Reviewing Beane

[Alphadawg7]

37 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

What was the gripe w Shanahan? Not telling Saleh he should maybe try covering Tyreek Hill 50 yards downfield?

 

TBH, I dont really remember.  But I do remember thinking he just blew another SB and my Fiance is a die hard Niners fan and she and her family still upset with Kyle over the game too, as all many niners fans I know.  

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

TBH, I dont really remember.  But I do remember thinking he just blew another SB and my Fiance is a die hard Niners fan and she and her family still upset with Kyle over the game too, as all many niners fans I know.  

I remember it pretty well tbh and by my recollection it came down to those two big plays, the blown coverage on Hill and the deep miss to Sanders. The rest of the game was a pretty good effort from the Niners defense and managing the game on offense when they had the ball…Garoppolo was throwing behind guys, having balls tipped, missing reads etc. I thought it was about as close a game as could reasonably be expected given the talent disparity at QB.

 

I guess if there was to be a complaint about Shanahan for me it would be that he didn’t go to Kittle enough.

[GunnerBill]

It was that he stopped running the ball despite it still working. He suddenly went pass happy up 10. He did actually call a run (I think it was a Deebo play) that would have been at least close to a 1st but was called back. But it is the same fault as when he was play calling for the Falcons. Mysteriously got away from a run game that was gashing them looking for a kill shot in the pass game. 

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Or if they ever were, when they were given out for free.

Guys you’re really missing the point here🤓

[Alphadawg7]

46 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

It was that he stopped running the ball despite it still working. He suddenly went pass happy up 10. He did actually call a run (I think it was a Deebo play) that would have been at least close to a 1st but was called back. But it is the same fault as when he was play calling for the Falcons. Mysteriously got away from a run game that was gashing them looking for a kill shot in the pass game. 

 

Yup, this rings a bell and what I remember thinking he did it again.  

[GoBills808]

58 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

It was that he stopped running the ball despite it still working. He suddenly went pass happy up 10. He did actually call a run (I think it was a Deebo play) that would have been at least close to a 1st but was called back. But it is the same fault as when he was play calling for the Falcons. Mysteriously got away from a run game that was gashing them looking for a kill shot in the pass game. 

I agree that his playcalling cost the Falcons a Super Bowl but the other one was a different story imo. The Chiefs were COMING, it was clear the Niners defense had given everything they had and they (Sherman especially) was going to get beat at some point. 20 wasn’t going to be the winning number, they had to try to score again. No problem with how he called that game late for me.

[GunnerBill]

14 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I agree that his playcalling cost the Falcons a Super Bowl but the other one was a different story imo. The Chiefs were COMING, it was clear the Niners defense had given everything they had and they (Sherman especially) was going to get beat at some point. 20 wasn’t going to be the winning number, they had to try to score again. No problem with how he called that game late for me.

 

But they could have scored running. That was the point. They were running at 6 per clip and even the 3 runs he did call in that late collapse were a first down for 6, a first down for 1, a first down for 5. It isn't like KC were stacking the box either. In the two critical drives they only had 6 man boxes on 2nd downs. The 9ers just got away from their strength. If the Chiefs had got hold of the run game and stuffed them multiple times it would have been a different story. It wasn't about just running clock. It was about running their offense, the offense that had got them there. 

 

Edit: don't get me wrong if they connect on the bomb to Sanders they just missed he gets lauded, no doubt. But it was such a low percentage way to play that situation when he didn't need to. 

Edited May 21, 2022 by GunnerBill

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

But they could have scored running. That was the point. They were running at 6 per clip and even the 3 runs he did call in that late collapse were a first down for 6, a first down for 1, a first down for 5. It isn't like KC were stacking the box either. In the two critical drives they only had 6 man boxes on 2nd downs. The 9ers just got away from their strength. If the Chiefs had got hold of the run game and stuffed them multiple times it would have been a different story. It wasn't about just running clock. It was about running their offense, the offense that had got them there. 

 

Edit: don't get me wrong if they connect on the bomb to Sanders they just missed he gets lauded, no doubt. But it was such a low percentage way to play that situation when he didn't need to. 

In hindsight I think you might be correct, but in the moment I didn’t have an issue with throwing. They were getting yards there too, Garoppolo and penalties were just leaving points on the field.

[GunnerBill]

18 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

In hindsight I think you might be correct, but in the moment I didn’t have an issue with throwing. They were getting yards there too, Garoppolo and penalties were just leaving points on the field.

