Again the offense is just off....

[Billsfan1972]

Said it before, but yesterday again brought it to light.  24-7 I still thought tds to end the half and start the second was in the cards.

 

But they were terrible.  Yes the weather was bad, but again, just so little from the offense when needed.

 

What's going on?

[Billzgobowlin]

That's a lot to ask any offense.  Getting in a hole 24-7 and expecting everything to go right.  There is probably only a couple teams in the league that you would be optimistic about that type of comeback.

[BuffaloRebound]

This has been a while in the making.  Daboll’s run at the blackjack table is over.  Teams started figuring us out last year.  Daboll has no answer other than doing the same thing and he built an offense that can’t run the ball.  

[Mr. WEO]

I won't even touch this hot take...

[Gugny]

We're simply not that good.  It's really as easy as looking at who we've beaten .. and who we've lost to.  This is a middle of the road team, at BEST.  And that's not gonna change as long as Beane ignores the trenches.

[Andy1]

We have all seen teams worse than our Bills overcome 24-7 deficits with a half a game still to play. They seem to be missing inner mental strength to overcome difficulties. Maybe they got spoiled on a soft schedule. Maybe coaches aren’t adjusting enough. Maybe they just think Josh will pull a rabbit out of a hat to win. They were missing key players yesterday but good teams find a way to overcome obstacles. Whatever it is, they better figure it out soon.

Edited November 22, 2021 by Andy1

[TAinLack.]

...should of asked Frank Reich to come in at QB for the 2nd half.

[thenorthremembers]

Cody Ford and Ike Boettger are the starting Guards.   Zack Moss has no business being in the NFL, outside of maybe a goal line back.   Two of our three wideouts are over 32 years old, and one is breaking down physically.    The Offensive Coordinator thinks he has Superman at QB so he relies on him to do everything, and thats working less in less.      For the purposes of Josh's career, I sincerely hope the Bills figure out how to implement a balanced offense.  

[BillMafia716ix]

Bills are too one dimensional on offense and teams have finally caught up. It’s been like this for 3 years now. Allen doesn’t play well the Bills don’t win. They still haven’t found a way to win games when Allen is off.  That’s on OC. Daboll is too stuck in his ways

[Andy1]

I should also add that McBean have built a team for passing and for defending the pass. Under the right conditions, it’s a powerhouse. But maybe that needs some rethinking after this year.

[Billsfan1972]

Look at Pitt yesterday, or GB and what they can do.

 

The one thing coming into this year I was excited about is the offense being even better.  

 

Diggs long completion was 9 yards, no real long pass plays and Allen who is great at 20 yard passes had so few.  

 

Used to be 3rd and 17 and I didn't feel it was out of range.  

[SectionC3]

4 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Cody Ford and Ike Boettger are the starting Guards.   Zack Moss has no business being in the NFL, outside of maybe a goal line back.   Two of our three wideouts are over 32 years old, and one is breaking down physically.    The Offensive Coordinator thinks he has Superman at QB so he relies on him to do everything, and thats working less in less.      For the purposes of Josh's career, I sincerely hope the Bills figure out how to implement a balanced offense.  

 

I agree with everything about this except for Zack Moss's proficiency as a goal line back.  He's not that.  Our best short yardage back is Josh Allen.  And it's not just because he's good at it.  It's because he's the only one on this team who is good at it.  It has been a problem for awhile. 

3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Look at Pitt yesterday, or GB and what they can do.

 

The one thing coming into this year I was excited about is the offense being even better.  

 

Diggs long completion was 9 yards, no real long pass plays and Allen who is great at 20 yard passes had so few.  

 

Used to be 3rd and 17 and I didn't feel it was out of range.  

 

When we can't run the ball and can't protect well enough to take deep shots it is a major, major problem.  Maybe that's it in a nutshell right there.  

[SinceThe70s]

11 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Look at Pitt yesterday, or GB and what they can do.

 

The one thing coming into this year I was excited about is the offense being even better.  

 

Diggs long completion was 9 yards, no real long pass plays and Allen who is great at 20 yard passes had so few.  

 

Used to be 3rd and 17 and I didn't feel it was out of range.  

 

The Steelers and Packers lost yesterday. So did we. 

[Billsfan1972]

The point was they came back.  Yes eventually lost, but were not out of it.  

 

Also Rodgers hit long passes.  

 

24-7 & I still had hope.  

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

50 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Said it before, but yesterday again brought it to light.  24-7 I still thought tds to end the half and start the second was in the cards.

 

But they were terrible.  Yes the weather was bad, but again, just so little from the offense when needed.

 

What's going on?

You can beat us physically.

