like Edmunds at a price. I do think we should keep him at say $10M-$11M. Give him a contract in the neighborhood of what Milano got and I’m happy with it. Anything more than that then they should just trade him and at least get something for him. What are your thoughts Bills fans? Should we extend him? Trade him? Or let him walk? 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 I have an idea. Pay him $400k for every TFL he gets. That will save some money. My bad, I forgot he's a glorified CB. Trade him and get as much picks as you can. 4 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: Was there ever a player more polarizing on this Bills roster than Edmund has been in the last 2-3 years? I have a love hate relationship with him. On one hand I love him as a coverage guy, he truly flashes elite potential there but I am absolutely sick and tired of this guy shooting the wrong gaps. Is his lack of production there simply a product of a really soft McD/Leslie Frazier defense? I mean, how can he shoot any gaps when our coaches have him 20 yds off the ball? Ultimately I like Edmunds at a price. I do think we should keep him at say $10M-$11M. Give him a contract in the neighborhood of what Milano got and I’m happy with it. Anything more than that then they should just trade him and at least get something for him. What are your thoughts Bills fans? Should we extend him? Trade him? Or let him walk? Depends on what kind of money he wants Edited January 25, 2022 by Niagara Dude 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: I have an idea. Pay him $400k for every TFL he gets. That will save some money. My bad, I forgot he's a glorified CB. Trade him and get as much picks as you can. Paying him for tackles for a loss would violate federal minimum wage laws. 31 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamptonBillsfan Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 46 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: Was there ever a player more polarizing on this Bills roster than Edmund has been in the last 2-3 years? I have a love hate relationship with him. On one hand I love him as a coverage guy, he truly flashes elite potential there but I am absolutely sick and tired of this guy shooting the wrong gaps. Is his lack of production there simply a product of a really soft McD/Leslie Frazier defense? I mean, how can he shoot any gaps when our coaches have him 20 yds off the ball? Ultimately I like Edmunds at a price. I do think we should keep him at say $10M-$11M. Give him a contract in the neighborhood of what Milano got and I’m happy with it. Anything more than that then they should just trade him and at least get something for him. What are your thoughts Bills fans? Should we extend him? Trade him? Or let him walk? His agent would laugh at 10 or 11 million a year. His ceiling is high in a different system. The comparable LBs are making 15+ and are 5 yes older. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillMafia716ix Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 As much as it pains me to say this. I think they extend him…maybe not break the bank but they extend him. They’ve invested a lot of time into him and they don’t have someone waiting in the wings to replace him. It would just create another hole. I’m comfortable with keeping Edmunds and trading for an elite down lineman. Whether it be another inside guy to play next to Ed Oliver or defensive end. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 49 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: Was there ever a player more polarizing on this Bills roster than Edmund has been in the last 2-3 years? I have a love hate relationship with him. On one hand I love him as a coverage guy, he truly flashes elite potential there but I am absolutely sick and tired of this guy shooting the wrong gaps. Is his lack of production there simply a product of a really soft McD/Leslie Frazier defense? I mean, how can he shoot any gaps when our coaches have him 20 yds off the ball? Ultimately I like Edmunds at a price. I do think we should keep him at say $10M-$11M. Give him a contract in the neighborhood of what Milano got and I’m happy with it. Anything more than that then they should just trade him and at least get something for him. What are your thoughts Bills fans? Should we extend him? Trade him? Or let him walk? 1 minute ago, stevestojan said: Paying him for tackles for a loss would violate federal minimum wage laws. 1 minute ago, stevestojan said: Paying him for tackles for a loss would violate federal minimum wage laws. Move him to outside so he doesn't have to think because obviously he always makes the wrong choice. 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 I want a LB that can take over a game. I doubt we’re in a great position to get such a player, but Edmonds definitely isn’t it. Average player when we need an excellent or elite one. 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 I miss wait and see option. I would love to know if Beane would miss that option in the poll too lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Saint Doug said: I want a LB that can take over a game. I doubt we’re in a great position to get such a player, but Edmonds definitely isn’t it. Average player when we need an excellent or elite one. I just want an LB who doesn’t draw out the “WTF was he doing on that play?” response from even passive football fans. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, Gunner said: Move him to outside so he doesn't have to think because obviously he always makes the wrong choice. If you're waiting for him to think (instincts) then you'll be waiting for a very long time. Is it so much to ask for a MLB to have some run support skills. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) I think we extend him, it's pretty clear they like what he does on D (which is different than other LBs on other teams, blah, blah, blah). Not sure where I stand, will need to look at the FA list. Regardless, if they do re-up, obvi they should not break the bank to do so. Milano's at ~$10M, top 10 LB money is $16.6M+. Where will Edmunds land? ~$13M - $14M? And is that not breaking the bank? 🤣 Looking at numbers here fwiw: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/linebacker/ I do appreciate the fan opinion "that he sucks", but we should "trade him for picks in the 22 & 23 drafts"! 🤔. Edited January 26, 2022 by Heitz 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 He gets more criticism than warranted - he does miss plays, but he's still so young. He also has made some very big plays for us. I'll trust Beane & McD on this one. I won't have too strong a reaction either way, unless they overpay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, Gunner said: Move him to outside so he doesn't have to think because obviously he always makes the wrong choice. McD is too stubborn to ever move him outside. I personally think he would thrive there. McD is going to die on that hill trying to turn Tremaine into Keuchly. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Move him from MIKE 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 How are his hands? Maybe we can send him to Tight End U and convert him in the offseason. It worked for Knox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Absolutely 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 I think he can be a very good player in a different system. A defense more focused on attack than coverage. That being said if Buffalo wants to continue with its current scheme I'd trade him or let his contract run out his final year and see if the light bulb finally turns on. He's still very young. Hey? Where have I heard that before. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 I think Edmunds is one of those players who is more hyped than he should be. He might actually land a decent return on a trade or part of a package deal. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Just now, billsbackto81 said: I think he can be a very good player in a different system. A defense more focused on attack than coverage. That being said if Buffalo wants to continue with its current scheme I'd trade him or let his contract run out his final year and see if the light bulb finally turns on. He's still very young. Hey? Where have I heard that before. I agree he would be better in an attacking style defence, perhaps the Jets would give us their second rounder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Trade him straight up for a Khalil Mack...😉 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 IMHO, I think its possible a lot of what people don't like about Edmunds has a lot to do with how he is used and what he is asked to do. I would like to see Edmunds one more year but under a different DC who would use his athletic talents in a more aggressive manner, similar to how Dallas uses Parsons. I would think a new DC would salivate at creating schemes to utilize his speed and size. I feel like Edmunds is more used like a third safety more so than an anchor at MLB. Like they bank on his speed to be able react and get to the ball as a second line of defense instead of him being a main guy up front getting to the RB or QB. Which is why a lot of people talk about "where" he makes tackles (too far down field), but thats also where he has been tasked to be or play on those plays too. The way they use Edmunds is the definition of the bend but don't break approach. They aren't asking him to blow plays up, they are asking him to prevent the bigger play. And this is why I think there is such a disconnect with how players and coaches feel about Edmunds value and performance vs how fans do. Fans fixate on stat boxes and splashy plays. But if the player isn't being used in a way to put him into position to make those types of plays, then even though he is doing what he is asked well, they will see it as something different. So, honestly, I think Edmunds is a lot better than people give him credit for, he is not perfect, but he is not the bum some make him out to be. But at the same time, I think whether he stays in Buffalo or not will come down to what an extension would cost. Beane has never broke the bank in an unreasonable way. Even Josh Allens contract was quite a good deal from the team stand point as well. I don't foresee him over paying Edmunds, so its going to come down to what the market dictates and what Edmunds prioritizes to see if there is a deal that makes sense for both sides. 