 

They were wrong in the "right way" in that they were trying to be aggressive but got away from what was working in doing so, is that a fair way of putting it? 

[todd]

On 5/20/2022 at 2:36 PM, The Wiz said:

The worst take will come in the form of "but they haven't won a championship".

 

Every time. 

Never mind @Alphadawg7 This one is worse.

Explain? 

[Augie]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

Guys you’re really missing the point here🤓

 

WAIT! Are you saying we are NOT all getting ponies? I was told…….

 

All this talk of how they should have kept running the ball reminds me of Super Bowl XXV. Hand the ball to Thurman, and collect your trophy. But NOOOOOO, we wanted to win “our way”. Hey!  I just wanted to win, and ego got in the way there. 

 

I’m doing much better now……

[FilthyBeast]

On 5/20/2022 at 12:25 PM, Rochesterfan said:

 

The proof is in the fact they took a Tyrod Taylor lead team to the playoffs - pre-Josh Allen.

 

Even a poor excuse for a Dolphins fan should know that.

 

 

🤷‍♂️

 

 

 

You can't really count 2017 as it was truly a fluke and pure luck on the arm of Andy Dalton's 4th and 15 pass.

 

Yes it was great to end the drought but again you have to look at what has driven the Bills most recently and that's Allen's development into a top NFL starter in spite of McDermott's questionable coaching. And even with a historic performance it wasn't enough in the playoffs last year to overcome said coaching problems.

 

 

[Matt_In_NH]

It’s amazing that Beane has done such a terrible job of building a roster yet the Bills are routinely pointed to as having the most complete roster in the league.  
 

not sure how those two are mutually exclusive.  

[Rochesterfan]

47 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

You can't really count 2017 as it was truly a fluke and pure luck on the arm of Andy Dalton's 4th and 15 pass.

 

Yes it was great to end the drought but again you have to look at what has driven the Bills most recently and that's Allen's development into a top NFL starter in spite of McDermott's questionable coaching. And even with a historic performance it wasn't enough in the playoffs last year to overcome said coaching problems.

 

 

 

You can’t count 2017 as proof this coaching staff can win - WTF.

 

1st - Andy Dalton can’t happen if the Bills do not win enough games to be in position to beat Baltimore out.

2nd - The Bills don’t get to the playoffs with out winning 3 of the last 4 including sweeping Miami and beating Indy in a terrible snow storm - the Bills could of quit at any point and not made the playoffs - see Miami laying down against the Bills in 2020.

3rd - Most recently Josh Allen has driven the team, but the fact that this staff could break the drought with Tyrod Taylor and then adapt as Josh Allen grows to become the player he is - shows exactly how good this staff is.  
 

They could of stayed as a run first offense and build defense and let Josh become a game manager, but McD and Beane envisioned more and they have slowly built an offensive, pass first system.  They have allowed Josh to drive this team in a modern offense and have helped Josh develop into the player he is.

 

Compare that to Darnold and Mayfield from his class or how Miami has treated their QB in Tua.  It isn’t just Josh that has grown and adjusted - the entire coaching staff allowed Daboll to become a free wheeling OC to play to those strengths.

 

The facts are this staff came in and was able to get enough wins with Rex’s players and schemes to make a playoff appearance- something no other staff had done and they did it by winning games late in the season - even though it looked bleak.  Yes the Andy Dalton pass was the straw that got them in, but they had to do everything to make that possible.

 

 

[DCofNC]

A lot of the guys you are claiming are his doing are not, so start with an accurate list and we can honestly review.

[BADOLBILZ]

26 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

You can’t count 2017 as proof this coaching staff can win - WTF.

 

1st - Andy Dalton can’t happen if the Bills do not win enough games to be in position to beat Baltimore out.

2nd - The Bills don’t get to the playoffs with out winning 3 of the last 4 including sweeping Miami and beating Indy in a terrible snow storm - the Bills could of quit at any point and not made the playoffs - see Miami laying down against the Bills in 2020.

3rd - Most recently Josh Allen has driven the team, but the fact that this staff could break the drought with Tyrod Taylor and then adapt as Josh Allen grows to become the player he is - shows exactly how good this staff is.  
 

They could of stayed as a run first offense and build defense and let Josh become a game manager, but McD and Beane envisioned more and they have slowly built an offensive, pass first system.  They have allowed Josh to drive this team in a modern offense and have helped Josh develop into the player he is.

