EDIT: Total cost to taxpayers? Bills select sports firm to represent ownership in building new open air stadium in OP, targeted for 2025

[DJB]

Dawson Knox hands terrifiy me

[Buffalo716]

Just read what website it's from 

 

It's a hack job with no merit

[LeGOATski]

22 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Just read what website it's from 

 

It's a hack job with no merit

Hack job websites seems to where most people are getting their "news" these days....SMH

 

AJ Epenesa is terrifying offensive tackles 

[Robert James]

3 hours ago, wppete said:

Another hit piece propaganda from a divisive far left website. Absolute BS. 

Anti American.

Definitely bad journalism.  And as is you note, it hits at the very heart of what it means to be American. 

 

I believe it was George Washington who said:  "Question not the lobbyists, nor those who do PR.  And if ever football shall become a thing, let each man pay his share.  Never shall the rich be made to compensate for that from which they profit."

[purple haze]

3 hours ago, Just Jack said:

 

I currently have decent club seats.  Seeing as I normally only make one or two games a year (the others I sell to family/friends, some on ticket exchange), depending on the new stadium pricing and location of seats I feel are affordable, I may just drop my seasons when it opens.  I'm right at that break point where I can afford them, but I should really use the money somewhere else.  

I can dig it.  A lot of people singing that same song.

[SCBills]

3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

We’ve entered bizzaro world! I cannot believe that on a Bills Message Board I’d find people who oppose any public financing of a new stadium. Those comments should come from the general public who will NOT be attending games. How can this be so confusing to so many of you? There’re no free lunches in life. People who plan on attending games should  want the cost spread over as many people as humanly possible! It’s not complicated.

Its honestly obnoxious to read.  
 

Maybe they should root for a minor league squad if they can’t handle the politics of an NFL team. 
 

Edited August 21, 2021 by SCBills

[Rochesterfan]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

 

In what way?

 

Basically - we don’t know what new advancements are coming - so can they build the field with the ability to handle future technology as things change.  The current stadium has been known to lack the ability to handle the full crew associated with prime time games because many of the cable pathways built into the cement could not be increased to handle more camera locations around the stadium.

 

We also saw huge leaps in lighting and scoreboard technology, but they have struggled to upgrade the facilities to handle the new upgraded technology.  They also struggle to get powerful wifi around the stadium due to the sheer amount of concrete and metal and those are just in recent years.  
 

we don’t know what tech is coming, but building a stadium with some built-in flexibility will help.  The old stadium was great for about 30+ years and the last 10-15 the lack of ability to upgrade even the showers and locker rooms in the opposing teams areas and the concourses to fit more choices have really hampered the overall experience.

 

 

 

[Doc]

10 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

Basically - we don’t know what new advancements are coming - so can they build the field with the ability to handle future technology as things change.  The current stadium has been known to lack the ability to handle the full crew associated with prime time games because many of the cable pathways built into the cement could not be increased to handle more camera locations around the stadium.

 

We also saw huge leaps in lighting and scoreboard technology, but they have struggled to upgrade the facilities to handle the new upgraded technology.  They also struggle to get powerful wifi around the stadium due to the sheer amount of concrete and metal and those are just in recent years.  
 

we don’t know what tech is coming, but building a stadium with some built-in flexibility will help.  The old stadium was great for about 30+ years and the last 10-15 the lack of ability to upgrade even the showers and locker rooms in the opposing teams areas and the concourses to fit more choices have really hampered the overall experience.

 

Fair enough.  But this will be the latest stadium built so it should have more future-forward tech than any other.

[Rochesterfan]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Fair enough.  But this will be the latest stadium built so it should have more future-forward tech than any other.

 

It might - or it might be fairly bare bones to save money.  It is going to depend upon where these negotiations go.  I would not expect it to be packed with tech and features that we see in many other newer stadiums like LV or LA or even Minnesota from a few years ago.
 

