QCity Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Even Jerry is throwing a tantrum. I know, I know, you're not going to click on it (you will). Sullivan: Bills' McDermott choked away Super Bowl-caliber season 3 2 2 4 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Extremely fair and accurate accounting of the game, reflecting several key themes that have been ALL OVER this message board since the moment the game ended. He has high praise of Allen, speaks of the folly of the current OT rule, and offers fair and accurate criticism of McDermott's playoff in-game management, which is not particularly strong. He also correctly points out that the Pegulas will almost certainly not have any issues with McDermott...but perhaps someone should be asking if what McD brings to the table is enough to match Josh's promise. I'm sure this won't stop an army of posters here from trashing Jerry and the column, despite never reading a word of it. Such is the way of ignorance. 27 2 9 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvlevydraftdaygenius Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, QCity said: Even Jerry is throwing a tantrum. I know, I know, you're not going to click on it (you will). Sullivan: Bills' McDermott choked away Super Bowl-caliber season Jerry is right. Terry and Kim should say someone has to take the blame you or Frazier one has to go or both. 4 2 1 2 5 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Good and fair article. I just wish McDermott would've allowed Sullivan to give our defense a pre game pep talk before the Chiefs game. 2 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 OK Jerry, ONE good article in 30 years, Congrats 3 6 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said: Jerry is right. Terry and Kim should say someone has to take the blame you or Frazier one has to go or both. No way. That's a toxic environment. That's pretty much how Ralph fired Polian. Criticism is fair, they weren't good in the big moment. Edited January 25, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede 4 2 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Correct assessment, but true journalists like Felser would not use the word choke just to be a dick. 8 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Sullivan is 100% correct, McD is a choker. In tight spots McD becomes a deer in headlights. I think McD has been amazing as a catalyst for changing the culture at OBD and turning this franchise around, and fans should be thankful. Having said that, I also believe McD just cost this team a championship and he’s shown that he’s reached his ceiling, he’s not the guy to get this team to the next level. Unfortunately, McD isn’t going anywhere in the foreseeable future, so we as fans get to sit here and watch Allen’s prime get wasted. 10 3 4 1 4 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said: Sullivan is 100% correct, McD is a choker. In tight spots McD becomes a deer in headlights. I think McD has been amazing as a catalyst for changing the culture at OBD and turning this franchise around, and fans should be thankful. Having said that, I also believe McD just cost this team a championship and he’s shown that he’s reached his ceiling, he’s not the guy to get this team to the next level. Unfortunately, McD isn’t going anywhere in the foreseeable future, so we as fans get to sit here and watch Allen’s prime get wasted. Allen's prime time lasts for another 15 years. And I hope McD looks at that last 13 seconds and realizes that he has to make his defense be more aggressive. 7 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said: Sullivan is 100% correct, McD is a choker. In tight spots McD becomes a deer in headlights. I think McD has been amazing as a catalyst for changing the culture at OBD and turning this franchise around, and fans should be thankful. Having said that, I also believe McD just cost this team a championship and he’s shown that he’s reached his ceiling, he’s not the guy to get this team to the next level. Unfortunately, McD isn’t going anywhere in the foreseeable future, so we as fans get to sit here and watch Allen’s prime get wasted. What are you talking about? Allen has gotten better every year. Yeah we have to beat KC, but Allen's career wasted? What are you talking about? 7 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 I can't read it because of GDPR. But my issue with Jerry has never been his opinion. It has been his writing. If someone trying to break into the business now wrote as poorly as Jerry does they would be stuck working for a low rent internet blog site. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 11 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Allen's prime time lasts for another 15 years. And I hope McD looks at that last 13 seconds and realizes that he has to make his defense be more aggressive. Allen will be in his prime until age 39? Sure, Jan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Just now, Buddy Hix said: Allen will be in his prime until age 39? Sure, Jan. Have you looked at Brady? Rogers? Quit being clueless and so emotional. 6 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 29 minutes ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said: Jerry is right. Terry and Kim should say someone has to take the blame you or Frazier one has to go or both. That is not the way you run successful organisations. "Taking the blame" does not mean losing your job. That is not what real accountability looks like. The coaches messed the final 13 seconds up. That is not grounds for firing. And actually the bigger mistake of the two was not squibbing. Which is McDermott and Farwell. 2 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said: Allen will be in his prime until age 39? Sure, Jan. Okay, 12 years. QB prime these days is 28-36. 4 7 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRA3196 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Jerry's article is spot on imo. However, as players need to learn how to play in the BIG GAME coaches need to learn the same thing. I would have more understanding for Mcdermott if he had taken responsibility for the last 13 seconds instead of saying he didn't want to talk about it. The Chiefs and their coaching staff had done it all and seen it all. Reid has forgotten more about big moments than Mcdermott and his staff have experienced. Mcdermott isn't going anywhere, and thankfully, neither is Josh. For a long long time. As Mcdermott has figured out the Patriots and the rest of the AFC East. He will figure out how to handle the chiefs. In my observation we need a stronger secondary. Levi Wallace as our #1 CB isn't going to get it done against the Chiefs. And tbh Chief's fans were terrified that Josh was going to get the ball in OT. I have talked to several KC fans, and they were terrified of our offense, and happy to play our defense without White. we need better depth in the secondary and our coaches need to make better in-game situational adjustments. GO BILLS!!! 