1/24/21 AFC Championship Game Postgame Thread

[WideNine]

4 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said:

 

I think Josh took major steps this year taking what Defenses gave him...But I totally agree Josh was looking a bit too much for someone to shake loose down the field. He's got to get better in that regard. But I'm optimistic. 

 

Allen has to learn that those dump offs and passes underneath are money too.

 

How many of KC's dinks and dunks went for big RAC yards? Did Mahomes have to hit a lot of deep home runs or was he just able to keep taking what Frazier was giving him and work down the field? Admittedly KC seems better at tackling to ensure less RAC and the Bills D struggles with that, but the point remains.

 

That is the lesson that Allen has gotten at times this year, but has to be reinforced. There are no style points.

 

 

[billybob71]

Tough position for a young QB to be in, your coaches getting outcoached, no running game to take pressure off, blocking not great, receivers not winning vs tight man coverage and your D not gonna stop them.  Like i said before this loss would have been even worse with most other QBs.

[Dick_Cheney]

Just now, billybob71 said:

Tough position for a young QB to be in, your coaches getting outcoached, no running game to take pressure off, blocking not great, receivers not winning vs tight man coverage and your D not gonna stop them.  Like i said before this loss would have been even worse with most other QBs.

 

Facts.

[Success]

I didn't really recognize that KC defense. I've watched them quite a bit this year - that had to be one of the best games they played.

 

Spags just called it perfectly.  There was constant pressure on Josh, and at the same time, the receivers were well covered.  Not the easiest thing to pull off.

 

[SydneyBillsFan]

Out-thought, out-fought, out-muscled and out-hustled from beginning to end. Saved our worst for last. We barely laid a glove on them.

 

Disappointing but not unexpected.

 

Need to draft carefully to strengthen the areas where we are weak.

[WideNine]

2 minutes ago, billybob71 said:

Tough position for a young QB to be in, your coaches getting outcoached, no running game to take pressure off, blocking not great, receivers not winning vs tight man coverage and your D not gonna stop them.  Like i said before this loss would have been even worse with most other QBs.

 

This is true.

 

A lot of folks let Allen down tonight, but he will take the whole blame....it's how he is wired.

 

 

 

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, Dick_Cheney said:

 

Facts.

We lose that game by 100 without Josh allen...I only got a chance to see him in person one other time and some of these plays he makes are just unreal when you see them live...he missed a couple throws early but he did better than anyone else wouldve done with that to work with imo.  Idk how they did it but the chiefs played man against us and completely shut down everyone 

[Aussie Joe]

Remember when the Chiefs fumbled the punt on the 3?

[gobills404]

We would've lost anyways, but I really didn't enjoy watching a guy who should've been ejected in the first quarter get pressure on Allen and praise from romo and nantz all game long.

[Turbo44]

Mahomes comes into the game coming off concussed and with a bad toe and we barely touched him, Kelsey or Hill all game. I’d love to see

the defensive philosophy coming into the game because getting no pressure on mahomes while leaving Hill and Kelsey open all game makes zero sense. 

[KOKBILLS]

5 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

Allen has to learn that those dump offs and passes underneath are money too.

 

How many of KC's dinks and dunks went for big RAC yards? Did Mahomes have to hit a lot of deep home runs or was he just able to keep taking what Frazier was giving him and work down the field? Admittedly KC seems better at tackling to ensure less RAC and the Bills D struggles with that, but the point remains.

 

That is the lesson that Allen has gotten at times this year, but has to be reinforced. There are no style points.

 

 

 

Yep...Take what they give you...Then that will lead to bigger and better things...

[zow2]

This was a very disappointing loss obviously,  but for some reason i’m not too down.  i think from Q2 on you could see we were not the better club.  Easier to take this than a last second Mahomes come from behind win or something like that. 

I think the Bills were a bit exposed in the playoffs.  Cant just be Allen and Diggs next season.  They need some balance, more speed, a running game,  more stout of a defense. 

[MPT]

17 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

I think he threw it away only 2-3 times tops. He was nonchalant about it - just threw it in a spot no one was at.

 

Not a lot of stopping going on.... did they punt the ball even once?

 

They punted on their first drive and then scored every single drive after that.

[Turbo44]

1 minute ago, gobills404 said:

We would've lost anyways, but I really didn't enjoy watching a guy who should've been ejected in the first quarter get pressure on Allen and praise from romo and nantz all game long.