The choice of open air and OP both were made with cost in mind - so what other choices will be made with the bottom line driving the decision.

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

It might - or it might be fairly bare bones to save money.  It is going to depend upon where these negotiations go.  I would not expect it to be packed with tech and features that we see in many other newer stadiums like LV or LA or even Minnesota from a few years ago.
 

The choice of open air and OP both were made with cost in mind - so what other choices will be made with the bottom line driving the decision.

 

Such as? 

 

BTW, I toured Allegiant stadium about a month ago and their production room was a lot smaller and lower tech than I thought it would be.

[LeGOATski]

31 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Basically - we don’t know what new advancements are coming - so can they build the field with the ability to handle future technology as things change.  The current stadium has been known to lack the ability to handle the full crew associated with prime time games because many of the cable pathways built into the cement could not be increased to handle more camera locations around the stadium.

 

We also saw huge leaps in lighting and scoreboard technology, but they have struggled to upgrade the facilities to handle the new upgraded technology.  They also struggle to get powerful wifi around the stadium due to the sheer amount of concrete and metal and those are just in recent years.  
 

we don’t know what tech is coming, but building a stadium with some built-in flexibility will help.  The old stadium was great for about 30+ years and the last 10-15 the lack of ability to upgrade even the showers and locker rooms in the opposing teams areas and the concourses to fit more choices have really hampered the overall experience.

 

Hello, ETFE... https://www.archdaily.com/784723/etfe-the-rise-of-architectures-favorite-polymer

 

This thing is gonna look nice

[Punching Bag]

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This is terrifying people

 

I have been signed since Jerry Jones, the biggest proponent of mega stadiums in league. became involved.

[Punching Bag]

7 hours ago, ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin said:

 

Or having a building that is usable year round for other events may be an easier sell to the non football tax paying public

 

Of course convincing the non football tax paying public to pay MORE for "year round building" is even more difficult.

Some want platinum plated fixtures in bathrooms.

[Rochesterfan]

35 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Such as? 

 

BTW, I toured Allegiant stadium about a month ago and their production room was a lot smaller and lower tech than I thought it would be.

 

The gigantic screens all over the place for replays and HD and 4K capabilities.  Enhanced top end WiFi to be able to watch and stream things all over the stadium.

 

Advanced capabilities to order food and beverages to be delivered to seats based upon your mobile device and the enhanced number of vendors that they can pack into open areas because they are not open air.  
 

Huge advancements in cellular coverage and cellular capabilities to again help fans in-game experience as you watch or listen to your game or a myriad of other games.

 

The amount of tech crammed into these new stadiums is unbelievable and it is developed with an eye toward the future.  That is what I want to see out of the Bills designs.  
 

How are they going to handle the need for multiple levels of wide band tech to allow the newest wifi and cellular data to get everywhere and what kind of advances are they going to make for all types of in stadium experiences?

 

Then you have things like ingress and egress points and tickets and funneling fans around the stadium from all points to speed up entrance and exiting, getting to restrooms and vendors, and getting around the stadium to party with friends.

 

We will see how much they put into the initial bid and how much goes in by the end.
 

 

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

The gigantic screens all over the place for replays and HD and 4K capabilities.  Enhanced top end WiFi to be able to watch and stream things all over the stadium.

 

Advanced capabilities to order food and beverages to be delivered to seats based upon your mobile device and the enhanced number of vendors that they can pack into open areas because they are not open air.  
 

Huge advancements in cellular coverage and cellular capabilities to again help fans in-game experience as you watch or listen to your game or a myriad of other games.

 

The amount of tech crammed into these new stadiums is unbelievable and it is developed with an eye toward the future.  That is what I want to see out of the Bills designs.  
 

How are they going to handle the need for multiple levels of wide band tech to allow the newest wifi and cellular data to get everywhere and what kind of advances are they going to make for all types of in stadium experiences?

