Week 10: Bills at Jets

[Cygnus99]

I can  see the Bills losing 4 in a row and expecting a big blow out by Tampa making it 5 in a row but big Surprise Bills snap a 4 game losing streak by beating Tampa 

Edited November 10, 2021 by Cygnus99
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[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, Xwnyer said:

The Jags are bad, missing players on defense due to injury and the Bills couldn’t move the ball.  Maybe it was just a really really bad day for  Josh but he seems to be locking in on a target and not scanning field.  Sure when you are being pressured hard to scan field but last play is a perfect example looks like sanders is open for what would be a first down and he tries to throw across body to get it to Diggs who will have to make a major play to get the first down.    We should beat the Jets but they did beat the Titans and after Jags game My confidence in winning any game doesn’t exist right now.  

Definitely wasn't a good day for Allen. I didn't really see him locking into one wide receiver. In fact, he checked down a lot because the initial and or primary receivers were covered. The pressure he faced was pretty much a recipe for failure. The Bills need to have a running threat and implement plays that are deaigned to beat cover 2. For example, slants and gos down the middle of the field. Teams will continue to use the Titan and Jag strategy to beat the Bills. 

[Greg S]

12 hours ago, Xwnyer said:

I am seeing another loss to an inferior team. They have a solid d and will give a Josh and online fits

 D-line is solid but the secondary is garbage. Did you not see what the Colts did to them last week? To me this game comes down to the Bills OL and can they play respectable. I don't expect them to play good but just give Josh some time to throw and he will destroy the Jets secondary. I expect the Bills D to handle the Jets O although White will probably lead them on some nice drives. Don't expect the Bills D to hold them to 9 points. Bottom line if the Bills O-line does OK the Bills will win. IMHO.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 minute ago, Greg S said:

 D-line is solid but the secondary is garbage. Did you not see what the Colts did to them last week? To me this game comes down to the Bills OL and can they play respectable. I don't expect them to play good but just give Josh some time to throw and he will destroy the Jets secondary. I expect the Bills D to handle the Jets O although White will probably lead them on some nice drives. Don't expect the Bills D to hold them to 9 points. Bottom line if the Bills O-line does OK the Bills will win. IMHO.

“D-line is solid and secondary is garbage” was the report on the Jags too. 

[Greg S]

1 minute ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

“D-line is solid and secondary is garbage” was the report on the Jags too. 

 

I am expecting the Bills offense to have a better day. Last week was just garbage offensively all around. If we can't beat the Jets then you really have to question just how good is this team. I don't know if the Bills took the Jags lightly like some of their players said but I expect that won't be the case this week.

[finn]

4 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

“D-line is solid and secondary is garbage” was the report on the Jags too. 

And on the Titans. 

[RobbRiddick]

I haven't looked through the thread. Do we know if Brown and Knox will be back this week? 

 

Just looked, seems they're back at practice today

Edited November 10, 2021 by RobbRiddick

[eball]

Just now, RobbRiddick said:

I haven't looked through the thread. Do we know if Brown and Knox will be back this week? 

 

Last we heard from McD is that he expects both back at practice…should know more later today.

[Greg S]

2 minutes ago, finn said:

And on the Titans. 

Titans are a good team though and the Bills did put 31 on them. 

[RobbRiddick]

I think if Brown is back against the Jets he'll play like a man possessed

[eball]

2 hours ago, Xwnyer said:

The Jags are bad, missing players on defense due to injury and the Bills couldn’t move the ball.

 

This is a completely inaccurate statement.  The Bills moved into Jacksonville territory on all but two of their possessions and I don’t recall even one 3-and-out.  They were befuddled by penalties and lack of execution at inopportune moments.  It was ugly, but they were still well over 300 yards in offense.

 

The “I have no confidence the Bills will win another game” stuff is freaking hilarious.  Vegas still thinks they are the Super Bowl favorite.

 

We can admit and talk about flaws they have, but folks have gone completely overboard.

 

Fans crack me up.

 

 

Edited November 10, 2021 by eball

[atlbillsfan1975]

18 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 D-line is solid but the secondary is garbage. Did you not see what the Colts did to them last week? To me this game comes down to the Bills OL and can they play respectable. I don't expect them to play good but just give Josh some time to throw and he will destroy the Jets secondary. I expect the Bills D to handle the Jets O although White will probably lead them on some nice drives. Don't expect the Bills D to hold them to 9 points. Bottom line if the Bills O-line does OK the Bills will win. IMHO.

