Bills opponents called for defensive holding only twice all year on more than 500 dropbacks. How is this even possible?

[Big Turk]

This doesn't even make sense...how the hell can the Bills be called multiple times a game it seems, but opponents never do, unless it's Xavien Howard apparently since he has gotten called for defensive holding  once each game against the Dolphins and is the only player to have gotten called for it against us?  Seems like multiple times a game Bills WRs are getting manhandled with no calls...is this a concerted effort by the NFL officials??

 

 

Edited December 14, 2021 by Big Turk

[djp14150]

League Against buffalo success….

[The 9 Isles]

https://torontosun.com/sports/krykslants-just-one-opposing-defender-all-season-has-been-flagged-for-defensive-holding-vs-the-bills

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In fact, the only opposing defender in Buffalo’s 13 games to be flagged for defensive holding is Xavien Howard of the Miami Dolphins, once on each occasion the two teams played, in October and November.

That’s over 13 games.

One defender. Twice.

 

[Big Turk]

6 minutes ago, djp14150 said:

League Against buffalo success….

 

I don't want to seem like a conspiracy theorist but I mean...I am not sure what else to think...it's almost impossible to imagine how this is possible unless the league has given the refs some sort of directive, especially considering how egregious some of the  non-calls have been.  Kind of reminds me of Hughes never getting any calls although he gets held on nearly every pass rush, some of them just amazingly obvious right in front of the refs and no flags.

Edited December 14, 2021 by Big Turk

[Coffeesforclosers]

Huh.  How convenient.

[DasNootz]

For reference, here are the Bills stats vs. teams many consider to be favorites for the NFL (WWE).

 

Buffalo Pass Attempts: 502
Defensive Holding: 2
Def. Pass Interference: 9

 

KC Pass Attempts: 519

Def. Holding: 15
Def. Pass Interference: 2

 

NE Pass Attempts: 394
Def. Holding: 3
Def. Pass Interference: 12

[Big Turk]

11 minutes ago, DasNootz said:

For reference, here are the Bills stats vs. teams many consider to be favorites for the NFL (WWE).

 

Buffalo Pass Attempts: 502
Defensive Holding: 2
Def. Pass Interference: 9

 

KC Pass Attempts: 519

Def. Holding: 15
Def. Pass Interference: 2

 

NE Pass Attempts: 394
Def. Holding: 3
Def. Pass Interference: 12

 

So you mean to tell me defenders are holding and committing DPI on NE's trash receivers more than they are holding Diggs, Sanders and Beasley? On far fewer attempts?? 

 

As Randy Moss would say...

"C'mon Man!!!"

 

 

 

As George Foreman once said when presented with how a huge underdog could potentially win a boxing match against his heavily favored opponent and asked if he thought it was plausible...

 

"I'd buy a cheeseburger, but I wouldn't by that."

 

 

Edited December 14, 2021 by Big Turk

[RiotAct]

our opponents are just that skilled and clean!!!

[P Riv]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

So you mean to tell me defenders are holding and committing DPI on NE's trash receivers more than they are holding Diggs, Sanders and Beasley? On far fewer attempts??  As Randy Moss would say...

 

"C'mon Man!!!"

 

The stats include TEs, and you have to consider that they run a totally different passing offense.  I have to wonder if all of that play action they run has an effect on whether or not DB's have that "oh sh't" factor and grab the receiver after falling for the fake.  Just postulating, but I think that may play a significant role.

[78thealltimegreat]

Pretty obvious this would be a great stat for McDermott to bring up before the New England game if he had the balls to do it with how physical their secondary is

[nedboy7]

I mean what do you expect. McBean drafted Edmunds.  

[Blank Stare]

[Dan]

The Pegulas need to take this information, along with the screen captures of Diggs jersey being pulled off him, to the league offices.  Demand a meeting with Goodell and ask for an explanation.  They have to make it known that they too have spent billions of dollars and support they league, so they too need to be treated fairly by the league’s officials. 

[DasNootz]

We've also been called for nearly double roughing the QBs compared to league average, despite having the 4th fewest passes against in the league.

[LABILLBACKER]

People please stop with this over used term "conspiracy".  The NFL must have a means to steer games. They do it thru their hand picked controlled refs. It's not a conspiracy but a business model. It's been going on for years. Players like Brady get protection because of the revenue they generate. Wake up.

[whorlnut]

This is a disgusting and embarrassing stat for the league. Especially since multiple holds pretty much cost us the game Sunday.  

[Big Turk]

19 minutes ago, P Riv said:

 

The stats include TEs, and you have to consider that they run a totally different passing offense.  I have to wonder if all of that play action they run has an effect on whether or not DB's have that "oh sh't" factor and grab the receiver after falling for the fake.  Just postulating, but I think that may play a significant role.

