Afghanistan

[dpberr]

1 hour ago, keepthefaith said:

 

#2 is wrong.  We have been training Afghan pilots and maintenance people for at least 10 years and possibly closer to 15 years.  We spent $Billions on aircraft, parts, facilities and training.  Much of this done by Northrup Grumman and very qualified contractors. 

 

No I'm not.  We are both...correct.  See below.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/19/world/asia/Afghanistan-withdrawal-contractors.html

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/08/16/afghanistan-military-collapse-private-contractors/

[B-Man]

1 hour ago, Governor said:

This is what I don’t get. The GOP was on record saying that they didn’t want to bring these people home 2 weeks ago, and now they’re pretending to be outraged right now.

 

They aren’t fooling anyone.

 

 

Link ?

[B-Man]

 

 

Here’s an amazing shot from inside one of those C-17s evacuating people from Afghanistan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Niagara Bill]

45 minutes ago, Just in Atlanta said:

Not sure I would remotely call this a “domestic fight“.

 

The attacks of 9/11 were largely coordinated from Afghanistan. The Taliban housed and abetted the terrorists who planned these attacks. The invasion of Afghanistan was logical and in our best interest.

 

Having said that, it’s shocking that in 20 years we haven’t taught these people to defend themselves and that they rolled over so easily, giving up their freedoms, dignity and a chance of a future. 
 

Perhaps the next time we choose to invade a country in our self interest, we take it over. Nation building does not appear to work.
 

 

People were trained as it was a way of making a living not to defend their country. Just a big social program and all the military leaders in the US, all the big time military contractors...the biggest social program in America, had a gravy train. 

Terrorists hid in Afghanistan but were not necessarily Afghanies. Just an excuse for military socialism, not nation building. 

And why would anyone want to take over this dust bowl...and why was it a good place for military contractors to get rich....because it is a big dust bowl and nobody in the world cares, not Europe, not the UN, not China, no one. 

[Chef Jim]

22 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Here’s an amazing shot from inside one of those C-17s evacuating people from Afghanistan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where are they taking them?

[TSOL]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

Where are they taking them?

 

 

Probably to work at Amazon 

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, TSOL said:

 

 

Probably to work at Amazon 

No seriously. I would like to know where all these refuges are heading. 

[The Frankish Reich]

2 hours ago, Frat-Train said:

I’m as big a Trump hater as anyone, but you can’t be serious here…. Trump, for all his flaws, would have evacuated people before military and I doubt it would ever have gotten to that.  Trump is many, MANY things.  But his foreign policies and how he handled the Taliban, was some of his best work.  I think we all need to step away from our parties and call this what it is…. A failure of the most deadly proportions, and our President, VP, and their ENTIRE administration including our military leaders, are all 100% at fault, not Trump.

And we know Trump "would have evacuated people" (what people? you mean refugees? he's the guy who lowered the refugee admissions cap to the lowest levels ever!) because .... ???

If Trump wanted to do this, surely he would've started in December and January, ahead of handing over (well, being forced to hand over) the keys to the oval office.

I am not defending Biden. This is a debacle. But my disagreement is a principled one - I believe it was a disastrous decision to withdraw from Afghanistan completely. All this "but we needed to do it the right way" crap is hair-splitting nonsense. 

Biden followed through on Trump's plan. Period. If you liked Trump's policy re: Afghanistan, well, this is it in action.

[TSOL]

4 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

No seriously. I would like to know where all these refuges are heading. 

 

 

I bet they take them to the US, we take in refugees. Especially in catastrophic humanitarian stuff like this. 

 

And, while I was half joking, I was also half serious because I bet they will be offered jobs... 

[Governor]

Maybe I was wrong by saying this wouldn’t be a defining point of Biden’s presidency.

 

That dude stepped up to the mic and said….I own the blowback from this and I’m doing it anyway because it’s the right thing to do.

 

That speech was for the record books.

 

Biden just had his Reverend Wright moment and his numbers are going to shoot upward in the coming months.

 

I didn’t think he had it in him but this administration has surprised me multiple times now.

Edited August 17, 2021 by Governor

[Doc Brown]

4 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

And we know Trump "would have evacuated people" (what people? you mean refugees? he's the guy who lowered the refugee admissions cap to the lowest levels ever!) because .... ???

