TBD favorite Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah heart condition led to draft stock falling

[CorkScrewHill]

Perhaps Bills doctors would not sign off. Feel bad for the kid .. hope he doesn’t have long term problems

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/05/03/report-jeremiah-owusu-koramoah-heart-condition-led-to-draft-stock-falling/

 

Edited May 3, 2021 by CorkScrewHill

[NewEra]

😳 poor kid

[BuffaloRebound]

Hope he’s ok.  But this is why it’s an exercise in futility trying to hand out immediate draft grades.  Teams have access to so much more info than the internet experts.  

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Didn’t Star have a heart condition, and he has had a pretty long NFL career? Hopefully the heart thing is not an issue for him. 

[Logic]

Of course there was something like this.

When 1st round caliber prospect fall down draft boards, it's almost always due to either medical concerns or character concerns. This year, with the lack of medical information teams were receiving, there were bound to be a few of these types of falls.

Inevitably, when a team finally does draft them, its fans are certain that said team got the steal of the draft. Sometimes, that turns out to be the case. Rob Gronkowski slipped down draft boards due to back problems, and he had a Hall of Fame career Other times, the medical concerns follow a player into the pros. Leighton Vander Esch is a good example.

Hopefully JOK is not hindered by his condition and goes on to have a good career --  except for when the Browns play the Bills. Then I hope he comes down with a recurrent severe hangnail and rides the pine out of an abundance of caution.

[maddenboy]

Kudos to the teams (seems like all 32) who did NOT leak this info to the press pre-draft.  JOK's personal medical business.

 

Or, cynically, since all 32 presumably knew, maybe there was no reason to put out the info in order to make JOK's stock drop artificially, so some team could have him fall in its lap.

[Freddie's Dead]

Owusu-Kosst Amojan gonna be a beast in the NFL.

[78thealltimegreat]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

Of course there was something like this.

When 1st round caliber prospect fall down draft boards, it's almost always due to either medical concerns or character concerns. This year, with the lack of medical information teams were receiving, there were bound to be a few of these types of falls.

Inevitably, when a team finally does draft them, its fans are certain that said team got the steal of the draft. Sometimes, that turns out to be the case. Rob Gronkowski slipped down draft boards due to back problems, and he had a Hall of Fame career Other times, the medical concerns follow a player into the pros. Leighton Vander Esch is a good example.

Hopefully JOK is not hindered by his condition and goes on to have a good career --  except for when the Browns play the Bills. Then I hope he comes down with a recurrent severe hangnail and rides the pine out of an abundance of caution.

I learned about this from Michael Lombardi a few years ago when you see those couple of guys that you can’t believe are still on the board as each team gets something called a medical grade on a player and it’s up to each team and it’s medical staff to asses the risk in taking them. Fortunately the Bills medical staff and facilities are as good as anyone’s and was one of the big reasons Cole Beasley signed here 

[RyanC883]

Would rather have gambled on him in the 1st than with Greg.  Could have JOK and Carlos.  

[DJB]

Tough break for the kid. I wonder had he been cleared medically if we would have chosen him. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Don't understand why the board was fascinated with this kid?  What position would he have played in Buffalo?  

 

As for heart conditions there are only two that are an issue.  One is Hypertrophic obstructive cardiomyopathy(HOCM).  Think Hank Gathers.  That is what he had.  It can be easy and at times very difficult to diagnose as there are all kinds of presentations.  Any superior athlete can have hypertrophy of the heart from training but only a rare few have HOCM that can be lethal.  The other condition is a plain of cardiomyopathy(weak heart).  Generally this is easier to detect but not always an exact science.  

Most other conditions are not going to cause an issue.  Any true congenital defect would have been caught long ago.  

 

Still, I say, he is a player without a position in Buffalo, so I see why the Bills passed.  

[Boxcar]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

Of course there was something like this.

When 1st round caliber prospect fall down draft boards, it's almost always due to either medical concerns or character concerns. This year, with the lack of medical information teams were receiving, there were bound to be a few of these types of falls.

Inevitably, when a team finally does draft them, its fans are certain that said team got the steal of the draft. Sometimes, that turns out to be the case. Rob Gronkowski slipped down draft boards due to back problems, and he had a Hall of Fame career Other times, the medical concerns follow a player into the pros. Leighton Vander Esch is a good example.

Hopefully JOK is not hindered by his condition and goes on to have a good career --  except for when the Browns play the Bills. Then I hope he comes down with a recurrent severe hangnail and rides the pine out of an abundance of caution.

Wonder if this was the case with Moehrig, too.

[Thurman#1]

6 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said:

Perhaps Bills doctors would not sign off. Feel bad for the kid .. hope he doesn’t have long term problems

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/05/03/report-jeremiah-owusu-koramoah-heart-condition-led-to-draft-stock-falling/

 

 

 

Hunh. Thanks for posting that, OP. Clears things up a bit. 

 

I wonder if we'd have taken him if healthy. Or if he'd even have reached us.

[Southern_Bills]

I'm in the minority but I've never understood this line of thinking, and I'm sure someone will tell me I'm wrong for mine.

 

If the kid can play who cares? Chances of a player getting to a second contract is a crap shoot anyways.

 

Montez Sweat was passed for this same reason, he's doing pretty well on the WFT. Maybe he doesn't play 12 years, these concerns would weigh heavier to me on second contracts not so much rookie deals.

 

 

[1ManRaid]

9 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Didn’t Star have a heart condition, and he has had a pretty long NFL career? Hopefully the heart thing is not an issue for him. 

 

It's not really helpful to try to compare two different people just using the vague term of "heart condition". It's like trying to relate "engine problem" without being the exact same make and model of car, knowing the exact part of the engine in question, the severity, etc.