Yep that’s an example of a p*ssy ref not have the b*lls to make the right call. Afraid to make the right call- pathetic

[WideNine]

1 minute ago, MPT said:

 

They punted on their first drive and then scored every single drive after that.

 

Ugh.  I guess I did ask.

 

Thanks.

[Norcalbillsfan]

27 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

The best adjustment I saw from the Bills in the second half was bringing Yeldon in and using the flats more to counter the blitz.

 

I'd like to see them use them to counter the blitz more often.  

Imagine next season if we have a RB with speed in the flats for josh to dump off too

[KOKBILLS]

2 minutes ago, MPT said:

 

They punted on their first drive and then scored every single drive after that.

 

Holy Moses...😬

[Success]

When did we become such a hot-take nation?  Has it always been like that?

 

Watching some of the pundits & checking twitter, you'd think Allen never had the season he did.  

 

I mean, only 1 team gets to win in the end.....

 

[WideNine]

Just now, Success said:

When did we become such a hot-take nation?  Has it always been like that?

 

Watching some of the pundits & checking twitter, you'd think Allen never had the season he did.  

 

I mean, only 1 team gets to win in the end.....

 

 

We all know that they will quickly build up that pedestal nice and high, then push you off in an instance of failure.

 

That is why players and teams should not buy into the hype.

 

We had gaps on our team all year, sometimes our offense saved us, sometimes defense, sometimes special teams. We rarely had complete games because we were always doing things to disguise our inability to run the ball, or to stop the run, or to create pressure. We did a good job of taking chances borrowing from an area where teams were weak to counter where they were strong, but that often fails when you run into a more complete team without a lot of holes you can expose.

 

It was a good run, with some miracle big plays and gutsy performances along the way but this team is not there yet.

 

I do thank them for a really enjoyable season and hope they find those missing pieces and go even further next year.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[billybob71]

10 minutes ago, Success said:

When did we become such a hot-take nation?  Has it always been like that?

 

Watching some of the pundits & checking twitter, you'd think Allen never had the season he did.  

 

I mean, only 1 team gets to win in the end.....

 

I would guess most of these hot takes aren't Bills fans just people who originally said Allen would suck and they still grasping at straws to be proven right.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

11 minutes ago, Success said:

When did we become such a hot-take nation?  Has it always been like that?

 

Watching some of the pundits & checking twitter, you'd think Allen never had the season he did.  

 

I mean, only 1 team gets to win in the end.....

 

What did the analysts want Allen to do? 
 

Ride TJ Yeldon all night?

 

Run up the middle more? 
 

Throw to double covered Stefon Diggs more?

 

Jam it into Knox tighter? 
 

Beg McDermott/Daboll to play McKenzie? 
 

Become an OT and block for Barkley? 

1 minute ago, billybob71 said:

I would guess most of these hot takes aren't Bills fans just people who originally said Allen would suck and they still grasping at straws to be proven right.

He’s 2-2 in the Playoffs. He’s not a disaster. He fought until the very end.

[ngbills]

Don’t care what anyone says. We did not show up, played like we were lucky to be there. On to next year. 

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

What did the analysts want Allen to do? 
 

Ride TJ Yeldon all night?

 

Run up the middle more? 
 

Throw to double covered Stefon Diggs more?

 

Jam it into Knox tighter? 
 

Beg McDermott/Daboll to play McKenzie? 
 

Become an OT and block for Barkley? 

He’s 2-2 in the Playoffs. He’s not a disaster. He fought until the very end.

Somehow kc was open all night.  They had a better scheme. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 minute ago, ngbills said:

Don’t care what anyone says. We did not show up, played like we were lucky to be there. On to next year. 

Somehow kc was open all night.  They had a better scheme. 

Well the Bills decided to let air cover Kelce from the opening snap.

 

And Hill looked like Sonic level speed tonight.

[TheCockSportif]

2 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Don’t care what anyone says. We did not show up, played like we were lucky to be there. On to next year. 

Somehow kc was open all night.  They had a better scheme. 

The Bills had barely any pass rush and couldn't collapse the pocket.  Therefore, every play from KC was like *bang* and KC did something meaningful to move the chains time after time after time.  Josh Allen, in comparison, either had time to throw into dangerous situations, got the yips to miss open receivers, or was leveled.

[BigDingus]

As I said in another thread, I'm just thankful for the success we had this year & finally getting to see Allen play at a high level in the regular season.