5 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: What are you talking about? Allen has gotten better every year. Yeah we have to beat KC, but Allen's career wasted? What are you talking about? Allen just turned in the greatest playoff performance I’ve seen in back to back games, I think maybe the greatest ever on record. And McD wasted that with his incompetence, I don’t see that changing. McD mismanages game situations all the time. On top of that, McD spent a year game planning for KC and turned in a worse performance. 6 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvlevydraftdaygenius Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 22 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: No way. That's a toxic environment. That's pretty much how Ralph fired Polian. Criticism is fair, they weren't good in the big moment. No Polian left because he knew Ralph was not committed to keeping players and paying them like Will Wilford, Levy begged Ralph to pay him and Ralph was reluctant until it was to late and matched the colts offer only to lose him in court and Levy had it with Ralph when Ralph would not pay Howard Ballard Levy told him don’t blame me for the season. Polian made the right decision to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Have you looked at Brady? Rogers? Quit being clueless and so emotional. Clueless is taking two exceptions to the rule and expecting Allen to match it, especially two examples who don’t put their bodies at risk like Allen. I hope Allen can be amazing for another decade. But McD has bought himself at least 4-5 years of grace with the turnaround he lead, so most of Allen’s prime years will be tied to a guy that can’t coach in tight spots, a coach that just cost him a monumental opportunity. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvlevydraftdaygenius Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: That is not the way you run successful organisations. "Taking the blame" does not mean losing your job. That is not what real accountability looks like. The coaches messed the final 13 seconds up. That is not grounds for firing. And actually the bigger mistake of the two was not squibbing. Which is McDermott and Farwell. Okay, 12 years. QB prime these days is 28-36. That’s if he stays healthy. If Allen goes down are you confident they could win. I have a lot of confidence in Shawn but not Frazier he is Shawn’s kryptonite now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said: No Polian left because he knew Ralph was not committed to keeping players and paying them like Will Wilford, Levy begged Ralph to pay him and Ralph was reluctant until it was to late and matched the colts offer only to lose him in court and Levy had it with Ralph when Ralph would not pay Howard Ballard Levy told him don’t blame me for the season. Polian made the right decision to leave. I don’t think that’s true at all. Wilford and Ballard left after Polian was fired. The belief of Polian being fired was a clash with Ralph’s daughter (daughter-in-law?). Edited January 25, 2022 by Beast 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said: That’s if he stays healthy. If Allen goes down are you confident they could win. I have a lot of confidence in Shawn but not Frazier he is Shawn’s kryptonite now. They went 9-7 with Tyrod Taylor. He sucked. Am I confident they could win a Superbowl without Josh? No of course they couldn't. You almost always need a top end QB to win a Superbowl. Am I confident they could be a Patriots-esque 8-10 win team that makes it in every couple of years and gets bounced on wildcard weekend? Yep. And to be honest without a QB that is your ceiling in the entire league. Edited January 25, 2022 by GunnerBill 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said: Allen just turned in the greatest playoff performance I’ve seen in back to back games, I think maybe the greatest ever on record. And McD wasted that with his incompetence, I don’t see that changing. McD mismanages game situations all the time. On top of that, McD spent a year game planning for KC and turned in a worse performance. Did you watch the other QB? Mahomes is THE guy right now. Allen will have to put up more amazing performances to finally beat that guy. Edited January 25, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 40 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Allen's prime time lasts for another 15 years. And I hope McD looks at that last 13 seconds and realizes that he has to make his defense be more aggressive. Allen’s prime doesn’t last another 8 years if they keep beating the snot out of him! There are only so many hits a QB can take and there are only so many hits a RB can take. Josh is being subjected to both. 2 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaenon Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 I had to stop after, "When Allen hit Davis with a 19-yard TD strike to give the Bills a 36-33 lead, they were on the verge of becoming Super Bowl favorites. The Bucs, Packers and Titans were all out. Their path was clear, and it would begin at an electric Highmark Stadium next Sunday." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) Coach McD seems to be an experiential learner. This past experience will serve him and the team well from that standpoint. I look at how he has improved in areas like challenges. The old Coach McD would have challenged that fumble by the Chiefs, that was a fumble, in hopes of getting a better spot. Look at how Coach McD adjusted from the first NE game and then the rest of the season. Coach was in better control of his emotions since that game. My concern for Coach McD is his ability to keep the team engaged and together. To this point his greatest accomplishment has been the culture change. He needs to improve his game day coaching. Right now he seems a lot like Marv Levy, perfect coach Monday-Saturday but struggled on Sunday in the biggest moments. Edited January 26, 2022 by atlbillsfan1975 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) I say move on from Frazier and hire Martindale, formerly of the Ravens. Martindale was a scapegoat for Baltimore's season and fields tough, gritty defenses. I'd sign up for that. Edit: McD isn't going anywhere so that is what it is. Edited January 25, 2022 by Southern_Bills McD comment 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 54 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Allen's prime time lasts for another 15 years. And I hope McD looks at that last 13 seconds and realizes that he has to make his defense be more aggressive. Does Allen last a whole 15 years? When his mobility starts to go he loses his game, I fear. I don’t think he will have as long as a career as some of us think. I say maybe 8 more effective years unless he alters his game to be more of a pocket passer and less of a running threat Edited January 25, 2022 by VaMilBill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpen65 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Something is definitely wrong when a team has to have a double digit lead to get out of the game with a win. They lost every single close game this year. That's horrifying. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Wont bother clicking or reading it. The guy is an ego maniac with a axe to grind. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 hour ago, QCity said: Even Jerry is throwing a tantrum. I know, I know, you're not going to click on it (you will). Sullivan: Bills' McDermott choked away Super Bowl-caliber season Sullivan is a joke and hack always has been 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) Sean McDermott = Marvin Lewis. Remember how Marvin would have a lot of good seasons with the Bengals. He could get them into the playoffs but could never win a Super Bowl. We have the Buffalo version of Marvin Lewis. I am going to start calling him McLewis. Edited January 25, 2022 by Greg S 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cray51 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Choked is probably an apt word, but you have to play, call, execute a hell of a game to get to the point of choking it away. i thought Mcd called a great game other than the 13 seconds. Used timeouts well, went for it when it made sense, kept the team composed. On the 3rd and 1 with the trick play, he was screaming on the sideline and knew the play before it was even snapped. You take your lumps and build. Mcd takes accountability like no other, and will learn from this 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 So, if we won the coin toss would everyone be saying that Andy Reid choked away that game and be calling for heads? Didn't think so. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 If I could have one wish for the Bills it would be for Belichick to coach this team. 1 minute ago, Mark80 said: So, if we won the coin toss would everyone be saying that Andy Reid choked away that game and be calling for heads? Didn't think so. Did Andy Reid have a 3 point lead with 13 seconds left to play and the Bills on their own 25 and lose? Didn't think so. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Article makes very fair points. But as it concedes, McDermott seems to learn from past mistakes, like we all do. It's how players like Josh improved, coaches are no different. Did the coaching screw this one up? Yes. Will McDermott learn from it? Won't know until next year. Changing horses at coach means starting over in team philosophy that could set us back a year or 2, & doesn't guarantee success, see Dallas, Chargers (now & w/ Phillip Rivers), Cleveland, Green Bay, Atlanta. Only time I can think where changing coaches actually worked was Dungy to the Colts (Gruden to Tampa was overrated IMO). Stable franchises don't change coaches like people change clothes. We did that for 17 seasons. McDermott needs to learn & get better at 13 seconds. Odds are he'll have 2 new coordinators to help him do it, and hopefully that is change enough. Go Bills! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Greg S said: If I could have one wish for the Bills it would be for Belichick to coach this team. Did Andy Reid have a 3 point lead with 13 seconds left to play and the Bills on their own 25 and lose? Didn't think so. So giving up 2 TDs in the final 2 minutes doesn't qualify as choking, but giving up 2 plays does. Got it. One step further....how many years being a head coach did it take Reid to win a SB? It took him 21 seasons. 7 to even get to it. Now he's widely considered one of the best coaches. Edited January 25, 2022 by Mark80 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cray51 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Greg S said: If I could have one wish for the Bills it would be for Belichick to coach this team. Did Andy Reid have a 3 point lead with 13 seconds left to play and the Bills on their own 25 and lose? Didn't think so. But he did have a 4 point lead with 47 seconds to go and the Bills in their own territory. And he did choke that away as well. both coaches had moments they wish they could forget in the final 2 minutes. Because the two qbs are transcendent talents 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuartjohn Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Nextmanup said: Extremely fair and accurate accounting of the game, reflecting several key themes that have been ALL OVER this message board since the moment the game ended. He has high praise of Allen, speaks of the folly of the current OT rule, and offers fair and accurate criticism of McDermott's playoff in-game management, which is not particularly strong. He also correctly points out that the Pegulas will almost certainly not have any issues with McDermott...but perhaps someone should be asking if what McD brings to the table is enough to match Josh's promise. I'm sure this won't stop an army of posters here from trashing Jerry and the column, despite never reading a word of it. Such is the way of ignorance. What Jerry said is 100% Accurate! Frazier or both McDermott should be held accountable! If Coach : Parcells/ Johnson/ Belichek etc. would’ve been in that predicament they would be hosting Championship game! He choked Fair & simple- even worse than WideRight! I won’t ever think of Mc D as a winner again! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Mark80 said: So giving up 2 TDs in the final 2 minutes doesn't qualify as choking, but giving up 2 plays does. Got it. Allen had a decent amount of time on the clock. Their was 13 ****ing seconds for the Chiefs when they started at their 25. Got it now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 He’s certainly not lying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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