 

We run play action a ton as well, and before you say something about us not running the ball well, it has already been shown via numerous studies and analytics that running the ball well is of no consequence to whether play action is effective or not...there is simply no way in the world that teams are holding their receivers more than the Bills receivers...and our TE is probably having as good or better a year then either of theirs is.

Edited December 14, 2021 by Big Turk

[Bferra13]

12 minutes ago, Dan said:

The Pegulas need to take this information, along with the screen captures of Diggs jersey being pulled off him, to the league offices.  Demand a meeting with Goodell and ask for an explanation.  They have to make it known that they too have spent billions of dollars and support they league, so they too need to be treated fairly by the league’s officials. 

Exactly what I said after the game. My first thought was McD should bring it up in the PC and take the fine, but that's only going to put more of a target on the Bills by these bozos. Pegula needs to get the data together and raise hell to NFL brass.

[CircleTheWagons99]

3 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Remember the guy on the X-Files who said: "The Buffalo Bills will never win a SuperBowl while I'm still alive".

 

That dude must still be alive...

 

[Big Turk]

15 minutes ago, DasNootz said:

We've also been called for nearly double roughing the QBs compared to league average, despite having the 4th fewest passes against in the league.

 

How the hell is this possible??  

[P Riv]

13 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

We run play action a ton as well, and before you say something about us not running the ball well, it has already been shown via numerous studies and analytics that running the ball well is of no consequence to whether play action is effective or not...there is simply no way in the world that teams are holding their receivers more than the Bills receivers...and our TE is probably having as good or better a year then either of theirs is.

 

It was just a guess.  Anyway, we're middle of the pack in penalties: https://www.nflpenalties.com/

[Big Turk]

7 minutes ago, P Riv said:

 

It was just a guess.  Anyway, we're middle of the pack in penalties: https://www.nflpenalties.com/

 

We are 4th highest in the NFL in terms of penalties per play, not middle of the pack...but surprisingly also the 10th highest "beneficiaries" of penalties on the opponents as well...although the net is still slightly negative...and they must be the crappy variety considering our net is 9th worst at -3.829 yards

 

Surprisingly Tampa Bay is the lowest in terms of Beneficiary rate, meaning the fewest penalties have been called against their opponents...except when they play the Bills apparently.  Bills are also in the top 7 for declined penalties and offsetting penalties.

 

Edited December 14, 2021 by Big Turk

[Dr. K]

WTF?

 

Appalling.

Edited December 14, 2021 by Dr. K

[Bookie Man]

Very odd. Even though it seems teams play us with more zone, that's still an alarmingly low number. 

[TC in St. Louis]

The truth is out.  There were at least 3 flagrant holds on Diggs on Sunday.  Zero calls.  Yet they had no problem flagging #21 on our side for nothing in the first.  

[BuffaloBillies]

Bills are one of only 3 teams (Cle, NE) without a single offensive pass interference penalty this year.

Not sure what that means, but interesting.

[Niagara Dude]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

This doesn't even make sense...how the hell can the Bills be called multiple times a game it seems, but opponents never do, unless it's Xavien Howard apparently since he has gotten called for defensive holding  once each game against the Dolphins and is the only player to have gotten called for it against us?  Seems like multiple times a game Bills WRs are getting manhandled with no calls...is this a concerted effort by the NFL officials??

 

 

Our receivers are more quick in space then fast,  they create separation with quick moves.  DB'S use their hands to defend against this,  this was highlighted in the KC AFC title game and Sean has never called it out with reporters. Sean should have brought attention to it after the game Sunday with plenty of national media attending the game.  Sean may think it was not worth the fine but he fails to realize if this is allowed to continue it will hold back the strenght of this team which is scoring points.

[Big Turk]

Starting to think there is some form of confirmation bias happening...refs are aware the Bills are one of the most penalized teams, so they may unknowingly call a penalty on the Bills that is borderline far more often than against other teams that don't have this reputation.

Just now, Niagara Dude said:

Our receivers are more quick in space then fast,  they create separation with quick moves.  DB'S use their hands to defend against this,  this was highlighted in the KC AFC title game and Sean has never called it out with reporters. Sean should have brought attention to it after the game Sunday with plenty of national media attending the game.  Sean may think it was not worth the fine but he fails to realize if this is allowed to continue it will hold back the strenght of this team which is scoring points.

 

Yeah, that's exactly my point!  These are the types of receivers that get held due to them being able to change direction and leave people flat footed or moving the wrong way.