[HOUSE]

The Cleveland Browns have been out smarting NFL teams for 50 years

 

Edited May 5, 2021 by HOUSE

[Draconator]

1 minute ago, HOUSE said:

The Browns have been out smarting NFL teams for 50 years

 

 

Dude! She's hot!!!

[colin]

agree with ethan in crazy town, unless he straight unsat milano (and how much of an upgrade could he possibly be in his first year?  might not even be better tbh) he'd play a few snaps as our like dime linebacker, which means we'd be a modified 4-2 in dime, and we are a straight 4-2 in base, so we'd have to take other starters off the pitch.

 

he's a good looking player, assuming he can do it i suppose he could be like the honey badger kid from lsu, but i think he's more of a close to the line guy, and would still be making a position change.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

3 hours ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

It's not really helpful to try to compare two different people just using the vague term of "heart condition". It's like trying to relate "engine problem" without being the exact same make and model of car, knowing the exact part of the engine in question, the severity, etc.

 

well, my intent wasn't to make an official diagnosis and comparison between the two since no one knows their conditions, but I get your point. 

[hondo in seattle]

15 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Hope he’s ok.  But this is why it’s an exercise in futility trying to hand out immediate draft grades.  Teams have access to so much more info than the internet experts.  

 

Agreed.  It's always fun when amateurs critique experts.  When I was overseas waiting to go to war, I could only laugh at some of the media assessments of the pros & cons of our strategy & tactics.  Very few military observers were at all astute.  Many were downright clueless.  

 

The average football fan has extremely limited knowledge of a draft class.  Even the media draft gurus can't come close.  A NFL club has a team of professional scouts, doctors, private detectives, analytic experts, as well as a wide network of external sources.   

 

Some draft gurus will be honest enough to tell you which games they watched.  In some cases, they only watched and graded three games of a particular player.  A NFL scouting department will watch all the games, talk to the coaches, talk to the player, and so on.   

 

My personal budget for researching college players: $0.  An NFL team spends millions.  

 

I appreciate that the NFL GM ranks have included guys like Matt Millen.  But second-guessing good GMs, like Beane, is a task for fools and fans.  

[Kwai San]

5 hours ago, HOUSE said:

The Cleveland Browns have been out smarting NFL teams for 50 years

 

 

My lordy...that is the largest mouth I think I have ever seen!!!

[buffalostu2]

17 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

I learned about this from Michael Lombardi a few years ago when you see those couple of guys that you can’t believe are still on the board as each team gets something called a medical grade on a player and it’s up to each team and it’s medical staff to asses the risk in taking them. Fortunately the Bills medical staff and facilities are as good as anyone’s and was one of the big reasons Cole Beasley signed here 

So what is Epenesa's issue we don't know about then? 😀

[NewEra]

33 minutes ago, buffalostu2 said:

So what is Epenesa's issue we don't know about then? 😀

You know about it if you saw him perform @ the combine last year! 😂 

 

once I saw him at the combine, I knew he would be a Bill 🤮

 

He looked like a different person last year though.  Can’t wait to see how he continues to develop.  While i wish we had one twitchy type DE, I think the 3 kids we have could hold down the fort properly over the next few years 

[MJS]

20 hours ago, Logic said:

Of course there was something like this.

When 1st round caliber prospect fall down draft boards, it's almost always due to either medical concerns or character concerns. This year, with the lack of medical information teams were receiving, there were bound to be a few of these types of falls.

Inevitably, when a team finally does draft them, its fans are certain that said team got the steal of the draft. Sometimes, that turns out to be the case. Rob Gronkowski slipped down draft boards due to back problems, and he had a Hall of Fame career Other times, the medical concerns follow a player into the pros. Leighton Vander Esch is a good example.

Hopefully JOK is not hindered by his condition and goes on to have a good career --  except for when the Browns play the Bills. Then I hope he comes down with a recurrent severe hangnail and rides the pine out of an abundance of caution.

In fairness, Gronk did have a great career, but he also missed a lot of time due to injury, including back problems that required multiple surgeries over his career. So the medical evaluations were pretty accurate, I'd say.

[Southern_Bills]

13 hours ago, Draconator said:

 

Dude! She's hot!!!

 

Like "Hot mess" Hot?

 

[NoSaint]

On 5/3/2021 at 7:20 PM, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Didn’t Star have a heart condition, and he has had a pretty long NFL career? Hopefully the heart thing is not an issue for him. 

honest question - we see one of these every couple years and I don’t recall any young guys having a major career impact from it. Might teams be overrating the red flag or are there some retirements I’m not recalling?

[Draconator]

13 minutes ago, Southern_Bills said:

 

Like "Hot mess" Hot?

 

 

I'd hit it

[78thealltimegreat]

On 5/4/2021 at 3:54 PM, buffalostu2 said:

So what is Epenesa's issue we don't know about then? 😀

Don’t ask me as McDermott and Leslie Frazier since Brandon Beane sees him as a starter this year  😃

[BarleyNY]

For what it’s worth, I’ve heard that the timing of the info on his possible heart condition coming out was the issue for teams.  They didn’t get a chance to have medical evaluations by their own doctors like in typical years and didn’t have time to do much work on him when it came out.  Now he’s cleared. 

[machine gun kelly]

Well written Hondo.  A good example is Milano.  How many of these gurus picked that a 5th round pick would end up a high end LB in the league, or another schlep 5th rd pick would end up being the NFL’s leading WR in 2020 (Diggs of course).

 

I just trust Beane.  I’m guessing he hits on at least 65% of his draft which is according to Polian a top GM.