Chiefs Chant Before Game

[cv05]

Just reminded me of this clip - hilarious...

 

 

[WhoTom]

Personally, I could live without the chant and the chop. They're both stupid.

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

6 minutes ago, WhoTom said:

Personally, I could live without the chant and the chop. They're both stupid.

 

 

I'm still trying to figure out why the Chiefs mascot is a wolf?....what???

[Augie]

5 minutes ago, WhoTom said:

Personally, I could live without the chant and the chop. They're both stupid.

 

 

 

Yeah, but when you put the two together…….

 

 

…….you get something really stupid! 

 

We’ve been to some FSU games in Tallahassee. I’m with Bill Burr on this one. It’s like the train horn. The first time isn’t THAT annoying, but after a while it wears my arse out!  Make it STOP! 

[First Round Bust]

yeah but do we really have the higher ground when we are known for jumping down and crushing tables (and or body parts)...asking for a friend

[Just in Atlanta]

To be honest, until last night, I actually thought that chant belonged to the Atlanta Braves. 

 

As a little kid, I went to a lot of Rangers games and thought "Let's go Rangers" da da da da da was unique too until I noticed that just about every team does that -- still. 

 

Then I learned "My Country Tis of Thee" is the exact same melody as "God Save the Queen" and our national anthem has the same melody as a British drinking song. 

 

Our own Bills fight song — whose time has long past IMO — is the ripped-off melody of the famous Isley Bros song. 

 

 

 

[r00tabaga]

40 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I'm still trying to figure out why the Chiefs mascot is a wolf?....what???

What's with the Kingdom moniker too? What does a native American team have in common with royalty???

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, Just in Atlanta said:

To be honest, until last night, I actually thought that chant belonged to the Atlanta Braves. 

 

As a little kid, I went to a lot of Rangers games and thought "Let's go Rangers" da da da da da was unique too until I noticed that just about every team does that -- still. 

 

Then I learned "My Country Tis of Thee" is the exact same melody as "God Save the Queen" and our national anthem has the same melody as a British drinking song. 

 

Our own Bills fight song — whose time has long past IMO — is the ripped-off melody of the famous Isley Bros song. 

 

 

 

I thought it belonged to Florida state lol 

[Rico]

51 minutes ago, WhoTom said:

Personally, I could live without the chant and the chop. They're both stupid.

 

 

Stupid and racist.

[Logic]

Yeah...

The big drum they bang before the game, the chop, the chant...

All of it is super cringey.

 

[WhoTom]

11 minutes ago, Just in Atlanta said:

To be honest, until last night, I actually thought that chant belonged to the Atlanta Braves.

 

They do the chop, but I think the chant may be a little different. Equally stupid, though.

 

 

[Just in Atlanta]

6 minutes ago, Rico said:

Stupid and racist.

Dictionary.com:

RACIST: "a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others."

 

 

[WhoTom]

20 minutes ago, Just in Atlanta said:

Dictionary.com:

RACIST: "a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others."

 

When one appropriates another race's culture and misinterprets its rituals to the point where many members of the race are offended, it's a pretty good sign that one thinks of that race as inferior.

 

 

[Buffalo716]

22 minutes ago, WhoTom said:

 

When one appropriates another race's culture and misinterprets its rituals to the point where many members of the race are offended, it's a pretty good sign that one thinks of that race as inferior.

 

 

I know plenty of native Americans who liked the name Washington Redskins because they thought it honored them .. and they were glad to be represented in the NFL

 

Not to mention that many natives actually painted their faces red with ocher for a thousand years.. it's historical

 

But Cancel culture is coming for everything 

 

If Dan Schneider was out bashing native Americans week in and week out it would be distasteful..but he's always been respectful about it and said it's about pride 

 

I don't think there's anything nefarious with the Seminole war chant.. or the Chiefs tomahawk chop

 

It's just something stupid to get the fans in the game.. I really don't think there's anything nefarious behind

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 11, 2021 by Buffalo716

[Chaos]

The broadcast segued from a very very serious discussion about a 2011 email that might possibly be construed as racist to 70,000 chanting a way that clearly makes a mockery of Native Americans.  But hey consistency is not particularly important in 2021 social justice warfare. 

Edited October 11, 2021 by Chaos

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I'm still trying to figure out why the Chiefs mascot is a wolf?....what???

