Christian Wade [Mod edited] has a groupie

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I doubt Wade would be any worse than Spiller at blocking. 

 

What's your point here?  We moved on from Spiller after 2014 when he contributed 300 yds to a 9-7 season that missed the playoffs.  Most of the time Spiller was here we were 6-10.  

 

Is your argument Spiller wasn't good enough to move the needle for the Bills becoming a winning team and contender then, so someone who might not be worse is a good standard for who might be good to put on the roster now?

[The Dean]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

No argument there at all, I was just responding to a guy who said "McKenzie can run all the pass routes, he doesn't have to block".

 

In Daboll's offense, the WRs gotta block.  And given a choice between a WR who can run routes and block, and a WR who can run routes but can't block, job security goes with the latter.

 

(Which has me wondering WTF the Giants think they're doing signing Kelvin Benjamin to play TE, because with the Bills, he laid down some of the laziest-ass megawhiff blocks I ever saw a WR put on the field, but I guess that's a different thread)

 

In interviews, C Wade has talked about his difficulties learning blocking.

 

 

Ever see Jimmy Graham block?  I'm just asking because I'm not sure I've ever seen it.

 

But Benjamin's progress will be interesting. I wouldn't' bet on him making the squad.

 

Oh, and I thought Buffalo716 was agreeing with you. But maybe not. If Wade has only been training at RB, I doubt he is also learning the nuances of blocking as a WR.

[Milanos Milano]

3 minutes ago, The Dean said:

 

Based on what? Evidence?

 

I'm guessing Spiller was a better blocker, as he played RB for many years, at various levels.  But  even it you are correct, what does that have to do with this team?  Spiller isn't on it. 

Im just saying if we could manage to find Spiller a role with his subpar blocking, we could find a role for Wade. The one thing going for Gailey was his ability to get Spiller in space. Wade is good in space. 

Edited May 16, 2021 by IronMaidenBills

[Mr. WEO]

6 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

This is a very fair assessment. I just think Wade is going to just blow up the off-season this year. It’s my opinion. He was robbed of valuable playing time last preseason with the virus issues, but this year he will be able to showcase more of that explosive speed and vision. If Wade doesn’t make the team either this year or next, I will be very surprised. 

Exactly. Wade has that vision and speed combo I look for. Singletary and Moss are snails compared to Wade. Breida is very similar to Wade, so that camp battle will be interesting. 

I can’t wait until Wade shuts up all the downers on here. 

 

Sure you can.....You've been waiting 2 years.  it will be 3 unless they waive him and resign him or put him on the 53.

 

Anyway, you probably could have bumped any one of 10 other Wade threads.

[NobesBLO13]

8 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Im just saying if we could manage to find Spiller a role with his subpar blocking, we could find a role for Wade. The one thing going for Gailey was his ability to get Spiller in space. Wade is good in space. 

Two different teams. This Bills team was in the AFCCG last year. How well did the Spiller teams do exactly. Your standards should be higher now for THIS team than “we found a role for Spiller”.
It’s a terrible comparison.

Edited May 16, 2021 by NobesBLO13

[Milanos Milano]

8 minutes ago, NobesBLO13 said:

Two different teams. This Bills team was in the AFCCG last year. How well did the Spiller teams do exactly. Your standards should be higher now for THIS team than “we found a role for Spiller”.
It’s a terrible comparison.

If Spiller was on this team right now, he’d be a 1k runner. He’d be our best back. I can only imagine the wreckage Jackson would do on this team. Singletary and Moss are garbage. 

[NobesBLO13]

3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

If Spiller was on this team right now, he’d be a 1k runner. He’d be our best back. I can only imagine the wreckage Jackson would do on this team. Singletary and Moss are garbage. 

Your argument has devolved into CJ Spiller hypothetical stat lines in 2021. 

You win brother.
 

[Rochesterfan]

5 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

This is also a fair assessment. My thing is with Wade, is he is a home run threat anytime he touches the ball. If I want to win maximum games, I want players who can score anywhere on the field. For that alone, I would have Wade on the roster. He doesn’t have to start to be of use. He is totally worth a roster spot if he comes in 4 or 5 times a game on 1st downs if he rips of 15+ yards a pass or carry. Just look what he does in the open field vs Indy or Car. Just swing him in space. We have plenty of other players on this team that can be used for blocking or special teams. We haven’t had a home run threat as a RB since Spiller. 

