NewEra Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 1 year 4M i figured he’d be a Raven or Chief. Huge addition for Baltimore imo. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 Smart low attention additions of key parts like that can make your season. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 Just so glad we addressed this in our draft.....we know exactly who our pass rusher's are going to be for the forseeable future......all on cost controlled contracts. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 Get younger not older on DL. I like the mix of youth and experience that Beane has put together. Didn't like most of the moves last year including Epenesa pick. But having him drop weight and then adding two young pass rushers should be a big improvement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 I know it's not true but I feel he's been in the league since the 90s. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Just so glad we addressed this in our draft.....we know exactly who our pass rusher's are going to be for the forseeable future......all on cost controlled contracts. 🤞 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted July 31, 2021 Author Share Posted July 31, 2021 7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Just so glad we addressed this in our draft.....we know exactly who our pass rusher's are going to be for the forseeable future......all on cost controlled contracts. I’m glad we addressed it. Now we just have to hope they can produce. It’s a Lombardi or bust season and we only have one edge rusher that was decent in the NFL last season (Hughes). Obada did his work inside. Addison was awful imo. Epenesa looked good vs Bobby Hart today, but so did I. We need Rousseau and/or Basham to be positive pass rushers this season. Houston has been a beast in the nfl for over a decade and was very good last season as well. 1 year- 4M. I’d take him over Addison every day of the week 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 Too bad he didn't sign with the Texans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 1 hour ago, NewEra said: 1 year 4M i figured he’d be a Raven or Chief. Huge addition for Baltimore imo. Maybe if this was 2014… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co_springs_billsfan Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 Is this the final domino to fall for Ertz be traded to Bills? 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 6 minutes ago, NewEra said: I’m glad we addressed it. Now we just have to hope they can produce. It’s a Lombardi or bust season and we only have one edge rusher that was decent in the NFL last season (Hughes). Obada did his work inside. Addison was awful imo. Epenesa looked good vs Bobby Hart today, but so did I. We need Rousseau and/or Basham to be positive pass rushers this season. Houston has been a beast in the nfl for over a decade and was very good last season as well. 1 year- 4M. I’d take him over Addison every day of the week Maybe the process is going to pay off big this year? Our entire defense HAS to be better if we are to beat KC (& Tampa). I mean, we had a real gotta go back to the drawing board moment vs. KC. Fans were not stupid calling for Leslie's head. If it ain't Leslie maybe it is the talent? We have 12 DL that could conceivably make our roster but how many will disrupt KC's plans? We had the fantastic 2017 draft, we got JA, We did excellent getting Poyer & Hyde, we did well in free agency overall, but it is the draft after 2017 not counting Allen that are the questions. Or, another way of looking at it is the problem is the defense (which was largely drafted). Tremaine, Ed, AJ, Groot And Boogie will determine if the Bills are a Super Team or not. They can play so-so all year and the O and STs will keep them winnng but in the playoffs you need balance and you need defense. (I think Tremaine is a big key. He has the talent to really be a great player. He needs the drive, he has got to recognize the plays, no where everyone is going, step into those passing lanes and get his hands on some balls. He should be a zone nightmare for QBs but he is not.) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 48 minutes ago, dpberr said: I know it's not true but I feel he's been in the league since the 90s. Pretty sure he was a 2nd rder the Marcel year. Man what an amazing draft class, and we managed to be one of the few teams to walk out without a stud. Thank God those years are gone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted July 31, 2021 Author Share Posted July 31, 2021 21 minutes ago, JohnNord said: Maybe if this was 2014… Think whatever you like. He is an effective pass rusher, smart football player qnd good locker room presence that could’ve helped our young kids. He would’ve led our team in sacks the last 4 years. He’s twice the player Addison is Last 4 years - 9.5 sacks 9.0 sacks 11 sacks 8 sacks 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 45 minutes ago, NewEra said: I’m glad we addressed it. Now we just have to hope they can produce. It’s