Wizard Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 With 50+ years of AFL and NFL history and probably 1,500 or so players that have represented the Bills in a game, who would be your all-time 53 man roster? You can find my attempt at building what I consider to be the best overall roster. How many quarterbacks do you keep? Which great player gets left off because of positional depth? Is your team represented throughout the decades or does it represent the time you first became a fan? Curious to hear your process and all-time team! Resource and Criteria 1. I used this database to help me remember and comb through names…https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/buffalo-bills/alltime-roster?letter=B 2. My Criteria for choosing players was based on 4 things The player spent 2 or more years on the roster I picked players I thought would be quality players regardless of era or football rules. These players would fill their role well in any era. Position mattered. I was looking for my best team. I would rather have that 6th CB over say my 8th top RB in Bills history. I tried to look at what the player did as a Buffalo Bill and not based on what they may have done before or after their time with Bills. Offense (26) QB: Allen, Kelly RB: Simpson, Thomas, McCoy, F. Jackson, C. Gilchrist WR: Reed, Diggs, Lofton, Moulds, Evans, Beebe, Tasker TE: Metzelaars, Riemersma OT: Peters, Ballard, Fina, Wolford, Glenn (G/T) OG: Joe Delamielleure, R. Brown, Shaw C. Hull, Wood Special Teams (2) K. Christie P. Moorman ST: Tasker/T. McGhee (both listed on offense or defense unit) Defense (25) DE: Bruce Smith, Paup, Hughes, M. Williams, P. Hansen DT: S. Adams, Smerlas, K. Williams, T. Washington, P. Williams LB: Bennett, Conlan, Fletcher, Milano, Spikes CB/DB: N. Clements, A. Winfield, T. White, “Gilmore Girl”, T. McGhee, Odomes FS/SS: B. Byrd, H. Jones, Poyer, Hyde My Last 10 Cuts Ferguson, MaGuire, Edwards, Schobel, Lynch, K. Davis, Beasley, Dawkins, Richter, M. Patton Notable Defense Cuts: Handful of DB’s (tempted to keep Ko Simpson. He’s worth millions.), Cunningham, Edwards, Haslett, Guidry, Stratton, Patton, MaGuire,Dunaway, Kadish , P. C. Kelsay, Schobel, Jeffcoat Notable Offense Cuts: Joe Ferguson, Frank Reich, Marshawn Lynch, K. Davis, Henry, McGahee, Beasley, Owens (1 year), Watkins, K. McKellar, B. Rolle, C. Dawkins, R. McKenzie, Ritcher, Parker, Bemiller, Grant, Morse Notable ST Cuts: Lindell, Bass, C. Mohr What’s your team all-time Bills team? Let’s Go Buffalo! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 (edited) strong work, sir. Offense: -I would consider a FB and delete a RB. Sam Gash, maybe? -I would delete L. McCoy at RB and replace with either Joe Cribbs (shifty) or Travis Henry (super productive and reliable). -i would consider WR Bob Chandler or Jerry Butler (neither made your final cuts, even). Delete Tasker (as WR) or Beebe or Lee Evans. Defense: -I think you nailed DT -I dont think Milano belongs anywhere near any of this at LB, including the final cuts. Rather have Darryl Talley over Fletcher (tackle catcher) -I cant fault your FS/SS much, but I'd try to find a place for Lawyer Milloy. Changed the attitude on D. And I dont remember Kurt Schulz or The Great Kazoo (Mark Kelso) making many mistakes Notable final cuts: -Da'Rick Rodgers -Mike Jasper (obv) Edited September 6, 2021 by maddenboy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Oh man, this will be tough. Let me give it a shot: QB: Kelly, Kemp RB: Simpson, Thomas, Gilchrist FB: Braxton WR: Reed, Moulds, Butler, Diggs, Dubenion, Tasker OL: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Let's keep going, hit the wrong button QB: Kelly, Kemp RB: Simpson, Thomas, Gilchrist FB: Braxton, Carleton WR: Reed, Moulds, Butler, Diggs, Beasley, Moore (Rashad),Tasker O line: Hull, Joe D, Shaw, Ballard, Peters (starters), McKensie, Barber, Bemiller, Ritcher, Wolford (backups) D line: Smith, McDole, Sestak, Washington (starters) Smerlas, Schoebel, P Williams, Hughes, Day LB: Stratton, Fletcher, Bennett (starters), Conley, Talley, Paup, Jacobs (backups) CB: Egerson, White, Clements, James, Byrd, Odomes S: Saimes, Greene, Poyer, Hyde ST: Bass, Moorman, Ferguson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjmac Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Wizard, no love for Jim Braxton? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Your own rules say spent 2 years on the roster, but put Diggs on the list with only 1 year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwater10 Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 (edited) QB: Kelly, Allen RB: Thomas, Simpson, Gilchrist, Cribbs FB: Braxton OL: Wolford, McKenzie, Dellamielliure, Shaw, Hull, Ritcher (flex G/C) Ballard WR: Reed, Moulds, Butler, Chandler, Diggs (if eligible) , F Lewis TE: Metzellars, Seymour (blocking), McKellar, Rolle (red zone) DL: Bruce, K Williams, F Smerlas, M Kadish, T Washington, J Hughes, P Hansen, A Schoebel LB: Bennet, Talley, Haslett, Conlan, S Nelson, T Spikes CB: R James, T White, N Odomes, N Clemments, A Winfield, C Romes S: T Greene, B Byrd, H Jones, Saimes, M Hyde (difficult cut: J Nixon) P: Moorman K: Christie ST: Tasker Returns: T McGee (W Francis - Practice Squad) Head Coach: M Levy (McDermott closing fast - Needs a conference title to move ahead) Front Office: B Beane, B Polian, Tempo Restaurant Edited September 6, 2021 by cwater10 Completion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 I can't wait to make my list and include Ertz in my tight end group. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: Let's keep going, hit the wrong button QB: Kelly, Kemp RB: Simpson, Thomas, Gilchrist FB: Braxton, Carleton WR: Reed, Moulds, Butler, Diggs, Beasley, Moore (Rashad),Tasker O line: Hull, Joe D, Shaw, Ballard, Peters (starters), McKensie, Barber, Bemiller, Ritcher, Wolford (backups) D line: Smith, McDole, Sestak, Washington (starters) Smerlas, Schoebel, P Williams, Hughes, Day LB: Stratton, Fletcher, Bennett (starters), Conley, Talley, Paup, Jacobs (backups) CB: Egerson, White, Clements, James, Byrd, Odomes S: Saimes, Greene, Poyer, Hyde ST: Bass, Moorman, Ferguson Damn, I forgot TE. So I have to take Carleton off the roster and add Ernie Warlick. Edited September 6, 2021 by oldmanfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 I’ll let you guys speculate, but small correction moreso to look back farther is 60+ years, not 50. Before most of our time, but some greats when looking back at the AFL teams. The seasoned veterans on the board are probably more qualified to compare as they watched them compared to their peers of the day as it was a different game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 As an original Bills fan since 1960, Cookie Gilchrist was a fullback. Offensive tackle Stew Barber said, “Cookie was a tremendous blocker. He could take a defensive end and throw him aside with no trouble at all. He was very strong.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: Let's keep going, hit the wrong button QB: Kelly, Kemp RB: Simpson, Thomas, Gilchrist FB: Braxton, Carleton WR: Reed, Moulds, Butler, Diggs, Beasley, Moore (Rashad),Tasker O line: Hull, Joe D, Shaw, Ballard, Peters (starters), McKensie, Barber, Bemiller, Ritcher, Wolford (backups) D line: Smith, McDole, Sestak, Washington (starters) Smerlas, Schoebel, P Williams, Hughes, Day LB: Stratton, Fletcher, Bennett (starters), Conley, Talley, Paup, Jacobs (backups) CB: Egerson, White, Clements, James, Byrd, Odomes S: Saimes, Greene, Poyer, Hyde ST: Bass, Moorman, Ferguson Paup would have to be a starter. He was a disruptor defensively. Christie over Bass. Tasker on special teams only. Derrick Burroughs was a pretty good CB before his injury. T.O at wideout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 