Game Thread: MNF Colts @ Ravens

[Warcodered]

Just now, Big Turk said:

What a choke job by the Colts.

Must of caught it from Rivers.

[Big Blitz]

5 minutes ago, Bubba Gump said:

 

He was going against practice squad and backup DB's in the 4th qtr where he got most of his yards. 

 

 

And a defense sitting in prevent with a 19 point lead that missed kicks that should have ended the game twice.  

 

How anyone can take the Ravens seriously right now is laughable.  

 

 

 

Would appreciate them beating the Chargers at home this week tho.   

[Roundybout]

Just now, Ethan in Portland said:

Those yards count differently?

Yes he does

 

Let's see

 

5 yard lob turned into a 65 yard gain because Mark Andrews is the best TE in football 

 

or 

 

a 65 yard dime in double coverage like what Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Murray routinely make?

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

Sure, Ravens are 4-1 but I don't think this one matters much to us in the long run.  Ravens face a gauntlet in their division this year.

Colts, meanwhile, are down for the count.  

[BigDingus]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Its about consistency and he doesn’t have that throwing the ball.  

 

Seems like he's only gotten better. He's had the same knocks on him that Josh has had, but he keeps coming through. This year specifically he's looked like he's taken that next step & really improved his passing game. 

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

Sure, Ravens are 4-1 but I don't think this one matters much to us in the long run.  Ravens face a gauntlet in their division this year.

If the Browns don't forget how to play defense again they should have their number.

[Roundybout]

PS that was a fumble on the goal line. 

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, Ethan in Portland said:

Those yards count differently?

Yes he does

lol…prior to this game, he had 4 TD passes in 4 games….with 3 ints. 
 

The highest he’s been in the NFL in passing yards is 22nd.

 

You are right, those are gaudy passing numbers.  He might break Brady’s passing record in a few years.

[Mango]

3 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Not really. The Bills bottled them up on offense both times they have played them.

Under no circumstances am I picking Baltimore over Buffalo in 2021. But the Bills are 1-1 against Lamar. Weird flex to say they haven’t cause problems for us. 
 

This Bills team I think is a standard deviation better than the league at the moment. But I don’t love going against LJ. 

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

 

Seems like he's only gotten better. He's had the same knocks on him that Josh has had, but he keeps coming through. This year specifically he's looked like he's taken that next step & really improved his passing game. 

He had 4 passing TD’s coming into this game.  

[Warcodered]

Just now, Mango said:

Under no circumstances am I picking Baltimore over Buffalo in 2021. But the Bills are 1-1 against Lamar. Weird flex to say they haven’t cause problems for us. 
 

This Bills team I think is a standard deviation better than the league at the moment. But I don’t love going against LJ. 

They barely beat us in 2019, I'd say we're a bit better than then, not sure they could say the same.

[Mango]

Lamar belongs in the MVP conversation. 

 

(Well behind Allen of course)

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

Under no circumstances am I picking Baltimore over Buffalo in 2021. But the Bills are 1-1 against Lamar. Weird flex to say they haven’t cause problems for us. 
 

This Bills team I think is a standard deviation better than the league at the moment. But I don’t love going against LJ. 

 

True.  But the gap integrity we've shown so far this year would have him a lot more bottled up than he's been against other teams.

[Roundybout]

3 minutes ago, Mango said:

Lamar belongs in the MVP conversation. 

 

(Well behind Allen of course)

 

They needed a miracle to beat the LIONS. Let's see what he does against an actual defense and not a mess of guys I've never even heard before. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

lol…prior to this game, he had 4 TD passes in 4 games….with 3 ints. 
 

The highest he’s been in the NFL in passing yards is 22nd.

 

You are right, those are gaudy passing numbers.  He might break Brady’s passing record in a few years.

 

Yes indeed his career stats are gaudy!  

 

Career 63.6% 8,162 72 21 101.1

 

He is 400ish passing attempts from being listed on the all-time QB rating chart.  If he stays at 101 he would be fifth all-time ahead of Brady, Brees, and Manning.  

 

So what evidence do you have he can't throw the ball? 

[HappyDays]

There are at least 5 QBs playing at a higher level than Mahomes this year. I won't lie, it is satisfying watching him fall off of his pedestal.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

9 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

Sure, Ravens are 4-1 but I don't think this one matters much to us in the long run.  Ravens face a gauntlet in their division this year.

Colts, meanwhile, are down for the count.  

I would love to see the Colts miss the playoffs. I just hate how we matchup with those guys. 

[Big Blitz]

4 minutes ago, Mango said:

Lamar belongs in the MVP conversation. 

 

(Well behind Allen of course)

 

 

Allen

Herbert

Henry

Brady

 

 

No one else is close.  

 

The Ravens are their own HOF kicker and the Colts awful kicker away from being 2-3

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, Mango said:

Under no circumstances am I picking Baltimore over Buffalo in 2021. But the Bills are 1-1 against Lamar. Weird flex to say they haven’t cause problems for us. 
 

This Bills team I think is a standard deviation better than the league at the moment. But I don’t love going against LJ. 

 

On offense, they haven't.  They beat us because their defense stifled us in the first game. We held them to 24 points and 257 yards at a time they were putting up 35+ points and 450+ yards on everyone. 

[Mango]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

They barely beat us in 2019, I'd say we're a bit better than then, not sure they could say the same.

I think you’re muddling a whole bunch of things together. 
 

I think the 2021 Bills handle the Ravens. I think the Bills can handle any team in the league. 
 

Lamar Jackson is a talent and profieicient passer. 
 

LJ8 makes the Ravens a tough match up for any team in the league. Win or lose. It is a lot to defend. And as we saw tonight, and over and over again. No lead is safe.

 

No team matches up well against the Ravens because of their QB. Some maybe better than others. But none terribly well. 

