Bills finished 6th in rushing(5th in YPC) and 11th in passing

[Big Turk]

So much for the people who claim we can't run the ball. Actually finished ahead of the Patriots in both yards and YPC.

 

The passing game has not been great this year. Chew on that for a few minutes.

[Coach Tuesday]

The issue is we have trouble running the ball in obvious running situations.  Allen's scrambles in passing situations account for the strong rushing numbers.  But that's not a sustainable approach to offense in the playoffs.

[BuffaloRebound]

I don’t think anybody wants to see Josh run the ball 122 times per year, especially Pegula and Mcdermott.  

[billybrew1]

The issue has been how can the Bills field a better offense than the one they're playing against in very windy conditions at the Ralph.

The issue has been resolved with an RPO offense featuring a running QB. Like it, don't like it, that's the way we are going and we are going to win. 
 

Go Bills!

[Big Turk]

12 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

The issue is we have trouble running the ball in obvious running situations.  Allen's scrambles in passing situations account for the strong rushing numbers.  But that's not a sustainable approach to offense in the playoffs.

 

Just not born out in any situation really...only times when we have 1st and under 10 yards to go.

 

On 1st and 10, we rushed 193 times for 849 yards, 4.4 YPC

On 2nd and 1-3, we averaged 4.1 YPC 

On 2nd and 4-6, we averaged 4.8 YPC

On 2nd and 7-9, we averaged 5.8 YPC. 

 

The only place we were poor in running the ball was in the redzone and especially inside the opponent 10 yard line where we averaged 3.3 YPC and 2.2 YPC respectively.  That's where we need to improve.  On rushes between the 20's we averaged over 5 YPC

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2021_splits.htm#down_distance_splits

Edited January 10, 2022 by Big Turk

[DrDawkinstein]

Please stop with these "Here is our overall stat from the entire season so there must not be a problem" posts. The cumulative stats tell us NOTHING.

 

If folks dont see a huge consistency problem with the way our Offense operates then that's on you.

 

Decision making and playcalling in very specific times is the issue. Not the overall stats that were heavily padded by a few blowouts against cupcakes.

[KingBoots8]

The biggest gripe people will have is that nearly 40% of the rushing is done by our QB. He attributed 770 yards out of 2210 total rush yards this year. Situationally it’s fine of course, but our lead rusher Singletary had only 100 more yards than Josh. 
 

Honestly i just wish we could execute runs when needed by the guys employed to do so. Devin has looked great this year when he can be consistently used. Moss hasn’t been the same back since his injury last year (something I think people gloss over or forget entirely). 
 

Despite his 4.6 YPC, nobody fears Singletary. I’m not sure why he isn’t more heavily involved, but I suspect it may do with his butterfingers he has the previous 2 years. We all know McD hates fumbles.
 

Moss is like Frank Gore was for us… if you need 2 yards, he will get 2 yards. If you need 4 yards, he will get you 2 yards. He won’t fumble though!

 

Breida is there. That’s about it.

[BuffaloBill]

14 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

I don’t think anybody wants to see Josh run the ball 122 times per year, especially Pegula and Mcdermott.  

 

 

Amen to this ^^^^^

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Please stop with these "Here is our overall stat from the entire season so there must not be a problem" posts. The cumulative stats tell us NOTHING.

 

If folks dont see a huge consistency problem with the way our Offense operates then that's on you.

 

Decision making and playcalling in very specific times is the issue. Not the overall stats that were heavily padded by a few blowouts against cupcakes.

 

The only place where we struggle to run the ball well is inside the redzone, which is something that needs to be addressed either via playcalls or via offensive line. 

3 minutes ago, KingBoots8 said:

The biggest gripe people will have is that nearly 40% of the rushing is done by our QB. He attributed 770 yards out of 2210 total rush yards this year. Situationally it’s fine of course, but our lead rusher Singletary had only 100 more yards than Josh. 
 

Honestly i just wish we could execute runs when needed by the guys employed to do so. Devin has looked great this year when he can be consistently used. Moss hasn’t been the same back since his injury last year (something I think people gloss over or forget entirely). 
 

Despite his 4.6 YPC, nobody fears Singletary. I’m not sure why he isn’t more heavily involved, but I suspect it may do with his butterfingers he has the previous 2 years. We all know McD hates fumbles.
 

Moss is like Frank Gore was for us… if you need 2 yards, he will get 2 yards. If you need 4 yards, he will get you 2 yards. He won’t fumble though!

 

Breida is there. That’s about it.

 

Welcome to the new NFL.  Get used to it.