OK, since I've been here since the beginning [1960] here's my take [46 spots ]: QB: Kelly, Allen RB: OJ, Cookie (fb), Thurman, Fred WR: Reed, Frank Lewis, Lofton, Moulds, Dubenion, Butler TE: Metzelaars, Reimersma. [Bills have not exactly had HOF TE's] OL: Hull, R. Brown, Joe D, Shaw, Wolford, McKenzie, Wood, Ritcher, House DL: Bruce, Sestak, McDole, Ted Washington, Kyle, Pat Williams, Schobel LB: Talley, Stratton, Shane Conlan, Bennett DB: Byrd, Tre White, Robert James, Saimes, Gilmore, Odomes, Mario Clark, Clemens K: Christie P: Moorman ST: Tasker Ret: McGee Obviously OJ and lately Bennett would not make the all-character team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Gianelli Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 (edited) Thanks for the interesting thread. You'll have to trust me on the old-timers. The Bills dominated the league in 1964 and 1965. Gilchrist should be right behind Simpson and Thomas. McDole and Sestak were great defensive linemen and should be right up there. Chandler and Butler should be on the WR list before Tasker and Beebe. But Tasker would be on the all time 53 as ST not just for the Bills, but for the league. Who is the Glenn on the O-line? Not Cordy Glenn? DId you mean Glenn Parker? I would place Joe Devlin, Stew Barber, Donnie Green, Mike Montler or Paul Seymour ahead of Cordy Glenn. Edited September 6, 2021 by John Gianelli forgot one 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 2 hours ago, DJB said: I can't wait to make my list and include Ertz in my tight end group. Reported. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17islongenough Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 So no long snapper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 7 hours ago, Wizard said: With 50+ years of AFL and NFL history and probably 1,500 or so players that have represented the Bills in a game, who would be your all-time 53 man roster? You can find my attempt at building what I consider to be the best overall roster. How many quarterbacks do you keep? Which great player gets left off because of positional depth? Is your team represented throughout the decades or does it represent the time you first became a fan? Curious to hear your process and all-time team! Resource and Criteria 1. I used this database to help me remember and comb through names…https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/buffalo-bills/alltime-roster?letter=B 2. My Criteria for choosing players was based on 4 things The player spent 2 or more years on the roster I picked players I thought would be quality players regardless of era or football rules. These players would fill their role well in any era. Position mattered. I was looking for my best team. I would rather have that 6th CB over say my 8th top RB in Bills history. I tried to look at what the player did as a Buffalo Bill and not based on what they may have done before or after their time with Bills. Offense (26) QB: Allen, Kelly RB: Simpson, Thomas, McCoy, F. Jackson, C. Gilchrist WR: Reed, Diggs, Lofton, Moulds, Evans, Beebe, Tasker TE: Metzelaars, Riemersma OT: Peters, Ballard, Fina, Wolford, Glenn (G/T) OG: Joe Delamielleure, R. Brown, Shaw C. Hull, Wood Special Teams (2) K. Christie P. Moorman ST: Tasker/T. McGhee (both listed on offense or defense unit) Defense (25) DE: Bruce Smith, Paup, Hughes, M. Williams, P. Hansen DT: S. Adams, Smerlas, K. Williams, T. Washington, P. Williams LB: Bennett, Conlan, Fletcher, Milano, Spikes CB/DB: N. Clements, A. Winfield, T. White, “Gilmore Girl”, T. McGhee, Odomes FS/SS: B. Byrd, H. Jones, Poyer, Hyde My Last 10 Cuts Ferguson, MaGuire, Edwards, Schobel, Lynch, K. Davis, Beasley, Dawkins, Richter, M. Patton Notable Defense Cuts: Handful of DB’s (tempted to keep Ko Simpson. He’s worth millions.), Cunningham, Edwards, Haslett, Guidry, Stratton, Patton, MaGuire,Dunaway, Kadish , P. C. Kelsay, Schobel, Jeffcoat Notable Offense Cuts: Joe Ferguson, Frank Reich, Marshawn Lynch, K. Davis, Henry, McGahee, Beasley, Owens (1 year), Watkins, K. McKellar, B. Rolle, C. Dawkins, R. McKenzie, Ritcher, Parker, Bemiller, Grant, Morse Notable ST Cuts: Lindell, Bass, C. Mohr What’s your team all-time Bills team? Let’s Go Buffalo! It shows how sad the quarterback play has been for this franchise when Frank Reich is listed as a notable cut for the all time team 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard Posted September 6, 2021 Author Share Posted September 6, 2021 All great insights and points made. Thanks! A couple general thoughts as I read comments. 1. Appreciate those who have the personal historical knowledge to give a player in the 60s, 70s, or early 80s their due as I have seen very little or bits and pieces. 2. Talley was unintentionally left off. My bad. He would replace Milano. 3. I found the notable cuts list to be getting so large and demanding that I left off or removed names from the notable list. Great counters and points in replies. 4. Players were not put into a depth chart, per se. I would have Cookie as my FB/3rd down option or #3 overall in his position group. 5. So much depth at all positions in team history, however, I honestly thought about not have a TE on my team at all. Curious to see your team and comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 You have to be pretty old to know how great he was, but Robert James was the best CB to ever play on the Bills and one of their very best players ever. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Excellent work: My edits: 1. WR - Remove Beebe and add Jerry Butler. I include Diggs. If you remove him because of the two year rule then I keep an extra RB - Fred Jackson see below. 2. RB - Remove Fred Jackson and add Joe Cribbs. This is the hardest group. I loved McCoy and it is no knock on Jackson. But Cribbs was a dual threat RB much like Thurman. Had he stayed with the Bills he would have been an all-time great. Any all-53 must have Gilchrist on my team as did the OP! 3. DE - Add Schobel. He is the most underrated Bill. Move Paup to OLB. He didn't play DE. 4. LB - Moving Paup to LB means Milano is off the list. Conlan was overrated and with Fletcher and Spikes you have two Inside Backers. I would add 6 time All-star Mike Stratton. I too leave off Talley - he's on my list of most overrated Bills. 5. TE - Warlick is the only decent player in the history of the franchise. For that reason I have only 1 TE and that let's me keep an extra OT - Dawkins. 6. DB's - think you nailed it. Henry Jones was not a superstar but he was quite good. You could make a case for Milloy but Jones played more seasons with the Bills. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBillsFan Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 10 minutes ago, Wizard said: All great insights and points made. Thanks! A couple general thoughts as I read comments. 1. Appreciate those who have the personal historical knowledge to give a player in the 60s, 70s, or early 80s their due as I have seen very little or bits and pieces. 2. Talley was unintentionally left off. My bad. He would replace Milano. 3. I found the notable cuts list to be getting so large and demanding that I left off or removed names from the notable list. Great counters and points in replies. 4. Players were not put into a depth chart, per se. I would have Cookie as my FB/3rd down option or #3 overall in his position group. 5. So much depth at all positions in team history, however, I honestly thought about not have a TE on my team at all. Curious to see your team and comments. Go ahead and make the change. Just show the corrections so people see you changed it. Definitely Talley on there! Also Travis Henry over FredEx. We love him, but that would be like putting Fitz on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 I'd have put the guy the K gun was named for Keith McKeller on the 53, maybe cut one lineman. How can you leave the legend of Kiko off the all time roster?