 

Just now, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

 

True.  But the gap integrity we've shown so far this year would have him a lot more bottled up than he's been against other teams.

Agreed with this. 

5 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

They needed a miracle to beat the LIONS. Let's see what he does against an actual defense and not a mess of guys I've never even heard before. 

I am one who thinks MVP should go to the most valuable player to their team. Lamar is in that conversation even though he may or may not be a better player than anybody on that list. 

[Turbo44]

LJ doesn’t worry me - colts D melted down - whole secondary was backups and line got no pass rush. Given up that long td pass to brown was criminal. LJ is mistake prone and you put pressure on him, which we would with our rotating 8 flat, and he would make mistakes

[BuffaloBills1998]

Might be a stupid question but let’s say colts fire Reich, would anyone on here disagree about bringing him in as OC if Daboll does leave in 22?

[billsbackto81]

21 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Allen

Herbert

Henry

Brady

 

 

No one else is close.  

 

The Ravens are their own HOF kicker and the Colts awful kicker away from being 2-3

Yeah well over the last 4 games we're 116 points away from being 0-5. 😂 See! I can do that too.....

Edited October 12, 2021 by billsbackto81

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Might be a stupid question but let’s say colts fire Reich, would anyone on here disagree about bringing him in as OC if Daboll does leave in 22?

I mean I get the feeling we're promoting from within on that one.

[BuffaloBills1998]

Just now, Warcodered said:

I mean I get the feeling we're promoting from within on that one.

I believe so as well. But I mean if Reich does get canned, it might not be a bad idea to bring him in

[billsbackto81]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Might be a stupid question but let’s say colts fire Reich, would anyone on here disagree about bringing him in as OC if Daboll does leave in 22?

I don't think any hardcore Bills fan would have a problem with it. Front office may have different thoughts on the matter though.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

28 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Allen

Herbert

Henry

Brady

 

 

No one else is close.  

 

The Ravens are their own HOF kicker and the Colts awful kicker away from being 2-3

Agree with your top 4.  What about Trevon Diggs?  I think LT is the only defensive player to ever win the award.  Diggs might get a few votes if he keeps playing as well as he is.

9 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

I mean I get the feeling we're promoting from within on that one.

Agreed.  Dorsey is the OC in waiting.  Unless he leaves too, why would you not give it to Dorsey? This of course assumes he is actually helpful in designing/calling the passing game as he is listed.  

[MJS]

20 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Might be a stupid question but let’s say colts fire Reich, would anyone on here disagree about bringing him in as OC if Daboll does leave in 22?

Reich would get another head coaching job. He is extremely well respected around the league.

 

And I highly doubt that will happen anytime soon anyways.

[Paulus]

1 hour ago, jkeerie said:

Okay.  The first one in the previous game, you are correct.  But in this game Lamar's knee was clearly down before the fumble.  It was the right call.

 

 

Still want to see this video... You might be wrong, after all.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Even more reason to play for the win and a TD, and not a FG.

LaFleur didn’t play for the win with probably the greatest QB in the game today. He kept putting his faith in a kicker who missed time and time again.

[K-9]

47 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Might be a stupid question but let’s say colts fire Reich, would anyone on here disagree about bringing him in as OC if Daboll does leave in 22?

I love Frank, but this is Allen’s offense and if Daboll leaves, then Dorsey will take the OC reigns. 

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

There are at least 5 QBs playing at a higher level than Mahomes this year. I won't lie, it is satisfying watching him fall off of his pedestal.

Mainly because of Nick Wright!!

[GoBills808]

16 minutes ago, Paulus said:

 

 

Still want to see this video... You might be wrong, after all.

@LeviF

[QCity]

27 minutes ago, Paulus said:

 

 

 

 

He knee was CLEARLY down before the ball came out. That still frame image was taken after his knee already hit the ground and touched. 

 

Edited October 12, 2021 by QCity

[gobills404]

1 minute ago, QCity said:

 

He knee was CLEARLY down before the ball came out. That still frame image was taken after his knee already hit the ground. Bunch of clowns on Twitter trolling you guys.

 

You do know a player isn't down til they get touched, right?

[QCity]

2 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

You do know a player isn't down til they get touched, right?

Yes

[Paulus]

30 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

He knee was CLEARLY down before the ball came out. That still frame image was taken after his knee already hit the ground and touched. 

 

 

27 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

You do know a player isn't down til they get touched, right?

 

That's why I wanted to see the video. The tweet says he was not touched. 

Edited October 12, 2021 by Paulus

[Paulus]

31 minutes ago, QCity said:

Yes

I think the NFL will say he gave himself up and therefore down. But, that rule really seems to selectively enforced, say if a player gets up or rolls into the endzone.

[Utah John]

By the end of the game the Colts knew they had a sieve for a defense.  No professional CBs, up against LJ and those Raven receivers.  Come on.  But they had a chance to win at the end of regulation.  They ran out of time, because they let the Ravens use up almost the whole clock before scoring their inevitable tying TD.  The Colts should either have use their time outs to conserve time, or let/forced the Ravens to score more quickly.  If Wentz had a full two minutes or even a full minute to get into position, the Colts would have had a much shorter FG or possibly a TD to go back in front.  

 

That, and winning the coin flip, were the only two chances the Colts had at the end.

[Nitro]

Being here in Indy, the Colts nation were not happy with Frank when they were driving in the fourth and had the ball inside Ravens 20 and he took his foot off the the gas.  Classic conservative coaching with feet of clay moment.  Ran the ball three times and try to burn the clock.  Defense was ready for it and the result was a loss of  5 yards and the FG was a miss.   You lose the momentum on the road and you are going to pay.    Dominate a team a majority of the game  but lose can tear a team apart.