I’m not saying the Jets have a good D or predicting a loss for the Bills, but you described the Jax D when you wrote “D-line is solid but the secondary is garbage”. 
I think there were a ton of factors that went into the Bills poor offensive performance on Sunday In Jacksonville. 2 of the 3 losses this year have been due to a poor performance by the O. Both those losses came against teams with solid d lines, Pitt had a great dline that game. 
We have heard for 3 years that Daboll is good at scheming to his opponent, time to see it this weekend against the Jets. I have a feeling they will try to do what Miami and Jax did. 
There are reasons to be optimistic, I think if Breda is active and they use him right, he can help break up the cover 2 deep shell Jax and Miami used. Breda catching those same passes Singletary did, might turn into a couple of big YAC gains. Knox will also help in the dump off game. Sweeney isn’t in the same ball park as Knox. 

Edited November 10, 2021 by atlbillsfan1975

[Son of a K-Gun]

13 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 D-line is solid but the secondary is garbage. Did you not see what the Colts did to them last week? To me this game comes down to the Bills OL and can they play respectable. I don't expect them to play good but just give Josh some time to throw and he will destroy the Jets secondary. I expect the Bills D to handle the Jets O although White will probably lead them on some nice drives. Don't expect the Bills D to hold them to 9 points. Bottom line if the Bills O-line does OK the Bills will win. IMHO.

 

Every Bills game comes down to the Bills OL and can they play respectable.  That's really about it.  If the OL plays respectable, the Bills beat, or at least have a great shot at beating any team in the league.  There isn't another weakness on this team that is significant enough to make a difference outside of fluke plays like a blocked punt or a QB slipping on 4th down.  

 

Everyone just needs to take a collective breath and realize how good this team is.  Good teams lose games to bad teams, it happens.  Breathe in, breathe out, move on.

[Greg S]

2 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I’m not saying the Jets have a good D or predicting a loss for the Bills, but you described the Jax D when you wrote “D-line is solid but the secondary is garbage”. 
I think there were a ton of factors that went into the Bills poor offensive performance. 2 of the 3 losses were due to a poor performance by the O. Both those losses came against teams with solid d lines, Pitt had a great dline that game. 
We have heard for 3 years that Daboll is good at scheming to his opponent, time to see it this weekend against the Jets. I have a feeling they will try to do what Miami and Jax did. 

 

They absolutely will. Every team is going to look at what the Fins and Jags did to stop the Bills. Hopefully the Bills have answers. Getting healthy players back especially on the OL is a start.

[njbuff]

21 minutes ago, eball said:

 

This is a completely inaccurate statement.  The Bills moved into Jacksonville territory on all but two of their possessions and I don’t recall even one 3-and-out.  They were befuddled by penalties and lack of execution at inopportune moments.  It was ugly, but they were still well over 300 yards in offense.

 

The “I have no confidence the Bills will win another game” stuff is freaking hilarious.  Vegas still thinks they are the Super Bowl favorite.

 

We can admit and talk about flaws they have, but folks have gone completely overboard.

 

Fans crack me up.

 

 

I don’t disagree with what you are saying at all, but if the Bills OL continues to be bad you will have to admit it will destroy the season.

[BuffaninSarasota]

9 hours ago, 97bills said:

We’re was the jags defense rank, there overall defense don’t have to be good just there front 4 that line we put on the field last Sunday is terrible 

 

ouch....that was painful to (try to) read

[finn]

1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

There are reasons to be optimistic, I think if Breda is active and they use him right, he can help break up the cover 2 deep shell Jax and Miami used. Breda catching those same passes Singletary did, might turn into a couple of big YAC gains.

I would prefer them to bring up Antonio Williams from the practice squad. I think a straight-ahead, pounding running back with good speed is what we could use. I don't blame Moss or Singletary a bit for the poor running game; yes, they missed chances here and there, but when yards before contact is .22 yards--eight inches!--you can't blame the backs. Maybe Ford and Boettger (or Bobby Johnson) will get the message when Williams slams into their backs three times in a row. For this one game, I would rather see three yards and a cloud of dust on most drives, just so the line remembers what run blocking is. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

9 minutes ago, finn said:

I would prefer them to bring up Antonio Williams from the practice squad. I think a straight-ahead, pounding running back with good speed is what we could use. I don't blame Moss or Singletary a bit for the poor running game; yes, they missed chances here and there, but when yards before contact is .22 yards--eight inches!--you can't blame the backs. Maybe Ford and Boettger (or Bobby Johnson) will get the message when Williams slams into their backs three times in a row. For this one game, I would rather see three yards and a cloud of dust on most drives, just so the line remembers what run blocking is. 