 

Then you have things like ingress and egress points and tickets and funneling fans around the stadium from all points to speed up entrance and exiting, getting to restrooms and vendors, and getting around the stadium to party with friends.

 

We will see how much they put into the initial bid and how much goes in by the end.

 

I have no doubt they'll do it right.  But time will tell.

[Rochesterfan]

49 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I have no doubt they'll do it right.  But time will tell.

 

We will see 7 of the last 10 stadiums built have been covered stadiums with tons of amenities.  The last 2 open air stadiums built - MetLife and Levi stadium both already have had complaints of being outdated feeling.
 

I think the Bills will struggle to create an updated and viable stadium that will be a lasting site because of cost.  I think it will be an upgrade over what we have, but I don’t anticipate cutting edge and much like the Sabres arena that was built new, but on a budget - it will not age as well as fans will like.

 

We already know that with sight lines at a premium and no roof - they are going to be limited in replay screens similar to now where to provide good screens - end zone seats will have to be removed.  They can’t hang them over the field with no support above.

 

It will all come down to design and I give them credit that they will do a good job, but my gut tells me it will feel more the the new Cleveland stadium than a new updated plan.

[purple haze]

10 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

It might - or it might be fairly bare bones to save money.  It is going to depend upon where these negotiations go.  I would not expect it to be packed with tech and features that we see in many other newer stadiums like LV or LA or even Minnesota from a few years ago.
 

The choice of open air and OP both were made with cost in mind - so what other choices will be made with the bottom line driving the decision.

1.4 billion is plenty of coin.  A cheaper option doesn’t mean devoid of bells and whistles.  I would bet the new joint will have many modern features inside and outside the place.

[OrtonHearsaWho]

16 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

The gigantic screens all over the place for replays and HD and 4K capabilities.  Enhanced top end WiFi to be able to watch and stream things all over the stadium.

 

Advanced capabilities to order food and beverages to be delivered to seats based upon your mobile device and the enhanced number of vendors that they can pack into open areas because they are not open air.  
 

Huge advancements in cellular coverage and cellular capabilities to again help fans in-game experience as you watch or listen to your game or a myriad of other games.

 

The amount of tech crammed into these new stadiums is unbelievable and it is developed with an eye toward the future.  That is what I want to see out of the Bills designs.  
 

How are they going to handle the need for multiple levels of wide band tech to allow the newest wifi and cellular data to get everywhere and what kind of advances are they going to make for all types of in stadium experiences?

 

Then you have things like ingress and egress points and tickets and funneling fans around the stadium from all points to speed up entrance and exiting, getting to restrooms and vendors, and getting around the stadium to party with friends.

 

We will see how much they put into the initial bid and how much goes in by the end.
 

 

 

Man did that make me feel old.  I know I'm not in the majority but I really couldn't care less about any of that...I just want to eat/drink in the lot before the game and then not be miserably cold/wet when I get in 😆

 

Ultimately I will be happy to get a new stadium no matter what it is but REALLY hope that it has a roof, mostly for the quality of the product on the field.

[BuffaloBills1998]

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2021/08/23/nfl-commissioner-roger-goodell-believes-buffalo-bills-stadium-get-done/amp/

[billsfan89]

The best solution is to have 50% of the stadium paid for by a bond that will get repaid by revenue sources from the stadium over a period of time. That will long term not cost the city anything as their amount will be repaid to them with interest within 10-15 years of the stadium being built. 
 

Economically stadiums are bad “investments” for cities. Fronting the money and getting it on the back end is the best for all parties involved.

[LeGOATski]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2021/08/23/nfl-commissioner-roger-goodell-believes-buffalo-bills-stadium-get-done/amp/

Thanks @Roger Goodell If you have any more detailed information to give us, it would be appreciated. 

