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Thanks for the effort GB. I know that something like this takes time. There is too much work involved to just put this up in a few minutes. Posts like this are what makes this board great.

 

That said, it certainly does follow the old time, depressing Bills mode. I liken it to 2008 when the Bills, in desperate need of blockers, drafted the great, gifted CB Leodis McKelvin at 11. Ryan Clady went at 12, and Brandon Albert went at 15, two pretty awesome blockers. In this mock, we take another first round corner and Alex Leatherwood (who I think might be the most underrated player in this draft) goes on the next pick. 

 

Somewhere, Marv Levy and Dick Jauron are smiling. 

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16 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Thanks for the effort GB. I know that something like this takes time. There is too much work involved to just put this up in a few minutes. Posts like this are what makes this board great.

 

That said, it certainly does follow the old time, depressing Bills mode. I liken it to 2008 when the Bills, in desperate need of blockers, drafted the great, gifted CB Leodis McKelvin at 11. Ryan Clady went at 12, and Brandon Albert went at 15, two pretty awesome blockers. In this mock, we take another first round corner and Alex Leatherwood (who I think might be the most underrated player in this draft) goes on the next pick. 

 

Somewhere, Marv Levy and Dick Jauron are smiling. 

 

I still think we get a pretty good blocker at #61. To be fair I am a massive Newsome fan. I think he is the most underrated player in the draft. If he played for Ohio State or Alabama instead of Northwestern people would be talking about him as a top 15 player IMO. But I have moved your kid up in my rankings even this week. My first tape look I wasn't sure he could play left tackle in the NFL and would have to go to right tackle or guard. I now think he could, but I think it needs to be a specific scheme fit. To be a successful NFL left tackle I think he needs a man blocking power scheme. You couldn't put him in a Shanahan style zone scheme at left tackle and expect him to hold up in my view. 

 

31 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Interesting.  Fits some needs but I’m surprised you didn’t try to get an edge or OLB.

 

Yea what I try to do with these is not "fix" the draft so the Bills end up with a specific match (although I admit to being a big Newsome fan). I think they are in a tricky spot at #30 for edge guys. The first raft of guys I think could play as a 4-3 end - Rousseau, Phillips and Paye - are likely gone as they were here. Ossai and Ojulari are that next tier but they are 3-4 outside rush 'backers IMO and #30 is too early for the likes of Jones. What I essentially do is take the view that every team kind of agrees with my rankings to an extent (obviously they won't) and then say "okay if this was their board at this stage where might they go?"

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Bill, just like you to have such a classy response to a lot of hard work in GB’s mock.  I couldn’t agree more.  I’m not crazy about you’re Bills picks unless you’re assumption is they let Daryl Williams walk.  I understand if that’s the case.  I thought you’re Miami picks were spot onto what they will do.  
 

Again GB, that’s a heck of a lot of work, so not bad for a Brit. 🤪. Just kidding bud, my heritage is Irish and English.

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3 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Bill, just like you to have such a classy response to a lot of hard work in GB’s mock.  I couldn’t agree more.  I’m not crazy about you’re Bills picks unless you’re assumption is they let Daryl Williams walk.  I understand if that’s the case.  I thought you’re Miami picks were spot onto what they will do.  
 

Again GB, that’s a heck of a lot of work, so not bad for a Brit. 🤪. Just kidding bud, my heritage is Irish and English.

The time that GB had to have put into a post like this is not to be underestimated. To rank 64 players you have to study at least twice that many, or so I think.  I agree with him in terms of the players that I spent hours watching except for 1, but GB probably has a better chance of being correct than I do . :)

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5 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

The time that GB had to have put into a post like this is not to be underestimated. To rank 64 players you have to study at least twice that many, or so I think.  I agree with him in terms of the players that I spent hours watching, except for 1, but GB probably has a better chance of being correct than I do . :)

 

I will confess to not yet having studied in detail all 64. I think everyone in my first round though I do now have a provisional grade on except the 4 QBs who I am leaving until last this year (but who I think we can safely assert will go top 15). It is about half the 2nd round that I have graded. Done all the corners, receivers and all the offensive linemen. 

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4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

If the draft fell this way I think I’d rather trade down naji Harris would make an excellent second round draft pick

 

I think I would very seriously consider trading down 5-10 spots in that scenario for the Bills. Obviously this was a no trade mock.

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Gunner, I do NOT agree with the following link (I am sold on Lawrence), but I think that Mac Jones will go in the first round. That said, if the draft were to go like yours, I would want the Bills to trade up and draft Mac in round 2. It would only be a few spots and would probably cost little. 