 

It's a Fox. Because their flagship radio station is a classic rocker called The Fox.

[wppete]

20 minutes ago, WhoTom said:

 

When one appropriates another race's culture and misinterprets its rituals to the point where many members of the race are offended, it's a pretty good sign that one thinks of that race as inferior.

 

 

I appreciate your comment. I see it more of honoring the culture. I wonder can we say the same about Michigan State Spartans or the USC Trojans?  Would Greek people be offended? I don’t think so, it’s honoring their culture. IMHO. 

[eball]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I know plenty of native Americans who liked the name Washington Redskins because they thought it honored them .. and they were glad to be represented in the NFL

 

Not to mention that many natives actually painted their faces red with ocher for a thousand years.. it's historical

 

But Cancel culture is coming for everything 

 

If Dan Schneider was out bashing native Americans week in and week out it would be distasteful..but he's always been respectful about it and said it's about pride

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you have some black friends too?

 

Jesus, you’re so enlightened.

 

[Albany,n.y.]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I know plenty of native Americans who liked the name Washington Redskins because they thought it honored them .. and they were glad to be represented in the NFL

 

Not to mention that many natives actually painted their faces red with ocher for a thousand years.. it's historical

 

But Cancel culture is coming for everything 

 

If Dan Schneider was out bashing native Americans week in and week out it would be distasteful..but he's always been respectful about it and said it's about pride

 

 

 

 

 

Considering that the original owner & founder of the team was a flaming racist, I doubt he named them to honor anyone.  

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Preston_Marshall

 

As a result of a "gentlemen's agreement" promoted by Marshall, NFL teams did not sign black players until 1946, when two teams broke the agreement. Marshall refused to do so, claiming that integrating the team would cause the team to lose fans in the Southern United States and his team was at the time the southernmost team in the NFL.[15][16] He said that "We'll start signing Negroes when the Harlem Globetrotters start signing whites."[5]

His refusal to integrate was routinely mocked by Shirley Povich, a columnist for The Washington Post, who called him "one of pro football’s greatest innovators, and its leading bigot."[17] Marshall unsuccessfully sued Povich for $200,000 after a critical article.[18]

Marshall downplayed the issue of integration, saying "I am surprised that with the world on the brink of another war they are worried about whether or not a ***** is going to play for the Redskins" and doubted that "the government had the right to tell the showman how to cast the play." Marshall had a long-running feud with Redskins shareholder Harry Wismer, who favored integration.[5]

In 1962, United States Secretary of the Interior Stewart Udall and Attorney General of the United States Robert F. Kennedy issued an ultimatum: unless Marshall signed a black player, the government would revoke the Redskins' 30-year lease on D.C. Stadium (later known as RFK Memorial Stadium), which had been paid for by government money and was owned by the city government. [19]

Marshall selected Ernie Davis, Syracuse University's All-American running back, as his top draft choice in the 1962 NFL Draft. However, Davis refused to play for the team, and was traded to the Cleveland Browns for All-Pro Bobby Mitchell, who became the first African American to play a game for the Redskins.[20] Marshall became an enthusiastic supporter of Mitchell.[3] The Redskins only had three winning seasons in the 23 years between the 1946 integration of the NFL and Marshall's death in 1969.[18][5] On a television show, Oscar Levant asked Marshall if he was anti-Semitic, to which he responded: "Oh no, I love Jews, especially when they're customers."[5]

In June 2020, a statue of Marshall was removed from the grounds of RFK Stadium after it was defaced and vandalized following the George Floyd protests.[21] The same month, Marshall's name was also removed from the team's Ring of Fame at FedExField, [13] with the team also deleting all references to him on their website and removing his name from the history wall at the team’s training facility in Ashburn, Virginia.

 

 

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Considering that the original owner & founder of the team was a flaming racist, I doubt he named them to honor anyone.  