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 6 hours ago, oldmanfan said: Oh man, this will be tough. Let me give it a shot: QB: Kelly, Kemp RB: Simpson, Thomas, Gilchrist FB: Braxton WR: Reed, Moulds, Butler, Diggs, Dubenion, Tasker OL: Wasn’t Gilchrist a FB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 17 minutes ago, chris heff said: Wasn’t Gilchrist a FB? Yep. In general, in 1963 Ed Rutkowski of all people, then a rookie, was the main RB. In 64, it was Bobby Smith. Gilchrist was the fullback but the main ball carrier and threat. Just a great player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 (edited) QB - Kelly, Allen HB - Simpson, Thomas, McCoy, Lynch, Cribbs, Jackson FB - Gilchrist TE - Metzelaars, Riemersma WR - Reed, Diggs, Moulds, Lofton, Evans, Tasker OT - Peters, Barber, Wolford, Devlin OG - Shaw, DeLamielleure, Richter, McKenzie C - Hull, Wood DT - Smerlas, T. Washington, P. Washington, P. Williams DE - Smith, Hansen, Schobel, Hughes, Williams LB - Bennett, Talley, Spikes, Conlan CB - White, Odomes, Clements, Winfield, Byrd, McGee S - Saimes, Jones, Kelso, Byrd K - Christie P - Moorman LS - Dorenbos Edited September 6, 2021 by JohnBonhamRocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 32 minutes ago, chris heff said: Wasn’t Gilchrist a FB? He and Wray Carleton flip flopped a bit. Cookie was my Bettis type RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: He and Wray Carleton flip flopped a bit. Cookie was my Bettis type RB. But technically he was listed as a FB, however it was a different position in those days. Kelly the Dog is right about who the HBs were on those teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 1 minute ago, chris heff said: But technically he was listed as a FB, however it was a different position in those days. Kelly the Dog is right about who the HBs were on those teams. It’s my team, I’ll pick who I want. I watched those teams and Cookie was a fantastic runner. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: It’s my team, I’ll pick who I want. I watched those teams and Cookie was a fantastic runner. That’s when I became a fan, Cookie was an angry runner and a big man. Jim Brown was also listed as a FB, different era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 6 minutes ago, chris heff said: That’s when I became a fan, Cookie was an angry runner and a big man. Jim Brown was also listed as a FB, different era. Absolutely. I wish some of the younger folks here would have gotten the opportunity to watch the AFL teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 When he was so motivated Cookie was a phenomenal blocker. Remember he was the size of most of the Offensive Tackles in the league at the time. I remember watching him run for 243 yards in a game on a field that today would be called unplayable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 (edited) Any list that does not have Robert James as the primo CB is not informed. He wasn't just a shut down CB, he was a shut out CB. Teams simply did not throw his way. In my view, here are the musts: Robert James OJ Simpson Mike Stratton Bruce Smith Tom Sestak Thurman Thomas Kelly, Josh Allen Cookie Gilchrist Joe DeLamielleure Kent Hull Billy Shaw Andre Reed Steve Christie Special consideration Steve Tasker Guys who have been mentioned that should not be: Stew Barber Don Beebe Edited September 6, 2021 by sherpa 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 6 minutes ago, sherpa said: Any list that does not have Robert James as the primo CB is not informed. He wasn't just a shut down CB, he was a shut out CB. Teams simply did not throw his way. In my view, here are the musts: Robert James OJ Simpson Mike Stratton