 

We will be in lots of trouble if Josh gets hurt. The value of qbs is HUGE these days and we could get a huge return for Mac if he played well in just a few games.

 

https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/19/former-nfl-coach-june-jones-has-mac-jones-ranked-over-trevor-lawrence/

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1 minute ago, Bill from NYC said:

Gunner, I do NOT agree with the following link (I am sold on Lawrence), but I think that Mac Jones will go in the first round. That said, if the draft were to go like yours, I would want the Bills to trade up and draft Mac in round 2. It would only be a few spots and would probably cost little. 

 

We will be in lots of trouble if Josh gets hurt. The value of qbs is HUGE these days and we could get a huge return for Mac if he played well in just a few games.

 

https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/19/former-nfl-coach-june-jones-has-mac-jones-ranked-over-trevor-lawrence/

 

I don't think Mac lasts as long as I have him but whether that is late first or early 2nd I am not sure. Saints, Steelers, Bears and Patriots are the contenders I think to trade up for him.

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Re: Bills - would like to see a front seven w/pass rush ability. Maybe it's addressed in FA.

 

Jets: Man - Any chance they stick w/Darnold? With bevy of picks, they could really do some damage elsewhere.

 

Giants: Fans would be ecstatic with your rather "offensive" selections. With a healthy Saquon back, no more excuse DJ.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, inaugural balls said:

Re: Bills - would like to see a front seven w/pass rush ability. Maybe it's addressed in FA.

 

Jets: Man - Any chance they stick w/Darnold? With bevy of picks, they could really do some damage elsewhere.

 

Giants: Fans would be ecstatic with your rather "offensive" selections. With a healthy Saquon back, no more excuse DJ.

 

Bills - if it isn't addressed in FA they might need to be willing to move around the board to get in position to make the value work on day 1 or 2 of the draft. 

 

Jets - Still possible though trending against I think. 

 

Giants - agree. They have to do it. They have to give Jones weapons and then make their mind up this year - yay or nay. 

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I appreciate the work and explanations for your picks Gunner. It's always a quality product. That being said, I would be quite underwhelmed by our first two selections. I'd rather have Leatherwood, Harris, or Wyatt Davis in this scenario @ #30. 

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Great stuff Gunner....and thanks for taking the time. As I read through each successive pick I literally forced myself not to scroll down to the Bills selection.....but when I got there in both rounds my immediate reaction was... “WHO”? So seeing as how that’s been my reaction to so many Bills drafts throughout the decades, I’m going to guess that you nailed it. 😉

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Problem I’m having is our front seven still remains in shambles. Bear with me, I just woke up and my IQ hovers around zero until I get my cigarettes and caffeine in (not much higher than it usually is when I’m caffeinated). Ultimately I think we should go DL back to back in RD1 & RD2. Ain’t it a shame that Zaven Collins is gone before we pick and obviously I’m beating the Boogie Basham drum hard but if you took him out of the equation and that was my reality at #30 and I was forced to go by your board for arguments sake, I think I’d have to go Najee Harris there. I’m very high on Jay Tufele as well, you have him at #40, which is a nice spot for him. Maybe he rises, I don’t know but I would not be against trading back and taking him at the top of RD2 or maybe even at #30, but it may make sense to wait and see if Tedarrell Slaton is there or Marvin Wilson at #61. I have Tufele considerably higher than both but Slaton and Wilson would be very good pieces on that IDL.

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Thanks gunner for all your work like others have said.

This is one of those drafts that take forever to come draft spot and all and the hope all bills nation know feels.

When the coach and gm say need to fix the lines it means no new toys for Josh to play with just a lot of big uglies

 Which is great nut bills Nation wants a 4

2 running back that can catch and a 6' 7" tight end that run a 4.5 can block and catch and a de like Bruce Smith. Well boys and girls it starts with the trenches.

 

From one brit to another have a heck a good day old chap

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Really nice job.  I enjoy reading your draft posts very much (along with several other very knowledgeable draft nicks that post here).

 

I agree that CB2 is a big need and would help the defense.  I would still prefer that the Bills grab a pass rusher in round 1, but agree that with the way the picks fell in this scenario that they would have to reach to pick either DE or blitz-capable OLB.

 

Does Radunz have enough ballast to be an effective run blocker and hold up to bull rushes in the NFL?

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Thanks for the work GB.  For the record, I'm with Bill from NYC in that I'm hoping the Bills go with some Bigs (either DL or OL). 

 

An OL guy would allow for team controlled continuity with Josh for 4-5 years.  It is a sought after strategy to have OL continuity.  Having a first round pick developing into the mix would allow for small year over year changes for the next several years.