 

Ok - once again - in all seriousness being totally honest - Why is he considered a home run threat?

 

Wades 40 time and speed were slower than Moss.  He is no more a home run threat than Zack Moss.  The biggest difference is Moss understands blocking schemes - so he is going to maximize each runs versus Wade that doesn’t.  Wade will make a weird cut that works on a rare occasion, but that will be matched by the number of times he loses yards or misses holes because he is still learning.

 

Additionally a third down back needs to be multifaceted: they need to BLOCK, run, and catch.  He admits in interviews that he is still learning the blocking and has never run pass patterns.  He is basically useless as a third down back.  All Wade is at this point is a camp body and a nice story.  
 

I hope that he shows he is picking up things and is improving, but unless he gets significantly better - I do not want my season to depend on a 31 year old rookie that is still learning.  I want him sitting on the PS as an extra player and nothing more.  If he proves it great, but he has not proved it to this point.

 

 

[Devilmann]

It’s hard to judge Singletary and Moss when they averaged 9.75 and 7 carries a game. Most of your “bell cows” more than double the carries a game. If you give RB’s that average that many carries a game there wouldn’t be any big numbers. Most RB’s got to get in a rhythm and used more and not used for blockers for most of the game. 

[Draconator]

Let's trade Wade and a 2nd for Etienne. Fair trade. 

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

 

In Daboll's scheme, WR are expected to block, period.    He doesn't have to level the guy, but he at least has to have timing and the ability to get in the way.

Shoulda said he doesn't have to pass block.  

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said:

If Spiller was on this team right now, he’d be a 1k runner. He’d be our best back. I can only imagine the wreckage Jackson would do on this team. Singletary and Moss are garbage. 

Don’t mince words with us, tell us what you really think...

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Im just saying if we could manage to find Spiller a role with his subpar blocking, we could find a role for Wade. The one thing going for Gailey was his ability to get Spiller in space. Wade is good in space. 

This bunch is good in space: ⬇️

And if anyone knows pigskins, it's them.

[purple haze]

18 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

 

I think this is the depth chart going into this season. 

 

Singletary 

Moss 

Breida 

Wade 

 

I personally think Taiwan is replaceable on special teams. 

Taiwan Jones is a special teams stalwart.  He’s not going anywhere.  If Wade makes the team he beat out Breida, Antonio Williams and others.  Jones isn’t here to play RB outside of an emergency.

[Milanos Milano]

8 minutes ago, purple haze said:

Taiwan Jones is a special teams stalwart.  He’s not going anywhere.  If Wade makes the team he beat out Breida, Antonio Williams and others.  Jones isn’t here to play RB outside of an emergency.

Yes we punt once or twice a game and Bass smashes them in the back of the end zone. Lol 

[PromoTheRobot]

I just want to see they guy play again. Not much said about him in rookie camp.

[beerme1]

I can't believe some have said they would trade Moss or Motor. I could see a path for Wade if they cut Breida but that's about it I think. 

[Milanos Milano]

11 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

I just want to see they guy play again. Not much said about him in rookie camp.

He scored another TD I think. Seems like that’s what he’s good at. We need more of that. 

[Augie]

2 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

If Spiller was on this team right now, he’d be a 1k runner. He’d be our best back. I can only imagine the wreckage Jackson would do on this team. Singletary and Moss are garbage. 

 

Singletary has a 2 year average of 4.8 YPC. They had nowhere to run much of last year. Moss was the best pass protection back in the league. 

 

Your credibility rating is suffering greatly. Hard to take this crusade seriously with posts like that. 

[klos63]

Could one of the Wade supporters answer me this, I can't easily find the number and I don't feel like looking to hard. But the claims of great vision, breakaway speed, great in space, more fluid runner than the others... other than the preseason touchdown against the Colts 2 in his first season, how many times has he carried the ball in a game? I'm not trying to knock Wade at all, just wondering where all these attributes to his game come from... and I'm trying to knock you guys. LOL

[GoBills808]

13 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

You act as if that's nothing, knowing everything there is to being a running back. It's huge.

