BillStime Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 If this nut job is praising Biden - you know it's the wrong decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 It would appear to me that these people want to live under Taliban rule. There's only so much that can be done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 15 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: It would appear to me that these people want to live under Taliban rule. There's only so much that can be done. I’m guessing it’s more likely that they have so little at stake that they don’t feel like fighting that hard to protect it. The entire country is nothing but dirt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 59 minutes ago, BillStime said: So does the entire GQP. What a mess. Hey Pee Wee. How's your Sunday going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Kabul has fallen. Every U.S. President, former and current, should be hanging his head in shame. - George W. Bush: for deciding that the attacks on terrorist training camps and the neutralization of the terrorist threat from Afghanistan wasn't the sole limited purpose of the operation. That had succeeded by early 2002. The war went on two more decades. And for distracting the U.S. military from the mission by engaging in a pointless war with Saddam Hussein's Iraq. - Barack Obama: for vacillating between withdrawal talk and surge talk. But in retrospect, probably the most successful (well, let's say "least unsuccessful") of out post 9-11 presidencies. - Donald Trump: for brokering a joke of a peace agreement with the Taliban (the Doha agreement) and insisting on departure on a date certain, allowing the Taliban to cynically wait out the American departure - Joe Biden: for finally carrying out that departure, either knowingly allowing the descent into chaos and retribution, or naively believing that the Afghan government/army could hold off the assault. My take on it: Trump kept our troops in not so much to avoid chaos, but to postpone chaos until after the election. Biden allowed this to happen right away, hoping the debacle will be largely forgotten by the time 2024 rolls around. What a mess. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted August 15, 2021 Author Share Posted August 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Kabul has fallen. Every U.S. President, former and current, should be hanging his head in shame. - George W. Bush: for deciding that the attacks on terrorist training camps and the neutralization of the terrorist threat from Afghanistan wasn't the sole limited purpose of the operation. That had succeeded by early 2002. The war went on two more decades. And for distracting the U.S. military from the mission by engaging in a pointless war with Saddam Hussein's Iraq. - Barack Obama: for vacillating between withdrawal talk and surge talk. But in retrospect, probably the most successful (well, let's say "least unsuccessful") of out post 9-11 presidencies. - Donald Trump: for brokering a joke of a peace agreement with the Taliban (the Doha agreement) and insisting on departure on a date certain, allowing the Taliban to cynically wait out the American departure - Joe Biden: for finally carrying out that departure, either knowingly allowing the descent into chaos and retribution, or naively believing that the Afghan government/army could hold off the assault. My take on it: Trump kept our troops in not so much to avoid chaos, but to postpone chaos until after the election. Biden allowed this to happen right away, hoping the debacle will be largely forgotten by the time 2024 rolls around. What a mess. Only question remaining...how to keep the military contractors busy and happy. Employment levels will fall. This is the biggest socialist program in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 36 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Kabul has fallen. Every U.S. President, former and current, should be hanging his head in shame. - George W. Bush: for deciding that the attacks on terrorist training camps and the neutralization of the terrorist threat from Afghanistan wasn't the sole limited purpose of the operation. That had succeeded by early 2002. The war went on two more decades. And for distracting the U.S. military from the mission by engaging in a pointless war with Saddam Hussein's Iraq. - Barack Obama: for vacillating between withdrawal talk and surge talk. But in retrospect, probably the most successful (well, let's say "least unsuccessful") of out post 9-11 presidencies. - Donald Trump: for brokering a joke of a peace agreement with the Taliban (the Doha agreement) and insisting on departure on a date certain, allowing the Taliban to cynically wait out the American departure - Joe Biden: for finally carrying out that departure, either knowingly allowing the descent into chaos and retribution, or naively believing that the Afghan government/army could hold off the assault. My take on it: Trump kept our troops in not so much to avoid chaos, but to postpone chaos until after the election. Biden allowed this to happen right away, hoping the debacle will be largely forgotten by the time 2024 rolls around. What a mess. The situation changed when China started WWIII. Sorry that's just a fact. Mask up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 2 hours ago, BillStime said: If this nut job is praising Biden - you know it's the wrong decision. It wasn’t the wrong decision - Biden just bungled the withdrawal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 China wins: Whether withdrawal was the correct decision is a strategic question. The pressing tactical question that Tapper keeps asking is why was it done so incompetently? Why did we withdraw all troops weeks ago, knowing the risk that would create of a lightning Taliban advance, only to have to reinsert 5,000 this weekend to get American diplomats out safely before they were massacred by advancing jihadis? And just as importantly, why didn’t we start evacuating Afghans who had aided U.S. forces months ago? Biden should have made up his mind on Afghanistan by the time he took