 

A DL is a huge need.  And from a team cost perspective they are great to have - the backup DLs of the world Murphy/Jefferson/Butler's are $8+ million apiece.  While many are not thrilled with Epenesa, he is already allowing the Bills to jettison one of the Murphy/Jefferson/Butler trio - saving $8 mill in the process.  If the CB is just a backup level guy, his place on the roster is only moving out a less than $1 mill guy (like EJ Gaines).

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Just now, whorlnut said:

I just can’t get behind a first round corner in any way. Not even close to our biggest need. We need to add an athletic edge, playmaker on offense, or an OT. 

In a passing league, having 2 top CB's under contract for 4 seasons.....that is what's called "having nice things".......I like nice things.

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Just now, TheBeaneBandit said:

In a passing league, having 2 top CB's under contract for 4 seasons.....that is what's called "having nice things".......I like nice things.

Dane Jackson played very well in limited snaps as a rookie. Again...not a big need. Let him and Wallace duke it out for CB2 and that will be good enough. What isn’t good enough is out offensive line if we lose Williams and Nsekhe. Or our DE room at the moment with Addison and Hughes not getting younger and Epenesa struggling as a rookie. And I keep saying...you need to score points with teams like the chiefs. Another weapon on offense for Allen would take this offense over the top. 

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Get nervous when drafting players high from lower level college programs like N Dakota State.  Yes many work out, but hard to project how that talent truly measures up against a WR like say a JaMarr Chase.  There certainly are a number that work out, look no further than Andre Reed, but still makes me more nervous drafting that high in 2nd round.

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1 minute ago, whorlnut said:

Dane Jackson played very well in limited snaps as a rookie. Again...not a big need. Let him and Wallace duke it out for CB2 and that will be good enough. What isn’t good enough is out offensive line if we lose Williams and Nsekhe. Or our DE room at the moment with Addison and Hughes not getting younger and Epenesa struggling as a rookie. And I keep saying...you need to score points with teams like the chiefs. Another weapon on offense for Allen would take this offense over the top. 

Hey trust me I agree with all that too. If, and yes it's probably a big if, if the Bills somehow get creative enough in free agency CB as the BPA as the first draft pick makes sense. 

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Love your work and knowledge Gunner. Hopefully the Bills move and don’t take a CB at 30. There’s a plethora of CBs they can get later like a Keith Taylor or Bryan Mills. If they can’t get Bolton/Collins at 30, I hope they move down to acquire more picks. I also think Pittsburgh maybe looking at the offensive line. It was a bad group last season and Pouncey retirement won’t help. Teams will be looking to fortify their offensive lines and think there may be a run on them in the later first, early second. Parsons will go earlier and Mac Jones will be the Lamar Jackson of this draft. Not talent wise, but some team may want to move back up in the first to get him, if they don’t outright select him. Possible trade partner with Bills?

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3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think Mac lasts as long as I have him but whether that is late first or early 2nd I am not sure. Saints, Steelers, Bears and Patriots are the contenders I think to trade up for him.

I can see the WFT being a contender too and don’t sleep SF. Mac Jones destination is going to be based on the outcome of QB carousel, but Shanahan and Mac Jones will be a mean combination 

43 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Really nice job.  I enjoy reading your draft posts very much (along with several other very knowledgeable draft nicks that post here).

 

I agree that CB2 is a big need and would help the defense.  I would still prefer that the Bills grab a pass rusher in round 1, but agree that with the way the picks fell in this scenario that they would have to reach to pick either DE or blitz-capable OLB.

 

Does Radunz have enough ballast to be an effective run blocker and hold up to bull rushes in the NFL?

I like Teven Jenkins a little better

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14 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Hey trust me I agree with all that too. If, and yes it's probably a big if, if the Bills somehow get creative enough in free agency CB as the BPA as the first draft pick makes sense. 

Corner is probably the one position that would make me break a tv on draft night...

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1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Really nice job.  I enjoy reading your draft posts very much (along with several other very knowledgeable draft nicks that post here).

 

I agree that CB2 is a big need and would help the defense.  I would still prefer that the Bills grab a pass rusher in round 1, but agree that with the way the picks fell in this scenario that they would have to reach to pick either DE or blitz-capable OLB.

 

Does Radunz have enough ballast to be an effective run blocker and hold up to bull rushes in the NFL?

 

I think Radunz does, yea. Again he isn't gonna come in and be dominant out of the gate but I think he can be a functional starter and develop into a really good player in time. 

 

On the pass rush thing that is my preference too. This draft just doesn't really fall that way for them. They could move up or down the board in reality of course. 

