eball Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 ...in their rankings of the top 50 players in football regardless of position. Pff is short for pffffffft. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Complete nonsense....you can never get enough bulletin board material. And last I checked QB is the most important position in all of sports. Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers & Allen should be top 4. Collinsworth's convoluted formulas are so adorable. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyal2dagame Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Yep. The guy that finished 2nd for MVP is #40 out of 50. That checks out.......🙄 6 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 At least they're on the list. It's hard to rank a top 50. It really depends what players at their positions are ranked higher. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, eball said: ...in their rankings of the top 50 players in football regardless of position. Pff is short for pffffffft. Just "click bait". Edited June 23, 2021 by cd1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 I love being the underdog! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyal2dagame Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: At least they're on the list. It's hard to rank a top 50. It really depends what players at their positions are ranked higher. Were the players ranked higher player of the week/ month multiple times in 2020? Impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 I saw yesterday that they have defensive lineman Cam Heyward listed higher than Josh Allen. Heyward is a very good player, no doubt about it. That said, he had 4 sacks and 7 TFLs in 2020. Any system that would rank Heyward higher than a QB (the most important position in the game) that scored 45 TDs and finished second in league MVP voting is clearly absurd. 19 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, loyal2dagame said: Were the players ranked higher player of the week/ month multiple times in 2020? Impossible. It can't be a straight 2020 performance ranking. Some injured players are ranked higher. It's just a top 50 overall, not 2020. Edited June 23, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 23, 2021 Author Share Posted June 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: It can't be a straight 2020 performance ranking. Some injured players are ranked higher. That is correct; the rankings are supposedly based upon how they expect the players to perform in the future. Of course, they're expecting Josh to regress. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, eball said: That is correct; the rankings are supposedly based upon how they expect the players to perform in the future. Of course, they're expecting Josh to regress. Most people here expect a regression. Not a huge one. They still have him top 7 for QB's. Edited June 23, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 i referenced this ranking in the Simms thread. AJ Brown 7 slots higher than Diggs is absurd. 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Never read their stuff, never will. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Just now, Stank_Nasty said: i referenced this ranking in the Simms thread. AJ Brown 7 slots higher than Diggs is absurd. AJ Brown is a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Very strange rankings... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: AJ Brown is a beast. Fair enough. He's not better than Diggs. And i'd bet money he wont be going forward. Diggs not only has the track record before 2020 but he just got done leading the NFL in in catches and yards while basically taking over 2 different playoff games. Its ridiculous to have Brown ranked ahead of him. Edited June 23, 2021 by Stank_Nasty 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Why do people still give them any attention. Smh 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 23, 2021 Author Share Posted June 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Most people here expect a regression. Not a huge one. They still have him top 7 for QB's. Most people will be wrong. His decision making, confidence, and leadership will only grow. PFF are still clinging to their (last) hope that Josh's 2020 was an anomaly. 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Just now, Stank_Nasty said: Fair enough. He's not better than Diggs. And i'd bet money he wont be going forward. Diggs not only has the track record but he just got done leading the NFL in in catches and yards while taking over 2 different playoff games. Its ridiculous to have Brown ranked ahead of him. Different offenses. Brown might be the best run after catch WR in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Heres some thoughts on Allens ranking. Starts at the 3:20 mark. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, eball said: Most people will be wrong. His decision making, confidence, and leadership will only grow. PFF are still clinging to their (last) hope that Josh's 2020 was an anomaly. Maybe. Regression from where he was isn't saying he's bad. He might be a a better more efficient QB but his numbers drop. Edited June 23, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 24 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: At least they're on the list. It's hard to rank a top 50. It really depends what players at their positions are ranked higher. In terms of ability to impact the game, it's hard to put any position above QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Different offenses. Brown might be the best run after catch WR in the NFL. This is literally the first time i've even heard anyone mention Brown in the same breath as Diggs.... not sure what your aim is here. do you honestly believe that ranking is justified? thats a really weak hill to die on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 23, 2021 Author Share Posted June 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Maybe. Regression from where he was isn't saying he's bad. He might be a a better more efficient QB but his numbers drop. Do you believe Josh reached his ceiling last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said: This is literally the first time i've even heard anyone mention Brown in the same breath as Diggs.... not sure what your aim is here. do you honestly believe that ranking is justified? thats a really weak hill to die on. I wouldn't rank Brown over Diggs. I don't care about opinions. Why do people get sensitive when their favorite players are ranked lower than they think? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I wouldn't rank Brown over Diggs. I don't care about opinions. Why do people get sensitive when their favorite players are ranked lower than they think? I could deal with mike thomas being ahead of him at #44. proven elite track record. But Brown? no way. and the fact that you even entertain it is absurd to me. It just looks like you have some sort of odd allegiance to PFF. thats the only way i could see anyone not just downright scoffing at that ranking over Diggs. Brown has absolutely no business being in that convo at this point. Edited June 23, 2021 by Stank_Nasty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, eball said: Do you believe Josh reached his ceiling last year? Allen can have a 5000 yard 50 TD season but I think he will be a consistent 4000 yard 30 TD QB. 1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said: I could deal with mike thomas being ahead of him. proven elite track record. Brown? no way. and the fact that you even entertain it its absurd to me. Brown has absolutely no business being in that convo at this point. Why not? Because Diggs gets more targets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 I never stopped hating their useless analysis and opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 23, 2021 Author Share Posted June 23, 2021 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: I think he will be a consistent 4000 yard 30 TD QB I'd say that means your answer to my question is yes since those numbers are significantly lower than what Allen did last season. "Ceiling" is a player's sustained best, not one crazy good year. Let's just say we disagree about what Josh's "average" year going forward will look like. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 (edited) 40 minutes ago, eball said: ...in their rankings of the top 50 players in football regardless of position. Pff is short for pffffffft. ... ...bring me the head of this fool so that I may urinate on it! or I just plain don't agree with them and leave it at that. One or the other is fine. #40 and #45...pfft, ridiculous is right. Edited June 23, 2021 by dollars 2 donuts 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Allen can have a 5000 yard 50 TD season but I think he will be a consistent 4000 yard 30 TD QB. Why not? Because Diggs gets more targets? Ok. I'm done with this. You are obviously just being difficult for the sake of it or have some sort of odd allegiance with PFF. Elite weapons usually get more looks. That how it works. Anyone even entertaining the idea that Brown is better than Diggs cant be taken seriously. Good talk. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 I honestly never got the memo that said we were supposed to even like let alone acknowledge PFF...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 pff knows Bills fans get their panties in a knot every time they write something and don't say Allen is the best so they do it on purpose because they know a bunch of idiots will rush over to be outraged. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 10 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: This is literally the first time i've even heard anyone mention Brown in the same breath as Diggs.... not sure what your aim is here. do you honestly believe that ranking is justified? thats a really weak hill to die on. I mean it's not as bad as their ranking for Allen. AJ Brown is a great WR, he's a better YAC and contested ball WR than Diggs. Diggs is more consistent and is more crafty getting open. Brown is a freak of nature athlete.. He doesn't get a ton of looks in that offense though for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 What's going to be interesting is as Josh gets older and his athletic abilities start to decline (as to when he's just a great athlete for the position and not a FREAK athlete), how his game evolves. He's worked a ton on being able to read defenses and become a smart passer, and an excellent leader, so I think it's quite possible that his stats never again approach 2020 levels (especially in rushing), but he continues to be a top 5 QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 So many hurt feelings. Why do you all keep going back to PFF for their nonsense when you know you’re just going to get upset? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 49 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: It can't be a straight 2020 performance ranking. Some injured players are ranked higher. It's just a top 50 overall, not 2020. Good point. The ratings would make sense if they’re factoring in things like consistency, longevity, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 40 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Most people here expect a regression. Not a huge one. They still have him top 7 for QB's. lol top 7 he was the best QB in the league last year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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