[Warcodered]

 

[BuffaloBills1998]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/08/24/bills-local-politicians-finally-have-an-in-person-meeting/

 

 

https://theathletic.com/news/buffalo-bills-stadium-negotiations-could-progress-after-monday-meeting-sources/ls1qRmeAaszV?amp=1

Edited August 24, 2021 by BuffaloBills1998

[billsfan89]

I don’t think the Pegulas want to move the Bills however I do think that the current stadium and its economics don’t work for them either. I am not sure what the local economic and political environment in Buffalo is like to support a stadium but if the appetite just isn’t there for a deal it might get contentious.

[thenorthremembers]

2 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

I don’t think the Pegulas want to move the Bills however I do think that the current stadium and its economics don’t work for them either. I am not sure what the local economic and political environment in Buffalo is like to support a stadium but if the appetite just isn’t there for a deal it might get contentious.

The only thing I see getting contentious is the constant need by the public and media to talk about it non-stop until a deal is done.   Everything will be fine, and a deal will get done, but there is little doubt in my mind that there will be fear mongering run rampant.

[BuffaloBills1998]

49 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

I don’t think the Pegulas want to move the Bills however I do think that the current stadium and its economics don’t work for them either. I am not sure what the local economic and political environment in Buffalo is like to support a stadium but if the appetite just isn’t there for a deal it might get contentious.

A deal will get done, there’s an article I posted about the Erie state officials who met with the Pegulas on Monday and was reported that the meeting went well and and that there was progress. The Bills aren’t going anywhere and everyone knows it. It’s ***** instigators like Florio that like to cause ruckus and panic amongst the fans

[nucci]

27 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

A deal will get done, there’s an article I posted about the Erie state officials who met with the Pegulas on Monday and was reported that the meeting went well and and that there was progress. The Bills aren’t going anywhere and everyone knows it. It’s ***** instigators like Florio that like to cause ruckus and panic amongst the fans

fans do it to themselves also but you are correct

[Doc]

1 hour ago, billsfan89 said:

I don’t think the Pegulas want to move the Bills however I do think that the current stadium and its economics don’t work for them either. I am not sure what the local economic and political environment in Buffalo is like to support a stadium but if the appetite just isn’t there for a deal it might get contentious.

 

I haven't heard that the current stadium and its economics don't work for them.  The issue at heart is the stadium is old and needs to be replaced.  And while they don't want to move, they're not going to pay more than 1/4 for a new stadium they won't own and which likely won't bring a significant increase in local revenue over the old one.  The question is: how much savings is it worth to the local and political environment to lose the Pegulas, Bills and Sabres?

[BuffaloBills1998]

12 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I haven't heard that the current stadium and its economics don't work for them.  The issue at heart is the stadium is old and needs to be replaced.  And while they don't want to move, they're not going to pay more than 1/4 for a new stadium they won't own and which likely won't bring a significant increase in local revenue over the old one.  The question is: how much savings is it worth to the local and political environment to lose the Pegulas, Bills and Sabres?

Except all the county officials and politicians won’t let them leave. Not one politician who’s up for re-election wants the bills or Sabres relocating on their watch. Especially Hochoul, plus it would cost Terry more money to relocate both teams. Every taxpayer in Buffalo and the NY county knows they will be ponying up a pretty penny for this new stadium. But also The Pegulas will be paying a good portion as well. Like It was reported before, it’s going to be a public/private funded project.

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Except all the county officials and politicians won’t let them leave. Not one politician who’s up for re-election wants the bills or Sabres relocating on their watch. Especially Hochoul, plus it would cost Terry more money to relocate both teams. Every taxpayer in Buffalo and the NY county knows they will be ponying up a pretty penny for this new stadium. But also The Pegulas will be paying a good portion as well. Like It was reported before, it’s going to be a public/private funded project.

 

Yeah, I can't see them letting them leave either, re-election or not.  It would devastate the city.

[SCBills]

Driving home I was listening to Chris Russo on Mad Dog Radio, and he said Goodell told him the Bills are staying in Buffalo.   
 