 

We make ourselves one-dimensional, the opponent knows Allen will be standing 5 yards behind center every play, go get him.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

50 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Said it before, but yesterday again brought it to light.  24-7 I still thought tds to end the half and start the second was in the cards.

 

But they were terrible.  Yes the weather was bad, but again, just so little from the offense when needed.

 

What's going on?

Is it really the “offense”? Go back and think about each drive of the game on offense. It seems like every drive stalled due to an execution error— drop, penalty, missed kick, errant throw. 

i don’t think the offensive scheme or even the offensive line was to blame yesterday. 

[SCBills]

The Offense has been off.. even when it’s on, it still looks like a grind this year.  
 

That said, I don’t take much away on Offense from yesterday.  
 

They had three possessions in the first half.  All three possessions moved into Indy’s side of the field.  
 

They had two possessions….. TWO, before getting the ball in rain/wind, right before half down 24-7.  
 

I mean.. what offense is going to do much of anything given those circumstances? 

[JoshAllin]

9 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

The point was they came back.  Yes eventually lost, but were not out of it.  

 

Also Rodgers hit long passes.  

 

24-7 & I still had hope.  

An L is an L it doesn't matter if you came back. Detroit has came back plenty of times and have 0 wins, bills have 6

[Casey D]

2 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Is it really the “offense”? Go back and think about each drive of the game on offense. It seems like every drive stalled due to an execution error— drop, penalty, missed kick, errant throw. 

i don’t think the offensive scheme or even the offensive line was to blame yesterday. 

I tend to agree.  Defense was simply unable to stop long methodical drives.  Bills only had three possessions in the first half.  The third after the McKenzie fumble really ended the game.  This game was mostly on the D.

 

But something more cosmic is wrong with this team.  The personnel is better than last year, but the team much worse.  I don't know what it is, maybe the vax issue which is galling to me and might be to others on the team when key guys are out because they won't get vaxed.  It gives other teams--almost all of whom have more players vaxed--a competitive advantage.  Maybe it has nothing to do with that.  But something is wrong in that locker room IMO.  

[HOUSE]

My car was just off too. The engine fell out

[BuffaloRebound]

1 minute ago, Casey D said:

I tend to agree.  Defense was simply unable to stop long methodical drives.  Bills only had three possessions in the first half.  The third after the McKenzie fumble really ended the game.  This game was mostly on the D.

 

But something more cosmic is wrong with this team.  The personnel is better than last year, but the team much worse.  I don't know what it is, maybe the vax issue which is galling to me and might be to others on the team when key guys are out because they won't get vaxed.  It gives other teams--almost all of whom have more players vaxed--a competitive advantage.  Maybe it has nothing to do with that.  But something is wrong in that locker room IMO.  

Where are this offense’s long methodical drives?  Sometimes in a tough game you gotta control the ball and move the chains.  This offense hasn’t shown that ability.  We need a defensive coordinator that’s gonna go Buddy Ryan on Kevin Gilbride.  Yes the defense was bad yesterday, but the defense has been the bright spot this year.  

[newcam2012]

56 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

This has been a while in the making.  Daboll’s run at the blackjack table is over.  Teams started figuring us out last year.  Daboll has no answer other than doing the same thing and he built an offense that can’t run the ball.  

I agree 100%. 

[The Firebaugh Kid]

Yesterday was a perfect storm (no pun). Got down big, so hero ball made an appearance. McKenzie stole all hope on that one mistake. We were looking at 17-14 or 17-10 heading into the half. Coupled with having to come back in the pouring rain against a team dominating the trenches. A tall order. They're not very tough, and they do not play well without Star and Brown. 

[JoshAllin]

I figured the game was going to be off when Ford killed the momentum with the penalty where Allen was going to run for a big one. Then the McKenzie fumble pretty much sealed it. 

[newcam2012]

56 minutes ago, Gugny said:

We're simply not that good.  It's really as easy as looking at who we've beaten .. and who we've lost to.  This is a middle of the road team, at BEST.  And that's not gonna change as long as Beane ignores the trenches.

In fairness he hasn't ignored the defensive side of the ball. They made a concentrated effort to improve their pass rush. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

20 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Is it really the “offense”? Go back and think about each drive of the game on offense. It seems like every drive stalled due to an execution error— drop, penalty, missed kick, errant throw. 

i don’t think the offensive scheme or even the offensive line was to blame yesterday. 

I think that is too narrow a view, yesterday that is. Execution was not the best that is correct. However, the problem is bigger than that. We've now scored 13 pts in 6 quarters against Jax and Indy, 2 of the worst pass defenses in NFL. We looked good against the Jets because they couldn't play physical enough up front against us. The problem all year is we get beat up front by physical fronts and Daboll makes us one -dimensional too often. Teams don't respect that we will run the ball and just attack the spot where Allen is and cover.