 

Compare that to Darnold and Mayfield from his class or how Miami has treated their QB in Tua.  It isn’t just Josh that has grown and adjusted - the entire coaching staff allowed Daboll to become a free wheeling OC to play to those strengths.

 

The facts are this staff came in and was able to get enough wins with Rex’s players and schemes to make a playoff appearance- something no other staff had done and they did it by winning games late in the season - even though it looked bleak.  Yes the Andy Dalton pass was the straw that got them in, but they had to do everything to make that possible.

 

 

 

 

To me, 2017 was really more about luck finally falling in favor of one of many mediocre Bills teams' of the drought era.

 

That team had the lowest point differential of any NFL team to make the playoffs since the 1980's............and was worse in that regard than any Bills team since the Chan Gailey days.    The offense, in particular, was unwatchable bad.........after having been one of the better offense's in the NFL the year prior (#7 in scoring and fewest turnovers thru 15 games of any team in the SB era).

 

It was a fluke that they got in.

 

They caught teams off-guard early in the season with a new defensive system and got off to a fast start winning some very close games..........then limped terribly thru the second half.     But fortunately had a pathetic schedule and scraped past some terrible teams at the end to get to 9-7.

 

Some years 9-7 doesn't get it done..........but this happened to be the year when the Jacksonville Jaguars made it to the AFC championship game.........the Jaguars being a team that has drafted in the top 10 in 14 of the last 15 seasons.

 

But as I've said before..........sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.     

[John from Riverside]

None of this means anything unless you are guaging it against Beane's peers.

[Matt_In_NH]

12 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

None of this means anything unless you are guaging it against Beane's peers.

 

Yeah, then we will have to count up instances of "meh's" to do a deep dive.

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

You can't really count 2017 as it was truly a fluke and pure luck on the arm of Andy Dalton's 4th and 15 pass.

 

Yes it was great to end the drought but again you have to look at what has driven the Bills most recently and that's Allen's development into a top NFL starter in spite of McDermott's questionable coaching. And even with a historic performance it wasn't enough in the playoffs last year to overcome said coaching problems.

 

 

 

Utter drivel.

[Augie]

3 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

You can’t count 2017 as proof this coaching staff can win - WTF.

 

1st - Andy Dalton can’t happen if the Bills do not win enough games to be in position to beat Baltimore out.

2nd - The Bills don’t get to the playoffs with out winning 3 of the last 4 including sweeping Miami and beating Indy in a terrible snow storm - the Bills could of quit at any point and not made the playoffs - see Miami laying down against the Bills in 2020.

3rd - Most recently Josh Allen has driven the team, but the fact that this staff could break the drought with Tyrod Taylor and then adapt as Josh Allen grows to become the player he is - shows exactly how good this staff is.  
 

They could of stayed as a run first offense and build defense and let Josh become a game manager, but McD and Beane envisioned more and they have slowly built an offensive, pass first system.  They have allowed Josh to drive this team in a modern offense and have helped Josh develop into the player he is.

 

Compare that to Darnold and Mayfield from his class or how Miami has treated their QB in Tua.  It isn’t just Josh that has grown and adjusted - the entire coaching staff allowed Daboll to become a free wheeling OC to play to those strengths.

 

The facts are this staff came in and was able to get enough wins with Rex’s players and schemes to make a playoff appearance- something no other staff had done and they did it by winning games late in the season - even though it looked bleak.  Yes the Andy Dalton pass was the straw that got them in, but they had to do everything to make that possible.

 

 

 

Some people just have a desperate need to throw stones. Beane and McD don’t get credit for the Bills being good because Josh gets all the credit. Really? Well, who drafted this raw talent then developed him? Football is more than ever about having a good QB, but it’s still a team game. Even the best QB can’t win without a solid roster around them and good schemes. Who went out and got him Diggs, Gabe Davis and Knox to work with? Does Josh get credit for that, too? 

 

Nothing is perfect, but people who complain about this FO are just looking to complain about something…….or trolls who need a home visit from the MIA @DC Tom! 

[Apocalypse Nuts]

All of this is, and will be, just nonsense at the end of the upcoming season.  The front office has put some very nice finishing touches on this defense, and I predict that Elam will be a significant enough improvement over Wallace to get the Bills the Lombardi Trophy.  And I am a big Levi Wallace fan.  Just now having looked at Elam's tape enough, I can see he'll be just enough of an improvement (if not more) to put this D over the top, when you take into consideration Tim Settle and the other additions on that side this year.

 

Add to that, James Cook will be a huge plus.  And I think he'll make a much bigger impact running than most people think. 