 

Know who else was fluid as hell, smooth, evasive and a terrific runner? Spiller. But he couldn't block. And unless Wade learns that, it's a huge advantage for Singletary and Spiller. As for Taiwan Jones, he got 209 snaps last year because he's very good at what he does. Wade is highly unlikely to manage to get 209 snaps.

 

Unless he can manage some STs snaps or learn to pass block, IMO he will have to beat out Breida. He might have a chance, but the odds aren't great.

Pretty sure he’s behind Williams too

[Arm of Harm]

I'm not going to, ah, wade through every post in this thread. But I do have some thoughts.

 

1) The Bills are not a team that runs the ball a lot. So, RB is not necessarily going to be as big a priority.

2) Both Moss and Singletary are reasonably competent RBs, and you have to like the fact that Moss had a 100% success rate in pass blocking this past season.

3) Trading away a guy like Moss or Singletary creates a risk, in that you don't know how well Wade will or won't do until you start giving him snaps in the regular season.

4) Due to Wade's age, it's unlikely he'll play at a high level in the regular season for more than two or three years, before father time catches up with him.

 

So, you'd be giving up on a young guy, a known guy, such as Singletary or Moss, in order to give snaps to an older player and a far less known player in the form of Wade. Don't get me wrong: I love the big play ability a guy like Wade gives you, and I don't see the same speed or athleticism in Singletary or Moss. So I understand the temptation. But there just aren't many carries to go around, and those carries are pretty much spoken for.

 

However, if some other team were to offer the Bills, say, a 2nd round pick for Singletary, then I'm guessing it would be goodbye Singletary and hello Christian Wade! While something like that is unlikely to happen, I think it's Wade's best chance of getting a significant number of regular season carries.

[BurpleBull]

I thought you meant like an Instagram groupie.

[Chandler#81]

3 hours ago, beerme1 said:

I can't believe some have said they would trade Moss or Motor. I could see a path for Wade if they cut Breida but that's about it I think. 

Consider the source.

[Milanos Milano]

7 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Consider the source.

And what’s your pedigree? 

[Augie]

12 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

And what’s your pedigree? 

He comes from a fine line of Golden Doodles, if I’m not mistaken. 

[Milanos Milano]

14 minutes ago, Augie said:

He comes from a fine line of Golden Doodles, if I’m not mistaken. 

Well I thought maybe the Bumpus hounds. 

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, Arm of Harm said:

I'm not going to, ah, wade through every post in this thread. But I do have some thoughts.

 

1) The Bills are not a team that runs the ball a lot. So, RB is not necessarily going to be as big a priority.

2) Both Moss and Singletary are reasonably competent RBs, and you have to like the fact that Moss had a 100% success rate in pass blocking this past season.

3) Trading away a guy like Moss or Singletary creates a risk, in that you don't know how well Wade will or won't do until you start giving him snaps in the regular season.

4) Due to Wade's age, it's unlikely he'll play at a high level in the regular season for more than two or three years, before father time catches up with him.

 

So, you'd be giving up on a young guy, a known guy, such as Singletary or Moss, in order to give snaps to an older player and a far less known player in the form of Wade. Don't get me wrong: I love the big play ability a guy like Wade gives you, and I don't see the same speed or athleticism in Singletary or Moss. So I understand the temptation. But there just aren't many carries to go around, and those carries are pretty much spoken for.

 

However, if some other team were to offer the Bills, say, a 2nd round pick for Singletary, then I'm guessing it would be goodbye Singletary and hello Christian Wade! While something like that is unlikely to happen, I think it's Wade's best chance of getting a significant number of regular season carries.

Good post.  I agree with the majority of it except the bolded. In all likelihood, Singletary is a Bills for 2 more years. You said it’s unlikely Wade will play at a high level for more than 2 or 3 years.  Who cares?  The longest either player will be a contributor for is 2 years.  It doesn’t really matter who’s younger. To me, it’s who is the bigger threat.  
 