If Trump wanted to do this, surely he would've started in December and January, ahead of handing over (well, being forced to hand over) the keys to the oval office.

I am not defending Biden. This is a debacle. But my disagreement is a principled one - I believe it was a disastrous decision to withdraw from Afghanistan completely. All this "but we needed to do it the right way" crap is hair-splitting nonsense. 

Biden followed through on Trump's plan. Period. If you liked Trump's policy re: Afghanistan, well, this is it in action.

The isolationist/nationalistic views (especially when it came to trade) is one of the many reasons why I never cared for Trump.  Biden knows this was the wrong thing to do and he cowardly went through with it anyways for political purposes.

[Irv]

1 hour ago, Governor said:

But he didn’t do that because he didn’t want to pay the political price before an election, then pushed it to the next president, and even went as far as setting land mines for that new president, for him and others including Pompeo.

 

Voters can see all of this.

OK. This is laughable. We can agree that no political party wanted to be in that hell hole anymore.  ButnDemented Biden’s strategy is such a mess.  Incompetence.  What a mess.  

39 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Here’s an amazing shot from inside one of those C-17s evacuating people from Afghanistan

 

 

 

What a Biden Mess

 

 

 

 

 

[Governor]

1 minute ago, Irv said:

OK. This is laughable. We can agree that no political party wanted to be in that hell hole anymore.  ButnDemented Biden’s strategy is such a mess.  Incompetence.  What a mess.  

When the dust clears you’ll realize that you’re mistaken.

[reddogblitz]

17 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Yes I would.

 

Good for you. You are a true believer. When you post about your daughter I get the impression you love her dearly.  She is prime fighting age. Women can now be in combat. Who can forget the female soldier in Iraq whose convoy got lost and attacked by Iraqis?   So if you think its worth sacrificing her life for this more power to you.

 

I also have a daughter that I love dearly and I would NEVER encourage her to go fight in the boondoggle you propose.  To each his own.

[Irv]

4 minutes ago, Governor said:

When the dust clears you’ll realize that you’re mistaken.

We agree on a couple of things. But can you at least admit that whoever wanted to avoid the strategy to exit that the current administration is in charge???  And Biden screwed the pooch.  It’s HIS strategy that failed.  Fact.  
 

 

Edited August 17, 2021 by Irv

[OrangeBills]

4 hours ago, Governor said:

But if we get most of these people out, no one is going to remember a minor blip. 
 

When I left the house, it was a bunch of Afghans on their phones waiting for the next plane to come.

 

I think you might be sensationalizing this to some degree.

 

I'm sorry.   You're just dumb here.   Just dumb.  Wake up.  These people are all going to die, horribly.   

[Irv]

3 minutes ago, Governor said:

When the dust clears you’ll realize that you’re mistaken.

Maybe all the dead will be easier to see when the dust clears. You’re nuts. 

[Governor]

1 minute ago, OrangeBills said:

 

I'm sorry.   You're just dumb here.   Just dumb.  Wake up.  These people are all going to die, horribly.   

Doesn’t appear to be happening. I know that saddens you.

[TSOL]

Biden was always going to be a sacrificial lamb and he knew it going in. The world is getting astronomically more complicated by the moment and our country has alot of loose ends hanging out there. 

 

He knew he was getting hired to... Fall on his sword. He's just too old and sleepy to worry about it. 

[Governor]

3 minutes ago, TSOL said:

Biden was always going to be a sacrificial lamb and he knew it going in. The world is getting astronomically more complicated by the moment and our country has alot of loose ends hanging out there. 

 

He knew he was getting hired to... Fall on his sword. He's just too old and sleepy to worry about it. 

I realize that’s hyperbole but you might end up being slightly right. The way he’s been performing I see no reason why he wouldn’t run again. It’s too early to tell.

 

Who is going to beat him?

Edited August 17, 2021 by Governor

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, TSOL said:

Biden was always going to be a sacrificial lamb and he knew it going in. The world is getting astronomically more complicated by the moment and our country has alot of loose ends hanging out there. 

 

He knew he was getting hired to... Fall on his sword. He's just too old and sleepy to worry about it. 

Our hero!!!

 

Was leaving our own Americans behind Taliban lines, along with tens of thousands of US-linked Afghani’s (and their families) to be marked for death all part of Biden’s great noble sacrifice?