Bruce Smith Tom Sestak Thurman Thomas Kelly, Josh Allen Cookie Gilchrist Joe DeLamielleure Kent Hull Billy Shaw Andre Reed Steve Christie Special consideration Steve Tasker Guys who have been mentioned that should not be: Stew Barber Don Beebe Yeah there were entire games teams didn’t throw one pass Robert James’ way. Fans around the league didn’t even know much about him because you would watch a Bills game and never hear his name mentioned. He was that good. Sucks injuries cut his career in half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: Yeah there were entire games teams didn’t throw one pass Robert James’ way. Fans around the league didn’t even know much about him because you would watch a Bills game and never hear his name mentioned. He was that good. Sucks injuries cut his career in half. You must have seen those games, as I did. As a kid, at the stadium, I would watch his matchup and they would always go to the other side of the field. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, Wizard said: With 50+ years of AFL and NFL history and probably 1,500 or so players that have represented the Bills in a game, who would be your all-time 53 man roster? You can find my attempt at building what I consider to be the best overall roster. How many quarterbacks do you keep? Which great player gets left off because of positional depth? Is your team represented throughout the decades or does it represent the time you first became a fan? Curious to hear your process and all-time team! Resource and Criteria 1. I used this database to help me remember and comb through names…https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/buffalo-bills/alltime-roster?letter=B 2. My Criteria for choosing players was based on 4 things The player spent 2 or more years on the roster I picked players I thought would be quality players regardless of era or football rules. These players would fill their role well in any era. Position mattered. I was looking for my best team. I would rather have that 6th CB over say my 8th top RB in Bills history. I tried to look at what the player did as a Buffalo Bill and not based on what they may have done before or after their time with Bills. Offense (26) QB: Allen, Kelly RB: Simpson, Thomas, McCoy, F. Jackson, C. Gilchrist WR: Reed, Diggs, Lofton, Moulds, Evans, Beebe, Tasker TE: Metzelaars, Riemersma OT: Peters, Ballard, Fina, Wolford, Glenn (G/T) OG: Joe Delamielleure, R. Brown, Shaw C. Hull, Wood Special Teams (2) K. Christie P. Moorman ST: Tasker/T. McGhee (both listed on offense or defense unit) Defense (25) DE: Bruce Smith, Paup, Hughes, M. Williams, P. Hansen DT: S. Adams, Smerlas, K. Williams, T. Washington, P. Williams LB: Bennett, Conlan, Fletcher, Milano, Spikes CB/DB: N. Clements, A. Winfield, T. White, “Gilmore Girl”, T. McGhee, Odomes FS/SS: B. Byrd, H. Jones, Poyer, Hyde My Last 10 Cuts Ferguson, MaGuire, Edwards, Schobel, Lynch, K. Davis, Beasley, Dawkins, Richter, M. Patton Notable Defense Cuts: Handful of DB’s (tempted to keep Ko Simpson. He’s worth millions.), Cunningham, Edwards, Haslett, Guidry, Stratton, Patton, MaGuire,Dunaway, Kadish , P. C. Kelsay, Schobel, Jeffcoat Notable Offense Cuts: Joe Ferguson, Frank Reich, Marshawn Lynch, K. Davis, Henry, McGahee, Beasley, Owens (1 year), Watkins, K. McKellar, B. Rolle, C. Dawkins, R. McKenzie, Ritcher, Parker, Bemiller, Grant, Morse Notable ST Cuts: Lindell, Bass, C. Mohr What’s your team all-time Bills team? Let’s Go Buffalo! Good effort but not enough knowkedge of the great 60’s and 70’s players. You don’t even mention Tom Sestak, the best DT in the AFL, far better than Dunaway, injuries cut his career short? He led our defense to two AFL championships. Corner Booker Edgerson was a shut down CB. Butch Byrd was not a safety but George Saimes was. No Ernie Warlich mention. Elbert Dubenion.? Robert James? Ron McDole? From the 70’s what about