4 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: I agree he would be better in an attacking style defence, perhaps the Jets would give us their second rounder. If anyone offered a 2nd round pick for him I would do it in a heartbeat. The only other option in my eyes is pay him 9M and tell him he's moving to the outside. 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: IMHO, I think its possible a lot of what people don't like about Edmunds has a lot to do with how he is used and what he is asked to do. I would like to see Edmunds one more year but under a different DC who would use his athletic talents in a more aggressive manner, similar to how Dallas uses Parsons. I would think a new DC would salivate at creating schemes to utilize his speed and size. I feel like Edmunds is more used like a third safety more so than an anchor at MLB. Like they bank on his speed to be able react and get to the ball as a second line of defense instead of him being a main guy up front getting to the RB or QB. Which is why a lot of people talk about "where" he makes tackles (too far down field), but thats also where he has been tasked to be or play on those plays too. The way they use Edmunds is the definition of the bend but don't break approach. They aren't asking him to blow plays up, they are asking him to prevent the bigger play. And this is why I think there is such a disconnect with how players and coaches feel about Edmunds value and performance vs how fans do. Fans fixate on stat boxes and splashy plays. But if the player isn't being used in a way to put him into position to make those types of plays, then even though he is doing what he is asked well, they will see it as something different. So, honestly, I think Edmunds is a lot better than people give him credit for, he is not perfect, but he is not the bum some make him out to be. But at the same time, I think whether he stays in Buffalo or not will come down to what an extension would cost. Beane has never broke the bank in an unreasonable way. Even Josh Allens contract was quite a good deal from the team stand point as well. I don't foresee him over paying Edmunds, so its going to come down to what the market dictates and what Edmunds prioritizes to see if there is a deal that makes sense for both sides. I'm so tired of safe bend don't break defenses. We've witnessed them throughout Bills history. Let Frazier walk and sign Fangio. Stick Tremaine outside where he's belonged since day 1 and let your defense be more aggressive. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 8 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: If anyone offered a 2nd round pick for him I would do it in a heartbeat. The only other option in my eyes is pay him 9M and tell him he's moving to the outside. I'm so tired of safe bend don't break defenses. We've witnessed them throughout Bills history. Let Frazier walk and sign Fangio. Stick Tremaine outside where he's belonged since day 1 and let your defense be more aggressive. I am honestly hoping Frazier moves on for the same reason. Guy I really want is Flores, but I would be happy with Fangio too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeLongFan Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 BoBO I Agree 100% Trade him immediately!!!! A look into the draft! We should do everything in our Power to Trade Tremaine Edmunds for a #2/3 pick and use it manoeuvre and navigate in this years draft. We are so close!! Our top Priority should be LB Devin Loyd from Utah - We need speed at Linebacker and this guy is a game wrecker! We would most likely have to trade up 5+ spots to snag him! We should also be looking at Dahan Dotson (WR) from Penn State- He has improved a lot and runs a 4.3 ( I will assume that we may or may not re sign Mckenzie) In addition- another Linebacker in 2nd/3rd round we should be all over is Darrian Beavers- This guy is a beast. WE NEED to get faster PERIOD! All Bills Mafia are sick of seeing horrendous coverage in the middle of the field by our backers and people running down hill at them all day! I am ok if we need to give up some additional capital, use the pick for Edmunds to move up if need be... 2/3 of these guys would be unreallll All (3) and I don't see us losing a game next year! I am serious lol...... no champagne for the Dolphins in 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 10 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: I'm so tired of safe bend don't break defenses. We've witnessed them throughout Bills history. Let Frazier walk and sign Fangio. Stick Tremaine outside where he's belonged since day 1 and let your defense be more aggressive. How do our players fit in a fangio scheme? How many years to do spend churning the roster for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Trade him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) If told you when he was drafted that in his fourth season, including the playoffs he would have zero sacks, zero forced fumbles, 2 qb hits, 4 passes defended and one int, AND there was talk of extending him, you would think I was nuts. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/EdmuTr01.htm Edited January 26, 2022 by billsfan714 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyo321 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Two words. Hell No!