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Preston_Marshall

 

As a result of a "gentlemen's agreement" promoted by Marshall, NFL teams did not sign black players until 1946, when two teams broke the agreement. Marshall refused to do so, claiming that integrating the team would cause the team to lose fans in the Southern United States and his team was at the time the southernmost team in the NFL.[15][16] He said that "We'll start signing Negroes when the Harlem Globetrotters start signing whites."[5]

His refusal to integrate was routinely mocked by Shirley Povich, a columnist for The Washington Post, who called him "one of pro football’s greatest innovators, and its leading bigot."[17] Marshall unsuccessfully sued Povich for $200,000 after a critical article.[18]

Marshall downplayed the issue of integration, saying "I am surprised that with the world on the brink of another war they are worried about whether or not a ***** is going to play for the Redskins" and doubted that "the government had the right to tell the showman how to cast the play." Marshall had a long-running feud with Redskins shareholder Harry Wismer, who favored integration.[5]

In 1962, United States Secretary of the Interior Stewart Udall and Attorney General of the United States Robert F. Kennedy issued an ultimatum: unless Marshall signed a black player, the government would revoke the Redskins' 30-year lease on D.C. Stadium (later known as RFK Memorial Stadium), which had been paid for by government money and was owned by the city government. [19]

Marshall selected Ernie Davis, Syracuse University's All-American running back, as his top draft choice in the 1962 NFL Draft. However, Davis refused to play for the team, and was traded to the Cleveland Browns for All-Pro Bobby Mitchell, who became the first African American to play a game for the Redskins.[20] Marshall became an enthusiastic supporter of Mitchell.[3] The Redskins only had three winning seasons in the 23 years between the 1946 integration of the NFL and Marshall's death in 1969.[18][5] On a television show, Oscar Levant asked Marshall if he was anti-Semitic, to which he responded: "Oh no, I love Jews, especially when they're customers."[5]

In June 2020, a statue of Marshall was removed from the grounds of RFK Stadium after it was defaced and vandalized following the George Floyd protests.[21] The same month, Marshall's name was also removed from the team's Ring of Fame at FedExField, [13] with the team also deleting all references to him on their website and removing his name from the history wall at the team’s training facility in Ashburn, Virginia.

 

 

Yeah but Dan Schneider's not the original owner... You can't blame him for somebody else's faults a long time ago

 

Buffalo Bill Cody was a civil war  scout and fought in the Indian wars , killed native Americans.. he scalped a chief... The Buffalo Bills don't honor Bill Cody

 

It's just our name 

Edited October 11, 2021 by Buffalo716

[PromoTheRobot]

23 minutes ago, WhoTom said:

 

When one appropriates another race's culture and misinterprets its rituals to the point where many members of the race are offended, it's a pretty good sign that one thinks of that race as inferior.

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I know plenty of native Americans who liked the name Washington Redskins because they thought it honored them .. and they were glad to be represented in the NFL

 

Not to mention that many natives actually painted their faces red with ocher for a thousand years.. it's historical

 

But Cancel culture is coming for everything 

 

If Dan Schneider was out bashing native Americans week in and week out it would be distasteful..but he's always been respectful about it and said it's about pride

 

 

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Chaos said:

The broadcast segued from a very very serious discussion about a 2011 email that might posing be construed as racist to 70,000 chanting a way that clearly makes a mockery of Native Americans.  But hey consistency is not particularly important in 2021 social justice warfare. 

 

I've been thinking about this. People get so hung up on "cultural appropriation." I don't think it's that pernicious. "Redskins" is racist and a term of derision. "Indians" is inappropriate but how different is it from "Irish" or "Canucks?" "Chiefs" and "Braves" strikes me no different than "Generals" or "Warriors." As long as it's done with honor and respect.

[Albany,n.y.]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Yeah but Dan Schneider's not the original owner... You can't blame him for somebody else's faults a long time ago

 

Buffalo Bill Cody was a civil war scout who killed native Americans in battle... The bills don't honor Buffalo Bill Cody even though we're named after him  

 

It's just our name

Dan Schneider didn't come up with the name & the facts are he is the owner who REMOVED the name from the team.  So your assertion that someone is blaming the guy for the name who removed the team name, as well as removing the original owner from the Ring of Fame and website, is totally illogical.  

[SoCal Deek]

35 minutes ago, WhoTom said:

 

When one appropriates another race's culture and misinterprets its rituals to the point where many members of the race are offended, it's a pretty good sign that one thinks of that race as inferior.

 

 

If you say so it must be true. (Unfortunately, in this case…it’s not.)

[Jauronimo]

3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

 

 

I've been thinking about this. People get so hung up on "cultural appropriation." I don't think it's that pernicious. "Redskins" is racist and a term of derision. "Indians" is inappropriate but how different is it from "Irish" or "Canucks?" "Chiefs" and "Braves" strikes me no different than "Generals" or "Warriors." As long as it's done with honor and respect.