office on January 20. If he was committed to withdrawal, the order could have been given that day to begin evacuating Afghan interpreters and other allied agents. Instead, by leaving in a rush before they could be extricated, he’s left them to the mercy of jbarbarians. It’s a fiasco. “The puzzle for me is the absence of contingency planning: If everyone knew we were headed for the exits, why did we not have a plan over the past two years for making this work?” said retired general Douglas Lute to the NYT. Never mind two years; we could have hatched that plan at any time over the past 20. “As the bulk of American troops departed,” a former McCain advisor marveled to Axios, “there was no plan for securing regional base access, for the contractors that maintain the Afghan military, for training that military after the U.S. departure, for evacuating interpreters and helpers.” This is the result, with American diplomats still on the ground in Kabul: "Why didn’t it start six months ago? Americans can tolerate withdrawal from Afghanistan happily. They can even tolerate seeing the Taliban back in power. But they won’t tolerate the needless humiliation of having our diplomats chased out in a panic or the needless horror of seeing Afghans who trusted us to guarantee their safety betrayed. I mean, I hope they won’t tolerate it. But I don’t know. American voters have gotten used to national disgrace. What’s one more episode, however spectacular? “Nobody under 30 (35?) can even remember a U.S. foreign policy engagement that could be described as positive besides one off assassinations,” Tim Miller wrote this morning. “This is going to have cultural implications as we further retrench and decline.” https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2021/08/15/tapper-to-tony-blinken-why-did-you-guys-let-our-exit-from-afghanistan-turn-into-such-a-fiasco-n408995 Maybe the Pentagon has been spending too much time with investigating January 6th and diversity training to adequately prepare a withdrawal - which post Covid I would oppose - we look like such a cluster and absolutely a declining power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 34 minutes ago, SCBills said: It wasn’t the wrong decision - Biden just bungled the withdrawal. The end result was inevitable 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 1 minute ago, BillStime said: The end result was inevitable End result being Taliban control… yes. Saigon, Part 2.. no. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Chef Jim said: Hey Pee Wee. How's your Sunday going? Fantastic - yours? 5 minutes ago, SCBills said: End result being Taliban control… yes. Saigon, Part 2.. no. Should we have invited the Taliban to Camp David? Legitimize them like the last guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 3 hours ago, BillStime said: If this nut job is praising Biden - you know it's the wrong decision. Biden lost CNN but gained the nut job. Win! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 5 hours ago, SCBills said: I do enjoy the “bUt TrUmP tHoUgH…” Yes, Trump wanted to pull our troops out - it was long overdue - Doesn’t mean it had to go down like this. Biden is President and this is Biden’s withdrawal plan. Trump said the border was closed. Biden also says the border is closed. That clearly doesn’t mean they have the same policies regarding the border being closed. One was working. One is an abject disaster. As we can see, the answer to this abject failure of the Biden administration is that those who supported Biden now look to deflect blame over the last several presidencies. One of the common denominators, of course, is Joe Biden as a major political player through it all. The Taliban knew the only real concern with Biden in the White House was getting blamed for burning it down when he placed his keys in the microwave. But seriously—God Bless the true believers looking for the good old days of establishment politics. Tally so far: -Joe’s got a “great plan” for distributing the Trump vaccine, said plan being to $&@& it up. -Joe’s expertise in foreign policy and the relationships he’s forged over 5 decades reveals an incredible aptitude to be caught on tape totally misjudging a complex situation like that in Afghanistan. -Inflation rat$&$&ing the middle class. What a numbskull. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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keepthefaith Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Let's just call this what it is. We knew that if the Afghan forces were challenged, they'd drop their guns and run. We knew the Taliban would take control in short order. For good or bad this administration simply doesn't care what happens there going forward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1426799374990942217?s=21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 6 hours ago, RaoulDuke79 said: It would appear to me that these people want to live under Taliban rule. There's only so much that can be done. Well the government we propped up was incredibly unpopular. Eliminate that option and you’re left with either the taliban or the gangland chaos that pre-existed them. Before the taliban takeover you could barely call Afghanistan a country. Getting through a major city involved going through maybe a dozen checkpoints which required payment to a thug of whichever gang or warlord happened to hold that checkpoint. And if some gang or warlord kidnapped, raped, and killed your daughter because you couldn’t post protection that month, you had no recourse. At least under the taliban you might have some recourse. Assuming, of course, that the taliban weren’t the ones who, ahem, conscripted your daughter. So you can have Mad Max-ian anarchy or the taliban government. I can see why some choose the latter, though the taliban may offend whatever it is that constitutes my soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 #wheresbiden … but for real though, where tf is he!? Is POTUS seriously not going to say anything today OR tomorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Did they for real release this picture? Just