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 If we could trade that would be great depending on the return but i think we should sign him but not break the bank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 I think whether or not Frazier moves on, this team would be smart to move Edmunds in the offseason if they can get something like a 2nd rounder in return. He's not a fit here and even with a possible new DC in Buffalo I don't think we'll make drastic changes (i.e. move to a 3-4) where Edmunds would benefit. Either way I don't want to hear anymore about his 'ceiling' and 'how young he is' because a guy that has been in the league 4 years at one of the easiest positions to make the college to NFL transition is what he is and a finished product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) 59 minutes ago, stevestojan said: Paying him for tackles for a loss would violate federal minimum wage laws. How about drag down tackles 10 yards down the field 😛😛 Edited January 26, 2022 by Buffalo Barbarian 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 22 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: If anyone offered a 2nd round pick for him I would do it in a heartbeat. The only other option in my eyes is pay him 9M and tell him he's moving to the outside. I'm so tired of safe bend don't break defenses. We've witnessed them throughout Bills history. Let Frazier walk and sign Fangio. Stick Tremaine outside where he's belonged since day 1 and let your defense be more aggressive. Well, he is a 2X Pro Bowler. I agree on a more attack type defense. I really enjoyed our D when Jim Schwartz was here under Marrone, unfortunately not much else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 25 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: IMHO, I think its possible a lot of what people don't like about Edmunds has a lot to do with how he is used and what he is asked to do. I would like to see Edmunds one more year but under a different DC who would use his athletic talents in a more aggressive manner, similar to how Dallas uses Parsons. I would think a new DC would salivate at creating schemes to utilize his speed and size. I feel like Edmunds is more used like a third safety more so than an anchor at MLB. Like they bank on his speed to be able react and get to the ball as a second line of defense instead of him being a main guy up front getting to the RB or QB. Which is why a lot of people talk about "where" he makes tackles (too far down field), but thats also where he has been tasked to be or play on those plays too. The way they use Edmunds is the definition of the bend but don't break approach. They aren't asking him to blow plays up, they are asking him to prevent the bigger play. And this is why I think there is such a disconnect with how players and coaches feel about Edmunds value and performance vs how fans do. Fans fixate on stat boxes and splashy plays. But if the player isn't being used in a way to put him into position to make those types of plays, then even though he is doing what he is asked well, they will see it as something different. So, honestly, I think Edmunds is a lot better than people give him credit for, he is not perfect, but he is not the bum some make him out to be. But at the same time, I think whether he stays in Buffalo or not will come down to what an extension would cost. Beane has never broke the bank in an unreasonable way. Even Josh Allens contract was quite a good deal from the team stand point as well. I don't foresee him over paying Edmunds, so its going to come down to what the market dictates and what Edmunds prioritizes to see if there is a deal that makes sense for both sides. Spot on, Tasker has said exactly this many times on WGR. And, for real, I'd love to see a DC here that would use him in the "blow people up" type of way! Would he excel, IDK, but might be fun to see! 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 56 minutes ago, Saint Doug said: I want a LB that can take over a game. I doubt we’re in a great position to get such a player, but Edmonds definitely isn’t it. Average player when we need an excellent or elite one. do they make those anymore ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 He has a beautiful back peddle. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 31 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Trade him straight up for a Khalil Mack...😉 Would the bears go for it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Would the bears go for it ? No it's a 24m dead cap hit for them Edited January 26, 2022 by Reed83HOF 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 I like Chad Muma 6’3” 245 LBs ILB Wyoming in the Draft. Kind of over Edmunds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Cheney Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Dude should've already been traded. He was one of my favorites when he was drafted and his first year. That feeling that he was gonna develop into an absolute monster. Yeah. That uh. That didn't quite happen. Insane athlete but watching him play now feels like watching somebody who was just explained the rules of football a year or so ago and told to just "do their best out there today." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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