I have no clue how good Wade is at this point.  None of us do.  But if he’s picked up the nuances of playing RB, I could see him being a bigger playmaker than motor. Moss can be our RB1 and we can mix in doses of brieda and Wade for big plays.  
 

Then there’s the chance he hasn’t grasped how to play the position yet and isn’t even in the same league as Motor. 
 

I just don’t think age should have anything to do with it. Rbs easily replaced and 2nd contracts are rare 

[maryland-bills-fan]

It is nice to have someone who might have a real high ceiling.  I wish we knew more.  I wish we had a preseason last year and could have the data that we need. Not the coaches, that we fans need.  We are arguing in a vacumn. We will get the data and this settled once we see how things perform in the preseason.  ONE POINT is that we have a good coaching staff and THEY are keeping this guy around.  We did NOT draft a RB, nor did we spend much to get two more candidates.  We don't know, lets hope for the best.  There is a chance that in a year, we may be glad that the lack of a pre season last year was a blessing, in that we were able to stash this guy while he developed.

 

[CSBill]

After this thread, I bet we could get a 3rd or 4th round pick for C. Wade ???

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

10 hours ago, Augie said:

Your credibility rating is suffering greatly. Hard to take this crusade seriously with posts like that. 

Entering 'Sky Diver' territory, and that poster's relentless championing of Robert Foster.  Those were the days! 😁

[machine gun kelly]

1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Entering 'Sky Diver' territory, and that poster's relentless championing of Robert Foster.  Those were the days! 😁

Memories from the corners of my mind.

 

 

[machine gun kelly]

8 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

And what’s your pedigree? 

Maiden, did you really think that was the smart play with Chand, one of the mods who keeps this site going?  
 

Cmon brother, Ive given you the benefit of the doubt on this marathon thread, but it’s starting to go a little off the rails.  
 

we get it, you love Wade.  You are also willing to trade away one of our two third round picks or Breida who was on a SB team for an aging rugby player.  One that has only performed against preseason opponents.  He hasn’t played one down in a regular season game.

 

you’re kind of reaching at this point.  A lot of reasonable people have stated how about we wait for OTA’S, training camp, preseason games and see what happens.  Isn’t that reasonable?

Edited May 17, 2021 by machine gun kelly

[Arkady Renko]

We have the snarkiest mods, don't we folks?

[Mr. K]

I didn't want to comment on this until the thread title changed. Christian Wade is a good story but unless he has the human plow card from madden stashed away he isn't getting the field over drafted players.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Until Buddy Nix declares Wade worthy of the title 'Bell Cow', I think we have to wait for further evaluation.  Someone nudge Buddy, see if he's napping. 😴

[Simon Says]

On 5/16/2021 at 8:58 AM, Arkady Renko said:

I am old enough to remember when fans impressed by Fred Jackson's performance in preseason were dismissed as silly.  

So,you should be old enough to remember that Fred grew up playing football, not rugby. By the time he got to Bills camp he had already played 3 years in Europe. He was an experienced football player, not an "athete" attempting  to learn a new sport in his late 20s.

[Simon Says]

This is another fanboy fantasy. Its a feel good story, and all... but I have outgrown the hero worship and want what is best for the team. Wade's STORY won't win games. I don't see him as an integral part of the 53 man roster. He just turned 30,haven't read anything about him learning kick return or coverage roles so it appears he has to beat out a couple backs that have proven themselves. If the Bills can afford to manipulate the roster when they clinch the playoffs, maybe he has a shot to play a little,since his IPP exemption will expire. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

5 minutes ago, Georgie said:

So,you should be old enough to remember that Fred grew up playing football, not rugby. By the time he got to Bills camp he had already played 3 years in Europe. He was an experienced football player, not an "athete" attempting  to learn a new sport in his late 20s.

Good points.  I nominate Lonnie Johnson to speak to Wade on the topic of 'situational awareness'. 😁

[ColoradoBills]

The fact is Wade is on the roster as a RB.  He will get a shot in preseason to carry the ball and probably some ST duty.

He is a longshot to make the 53 roster but has a little better chance to make the PS as an eligible "call up" player this year.

 

Anything more than that on both extremes of this topic is just unwarranted IMO.

As a "feel good" story I will admit I am looking forward to watching him take some snaps in the summer.