Sounds like Roger isn’t even attempting to equivocate on this.  Hopefully they just get it done sooner rather than later to save us all the unnecessary headache.  

[DrDawkinstein]

7 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Driving home I was listening to Chris Russo on Mad Dog Radio, and he said Goodell told him the Bills are staying in Buffalo.   
 

Sounds like Roger isn’t even attempting to equivocate on this.  Hopefully they just get it done sooner rather than later to save us all the unnecessary headache.  

 

Sounds like our headache is over. Team isnt going anywhere, confirmed over and over. Nothing left for us to worry about.

[TEC]

Ignoring the sensationalized PFT articles, this will all come down to how many hundreds of millions the Pegulas are asking for. 

I'd assume it is $750M+ on a ~$1B+ Stadium to go in line with Indianapolis and Las Vegas public funding. 

It's still a scam, and labeling it as a "public/private partnership" is a farse, but I don't expect NY officials and taxpayers to tell a billionaire to take a lap. 

[Mat68]

1 hour ago, TEC said:

Ignoring the sensationalized PFT articles, this will all come down to how many hundreds of millions the Pegulas are asking for. 

I'd assume it is $750M+ on a ~$1B+ Stadium to go in line with Indianapolis and Las Vegas public funding. 

It's still a scam, and labeling it as a "public/private partnership" is a farse, but I don't expect NY officials and taxpayers to tell a billionaire to take a lap. 

I think its almost done.  The hit pieces are coming out from people upset about how much its going to cost imo.  

[Punching Bag]

6 hours ago, nucci said:

fans do it to themselves also but you are correct

 

I wish I was good at photoshop and could put a jersey on this chicken.

 

[MAJBobby]

60,000 Seat Stadium per AP exclusive

 

Some Highlights:

"The new venue would not include a roof, but it would be designed so that a majority of the seats would be protected from the elements, the person said."

 

"The team initially considered a larger stadium with a price-tag of $1.6 billion before making a decision to shrink the project, the person said."

 

"As part of a PSE-funded study launched in 2018, the team conducted an extensive analysis focusing on three potential stadium sites in and around Buffalo before opting to propose building the facility on a team-controlled parking lot across the street from its current home."

 

"The two other locations considered were on the University at Buffalo campus north of the city, and a downtown site on the land where the abandoned Perry Projects sit empty. The projected cost of a downtown stadium came to $1.9 billion, not including necessary infrastructure upgrades, the person said."

 

 

Edited August 31, 2021 by MAJBobby

[May Day 10]

60K would make it the lowest capacity in the league.  Sounds like a bad idea.

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

60K would make it the lowest capacity in the league.  Sounds like a bad idea.

That is a perfect number for an outdoor stadium.  Add in the 60 suites as well

 

Would just be about 1500 less than Soldier Field, 3400 less than AZ.

 

That is a fine number 

Edited August 31, 2021 by MAJBobby

[haroldwaide]

60,000 seems way to low.  We sell that many season tickets...

[Virgil]

7 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

60,000 Seat Stadium per AP exclusive

 

Some Highlights:

"The new venue would not include a roof, but it would be designed so that a majority of the seats would be protected from the elements, the person said."

 

"The team initially considered a larger stadium with a price-tag of $1.6 billion before making a decision to shrink the project, the person said."

 

"As part of a PSE-funded study launched in 2018, the team conducted an extensive analysis focusing on three potential stadium sites in and around Buffalo before opting to propose building the facility on a team-controlled parking lot across the street from its current home."

 

"The two other locations considered were on the University at Buffalo campus north of the city, and a downtown site on the land where the abandoned Perry Projects sit empty. The projected cost of a downtown stadium came to $1.9 billion, not including necessary infrastructure upgrades, the person said."

 

 

 

I don't like there being 12k less fans.  Losing that noise sounds like a bad idea.