a Lombardi or bust season and we only have one edge rusher that was decent in the NFL last season (Hughes). Obada did his work inside. Addison was awful imo. Epenesa looked good vs Bobby Hart today, but so did I. We need Rousseau and/or Basham to be positive pass rushers this season. Houston has been a beast in the nfl for over a decade and was very good last season as well. 1 year- 4M. I’d take him over Addison every day of the week There is a chance Addison doesnt even make this team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 58 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Just so glad we addressed this in our draft.....we know exactly who our pass rusher's are going to be for the forseeable future......all on cost controlled contracts. No question we had to get younger and cheaper on the DLine. Now, if only we can get a couple to really pan out as studs we will be in great shape. Experienced DE’s in free agency get those pricey premium contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 7 minutes ago, NewEra said: Think whatever you like. He is an effective pass rusher, smart football player qnd good locker room presence that could’ve helped our young kids. He would’ve led our team in sacks the last 4 years. He’s twice the player Addison is Last 4 years - 9.5 sacks 9.0 sacks 11 sacks 8 sacks Addison has more sacks over the last 5 years than Houston, just saying. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 52 minutes ago, NewEra said: I’m glad we addressed it. Now we just have to hope they can produce. It’s a Lombardi or bust season and we only have one edge rusher that was decent in the NFL last season (Hughes). Obada did his work inside. Addison was awful imo. Epenesa looked good vs Bobby Hart today, but so did I. We need Rousseau and/or Basham to be positive pass rushers this season. Houston has been a beast in the nfl for over a decade and was very good last season as well. 1 year- 4M. I’d take him over Addison every day of the week I'd LOVE to see Bobby Hart run over you a hundred times since you claim you looked good vs him. 3 minutes ago, SWATeam said: Addison has more sacks over the last 5 years than Houston, just saying. Don't confuse irrational ranters with facts. They mentally end up in same state as @NewEra facing off with Bobby Hart 100 times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 55 minutes ago, NewEra said: I’m glad we addressed it. Now we just have to hope they can produce. It’s a Lombardi or bust season and we only have one edge rusher that was decent in the NFL last season (Hughes). Obada did his work inside. Addison was awful imo. Epenesa looked good vs Bobby Hart today, but so did I. We need Rousseau and/or Basham to be positive pass rushers this season. Houston has been a beast in the nfl for over a decade and was very good last season as well. 1 year- 4M. I’d take him over Addison every day of the week Bobby Hart will be waived in 3..2..1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 He’s still very productive at age 32. This is a great signing for them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 Similarly, while not a pass rusher like Houston, actually a little surprised KJ Wright is still a FA. Our depth is decent at LB, but the guy seems to make plays every Hawks game I watch. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted July 31, 2021 Author Share Posted July 31, 2021 Just now, John from Riverside said: There is a chance Addison doesnt even make this team I hope we do cut him……but as I’ve said in the past, it’s my belief that’s Beane and Addison (or his agent) came to an agreement that he’d take less money as long as he had a roster spot. If they do cut Addison, even more reason to have signed Houston. One year…..that’s all we need him for. Paying a consistent 9 sack DE 4M for one year…..a year in which its Lombardi or bust, is a a low risk high reward move. It’s a move that championship teams make imo. Some acquisitions are made to help win for one season. Considering how good our team is, I’m kind of surprised that we didn’t make more moves that focus on winning this season. i saw big holes and expected solid additions at DE, CB, TE, DT, OG. DE was addressed. Obada, Rousseau and Basham (plus the development of Epenesa) works for me but not one of them have proven to be effective pass rushers in the nfl. I was hoping that we’d release Addison and replace him with a one year proven vet to give us someone proven. CB was addressed with a 6th rd pick counting on the development of last years 7th rd pick and incumbent starter. No free agents of value (unless you consider Wallace’s 1..75M contract). Aj Bouye signed 2 yr 7M with 1M dead cap of cut after the season. King, Rhodes, breeland, nelson, Hayward, Troy hill, Malcom butler, Witherspoon all signed from 2.5-5M. All can be one year deals with little dead cap. It’s a passing league and based on last season play, our cb2 is very underwhelming imo. 