You think Irish is inappropriate?

[Warcodered]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Yeah but Dan Schneider's not the original owner... You can't blame him for somebody else's faults a long time ago

 

Buffalo Bill Cody was a civil war  scout and fought in the Indian wars , killed native Americans.. he scalped a chief... The Buffalo Bills don't honor Bill Cody

 

It's just our name 

I think I can find plenty of other things to blame Dan Schneider for.

[PromoTheRobot]

Just now, Jauronimo said:

You think Irish is inappropriate?

 

I just mean it's an example of using a group of people as a mascot. I'm not offended. I'm not suggesting anyone is. Cleveland dropped the Indians because of cartoonish Chief Wahoo. But is "Indians" as a team name inherently racist? Many think so. I'm not so sure.

[WotAGuy]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

I think I can find plenty of other things to blame Dan Schneider for.

I loved his brother John Schneider in the Dukes of Hazard 

[Buffalo716]

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

 

 

 

I've been thinking about this. People get so hung up on "cultural appropriation." I don't think it's that pernicious. "Redskins" is racist and a term of derision. "Indians" is inappropriate but how different is it from "Irish" or "Canucks?" "Chiefs" and "Braves" strikes me no different than "Generals" or "Warriors." As long as it's done with honor and respect.

I think it's all how it's used

 

If you walk up to a native and say hey redskin.. that's obviously very offensive

 

But natives used red ochre as war paint for a thousand years.. they have historical context painting their skin red... And referencing it 

 

If Dan Schneider said the Washington Redskins represent, The pride of native American warriors... And their history I don't see anything wrong with that

 

 

 

[Jauronimo]

22 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I know plenty of native Americans who liked the name Washington Redskins because they thought it honored them .. and they were glad to be represented in the NFL

 

Not to mention that many natives actually painted their faces red with ocher for a thousand years.. it's historical

 

But Cancel culture is coming for everything 

 

If Dan Schneider was out bashing native Americans week in and week out it would be distasteful..but he's always been respectful about it and said it's about pride 

 

I don't think there's anything nefarious with the Seminole war chant.. or the Chiefs tomahawk chop

 

It's just something stupid to get the fans in the game.. I really don't think there's anything nefarious behind

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So if you buy a minor league team from some old bigot that he named the Wichita Lazy Mexicans, in your opinion, the name isn't offensive unless you're an unabashed racist yourself?  How does that make sense?  

[WhoTom]

4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

I've been thinking about this. People get so hung up on "cultural appropriation." I don't think it's that pernicious. "Redskins" is racist and a term of derision. "Indians" is inappropriate but how different is it from "Irish" or "Canucks?" "Chiefs" and "Braves" strikes me no different than "Generals" or "Warriors." As long as it's done with honor and respect.

 

I don't really have a problem with "Chiefs" as a name, but the chop and chant are, in my opinion, racist. And while some Native Americans aren't offended by it, many are, and I don't feel like it's my place to tell them they should feel otherwise.

 

My whole family are Cleveland Indians' fans, and a few years ago, my brother was complaining about people asking them to change their name. "It's just a name," he said. "What's the big deal?" I responded, "Then why is is such a big deal to you? Would baseball not be the same game if the team had a different name?" I don't know that convinced him then, but since they did change the name, he's been supportive of the move.

[Bad Things]

I thought this was about the KC Chiefs cringe-worthy chant and "Tomahawk Chop"?

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Dan Schneider didn't come up with the name & the facts are he is the owner who REMOVED the name from the team.  So your assertion that someone is blaming the guy for the name who removed the team name, as well as removing the original owner from the Ring of Fame and website, is totally illogical.  

He Removed the name after years of pressure... Let's be real he did not want to change it

 

He stated a hundred times I will never change the name.. he folded because pressure  

 

Distancing yourself from a racist owner and actually disliking the name are completely different I think.. Schneider always wanted to keep the name he just fell to pressure

[NY Nole]

I feel really sorry for anyone that needs to play the racism card for anything they either dislike or don’t understand. There is nothing inclusive about cancel culture mentality to exclude all things they deem offensive. It’s time to grow the hell up and stop feeding into the narrative of racism. Funny how a quick scan of the crowds at FSU games and KC games would show that black people, white people and native Americans all participate in the chop. Football (sports) are a way to bring people together — but that doesn’t work for those content to divide rather than unite.