Edited January 10, 2022 by Big Turk

[auburnbillsbacker]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

The issue is we have trouble running the ball in obvious running situations.  Allen's scrambles in passing situations account for the strong rushing numbers.  But that's not a sustainable approach to offense in the playoffs.

I agree with half of this.  We haven't been great at running the ball in obvious running situations but I do think that Allen running the ball can be sustained over 4 games.  

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

The issue is we have trouble running the ball in obvious running situations.  Allen's scrambles in passing situations account for the strong rushing numbers.  But that's not a sustainable approach to offense in the playoffs.

I don’t think Allen scrambled as much this year compared to last year…a decent amount of our success was designed qb runs.  We also iced quite a few games late running the ball with authority.  

[ArtVandalay]

2 hours ago, Big Turk said:

So much for the people who claim we can't run the ball. Actually finished ahead of the Patriots in both yards and YPC.

 

The passing game has not been great this year. Chew on that for a few minutes.

Well remove Allen them show the numbers.  Also, the issue is that we also choose not to run, like vs TB we didn't have a single RB run in the 1H.

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

I don’t think anybody wants to see Josh run the ball 122 times per year, especially Pegula and Mcdermott.  

I’d love to see him run that much in the playoffs. His running ability is probably the best thing our O has going for it. He consistently beats the first man in front of him.  Get him moving on almost every pass play and give him the opportunity to run the ball.  Easier said than done, but that’s when he’s at his best imo

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

4 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Well remove Allen them show the numbers.  Also, the issue is that we also choose not to run, like vs TB we didn't have a single RB run in the 1H.

Why in the modern nfl are you just ignoring qb rushing though…that’s the thing I never understand.  Imagine ravens or cardinals fans saying that lol also singletary was towards the top of the league in ypc

Edited January 10, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[ArtVandalay]

2 hours ago, Big Turk said:

So much for the people who claim we can't run the ball. Actually finished ahead of the Patriots in both yards and YPC.

 

The passing game has not been great this year. Chew on that for a few minutes.

Remove Josh Allen stats and the Bills are 31st in rushing yards with 1446 and 20th in YPC 4.27.

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Why in the modern nfl are you just ignoring qb rushing though…that’s the thing I never understand.  Imagine ravens or cardinals fans saying that lol also singletary was towards the top of the league in ypc

Because the entire point everyone has been saying all year is the Bills can't run outside of Allen, he needs a run game and doesn't have one unless he does it himself. 

 

Obviously we have massive improvements down the stretch that could be a difference maker in the playoffs now. 

Edited January 10, 2022 by ArtVandalay

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, ArtVandalay said:

Remove Josh Allen stats and the Bills and the Bills are 31st in rushing yards Werth 1446 and 20th in YPC 4.27.

The colts had one of the best performances by a rb in regular season history and where are they 

[BuffaloRebound]

6 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I’d love to see him run that much in the playoffs. His running ability is probably the best thing our O has going for it. He consistently beats the first man in front of him.  Get him moving on almost every pass play and give him the opportunity to run the ball.  Easier said than done, but that’s when he’s at his best imo

I think we can live with Allen running more in the playoffs and in some huge regular season games, but we gotta get a better non-QB running game to protect the franchise QB.  

[ArtVandalay]

Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

The colts had one of the best performances by a rb in regular season history and where are they 

You're missing the point. We are talking about a team being fit to win a super bowl.

 

The Colts don't have good QB play, very different team and they play in a dome. 

 

The Bills need to run especially in cold weather. Their RBs were so ineffective it hurt the team.  Hopefully the improvement sticks but it is still the weakness of this team and may doom us in poor weather.

[Big Turk]

11 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Well remove Allen them show the numbers.  Also, the issue is that we also choose not to run, like vs TB we didn't have a single RB run in the 1H.

 

It's the modern NFL,  that makes no sense...QB running has become a huge part of the run game for many teams.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

12 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Remove Josh Allen stats and the Bills are 31st in rushing yards with 1446 and 20th in YPC 4.27.

Because the entire point everyone has been saying all year is the Bills can't run outside of Allen, he needs a run game and doesn't have one unless he does it himself. 

 

Obviously we have massive improvements down the stretch that could be a difference maker in the playoffs now. 