You might be right for running style. The oline was atrocious on Sunday. Need to stop moving people all over the place. Williams should stay at guard and give Tommy a shot at RT if Brown can’t go. Ford is a huge liability and he is going to get someone hurt.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Can someone explain to me how Darryl Williams suddenly forgot to play RT? He was solid for us last year. Now, he looks totally lost. It’s very weird. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Can someone explain to me how Darryl Williams suddenly forgot to play RT? He was solid for us last year. Now, he looks totally lost. It’s very weird. 

 

I'm sure the Bills FO and coaches agree with you and would similarly, like an explanation.

 

Williams was solid last season, or they wouldn't have given him the contract they did.  Now he's literally "lost in space" out there at times.

 

Sometimes players get paid, and lose their edge.  It's not always a big conscious thing, sometimes it's an accumulation of small things.  A big night out on Monday -Tues that lingers with them into practice on Weds, vs. getting treatment, lifting and a personal film session then a fun but dry night that puts them in good mental and physical condition for Weds.  That kind of thing.  They probably feel they're doing enough, but they're actually not doing some of the things that made them successful before.

 

 

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Some of the responses to this are great:

 

"Ssoooo you're saying there's a chance?!"

 

"But the Jets defense will come out and play their best game of the year against us, just like the Jags did."

 

And that there's the point.  We get everyone's Best Game from now on.

1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

You might be right for running style. The oline was atrocious on Sunday. Need to stop moving people all over the place. Williams should stay at guard and give Tommy a shot at RT if Brown can’t go. Ford is a huge liability and he is going to get someone hurt.

 

I know that you guys don't believe this, but work with me here......The coaches and FO of a team that's been to the playoffs the last two years are not suddenly atrocious and totally inept at player evaluation.

 

Tommy Doyle has been inactive every game and was not activated to play RT when Brown got hurt *because he's not good enough at this time*.  The coaches are not inexplicably leaving better players on the bench or on the practice squad.

 

I think you're correct about how Ford played, but if Brown can't go they will put someone else in at G.

[FilthyBeast]

43 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Can someone explain to me how Darryl Williams suddenly forgot to play RT? He was solid for us last year. Now, he looks totally lost. It’s very weird. 

 

He did the same thing in Carolina after having an all pro season and signing a big contract....became a typical lazy fatcat that shows up on Sundays and puts on a uniform but not much else.

[RiotAct]

how the heck are we middle of the pack in rushing?   That seems weird to me (even with JA17 breaking off one or two big runs per game).

[Logic]

We went from "with the Dolphins, Jags, Jets, and Colts up next, the Bills get four extra bye weeks Lolllzzz!" to "I don't know if we can beat the Jets" pretty damned quick.

Football is a fickle game, and football fans are even fickler. Is "fickler" a word? Huh.

[uninja]

6 minutes ago, Logic said:

We went from "with the Dolphins, Jags, Jets, and Colts up next, the Bills get four extra bye weeks Lolllzzz!" to "I don't know if we can beat the Jets" pretty damned quick.

Football is a fickle game, and football fans are even fickler. Is "fickler" a word? Huh.

 

I'm going to optimistically say that the Jags game was our Packers-Saints "wtf was that?!" game.

[atlbillsfan1975]

36 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'm sure the Bills FO and coaches agree with you and would similarly, like an explanation.

 

Williams was solid last season, or they wouldn't have given him the contract they did.  Now he's literally "lost in space" out there at times.

 

Sometimes players get paid, and lose their edge.  It's not always a big conscious thing, sometimes it's an accumulation of small things.  A big night out on Monday -Tues that lingers with them into practice on Weds, vs. getting treatment, lifting and a personal film session then a fun but dry night that puts them in good mental and physical condition for Weds.  That kind of thing.  They probably feel they're doing enough, but they're actually not doing some of the things that made them successful before.