 

BTW — the Bills shout song is offensive to many too but it doesn’t make it racist. I’m glad we beat the chiefs at their house — and embarrassed them in front of a national audience. But the chop is a great tradition in a world that is hell bent on getting ridding itself of history and tradition.

[notwoz]

28 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

28 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I'm curious. Who is this Dan Schneider fellow? And when did he buy the Washington Football Team from Dan Snyder?

 

I know plenty of native Americans who liked the name Washington Redskins because they thought it honored them .. and they were glad to be represented in the NFL

 

Not to mention that many natives actually painted their faces red with ocher for a thousand years.. it's historical

 

But Cancel culture is coming for everything 

 

If Dan Schneider was out bashing native Americans week in and week out it would be distasteful..but he's always been respectful about it and said it's about pride 

 

I don't think there's anything nefarious with the Seminole war chant.. or the Chiefs tomahawk chop

 

It's just something stupid to get the fans in the game.. I really don't think there's anything nefarious behind

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

He Removed the name after years of pressure... Let's be real he did not want to change it

 

He stated a hundred times I will never change the name.. he folded because pressure  

 

Distancing yourself from a racist owner and actually disliking the name are completely different I think.. Schneider always wanted to keep the name he just fell to pressure

He changed the name after his organization was getting buried under a mountain of crap as a distraction.

[Jauronimo]

1 minute ago, NY Nole said:

I feel really sorry for anyone that needs to play the racism card for anything they either dislike or don’t understand. There is nothing inclusive about cancel culture mentality to exclude all things they deem offensive. It’s time to grow the hell up and stop feeding into the narrative of racism. Funny how a quick scan of the crowds at FSU games and KC games would show that black people, white people and native Americans all participate in the chop. Football (sports) are a way to bring people together — but that doesn’t work for those content to divide rather than unite.

 

BTW — the Bills shout song is offensive to many too but it doesn’t make it racist. I’m glad we beat the chiefs at their house — and embarrassed them in front of a national audience. But the chop is a great tradition in a world that is hell bent on getting ridding itself of history and tradition.

Who is the Shout Song offensive to and for what reasons?

[WhoTom]

2 minutes ago, NY Nole said:

the Bills shout song is offensive to many too but it doesn’t make it racist.

 

Offensive? There's a difference between not liking something and finding it offensive.

[Warcodered]

Just now, Jauronimo said:

Who is the Shout Song offensive to and for what reasons?

at this point any other team in the AFC East?

[The Dean]

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I just mean it's an example of using a group of people as a mascot. I'm not offended. I'm not suggesting anyone is. Cleveland dropped the Indians because of cartoonish Chief Wahoo. But is "Indians" as a team name inherently racist? Many think so. I'm not so sure.

 

Well, one might argue the term Indian is a bit racist, but actually  just probably more on the stupid side. But it isn't as clearly racist as "Redskin", IMO. I'd agree Braves isn't in the same league at all. Then again, I'm not a native American. I think if you want to know if a term is offensive to a group, you ask the people in those groups. 

 

Still, I have to wonder why, a group of European Americans would chose to use a name completely removed from their culture/heritage. I'm guessing there were/are far more Irish people involved with Notre Dame sports than their Native Americans on any of the teams which borrow from their culture. I'm guessing a team called the Cowboys, from Texas, Oklahoma, etc, probably has had more than a few actual cowboys involved in their organization. Plus I don't think cowboys find the term Cowboy even remotely offensive.

 

Finally, one can recognize something as likely  "offense" without taking offense to it. 

7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I think it's all how it's used

 

If you walk up to a native and say hey redskin.. that's obviously very offensive

 

But natives used red ochre as war paint for a thousand years.. they have historical context painting their skin red... And referencing it 

 

If Dan Schneider said the Washington Redskins represent, The pride of native American warriors... And their history I don't see anything wrong with that

 

 

 

 

 

How often do you think the term "Redskin" has ever been used in a complimentary fashion, not including when it refers to a sports team?  Or even including them, for that matter.

[Demongyz]

3 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Who is the Shout Song offensive to and for what reasons?

Me.

 

Because it sucks.