[Irv]

7 minutes ago, TSOL said:

Biden was always going to be a sacrificial lamb and he knew it going in. The world is getting astronomically more complicated by the moment and our country has alot of loose ends hanging out there. 

 

He knew he was getting hired to... Fall on his sword. He's just too old and sleepy to worry about it. 

Biden is demented and incompetent and causing American deaths.    It’s time to end this.  25th amendment.  Then we will have a bigger mess with Idiot Harris.  Maybe not.   I’d take maniac Bernie or dimwit Hillary at this point. What a mess.  This has got to end.  I’d even take Dummy Pelosi.  How long before we are invaded?  What a mess.  

Edited August 17, 2021 by Irv

[TSOL]

3 minutes ago, Governor said:

I realize that’s hyperbole but you might end up being slightly right. The way he’s been performing I see no reason why he wouldn’t run again. It’s too early to tell.

 

Who is going to beat him?

 

 

Who is going to beat him? The political climate in America is volatile, most of it beyond the president's control. The world is a mess between climate change, virus, foreign relations, economy, debt, it's not who is going to beat him, it's who is willing to stand in front of the fan while the world dumps sh*t into it. 

6 minutes ago, Irv said:

Biden is demented and incompetent and causing American deaths.    It’s time to end this.  25th amendment.  Then we will have a bigger mess with Idiot Harris.  Maybe not.   I’d take maniac Bernie or dimwit Hillary at this point. What a mess.  This has got to end.  I’d even take Dummy Pelosi.  How long before we are invaded?  What a mess.  

 

 

Irv, I used to like you but you thumbs downed me so screw you, you're off the rails with this post. 

[Governor]

3 minutes ago, TSOL said:

 

 

Who is going to beat him? The political climate in America is volatile, most of it beyond the president's control. The world is a mess between climate change, virus, foreign relations, economy, debt, it's not who is going to beat him, it's who is willing to stand in front of the fan while the world dumps sh*t into it. 

 

 

Irv, I used to like you but you thumbs downed me so screw you, you're off the rails with this post. 

So, who is it then? I missed a name in our comment.

[TSOL]

Just now, Governor said:

So, who is it then? I missed a name in our comment.

 

 

Mr potato head 

 

No one is gonna beat him because he's not going to run again

Edited August 17, 2021 by TSOL

[Governor]

1 minute ago, TSOL said:

 

 

Mr potato head 

Tim Scott is your answer?

[Irv]

2 minutes ago, TSOL said:

 

 

Who is going to beat him? The political climate in America is volatile, most of it beyond the president's control. The world is a mess between climate change, virus, foreign relations, economy, debt, it's not who is going to beat him, it's who is willing to stand in front of the fan while the world dumps sh*t into it. 

 

 

Irv, I used to like you but you thumbs downed me so screw you, you're off the rails with this post. 

Agree with old and sleepy. Don’t agree with him knowing what he was getting into.  He obviously did not know what he was getting into or he would have not let our people die.  This is inexcusable incompetence.  He should be impeached.  Won’t back off on that.  Sorry

[Chef Jim]

25 minutes ago, Governor said:

When the dust clears you’ll realize that you’re mistaken.

So you’re in record saying you’re quite content with whatever happens to Afghani the women and children?  

[TSOL]

2 minutes ago, Irv said:

Agree with old and sleepy. Don’t agree with him knowing what he was getting into.  He obviously did not know what he was getting into or he would have not let our people die.  This is inexcusable incompetence.  He should be impeached.  Won’t back off on that.  Sorry

 

 

The DNC and sleepy Joe knew full well he was being thrown out to the wolves. He was told to do his duty for his country and he is fulfilling his obligation after a cushy lifetime of civil l service. 

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, TSOL said:

 

 

The DNC and sleepy Joe knew full well he was being thrown out to the wolves. He was told to do his duty for his country and he is fulfilling his obligation after a cushy lifetime of civil l service. 

Do you believe we could have withdrawn without unprecedented chaos and embarrassment on the global stage?

 

This wasn’t nobility, it was incompetence.  

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

So you’re in record saying you’re quite content with whatever happens to Afghani the women and children?  

 Really feel for the women and children  . That's is scary part of all this. Plus possibly USA weapons and stuff (if left behind many stuff) 

 

Heard many bad prison's released. 