🙏🏻 That one of these guys steps up and becomes a good #2. TE- it was a decent free agent TE class. Some were too expensive but some affordable: Jared cook 4M, everett 6M, Rudolph 6M. Solid one year additions to help us win the SB this year. We went after Gronk, so they were interested in upgrading the position. I really like the hollister addition. It made a lot of sense considering they didn’t want to spend $ or draft picks on one. DT- we did nothing except have Star return and have butler take a small pay cut. Rankins, Jarran Reed, daquan Jones, Malik jackson, Sheldon Richardson, Dj Jones maybe Jonathan Hankins all signed for 3.5 to 6M on essentially one year contracts. Let’s hope that Ed improves and plays 75% of the snaps, phillips is better than ever and Star can make a difference. OG- McB liked what they had last year and decided that continuity on the OL is our best bet. I’m fine with it as long as we can protect Josh and actually open holes in the run game for our pedestrian RBs. If our run game doesn’t improve, I think our pass game is vulnerable vs the elite DCs and defenses. I’m happy with our offseason because I trust McB, but i also realize that they have made mistakes in the past and may have been better off doing things a little different. I think we may have done enough in the personnel department to bring us our first title….. as long as our coaching has learned from their mistakes and continue to create new wrinkles to get us over the top 45 minutes ago, SWATeam said: Addison has more sacks over the last 5 years than Houston, just saying. Addison sucks. Houston does not. Just saying….. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 1 hour ago, NewEra said: Think whatever you like. He is an effective pass rusher, smart football player qnd good locker room presence that could’ve helped our young kids. He would’ve led our team in sacks the last 4 years. He’s twice the player Addison is Last 4 years - 9.5 sacks 9.0 sacks 11 sacks 8 sacks Doesn't have the Carolina connection which is paramount when dealing with older FA's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, NewEra said: I hope we do cut him……but as I’ve said in the past, it’s my belief that’s Beane and Addison (or his agent) came to an agreement that he’d take less money as long as he had a roster spot. If they do cut Addison, even more reason to have signed Houston. One year…..that’s all we need him for. Paying a consistent 9 sack DE 4M for one year…..a year in which its Lombardi or bust, is a a low risk high reward move. It’s a move that championship teams make imo. Some acquisitions are made to help win for one season. Considering how good our team is, I’m kind of surprised that we didn’t make more moves that focus on winning this season. i saw big holes and expected solid additions at DE, CB, TE, DT, OG. DE was addressed. Obada, Rousseau and Basham (plus the development of Epenesa) works for me but not one of them have proven to be effective pass rushers in the nfl. I was hoping that we’d release Addison and replace him with a one year proven vet to give us someone proven. CB was addressed with a 6th rd pick counting on the development of last years 7th rd pick and incumbent starter. No free agents of value (unless you consider Wallace’s 1..75M contract). Aj Bouye signed 2 yr 7M with 1M dead cap of cut after the season. King, Rhodes, breeland, nelson, Hayward, Troy hill, Malcom butler, Witherspoon all signed from 2.5-5M. All can be one year deals with little dead cap. It’s a passing league and based on last season play, our cb2 is very underwhelming imo. 🙏🏻 That one of these guys steps up and becomes a good #2. TE- it was a decent free agent TE class. Some were too expensive but some affordable: Jared cook 4M, everett 6M, Rudolph 6M. Solid one year additions to help us win the SB this year. We went after Gronk, so they were interested in upgrading the position. I really like the hollister addition. It made a lot of sense considering they didn’t want to spend $ or draft picks on one. DT- we did nothing except have Star return and have butler take a small pay cut. Rankins, Jarran Reed, daquan Jones, Malik jackson, Sheldon Richardson, Dj Jones maybe Jonathan Hankins all signed for 3.5 to 6M on essentially one year contracts. Let’s hope that Ed improves and plays 75% of the snaps, phillips is better than ever and Star can make a difference. OG- McB liked what they had last year and decided that continuity on the OL is our best bet. I’m fine with it as long as we can protect Josh and actually open holes in the run game for our pedestrian RBs. If our run game doesn’t improve, I think our pass game is vulnerable vs the elite DCs and defenses. I’m happy with our offseason because I trust McB, but i also realize that they have made mistakes in the past and may have been better off doing things a little different. I think we may have done enough in the personnel department to bring us our first title….. as long as our coaching has learned from their mistakes and continue to create new wrinkles to get us over the top Addison sucks. Houston does not. Just saying….. I've been banging the table for a quality upgrade at CB2 the last 2 seasons. I like Levi but he's nothing but depth on what we want to consider a championship aspiring team. We acquire a WR, TE and RB on what was an already Top 3 offense but go into the season with Wallace and Jackson competing for the #2 spot across Tre. Levi stated in a interview recently that he doesn't feel "overlooked' He's right! Opposing QBs are always looking in his direction.