Most QB's aren't Mahomes & don't just instantly play like HOFers. Most teams don't just become SB contenders overnight.

So the fact we won the AFC East, had the best WR in the league, had a Pro Bowl QB, and won 2 playoff games makes me happy. 

Next year I'd want better, but this year was awesome to experience while it lasted.

[GETTOTHE50]

Has anyone taken credit for the loss? I’m hoping McDud did because he left our Bills out to slaughter in the kingdom

[KOKBILLS]

I think when we have time to take a deep breath and look back on this season it will become even more impressive that the Bills Offense was as good as it was considering we had next to no running game to compliment at all...It really is amazing. 

[billybob71]

Just now, KOKBILLS said:

I think when we have time to take a deep breath and look back on this season it will become even more impressive that the Bills Offense was as good as it was considering we had next to no running game to compliment at all...It really is amazing. 

Yep it goes to show how good Allen can be and I'm confident he not gonna quit working and getting better the kid is a fighter and the best is yet to come.

And i keep hearing how the Diggs trade made Allen better which is true to some extent but Diggs had a career year because of the QB he had, he aint putting up those numbers with Kirk Cousins

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

This game was fun for all of nine seconds. Special teams turnover touchdown. Then boink..9-0

 

Heck of a job from the Chiefs taking our receivers out of the game. It was easy to see from many of the replays the tight coverage coupled with piss poor o line play tonight. Not absolving Josh from some dumb decisions throwing into double coverage vs underneath but I bet more often than not our guys lost the battle. 
 

Disappointed that we didn’t do something more on defence. At the very least you have to take either Kelce or Hill out of the game. I’d have two guys on Kelce at all times and live and die with it. Because what we did today was absolutely nothing. It was pitch and catch for them. 
 

If there is value at running back at pick 29-30 or Free Agency I’m not opposed. Devin is done. We are one dimensional until then. Rolling with Tj Yeldon in an AFC  title game isn’t good enough. 

 

[noacls]

Tre White=over rated

[Boatdrinks]

A somewhat disturbing ending to a mostly excellent season. I’d certainly have been fine with a close, competitive loss, but this was something else. This felt very much like the ‘90s Super Bowl losses ( aside from XXV) and last year’s Houston loss rolled into one. The final quarter was into embarrassing territory. The coaching staff did not acquit themselves well, and the settling for FGs Vs an offense like the Chiefs was almost Jauron- like conservative. I loved Allen’s season, but tonight won’t do much to remove the negative narratives on him. About as bad an end to a great season that one could imagine. 

[WideNine]

2 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said:

I think when we have time to take a deep breath and look back on this season it will become even more impressive that the Bills Offense was as good as it was considering we had next to no running game to compliment at all...It really is amazing. 

 

I am getting into my comfortable "on to the draft and FA mode"

 

If this team is going to go further they need to upgrade their interior o-line and d-line. Beane also has to consider that his high-priced d-line struggles to do what  many 4-man fronts can, generate pressure and stop the run without committing a lot of extra rushers.

 

I still am not sold on Edmunds and Oliver. Not sure if it is scheme or ability, but too many games pass where they mostly disappear. Edmunds had a good game agaist the Ravens, I would have preferred if the used him to try to cover Kelci today rather than roam the middle like a big useless nickel back.

 

I am going to check out before I get too cranky. Good season still, there are plenty of teams worse, but KC has our number till this coaching staff and players can prove otherwise.

 

 

 

 

 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

I knew were in trouble when we lost the coin toss (just kidding); but we had won the toss and deferred like 5 games in a row.  The mojo was eschewed at that point  

[ngbills]

I hope this is the midpoint and not the peak of the mountain. 

[WideNine]

1 hour ago, WideNine said:

 

Allen has to learn that those dump offs and passes underneath are money too.

 

How many of KC's dinks and dunks went for big RAC yards? Did Mahomes have to hit a lot of deep home runs or was he just able to keep taking what Frazier was giving him and work down the field? Admittedly KC seems better at tackling to ensure less RAC and the Bills D struggles with that, but the point remains.

 

That is the lesson that Allen has gotten at times this year, but has to be reinforced. There are no style points.

 

 

 

In fairness as Allen alluded in his presser I just watched, KC did a good job of disguising.

 

Showing blitz and backing off, showing zone and blitzing, and showing zone but switching to playing man deeper.