Jerry Butler? Better than many in later era. Edited September 6, 2021 by Bob in STL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Re: All time Kicker, that is a close call. Lindell played 10 seasons 152 games, made 83.3% of his FG's, and Missed ONE of his 306 XP attempts. Christie Played 9 seasons 144 games, made 78.3% of his FG's and Missed four of 313 XP attempts. For Lindell to be that consistent during the playoff drought is remarkable. Tough to compare TB% on Kickoffs since the league has messed around with the kickoff spot over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 QB: Kelly, Allen RB: Simpson, Thomas, Cribbs FB: Gilchrist WR: Reed, Diggs, Moulds, Dubenion, Lofton, Butler TE: Warlick, McKeller, Metzelaars T: Wolford, Peters, Ballard, Devlin G: Shaw, Joe D., Brown, McKenzie C-Hull, Montler K- Christie Defense to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, cwater10 said: QB: Kelly, Allen RB: Thomas, Simpson, Gilchrist, Cribbs FB: Braxton OL: Wolford, McKenzie, Dellamielliure, Shaw, Hull, Ritcher (flex G/C) Ballard WR: Reed, Moulds, Butler, Chandler, Diggs (if eligible) , F Lewis TE: Metzellars, Seymour (blocking), McKellar, Rolle (red zone) DL: Bruce, K Williams, F Smerlas, M Kadish, T Washington, J Hughes, P Hansen, A Schoebel LB: Bennet, Talley, Haslett, Conlan, S Nelson, T Spikes CB: R James, T White, N Odomes, N Clemments, A Winfield, C Romes S: T Greene, B Byrd, H Jones, Saimes, M Hyde (difficult cut: J Nixon) P: Moorman K: Christie ST: Tasker Returns: T McGee (W Francis - Practice Squad) 21 hours ago, Wizard said: With 50+ years of AFL and NFL history and probably 1,500 or so players that have represented the Bills in a game, who would be your all-time 53 man roster? You can find my attempt at building what I consider to be the best overall roster. How many quarterbacks do you keep? Which great player gets left off because of positional depth? Is your team represented throughout the decades or does it represent the time you first became a fan? Curious to hear your process and all-time team! Resource and Criteria 1. I used this database to help me remember and comb through names…https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/buffalo-bills/alltime-roster?letter=B 2. My Criteria for choosing players was based on 4 things The player spent 2 or more years on the roster I picked players I thought would be quality players regardless of era or football rules. These players would fill their role well in any era. Position mattered. I was looking for my best team. I would rather have that 6th CB over say my 8th top RB in Bills history. I tried to look at what the player did as a Buffalo Bill and not based on what they may have done before or after their time with Bills. Offense (26) QB: Allen, Kelly RB: Simpson, Thomas, McCoy, F. Jackson, C. Gilchrist WR: Reed, Diggs, Lofton, Moulds, Evans, Beebe, Tasker TE: Metzelaars, Riemersma OT: Peters, Ballard, Fina, Wolford, Glenn (G/T) OG: Joe Delamielleure, R. Brown, Shaw C. Hull, Wood Special Teams (2) K. Christie P. Moorman ST: Tasker/T. McGhee (both listed on offense or defense unit) Defense (25) DE: Bruce Smith, Paup, Hughes, M. Williams, P. Hansen DT: S. Adams, Smerlas, K. Williams, T. Washington, P. Williams LB: Bennett, Conlan, Fletcher, Milano, Spikes CB/DB: N. Clements, A. Winfield, T. White, “Gilmore Girl”, T. McGhee, Odomes FS/SS: B. Byrd, H. Jones, Poyer, Hyde My Last 10 Cuts Ferguson, MaGuire, Edwards, Schobel, Lynch, K. Davis, Beasley, Dawkins, Richter, M. Patton Notable Defense Cuts: Handful of DB’s (tempted to keep Ko Simpson. He’s worth millions.), Cunningham, Edwards, Haslett, Guidry, Stratton, Patton, MaGuire,Dunaway, Kadish , P. C. Kelsay, Schobel, Jeffcoat Notable Offense Cuts: Joe Ferguson, Frank Reich, Marshawn Lynch, K. Davis, Henry, McGahee, Beasley, Owens (1 year), Watkins, K. McKellar, B. Rolle, C. Dawkins, R. McKenzie, Ritcher, Parker, Bemiller, Grant, Morse