now, SCBills said: #wheresbiden … but for real though, where tf is he!? Is POTUS seriously not going to say anything today OR tomorrow? That's the chatter I'm hearing that an event like today warrants a national address. Plus that photo is getting embarrassing. It might even be fake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 They also outed the location of ops in that tweet… Doha Station Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 I expected a national address on his Covid failure and an updated plan but there isn't one thats acceptable to us so.....they'll just blame. Hmm....kinda like Afghanistan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Doc Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 1 hour ago, LeviF said: Well the government we propped up was incredibly unpopular. Eliminate that option and you’re left with either the taliban or the gangland chaos that pre-existed them. Before the taliban takeover you could barely call Afghanistan a country. Getting through a major city involved going through maybe a dozen checkpoints which required payment to a thug of whichever gang or warlord happened to hold that checkpoint. And if some gang or warlord kidnapped, raped, and killed your daughter because you couldn’t post protection that month, you had no recourse. At least under the taliban you might have some recourse. Assuming, of course, that the taliban weren’t the ones who, ahem, conscripted your daughter. So you can have Mad Max-ian anarchy or the taliban government. I can see why some choose the latter, though the taliban may offend whatever it is that constitutes my soul. And their thinking is that Taliban rule will be incredibly popular? If that's what they thought, they deserve what they're getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Biden is nowhere to be seen, so multiple media outlets started emailing Jen Psaki…. ….only to be met with an out of office reply until the 22nd. Im pretty sure this Administration is just trolling us now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 7 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: Kabul has fallen. Every U.S. President, former and current, should be hanging his head in shame. - George W. Bush: for deciding that the attacks on terrorist training camps and the neutralization of the terrorist threat from Afghanistan wasn't the sole limited purpose of the operation. That had succeeded by early 2002. The war went on two more decades. And for distracting the U.S. military from the mission by engaging in a pointless war with Saddam Hussein's Iraq. - Barack Obama: for vacillating between withdrawal talk and surge talk. But in retrospect, probably the most successful (well, let's say "least unsuccessful") of out post 9-11 presidencies. - Donald Trump: for brokering a joke of a peace agreement with the Taliban (the Doha agreement) and insisting on departure on a date certain, allowing the Taliban to cynically wait out the American departure - Joe Biden: for finally carrying out that departure, either knowingly allowing the descent into chaos and retribution, or naively believing that the Afghan government/army could hold off the assault. My take on it: Trump kept our troops in not so much to avoid chaos, but to postpone chaos until after the election. Biden allowed this to happen right away, hoping the debacle will be largely forgotten by the time 2024 rolls around. What a mess. Biden easily could've reversed course on Trump's foolish Doha agreement but didn't for political purposes. The buck stops with him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SCBills Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Current situation at the airport.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 19 minutes ago, SCBills said: Biden is nowhere to be seen, so multiple media outlets started emailing Jen Psaki…. ….only to be met with an out of office reply until the 22nd. Im pretty sure this Administration is just trolling us now. Even MSM is having troubles putting lipstick on this pig. How did they not get everyone out first? Wasn’t their some junior reporter that asked Joe about having to evacuate embassies in Kabul and Joe condescendingly shot back ‘that’s not gonna happen!’ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 On 8/13/2021 at 7:20 AM, oldmanfan said: Afghanistan has not been figured out by any country including the U.S., and in the U.S. multiple administrations have not been able to come up with a coherent strategy. I am an admitted war hawk; I believe our military is to be used for the defense of our country and to defend the values our country stands for. Thus, as the Taliban represents a real and present danger to the people of Afghanistan, with genocide of men, women, and children, I would go in with a huge, overwhelming force (and would get allies on board), and wipe the Taliban out once and for all. The free countries of the world should not allow genocide to occur. Will you be encouraging your daughter to sign up and join the fight? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 (edited) On 8/13/2021 at 10:20 AM, oldmanfan said: Afghanistan has not been figured out by any country including the U.S., and in the U.S. multiple administrations have not been able to come up with a coherent strategy. I am an admitted war hawk; I believe our military is to be used for the defense of our country and to defend the values our country stands for. Thus, as the Taliban represents a real and present danger to the people of Afghanistan, with genocide of men, women, and children, I would go in with a huge, overwhelming force (and would get allies on board), and wipe the Taliban out once and for all. The free countries of the world should not allow genocide to occur. Soviet Union and US have been failing at this since the 70s. Even if you chase all the Islamic warlords into their holes, no body is able to prop up a stable government the keep it that way. I have no interest in sending more of our kids to die there. Edited August 16, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Governor Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Biden easily could've reversed course on Trump's foolish Doha agreement but didn't for political purposes. The buck stops with him. Biden knows that 2 years from now no one is going to care about any of this. Sure, it was stupid plan by Trump, a poison pill, but it still had to be done, and the majority of voters support the decision. Independents are pretty happy right now. Trump set the timeline to when he’d already be gone. That’s a total wuss move. Biden stepped up and got it done anyway and knew it had to be done early in his term, or not at all, politically. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Governor said: Biden knows that 2 years from now no one is going to care about any of this. Sure, it was stupid plan by Trump, a poison pill, but it still had to be done, and the majority of voters support the decision. Independents are pretty happy right now. Trump set the timeline to when he’d already be gone. That’s a total wuss move. Biden stepped up and got it done anyway and knew it had to be done early in his term, or not at all, politically. Biden announced this for one reason and one reason only. Fanfare. Why do you think he chose the 20th anniversary of 9/11? He thought it would be simple. And now it’s a cluster*****. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Governor said: Biden knows that 2 years from now no one is going to care about any of this. Sure, it was stupid plan by Trump, a poison pill, but it still had to be done, and the majority of voters support the decision. Independents are pretty happy right now. Trump set the timeline to when he’d already be gone. That’s a total wuss move. Biden stepped up and got it done anyway and knew it had to be done early in his term, or not at all, politically. Of course a majority of voters supported the decision. It was the right decision. Now execution… that’s another story. I highly doubt, despite your clear desperation, that “independents are pretty happy right now”. Nobody, except blue wave emoji Dems, are happy to find out that our President is an abject disaster, who messed up the withdrawal beyond comprehension and then pulled a disappearing act. Edited August 16, 2021 by SCBills 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 (edited) Remember the timeline. I’ll add the politics to it. Bush starts war in Afghanistan. Bush then gets bored with war in Afghanistan because there’s no clear enemy and no clear leader of the enemy. Bush then attacks Iraq. Obama runs on leaving Iraq. Obama then uses Afghanistan as the reason for leaving Iraq. Obama leaves Iraq. Trump runs on leaving Afghanistan. Trump doesn’t follow through and kicks the can down the road with one foot out the door to the next president. Biden mans up and leaves Afghanistan and takes the political hit. I don’t care what the fallout is. It had to happen and I congratulate Joe. Now, if we sent 100k troops back there to try to fix it and they’re still there 2 years from now, I’ll gladly join you in your witch-hunt, but that hasn’t happened yet. Edited August 16, 2021 by Governor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffarukus Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Soviet Union and US have been failing at this since the 70s. Even if you chase all the Islamic warlords into their holes, no body is able to prop up a stable government the keep it that way. I have no interest in sending more of our kids to die there. i agree but at this point i see our enemies using this as a way to supply a enemy for a proxy war. im sure china has already sent supplies. let them grow or entangle our military now and keep spending to oblivion. good thing we did not foolishly spend money on people sitting on their a$$ or bicker about pronouns so we are prepared to defend ourselves against threats that wish nothing more then to obliterate us. good thing we have strict control over our borders. this is getting serious quickly and leadership is nowhere to be found. our allies better not think we can be the worlds police this time. Edited August 16, 2021 by Buffarukus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 13 minutes ago, Buffarukus said: i agree but at this point i see our enemies using this as a way to supply a enemy for a proxy war. im sure china has already started sending supplies, prob through amazon. let them grow or entangle our military now and keep spending to oblivion. good thing we did not foolishly spend money on people sitting on their a$$ or bicker about pronouns so we are prepared to defend ourselves against threats that wish nothing more then to obliterate us. China isn’t stupid. They won’t get involved in the politics of these nations because they don’t care about civil rights or anything else really. They want to build infrastructure for these countries, mine their minerals, and set up routes to move their products through. They won’t fire a single bullet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffarukus Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Governor said: China isn’t stupid. They won’t get involved in the politics of these nations because they don’t care about civil rights or anything else really. They want to build infrastructure for these countries, mine their minerals, and set up routes to move their products through. They won’t fire a single bullet. no kidding thats why they send it to them. they jave already made nuclear threats and have been agressive in military exercises in the south china sea. its called a proxy war for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, SCBills said: Biden is nowhere to be seen, so multiple media outlets started emailing Jen Psaki…. ….only to be met with an out of office reply until the 22nd. Im pretty sure this Administration is just trolling us now. I’m confused as to where you think he’s supposed to be. Is he supposed to be wearing his aviators flying a chopper rescuing people? What is this narrative you’re chasing? I haven’t watched any news so you will have to fill me in. Edited August 16, 2021 by Governor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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