Edited November 22, 2021 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower

[SoCal Deek]

The Bills aren’t terrible. They just aren’t anywhere near as good as they were hyped up to be. After ten games that’’s clear now. Last night the Chargers looked like the Bills want to look, with a no name support cast around a young stud QB. And yet, the Chargers almost blew it and have the same record as our Bills. Things are going to have break the Bills way to make the playoffs. I don’t see this roster beating the Patriots or the Buccaneers. 

[newcam2012]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

The Bills aren’t terrible. They just aren’t anywhere near as good as they were hyped up to be. After ten games that’’s clear now. Last night the Chargers looked like the Bills want to look, with a no name support cast around a young stud QB. And yet, the Chargers almost blew it and have the same record as our Bills. Things are going to have break the Bills way to make the playoffs. I don’t see this roster beating the Patriots or the Buccaneers. 

I'm not sold on the Patriots. The Bills definitely won't neat the Bucs. 

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, newcam2012 said:

I'm not sold on the Patriots. The Bills definitely won't neat the Bucs. 

Have you watched the Patriots? We’re gonna get mauled! 

[SinceThe70s]

17 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

The point was they came back.  Yes eventually lost, but were not out of it.  

 

Also Rodgers hit long passes.  

 

24-7 & I still had hope.  

 

That's a good thing - all too often you come off as having no hope. We all want a SB win. Earlier this year I had us as legit SB contenders, now I've downgraded them to a legit playoff team. I remain hopeful (but skeptical) that they have a SB run in them this year.

[BillsPride12]

12 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Where are this offense’s long methodical drives?  Sometimes in a tough game you gotta control the ball and move the chains.  This offense hasn’t shown that ability.  We need a defensive coordinator that’s gonna go Buddy Ryan on Kevin Gilbride.  Yes the defense was bad yesterday, but the defense has been the bright spot this year.  

I don't think you'll ever see that again in today's NFL.  Another reason why the NFL in the 80s and 90s was amazing

[newcam2012]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Have you watched the Patriots? We’re gonna get mauled! 

I've watched them. They are playing well, are well coached, have a solid defense, and play within themselves. That may be enough to beat a inconsistent struggling Bills team. On paper, I believe the Bills are a much better team. 

[Clyde Smith]

At this time, Daboll reminds me of Kevin Gilbride and how everyone was calling for him to call more run plays. Ultimately that cost him his job. 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, newcam2012 said:

I've watched them. They are playing well, are well coached, have a solid defense, and play within themselves. That may be enough to beat a inconsistent struggling Bills team. On paper, I believe the Bills are a much better team. 

I’m dying to see Mac Jones against us. He’s been a machine.

[Process]

Well when you have two below average RBs, a bad line, bad coaching, and two of your top three WRs are 32+ yo and 5 ft tall, you are probably not going to be very good. 

 

Offense needs a complete rebuild next off-season with Allen Diggs Knox and Brown as the core.

[zow2]

Every national show this morning is ripping the Buffalo offense. Saying all the same things.  The offense is one-dimensional and completely finesse.  No physicality whatsoever.  Teams game plan to make the opponent one dimensional and the Bills do it themselves and make it so easy for opposing defense.

[Evian]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

I’m dying to see Mac Jones against us. He’s been a machine.

 

He might throw the ball 10x.  I expect the Pats to run the ball down the throats of the Bills.  The Patriots know how to find weaknesses in teams and exploit them.

[aristocrat]

Need to get Cole going more. He makes the offense go and we have got to get more targets there. 

[BuffaloRebound]

3 minutes ago, zow2 said:

Every national show this morning is ripping the Buffalo offense. Saying all the same things.  The offense is one-dimensional and completely finesse.  No physicality whatsoever.  Teams game plan to make the opponent one dimensional and the Bills do it themselves and make it so easy for opposing defense.

Imagine how the locker room feels when it’s plain as day to Joe 6-pack and every talking head.  This season is definitely on the brink the next 2 games.  Lose to either New Orleans or New England and I think you’re gonna see a lot of player dissension.  

[Casey D]

26 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Where are this offense’s long methodical drives?  Sometimes in a tough game you gotta control the ball and move the chains.  This offense hasn’t shown that ability.  We need a defensive coordinator that’s gonna go Buddy Ryan on Kevin Gilbride.  Yes the defense was bad yesterday, but the defense has been the bright spot this year.  

I agree.  The defense will have off games now and then.  They were bad yesterday, and the offense did little to help them.