 

 

[todd]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Utter drivel.

There’s lots of people on this thread who have decided Beane sucks, and will do anything to rationalize it. No matter how foolish they sound. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Site issues click link 

 

https://twitter.com/gmfb/status/1542508261378707456?s=20

 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Site issues click link 

 

https://twitter.com/gmfb/status/1542508261378707456?s=20

 

Ha, this thread is back…good link above,  and he’s not wrong.  Beane is without question one of the best GMs in the NFL right now and has a legit case for best, although he won’t get the wide spread recognition as “the best” until a SB victory.  

 

But wow was it entertaining to go back and read some of the absurd and foolish takes in this thread hahaha.  

[gr8billsfan]

On 1/24/2022 at 12:34 AM, IronMaidenBills said:

We have not drafted enough high end talent. 

 

Edmunds rd 1

Basham rd 2

Epenesa rd 2

Ford rd 2

Moss rd 3 

Oliver rd 1 

Rousseau rd 1 

 

Have all underperformed their draft statuses thus far IMO. Especially Ford and Moss. 

 

I expect more from Edmunds, Oliver, and Rousseau given their rd 1 status. 

Not enough high end talent!? Okay go get Doug Whaley is we’re gonna say insane things then 

[Albany,n.y.]

On 1/24/2022 at 3:34 AM, IronMaidenBills said:

We have not drafted enough high end talent. 

 

Edmunds rd 1

Basham rd 2

Epenesa rd 2

Ford rd 2

Moss rd 3 

Oliver rd 1 

Rousseau rd 1 

 

Have all underperformed their draft statuses thus far IMO. Especially Ford and Moss. 

 

I expect more from Edmunds, Oliver, and Rousseau given their rd 1 status. 

Bill Polian is in the HOF.  Look at the Bills drafts from 1986 to 1992.  You can nitpick any GM.https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/draft.htm

Polian is held in high esteem, yet he was handed Bruce Smith & Jim Kelly.  He did not draft those two or fellow HOFer Andre Reed. 

Now I'm not knocking Polian, I'm just saying every GM has hits & misses & Beane has done more as GM than anyone ever to hold the position.  

 

 

[hemma]

Bills' Brandon Beane ranked NFL's best general manager

 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2022/07/03/buffalo-bills-brandon-beane-best-general-manager-nfl/

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Good, now I can direct link 

 

 

SI ‘s link

https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/buffalo-gm-brandon-beane-rank-best

 

 

that was borrowed from the pool 

[Einstein]

He has been “made” by his Allen choice, which you can never take away. But for the purpose of this thought study, imagine that he did not pick Allen. Imagine he had picked Rosen.

 

Where would our fans rank him then?

 

Likely quite low.

 

Shows how 1 pick can make or break a career.

[Scott7975]

On 5/23/2022 at 6:35 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

Utter drivel.

It usually is from him.  During last season he was saying it was a bad move to give Allen a contract already. 

6 hours ago, Einstein said:

He has been “made” by his Allen choice, which you can never take away. But for the purpose of this thought study, imagine that he did not pick Allen. Imagine he had picked Rosen.

 

Where would our fans rank him then?

 

Likely quite low.

 

Shows how 1 pick can make or break a career.

 

Same fans wanted him to pick Rosen lol

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

13 hours ago, Einstein said:

He has been “made” by his Allen choice, which you can never take away. But for the purpose of this thought study, imagine that he did not pick Allen. Imagine he had picked Rosen.

 

Where would our fans rank him then?

 

Likely quite low.

 

Shows how 1 pick can make or break a career.

thanks Einstein 

I’ll try to remember that 

 

🙄 

[machine gun kelly]

So you guys do know people that follow the NFL as experts voted him GM of the year.

 

anyone can nit pick Beane.  Just like all the armchair QB’s can nit pick McD’s game time decisions.

[Augie]

1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:

So you guys do know people that follow the NFL as experts voted him GM of the year.

 

anyone can nit pick Beane.  Just like all the armchair QB’s can nit pick McD’s game time decisions.

 

Apparently, they weren’t imagining that Beane picked Rosen. Tell them to get with the imaginary program!!!   

[Beerball]

On 1/24/2022 at 3:29 AM, IronMaidenBills said:

FA acquisitions/trades. 

 

Sanders

Beasley

Cox Jr.