The point is kind of false though…singletary averaged 4.6 ypc in the regular season that’s pretty darn good especially for a dude that isn’t really built to break a huge 80 yard run.  I don’t understand why a team with all these receiving weapons would want to pound the rock 35 times a game.  We’ve just got a kind of warped sense of what a successful running game looks like because the colts absolutely obliterated us then the pats snuck out that wind game win 

 

seems like people blame us not being able to run when we run the ball a couple of times on a series then go 3 and out but even the most successful rushing team gets bottled up a lot of the time if you’re looking at each play.  Like when a guy has 25 carries for 125 yards a good 10 of those could be for no or little gain.  and when you’ve got the offensive weapons we do that is not always going to give you the best chance to win 

Edited January 10, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[NewEra]

Just now, BuffaloRebound said:

I think we can live with Allen running more in the playoffs and in some huge regular season games, but we gotta get a better non-QB running game to protect the franchise QB.  

I agree 💯.  It’s looked improved in recent weeks…..but vs bad defenses.  Not sure I confidant I am in our run game (minus 17) vs a top 12 run D

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, ArtVandalay said:

You're missing the point. We are talking about a team being fit to win a super bowl.

 

The Colts don't have good QB play, very different team and they play in a dome. 

 

The Bills need to run especially in cold weather. Their RBs were so ineffective it hurt the team.  Hopefully the improvement sticks but it is still the weakness of this team and may doom us in poor weather.

Why does a rb stuffing the ball between the tackles need to be what our running game looks like is the part I’m hung up on…there’s tons of ways to threaten run…that is just so terribly antiquated and not very successful for teams without an absolute freak of nature at rb

[Lothar]

You mean like the Bucs, where we ran with both Allen and Singletary against the top running defense in the second half. 

 

Scheme and playcalling with Allen is how a team like Buffalo defeats the better run defenses.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Just not born out in any situation really...only times when we have 1st and under 10 yards to go.

 

On 1st and 10, we rushed 193 times for 849 yards, 4.4 YPC

On 2nd and 1-3, we averaged 4.1 YPC 

On 2nd and 4-6, we averaged 4.8 YPC

On 2nd and 7-9, we averaged 5.8 YPC. 

 

The only place we were poor in running the ball was in the redzone and especially inside the opponent 10 yard line where we averaged 3.3 YPC and 2.2 YPC respectively.  That's where we need to improve.  On rushes between the 20's we averaged over 5 YPC

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2021_splits.htm#down_distance_splits

 

How are their red zone numbers in comparison to other teams?

[Big Turk]

22 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

You're missing the point. We are talking about a team being fit to win a super bowl.

 

The Colts don't have good QB play, very different team and they play in a dome. 

 

The Bills need to run especially in cold weather. Their RBs were so ineffective it hurt the team.  Hopefully the improvement sticks but it is still the weakness of this team and may doom us in poor weather.

 

Sounds like "get off my lawn" guy.

 

Join us in the 2021 version of the NFL not 1973 version that you apparently still reside in.

Edited January 10, 2022 by Big Turk

[Motorin']

30 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Well remove Allen them show the numbers.  Also, the issue is that we also choose not to run, like vs TB we didn't have a single RB run in the 1H.

 

Motor was #16 in the league rushing this year. He was 59 yards short of being #10, while every rusher ahead of him had significantly more carries. 

 

I agree that there were many games where we chose not to run. But you can't subtract Allen's yardage and say it doesn't count. 

 

Only 5 teams had more rushing yards, because we have Allen + Singletary. Only two of those teams are in the playoffs. 

[Bangarang]

2 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

I don’t think anybody wants to see Josh run the ball 122 times per year, especially Pegula and Mcdermott.  

The problem isn’t him running, it’s the hits he takes. Just get down and stop trying to barrel through guys for a few extra meaningless yards. 

[Chandler#81]

52 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Remove Josh Allen stats and the Bills are 31st in rushing yards with 1446 and 20th in YPC 4.27.

Because the entire point everyone has been saying all year is the Bills can't run outside of Allen, he needs a run game and doesn't have one unless he does it himself. 

 

Obviously we have massive improvements down the stretch that could be a difference maker in the playoffs now. 

This is just ridiculous.🤦‍♂️

[Big Turk]

48 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I agree 💯.  It’s looked improved in recent weeks…..but vs bad defenses.  Not sure I confidant I am in our run game (minus 17) vs a top 12 run D

Bills ran 7 times for 64 yards against Tampa Bay outside of 17.

19 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

The problem isn’t him running, it’s the hits he takes. Just get down and stop trying to barrel through guys for a few extra meaningless yards. 

 

He doesn't take all that many hits, TBH

[Dopey]

2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Please stop with these "Here is our overall stat from the entire season so there must not be a problem" posts. The cumulative stats tell us NOTHING.

 

If folks dont see a huge consistency problem with the way our Offense operates then that's on you.

 

Decision making and playcalling in very specific times is the issue. Not the overall stats that were heavily padded by a few blowouts against cupcakes.