 

They did a lot of things that kept that ball in his hands longer - Hard to let this one go.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 25, 2021 by WideNine

[Fred Slacks]

1 hour ago, WideNine said:

 

Beasley and Knox were open underneath a lot. 

 

There were a few plays where Beasley had the sticks, but Allen tried to force it deeper to Digs who was bracketed. It was a good plan by KC to take advantage of Allen's tendency to prefer to wait for a deeper options to develop, plus take away his Diggs safety blanket.

 

I think Dabs could have done more bunch concepts and shallow crossers to mess with their man defense or force them into more predictable zone play.

 

He didn't.

This. Allen needs to throw the underneath stuff more early and often. That opens up the rest of the field later. He wasn’t. Then he takes unnecessary sacks which put us in horrible down and distance. 
 

those complaining about the defensive game plan or Tre White not being matched up on their elite players need to rewatch the tape. Most of their big passes were short passes that broke for long yardage. Many of which were Tre White in coverage. A few times getting burnt off the line of scrimmage. 
 

we just need more speed on defense. More talent on D-line. Another stud CB. Preferably one who can handle man coverage. Offense I think we have people open. JA just needs to learn to be quicker on getting the ball out. More patient for the big plays. They were covering the deep stuff take the dump offs. That’s why Brady has been good all these years. Not because he hits on deep balls. It’s because he keeps the sticks moving. Dumps off to RB’s and has a 100 reception slot guy every season. 

[BillsFan619]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

Proud of this team and proud of this season. 
 

1. We were so ill prepared for this KC team, it’s almost baffling.

 

2. Really hoping this isn’t our version of the Rams or Eagles. 
 

3. I am at a point where the hype machine for KC is turned up so high, that I’m split on who I want to see win, KC or TB. I don’t want another year of Mahomes being the prodigal son. 

Easy one for me. Go with the Bucs.

 

TB is already considered by most to be the GOAT. So, him winning again won’t change his narrative as much.

 

But if Mahomes wins, the narrative will be relentless especially with the whole Allen and Mahomes debate. Yuck!

[KOKBILLS]

20 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

I am getting into my comfortable "on to the draft and FA mode"

 

If this team is going to go further they need to upgrade their interior o-line and d-line. Beane also has to consider that his high-priced d-line struggles to do what  many 4-man fronts can, generate pressure and stop the run without committing a lot of extra rushers.

 

I still am not sold on Edmunds and Oliver. Not sure if it is scheme or ability, but too many games pass where they mostly disappear. Edmunds had a good game agaist the Ravens, I would have preferred if the used him to try to cover Kelci today rather than roam the middle like a big useless nickel back.

 

I am going to check out before I get too cranky. Good season still, there are plenty of teams worse, but KC has our number till this coaching staff and players can prove otherwise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

There was one crossing route early in the game where Edmunds dropped in zone and literally ran the opposite direction with Hill flashing behind him and I yelled "Where the hell are you going!" 😂

[Fred Slacks]

45 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Don’t care what anyone says. We did not show up, played like we were lucky to be there. On to next year. 

Somehow kc was open all night.  They had a better scheme. 

KC’s WR’s were so open it looked easy. Every one of our completions looked contested. Even the swing routes. It definitely was a scheme/coaching issue. One that hopefully McDermott can recognize fault and look for talent in the offseason to allow for better game planning. I have hope/faith they can. KC is beatable. We have a ways to go to get there though. That was evident tonight. 

[WideNine]

1 minute ago, Fred Slacks said:

This. Allen needs to throw the underneath stuff more early and often. That opens up the rest of the field later. He wasn’t. Then he takes unnecessary sacks which put us in horrible down and distance. 
 

those complaining about the defensive game plan or Tre White not being matched up on their elite players need to rewatch the tape. Most of their big passes were short passes that broke for long yardage. Many of which were Tre White in coverage. A few times getting burnt off the line of scrimmage. 
 

we just need more speed on defense. More talent on D-line. Another stud CB. Preferably one who can handle man coverage. Offense I think we have people open. JA just needs to learn to be quicker on getting the ball out. More patient for the big plays. They were covering the deep stuff take the dump offs. That’s why Brady has been good all these years. Not because he hits on deep balls. It’s because he keeps the sticks moving. Dumps off to RB’s and has a 100 reception slot guy every season. 

 

Yeah. 

 

KC was doing some good things on defense too, waiting for Allen to call protections and plays then switching things up before the snap. Did a good job of disguising looks too. It was a tough game all around.