Diggs

Addison

Bates

Breida

Butler

Feliciano

Haack 

Hart 

Hughes

Hyde

Taiwan Jones

Klein 

Kumerow

Lotulelei 

Matakevich 

McKenzie 

Morse 

Obada 

Poyer

Smith 

Trubisky 

Williams 

 

 

Drafted/Undrafted 

 

Allen 2018 rd 1 #7    (Great Pick)

Basham 2021 rd 2 #61  (Meh, maybe good) 

Bass 2020 rd 6 #188  (Great Pick) 

Boettger 2018 UDFA (Good pickup, all things considering) 

Brown 2021 rd 3 #93 (Good Pick, maybe great)

Bryant 2017 UDFA (Meh) 

Davis 2020 rd 4 #128 (Good Pick, maybe great)

Dawkins 2017 rd 2 #63 (Good Pick, maybe great) 

Dodson 2019 UDFA (Meh pickup)

Doyle 2021 rd 5 #161 (Meh, maybe good) 

Edmunds 2018 rd 1 #16 (Meh) 

Epenesa 2020 rd 2 #54 (Meh, maybe good) 

Ferguson 2016 UDFA (Great Pickup)

Ford 2019 rd 2 #38 (Dumpster fire, maybe meh)

Gilliam 2020 UDFA (Good Pickup) 

Hamlin 2021 rd 6 #212 (Meh)

Jackson 2020 rd 7 #239 (Good Pick) 

Johnson 2019 rd 6 #181 (Meh, maybe good) 

Taron Johnson 2018 rd 4 #121 (Good pick) 

Knox 2019 rd 3 #96 (Good Pick) 

Lewis 2019 UDFA (Meh pickup) 

Milano 2017 rd 5 #163 (Good Pick, maybe great) 

Moss 2020 rd 3 #86 (Dumpster fire, maybe meh) 

Neal 2018 rd 5 #154 (Good Pick) 

Oliver 2019 rd 1 #9 (Maybe good)

Phillips 2018 rd 3 #96 ( Maybe good)

Rousseau 2021 rd 1 #30 (Maybe good) 

Singletary 2019 rd 3 #74 (Good Pick) 

Stevenson2021 rd 6 #203 (Meh) 

Sweeney 2019 rd 7 #228 (Dumpster fire, maybe meh)

Wallace 2018 UDFA (Great Pickup, all things considering)  

White 2017 rd 1 #27 (Great pick) 

Zimmer 2016 UDFA (Good pickup) 

 

I realize not all of these are Beane picks or signings, but what I do have listed is not really a good showing for Beane. 

 

I also haven’t mentioned these players. 

 

Jake Fromm

Isaiah Hodgins 

Vosean Joseph 

Ray Ray McCloud

Austin Proehl 

Rachad Wildgoose 

Jack Anderson 

 

 

Instead of typing lots of names, ask yourself one simple question. “How does this team compare to the one Beane inherited?”

 

if you are not able to answer that question with a resounding “leaps and bounds better” then there is no hope for you.

 

Look at the big picture, stop getting lost in the weeds.

[machine gun kelly]

BB, good take.  When placed in that context, it’s abundantly clear.

[Einstein]

5 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

thanks Einstein 

I’ll try to remember that 

 

🙄

 

what exact sentence or sentences in my post do you most disagree with?

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Beerball said:

Instead of typing lots of names, ask yourself one simple question. “How does this team compare to the one Beane inherited?”

 

if you are not able to answer that question with a resounding “leaps and bounds better” then there is no hope for you.

 

Look at the big picture, stop getting lost in the weeds.

 

Yeah, but the team was loaded with young talent.  Sure it never led to wins, but they were young and talented!

[Einstein]

2 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Apparently, they weren’t imagining that Beane picked Rosen. Tell them to get with the imaginary program!!!   

 

I realize that you’re modus operandi is sarcasm but surely you understand the purpose of isolating a heavily weighted variable (such as QB), to determine whether the variables outside of the heavily weighted  are of quality.

 

Or maybe you don’t….

 

.

 

Edited July 5, 2022 by Einstein

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Second best gm in franchise history so far. Could become the best this season. 

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Beerball said:

Instead of typing lots of names, ask yourself one simple question. “How does this team compare to the one Beane inherited?”

 

if you are not able to answer that question with a resounding “leaps and bounds better” then there is no hope for you.

 

Look at the big picture, stop getting lost in the weeds.

 

Staying with the big picture, how may rosters in the NFL, top to bottom, would you trade the Bills roster for? That should not be a big number, if any. Vegas seems to agree as we are again considered a top Super Bowl contender. That tells me what I need to know about Beane and the job he’s done.