Edited August 17, 2021 by Buffalo Bills Fan

[TSOL]

Just now, SCBills said:

Do you believe we could have withdrawn without unprecedented chaos and embarrassment on the global stage?

 

This wasn’t nobility, it was incompetence.  

 

 

It's like a band aid, you have to rip it off. You don't cautiously and slowly pull off a band aid. It had to happen. 

 

They could have coordinated it slightly better I suppose but is the micro managing the president's responsibility? That probably should be, and was, left to the generals. 

[Irv]

7 minutes ago, TSOL said:

 

 

The DNC and sleepy Joe knew full well he was being thrown out to the wolves. He was told to do his duty for his country and he is fulfilling his obligation after a cushy lifetime of civil l service. 

No. This is crap.  Lives are being lost. Women  are being raped.  Inexcusable.  
 

 

Edited August 17, 2021 by Irv

[TSOL]

2 minutes ago, Irv said:

No. This is crap.  Lives are being lost. Inexcusable.  

 

 

Like a band aid. Rip it off. 

 

Like I said, Biden is the sacrificial lamb. 

[OrangeBills]

30 minutes ago, Governor said:

Doesn’t appear to be happening. I know that saddens you.

 

I am sorry, I think you're just dumb.  More people (3) died sliding off a single airplane today in 3 mins trying desperately to escape the tortuous death they know they would face than died at Jan 6 but you just can't accept this dire situation, because you're so partisan.

 

500 orphans at the border turned into 25,000 orphans, but you don't care, simple as that.

 

You don't care. 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, OrangeBills said:

 

I am sorry, I think you're just dumb.  More people (3) died sliding off a single airplane today in 3 mins trying desperately to escape the tortuous death they know they would face than died at Jan 6 but you just can't accept this dire situation, because you're so partisan.

 

500 orphans at the border turned into 25,000 orphans, but you don't care, simple as that.

 

You don't care. 

 

He doesn't. Black lives, other people lives even other county lives matter. 

 

They like to use only one thing (black lives) and don't care the rest of people lives. They all freaking matter. Esp women, children. They all freaking MATTER!

[SCBills]

6 minutes ago, TSOL said:

 

 

It's like a band aid, you have to rip it off. You don't cautiously and slowly pull off a band aid. It had to happen. 

 

They could have coordinated it slightly better I suppose but is the micro managing the president's responsibility? That probably should be, and was, left to the generals. 

“slightly better”…. Lol. 
 

I went to get a Slurpee from 7-11 and ended massacring everyone in the store.. I suppose I could’ve handled that slightly better. 
 

By most accounts, Biden did not listen to the Generals. 

[TSOL]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

“slightly better”…. Lol. 
 

I went to get a Slurpee from 7-11 and ended massacring everyone in the store.. I suppose I could’ve handled that slightly better. 
 

By most accounts, Biden did not listen to the Generals. 

 

Yes, let's have the president of the united states of America coordinating the flights out of Kandahar

[Governor]

14 minutes ago, OrangeBills said:

 

I am sorry, I think you're just dumb.  More people (3) died sliding off a single airplane today in 3 mins trying desperately to escape the tortuous death they know they would face than died at Jan 6 but you just can't accept this dire situation, because you're so partisan.

 

500 orphans at the border turned into 25,000 orphans, but you don't care, simple as that.

 

You don't care. 

After a 20 year long war, I’m supposed to be concerned a a few casualties? Is this the new Benghazi? I’m supposed to all of a sudden be alarmed about women’s rights in Afghanistan when it’s ten times worse in Saudi Arabia?
 

There’s deaths squads that walk down the street in Saudi Arabia and round up gay people and slaughter them.

 

What is it exactly that I’m supposed to be outraged about?

Edited August 17, 2021 by Governor

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Governor said:

After a 20 year long war, I’m supposed to be concerned a a few casualties? Is this the new Benghazi? I’m supposed to all of a sudden be alarmed about women’s rights in Afghanistan when it’s ten times worse in Saudi Arabia?
 

There’s deaths squads that walk down the street in Saudi Arabia and round up gay people and slaughter them.

 

What is it exactly that I’m supposed to be outraged about?

 

So are you against gay people now? I thought here in USA they matter. No place else? They ALL freaking MATTER! Not just USA!