 

 

 

Some of the responses to this are great:

 

"Ssoooo you're saying there's a chance?!"

 

"But the Jets defense will come out and play their best game of the year against us, just like the Jags did."

 

And that there's the point.  We get everyone's Best Game from now on.

 

I know that you guys don't believe this, but work with me here......The coaches and FO of a team that's been to the playoffs last year are not suddenly atrocious.

 

Tommy Doyle has been inactive every game and was not activated to play RT when Brown got hurt *because he's not good enough at this time*.  The coaches are not inexplicably leaving better players on the bench or on the practice squad.

 

I think you're correct about how Ford played, but if Brown can't go they will put someone else in at G.

I never once said anything about the FO or Coaches being atrocious . You are assuming that and putting words in my mouth. I thought this is a board for fans to discuss ideas. It’s fun to discuss scenarios. Sometimes they end up happening. 

[Bruce Smith]

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-analysis/2021/arizona-cardinals-take-dvoa-lead?utm_source=social&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=dvoa_rankings&utm_content=week_9

[BearNorth]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Actually, adjusted for Games Played, Bills are 8th, Jests are 24th in Offense, Bills are 1st, Jests are 32nd in Defense, Bills are 7th in Passing, NY is 16th, Bills are 11th in Rushing, NY is 24th. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

32 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I never once said anything about the FO or Coaches being atrocious . You are assuming that and putting words in my mouth. I thought this is a board for fans to discuss ideas. It’s fun to discuss scenarios. Sometimes they end up happening. 

 

It's implied by this statement of yours: "The oline was atrocious on Sunday. Need to stop moving people all over the place. Williams should stay at guard and give Tommy a shot at RT if Brown can’t go. Ford is a huge liability and he is going to get someone hurt."

 

You're fundamentally saying the Bills FO and coaches player personnel evaluation is so atrocious that they are leaving a T who is capable of playing sufficiently better than Williams inactive every week (even though they get to see him in practice every week), and failing to see that Williams was playing so solid at guard that they should take that risk at T just to leave him at G.

 

There's a reason that the Bills left Doyle inactive and risked the turmoil of moving multiple OLmen around, and it's not that your suggestion would be an improvement.

[Nitro]

I think the Bills will want to start the game being physical on both sides of the ball.   Pound on the Jets and win in a rout.

[x-BillzeBubba]

 

[Process]

55 minutes ago, uninja said:

 

I'm going to optimistically say that the Jags game was our Packers-Saints "wtf was that?!" game.

It was wayyyy worse than that game. But I get your point. Hopefully you're right.

[JaCrispy]

I hope the Bills actually care about winning this time...

 

I can take a my team losing...what I refuse to take is my team not caring anymore...

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 10, 2021 by YoloinOhio

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

All well and good but hasn't he promised that before?

 

I think at this point there may be a philosophical disconnect between McDermott and Daboll on the importance of cultivating the run game.  I think Daboll plays it lip survice but deep down, doesn't really believe it.  My rationale is that Daboll has repeatedly said something like "everyone wants balance until you have problems doing the one thing, then you better do less of that thing and more of the other". 

 

I think that's at core, his approach - if we struggle to run, we'll just pass.

 

I think after certain games, McDermott puts Daboll in a half Nelson and pins him and won't let him up until Daboll says "We will work on running the ball and a balanced offense".  Then it becomes a focus, and for a few games we rush effectively - the first Patriots game last year, the Chargers game last year, the first Dolphins game this season and two games afterwards.

 

The thing is, if Daboll wants to advance and become a HC, he's got to show he can curate an offense that is more than "The Josh Allen Show" as Chris Simms put it.  Even great QBs who are capable of carrying a team like Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, and Tom Brady play more effectively and their teams go farther when they're supported by a capable rushing attack.

 

McDermott is a former DC and understands how DC's think and scheme.  Daboll needs to internalize that.

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[RiotAct]

White pants = epic victory forthcoming.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

26 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wow.  Just listened.  The presser suffers from the usual horror of being unable to hear most of the questions.

 

 

Here if anyone wants to give it a listen for themselves.

 

But this sounds to me like McDermott's firm, not throwing anyone under the bus but not bullgaffling either, version of Matt Rhule's comments about Sam Darnold's picks, where he said we've been having these conversations over and over and the picks are still happening. 

[YoloinOhio]