Notable ST Cuts: Lindell, Bass, C. Mohr What’s your team all-time Bills team? Let’s Go Buffalo! Sam Cowart (LB) is a glaring omission. And Don Beene? Really? Edited September 7, 2021 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 21 hours ago, Wizard said: With 50+ years of AFL and NFL history and probably 1,500 or so players that have represented the Bills in a game, who would be your all-time 53 man roster? You can find my attempt at building what I consider to be the best overall roster. How many quarterbacks do you keep? Which great player gets left off because of positional depth? Is your team represented throughout the decades or does it represent the time you first became a fan? Curious to hear your process and all-time team! Resource and Criteria 1. I used this database to help me remember and comb through names…https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/buffalo-bills/alltime-roster?letter=B 2. My Criteria for choosing players was based on 4 things The player spent 2 or more years on the roster I picked players I thought would be quality players regardless of era or football rules. These players would fill their role well in any era. Position mattered. I was looking for my best team. I would rather have that 6th CB over say my 8th top RB in Bills history. I tried to look at what the player did as a Buffalo Bill and not based on what they may have done before or after their time with Bills. Offense (26) QB: Allen, Kelly RB: Simpson, Thomas, McCoy, F. Jackson, C. Gilchrist WR: Reed, Diggs, Lofton, Moulds, Evans, Beebe, Tasker TE: Metzelaars, Riemersma OT: Peters, Ballard, Fina, Wolford, Glenn (G/T) OG: Joe Delamielleure, R. Brown, Shaw C. Hull, Wood Special Teams (2) K. Christie P. Moorman ST: Tasker/T. McGhee (both listed on offense or defense unit) Defense (25) DE: Bruce Smith, Paup, Hughes, M. Williams, P. Hansen DT: S. Adams, Smerlas, K. Williams, T. Washington, P. Williams LB: Bennett, Conlan, Fletcher, Milano, Spikes CB/DB: N. Clements, A. Winfield, T. White, “Gilmore Girl”, T. McGhee, Odomes FS/SS: B. Byrd, H. Jones, Poyer, Hyde My Last 10 Cuts Ferguson, MaGuire, Edwards, Schobel, Lynch, K. Davis, Beasley, Dawkins, Richter, M. Patton Notable Defense Cuts: Handful of DB’s (tempted to keep Ko Simpson. He’s worth millions.), Cunningham, Edwards, Haslett, Guidry, Stratton, Patton, MaGuire,Dunaway, Kadish , P. C. Kelsay, Schobel, Jeffcoat Notable Offense Cuts: Joe Ferguson, Frank Reich, Marshawn Lynch, K. Davis, Henry, McGahee, Beasley, Owens (1 year), Watkins, K. McKellar, B. Rolle, C. Dawkins, R. McKenzie, Ritcher, Parker, Bemiller, Grant, Morse Notable ST Cuts: Lindell, Bass, C. Mohr What’s your team all-time Bills team? Let’s Go Buffalo! Couple notes... Lindell would be my first cut. Also how do you cut Schobel and Beasley? Why no Jabari Greer love? You didn't roster a long snapper... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 QB - Kelly, Ferguson, Kemp (not leaving off a QB who took us to back-to-back AFL Championships)(Josh will be on this list soon enough, maybe after this year. RB - Simpson, Thomas, Cribbs FB - Gilchrist, Braxton WR - Reed, Dubenion, Butler, Moulds TE - McKellar, Metzelars (what a black hole of a position) (should have drafted Gronk just to add a legitimate name to this list) OL - Devlin, Shaw, Hull, Joe D., Ballard, Wolford, Richter, McKenzie, D. Green (I'm leaving Peters off the list for same reason as leaving Lofton and Lynch off - HOF but mostly for different teams). DL - Bruce, Sestak, T. Washington, McDole, Hughes, P. Williams, Smerlas, Hansen LB - Bennett, Stratton, Spikes, Talley, Haslett, Conlan DB - James, Edgerson, Winfield, Clements, Saimes, T. Greene, H. Jones, Hyde K - Christie P - Moorman LS - one of these guys can learn to snap the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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