😒 Edited July 31, 2021 by billsbackto81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 Just now, billsbackto81 said: I've been banging the table for a quality upgrade at CB2. I like Levi but he's nothing but depth on what we want to consider a championship aspiring team. We acquire a WR, TE and RB on what was an already Top 3 offense but go into the season with Wallace and Jackson competing for the #2 spot across Tre. Levi stated in a interview recently that he doesn't feel "overlooked' He's right! Opposing QBs are always looking in his direction.😒 That often what happens when you have an All Pro corner on the other side. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weatherman Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 21 minutes ago, NewEra said: Yeah he does. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t make mistakes. How’s Addison turn out? How’d butler turn out? Why did we have the most expensive defensive line in the nfl last season and have a backup LB tie for the team lead in sacks? That’s called making mistakes. Sounds like you need to update your resume, champ. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 11 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: That often what happens when you have an All Pro corner on the other side. True, but I'm not asking for another All Pro. Here's a list of the 2021 FA CBs. How many would you take over Wallace? Personally, I see a lot. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/cornerback/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 Solid signing by the Ravens, Houston had 8 sacks last year and 11 the year before both on solid Indy defenses. He is 32 and that's not too old for a pass rusher either and has been fairly healthy the past two seasons. This isn't a dramatic shift but this is a player that can help them. May not move the needle too much but even 6 sacks is solid production for the money they gave him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 3 hours ago, co_springs_billsfan said: Is this the final domino to fall for Ertz be traded to Bills? did someone say Ertz? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: True, but I'm not asking for another All Pro. Here's a list of the 2021 FA CBs. How many would you take over Wallace? Personally, I see a lot. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/cornerback/ Honestly, not a ton for me…Wallace is good value at a spot that the FO seems content with. The pass defense has been a top unit since he came on board in 2018. His replacement in Jackson seems to be progressing nicely. CB2 is kind of a luxury position, I mean even when Seattle had the LOB going Byron Maxwell always got picked on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted July 31, 2021 Author Share Posted July 31, 2021 10 minutes ago, Weatherman said: Sounds like you need to update your resume, champ. another stellar post on your part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 14 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Honestly, not a ton for me…Wallace is good value at a spot that the FO seems content with. The pass defense has been a top unit since he came on board in 2018. His replacement in Jackson seems to be progressing nicely. CB2 is kind of a luxury position, I mean even when Seattle had the LOB going Byron Maxwell always got picked on. You make a valid point but I'm sure you would agree he is the weak link in the secondary. Also, if Tre went down how confident are you with Wallace and Jackson keeping the ship afloat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 huge miss by Bean, IMO. The strategy here is "hope." Houston is a proven pass rusher who has outperformed everyone on our roster the past couple of seasons. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 2 hours ago, NewEra said: Think whatever you like. He is an effective pass rusher, smart football player qnd good locker room presence that could’ve helped our young kids. He would’ve led our team in sacks the last 4 years. He’s twice the player Addison is Last 4 years - 9.5 sacks 9.0 sacks 11 sacks 8 sacks Mario Addison's last 4 years before he got to Buffalo: 9 sacks 9.5 sacks 11.0 sacks 9.5 sacks I'm not saying Addison is on the same level, but those stats might not be the best way to prove Houston is better. I'd be fine with Addison either staying or going (last year could be fluke, leadership), but at this point I'd prefer to see Hughes, Epenesa, Rousseau, Basham, Obada. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 4 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Just so glad we addressed this in our draft.....we know exactly who our pass rusher's are going to be for the forseeable future......all on cost controlled contracts. Are you being facetious? I can't tell. You do realize that not all draft picks become 'starters for the foreseeable future' ? Right? These guys were considered projects by the analysts and not particularly skilled as outside rushers. In fact both of them did a lot of their rush work from the inside. So if you're not being facetious, assuming these guys will be the answer on the outside for years to come is just ridiculous imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 3 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said: Pretty sure he was a 2nd rder the Marcel year. Man what an amazing draft class, and we managed to be one of the few teams to walk out without a stud. Thank God those years are gone JJ WATT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 32 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: You make a valid point but I'm sure you would agree he is the weak link in the secondary. Also, if Tre went down how confident are you with Wallace and Jackson keeping the ship afloat? For sure Wallace is the weak link but I don’t consider him a liability, necessarily. And I’m pretty sure they were actually both (White and Wallace) out for the Titans last year and we got scorched so I would not be confident at all 😂😂 But any team losing their CB1 is going to be almost impossible to overcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted July 31, 2021 Author Share Posted July 31, 2021 16 minutes ago, thurst44 said: Mario Addison's last 4 years before he got to Buffalo: 9 sacks 9.5 sacks 11.0 sacks 9.5 sacks I'm not saying Addison is on the same level, but those stats might not be the best way to prove Houston is better. I'd be fine with Addison either staying or going (last year could be fluke, leadership), but at this point I'd prefer to see Hughes, Epenesa, Rousseau, Basham, Obada. How would you like me to prove that he’s better? Bust out Adobe and edit film? People that know football know that Houston has always been a superior player to Addison. I don’t have to “prove” who is better. It’s known 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: How would you like me to prove that he’s better? Bust out Adobe and edit film? People that know football know that Houston has always been a superior player to Addison. I don’t have to “prove” who is better. It’s known You used stats to attempt to show Addison was better than Houston (there's no other way to read your post) and neglected to put Addison's next to them--maybe you knew they were similar, maybe you didn't. But don't lash out at me when I called you on it. I'd agree that Houston is the better player overall, and definitely so in his prime. At this point in their career, not quite as much. I'm not lobbying for either player on this team (as I said in my post). It's just that we have a tendency to go after whipping boys in a dishonest manner and it gets tiring eventually. Mario was mediocre last year. You're not going to get any argument from me, and I'm fine if they cut him. I don't want Houston at this point in his career either based on cost/benefit. Just don't use bogus "facts" that are easily countered as proof of how much better one player is than the other. If you want to go by stats from the last 4 years, as you did, well, then the 4 years of Addison before we signed him are close to the same as Houston--Addison had more sacks, Houston more tackles. I did not realize we were going by the measurable "People that know football know..." 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Turk71 said: Are you being facetious? I can't tell. You do realize that not all draft picks become 'starters for the foreseeable future' ? Right? These guys were considered projects by the analysts and not particularly skilled as outside rushers. In fact both of them did a lot of their rush work from the inside. So if you're not being facetious, assuming these guys will be the answer on the outside for years to come is just ridiculous imo. You’re right we should build a team around aging vets who are due to hit the wall any year now rather than injecting life into defense of line using the draft with high draft picks Edited July 31, 2021 by John from Riverside 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 1 hour ago, NewEra said: Yeah he does. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t make mistakes. How’s Addison turn out? How’d butler turn out? Why did we have the most expensive defensive line in the nfl last season and have a backup LB tie for the team lead in sacks? That’s called making mistakes. Oh, now I see... you're on a quest against Beane. You're not necessarily wrong about the DL, but maybe we should not completely judge based on the weirdest season in NFL history. I say this as someone who never liked the Butler signing particularly, was meh about Addison (seemed safe and consistent enough) and thought Jefferson was intriguing (he was the one who showed up least on rewatches. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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