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54 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

Get nervous when drafting players high from lower level college programs like N Dakota State.  Yes many work out, but hard to project how that talent truly measures up against a WR like say a JaMarr Chase.  There certainly are a number that work out, look no further than Andre Reed, but still makes me more nervous drafting that high in 2nd round.

how did that work out with Josh Allen? its not always about the school... its about the Talent in front of you and how much of a ceiling the player has and if the player is a student of the game type of player.

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50 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Love your work and knowledge Gunner. Hopefully the Bills move and don’t take a CB at 30. There’s a plethora of CBs they can get later like a Keith Taylor or Bryan Mills. If they can’t get Bolton/Collins at 30, I hope they move down to acquire more picks. I also think Pittsburgh maybe looking at the offensive line. It was a bad group last season and Pouncey retirement won’t help. Teams will be looking to fortify their offensive lines and think there may be a run on them in the later first, early second. Parsons will go earlier and Mac Jones will be the Lamar Jackson of this draft. Not talent wise, but some team may want to move back up in the first to get him, if they don’t outright select him. Possible trade partner with Bills?

 

Agree on Mac. Someone could well be trying to get back into the first for him. I agree on Pitt but OL is much deeper than OLB. Which is why I have them waiting on OL help to round 2. 

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45 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I like Teven Jenkins a little better

 

I considered both. I went Radunz at this stage because he could play either position on the OL where they have a FA. If Williams leaves and Mongo stays and the need is a pure right tackle then Jenkins makes more sense.

Just now, PrimeTime101 said:

Gunner I appreciate the work you put in... but... I am just not seeing CB in round 1. 

 

IF this happens I might find the closest shoe and break my tv lol...

 

Good job on the draft

 

I am not sure it will because I am probably slightly higher than most on Newsome (though people are finally waking up to him and he might not even be there.... DJ had him at #21 to the Colts this week) and after that none of the others are worth a 1st round pick after the top 3 guys. But if this was a better corner group at the top I think it would 100% be in play for the Bills. 

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1 hour ago, whorlnut said:

I just can’t get behind a first round corner in any way. Not even close to our biggest need. We need to add an athletic edge, playmaker on offense, or an OT. 

 

And athletic edge he made sense wasn't there. OT is a really deep group and I don't think there is a lot of difference between the guys who will go late round 1 and throughout round 2 so you can wait and take one in the 2nd as I did. And Newsome is just a better player in my mind than the other offensive weapons on the board.

 

I also think corner is a bigger need than a lot of fans think. We only have 1 more year of control on Levi who is upgradeable even if we do RFA him. Dane Jackson has played a handful of snaps. And that is it. On the whole roster. If we want to be able to defend KC more effectively I think we need to have 2 corners who we are willing to single up occasionally.  

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I agree that the Dolphins and Jets are the two most likely teams for the top two RB's in this years draft. Because of clear need and also largely because they each have so many extra picks they can afford to spend one on an elite player at a devalued position. Of course that could change if one of the two end up trading all of their picks away for #4 in Houston. 

 

If Etienne and Harris are as special as some think they are I'd be pretty tempted to take one of them at #30. Hard pill to swallow though with 2 young RB's already on the roster and taken on day two in back to back years. 

 

We will have a much clearer picture to our draft board once we get our free agents signed. 

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1 hour ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

In a passing league, having 2 top CB's under contract for 4 seasons.....that is what's called "having nice things".......I like nice things.

 

You've got one of the best CBs in the league. You make the other work best you can.

 

We need to get after the QB.

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Thanks for the entertainment. 

 

YOU DRAFTED A CB IN THE FIRST ROUND!  DIE!  DIE!  {cue the usual suspects}  That's not who I want to see the Bills draft, At All.  I think we have far bigger needs elsewhere and does the talent difference really justify that?  IMO, give us a pass rush and an upgrade at LB and we'll see

 

Question: If the Carolina Panthers win the "Watson Sweepstakes", wouldn't that involve giving up their 1st round pick?

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1 hour ago, whorlnut said:

And I keep saying...you need to score points with teams like the chiefs. Another weapon on offense for Allen would take this offense over the top. 

 

Also, the way to beat the Chiefs defense is utilizing the RB's and TE's in the passing game. The Chiefs defensive personnel and scheme is designed perfectly to shut down WR's in the passing game. Allen had two of his worst games of the year against the Chiefs defense because our offense runs through our WR's. Not our RB's or TE's. Now the question is, will that still hold true about the Chiefs defense in 2021 or will they have personnel and scheme changes?

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