The cumulative stats are important. Every team has moments of inconsistency. Some more than others. You will never get perfection. Deal with it. I don't see a consistency issue and that's on me. Doesn't mean you're right. you just have an opinion. Like everyone else. 

 

[HalftimeAdjustment]

This needs to be looked at in context of other playoff teams. Here are the yardage rankings from NFL.com, ordered by passing rank:

 

Bucs: 1st pass, 26th rush

Dallas: 3rd pass, 9th rush

KC: 4th pass, 16th rush

Rams: 5th pass, 25th rush

Raiders: 6th pass, 28th rush

Bengals: 7th pass, 23rd rush

Cardinals: 8th pass, 10th rush

Packers: 9th pass, 18th rush

Bills: 11th pass, 6th rush

49ers: 12th pass, 7th rush

Patriots: 14th pass, 8th rush

Steelers: 15th pass, 29th rush

Titans: 23rd pass, 5th rush

Eagles: 29th pass, 1st rush

 

From this, it does appear that improving our YPA in the passing game would be our best bet for more overall offensive consistency. If there are any offenses we might want to be "more like" they are all above us in the passing stats. As far as shifting some of the rushing burden from Josh to the RBs that would be best for our long term success, but in the end we did well on the ground overall. 

[uninja]

3 hours ago, Big Turk said:

So much for the people who claim we can't run the ball. Actually finished ahead of the Patriots in both yards and YPC.

 

The passing game has not been great this year. Chew on that for a few minutes.

 

And Allen has still thrown for 4.4k yards and 36 TDs.

[DrDawkinstein]

29 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

The problem isn’t him running, it’s the hits he takes. Just get down and stop trying to barrel through guys for a few extra meaningless yards. 

 

Ehh, Josh takes some hits, but none are as destructive and damaging as the type of hits Cam was taking. Josh has a better way of dishing it out and absorbing the hit than just getting crushed like other QBs.

 

It's always a concern with him running, but I'm less concerned than I would be with some other players.

[TBBills]

3 hours ago, Big Turk said:

So much for the people who claim we can't run the ball. Actually finished ahead of the Patriots in both yards and YPC.

 

The passing game has not been great this year. Chew on that for a few minutes.

I don't think you understood  what people were saying.  The passing game has actually been really good this year. Bad weather played a part and still Josh put up huge passing numbers.

Edited January 10, 2022 by TBBills

[Big Turk]

9 minutes ago, TBBills said:

I don't think you understood  what people were saying.  The passing game has actually been really good this year. Bad weather played a part and still Josh put up huge passing numbers.

 

No...last year the passing game was great. Allen put up more yards in less games. This year it took a step back.

[TBBills]

5 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

No...last year the passing game was great. Allen put up more yards in less games. This year it took a step back.

Not really with the bad weather games, also compared to the rest of the league b.c you cannot really compare last year. You need to compare to the league this year.

Edited January 10, 2022 by TBBills

[DapperCam]

6 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

No...last year the passing game was great. Allen put up more yards in less games. This year it took a step back.

How many bad weather games were there last year? I can’t remember one besides the Ravens in the playoffs.

 

We’ve had a lot more this year. Like 1/3 of the games where the opposing QB struggled as well (or weren’t allowed to throw at all, lol).

[Nextmanup]

3 hours ago, Big Turk said:

So much for the people who claim we can't run the ball. Actually finished ahead of the Patriots in both yards and YPC.

 

The passing game has not been great this year. Chew on that for a few minutes.

Some of us have been pointing out that we can run the ball all year long.

The folks who think we are terrible at it are the same ones who write "Analytics, shamalytics" and so on, and think Justin Herbert is overrated and the Chargers have a bad coach.

 

And the Bills' roster needs to be stripped down and made to be "tougher."

 

 

 

 

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, TBBills said:

Not really with the bad weather games, also compared to the rest of the league b.c you cannot really compare last year. You need to compare to the league this year.

 

OK.  There were 10 teams that finished with more passing yards than the Bills did this year. Last year there were only 2 teams that did.

There were 7 teams that finished with more passing TDs than the Bills did this year.  Last year there were only 2 teams that did.  

 

Allen threw more interceptions this year, fewer TDs, had a lower completion percentage, and MUCH lower Y/A(from 8 to 6.8 from 5th to 23rd this year).  

 

Not sure on what basis you claim it wasn't a step back but literally there is no statistical category the Bills were better in this year passing than last year.

[Victory Formation]

Allen is a big part of that. Singletary is also good if not very solid but the RB room behind him is kind of meh. Buffalo needs another quality back, no doubt about it.