[P Riv]

18 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

We are 4th highest in the NFL in terms of penalties per play, not middle of the pack...but surprisingly also the 10th highest "beneficiaries" of penalties on the opponents as well...although the net is still slightly negative...and they must be the crappy variety considering our net is 9th worst at -3.829 yards

 

Surprisingly Tampa Bay is the lowest in terms of Beneficiary rate, meaning the fewest penalties have been called against their opponents...except when they play the Bills apparently.  Bills are also in the top 7 for declined penalties and offsetting penalties.

 

At -4 yds a game net, its tough to make a case that the League is out to get us.  We're averaging 6.8 per game, which looks like every other year's average for us: https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/penalties-per-game

 

[OrangeBills]

6 minutes ago, BuffaloBillies said:

Bills are one of only 3 teams (Cle, NE) without a single offensive pass interference penalty this year.

Not sure what that means, but interesting.

 

We don't run pick plays that's all that means.  

 

The one that could have been called was I think Knox vs. Chiefs

[The Wiz]

44 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Remember the guy on the X-Files who said: "The Buffalo Bills will never win a SuperBowl while I'm still alive".

 

That dude must still be alive...

Must be true since Tretiak was pretty slow on his blocker side that night in the Olympics.

[Mat68]

I feel like they are selling the flag too much.  Go through the defender and try and make the play.  Do that there is less doubt.  Its in Diggs head a bit.  Just go make the play.  The penalty is more blatant in real time vs throwing your arms up and flopping. 

[Big Turk]

5 minutes ago, P Riv said:

 

At -4 yds a game net, its tough to make a case that the League is out to get us.  We're averaging 6.8 per game, which looks like every other year's average for us: https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/penalties-per-game

 

 

A little misleading since declined and offsetting are not included in that number. Jumps to 8.38 if those are included.  Only Dallas, LV and Chargers average more...and Dallas is far and away the team that benefits the most from opponent flags as well so they mostly offset.

Edited December 14, 2021 by Big Turk

[P Riv]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

A little misleading since declined and offsetting are not included in that number. Jumps to 8.38 if those are included.

 

And you have to do that for everyone else too then.  Its only misleading if you remove it from its original context....

[Big Turk]

14 minutes ago, P Riv said:

 

And you have to do that for everyone else too then.  Its only misleading if you remove it from its original context....

I did in the proper context...they are 4th highest with those included for all teams.

[Freddie's Dead]

1 hour ago, DasNootz said:

For reference, here are the Bills stats vs. teams many consider to be favorites for the NFL (WWE).

 

Buffalo Pass Attempts: 502
Defensive Holding: 2
Def. Pass Interference: 9

 

KC Pass Attempts: 519

Def. Holding: 15
Def. Pass Interference: 2

 

NE Pass Attempts: 394
Def. Holding: 3
Def. Pass Interference: 12

 

By percentage:

 

Beews - 2%

Chefs - 3% (looks small, but that means that the Chefs get a penalty 50% more than the Bills)

Cheats - 4% (33% more than the Chefs, 100% more than the Bills)

 

Yes Virginia, the NFL is fixed.

 

[Thriftygamer83]

When officials are engaged into point shaving, coupled with skimming, and openly operating to make calls they feel like making as has been quoted in past articles.  It defines things pretty well and it's all left to their own interpretations as the league refuses to address it.  For me it honestly doesn't matter when they start saying this guy's an FBI Agent, or an IRS Agent, a prosecutor, and or a Judge.  They've been some of the most crooked folks if you look at Winterhill, mob cases, and book fixers.  Just because the NFL says they impose "strict character codes" doesn't mean that they actively enforce anything at all.  I look at the former Panthers owner being forced out for sexual harassment 

 

You turn around and Bob Kraft is in a Tong and Traid operated spa getting serviced.  The league does literally nothing for any character code and fans step up.  It's frustrating to me watching as sex workers talked about legality, then went into how it was entrapment, and would tell me they couldn't discuss any Tong or Trraid groups bankrolling their Twitter interests and or supplying third party lobbyists to pus for legalization.  I'm guessing Bob's connections to getting his girls tailored for a specific age range most likely comes out of Boston's China Town.  League will never really act for any other team except the ones which will be "protected" by it's own interests.  Now, just playing the waiting game because if Roger Goodell steps down he's going to jail.

[P Riv]

Not buying it.... nope.  

[freddyjj]

Some other weird things this year:

1. Pats run RB on Bills on all but 3 plays on a MON, Bills don't hand off to a RB on SUN in 1st half.
2. Bills give up a +40 yd rushing TD for the 4th time this year vs BUCS.
3. And double down by giving up a 58 Yd Passing TD in OT in same game.
4. Bills chose to go for it vs TN inside 5 in last minute - afraid of Tannehill in OT?
5. Bills then chose to kick FG and go to OT vs the GOAT in Tampa in similar situation? 

 

[Billzgobowlin]

I would love for someone to do stats on offensive holding against Bills line.