Mahomes passed all tests last night, appears to be pinched nerve, not a concussion

[johnnywo]

1 hour ago, Figster said:

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=15491771#post15491771

 

 

Poster from Chiefs forum who tried to chime in here on TBD

 

Are we avoiding posters from with an IP from out West? (Anyone who can answer the question) wondering minds want to know

So Mahomes got hit with a can Neck Pinch? 

[Figster]

43 minutes ago, johnnywo said:

So Mahomes got hit with a can Neck Pinch? 

I'm not sure what your asking

 

From my understanding the neck concussion can cause similar symptoms as a head concussion.

[bigduke6]

ive heard Mahomes basically got choked out.   looks like concussion when he gets up but its just lack of blood to the brain for a short time.

i fully expect him to be the QB for the game.

 

his toe tho is another matter.

[Matt_In_NH]

When he said to relish the moment he meant “ketchup and mustard” the moment right?

[Doc]

The "brachial stun" theory is BS.  For starters, in a "brachial stun," the person gets knocked-out cold.  Mahomes didn't.  Second of all, it takes a severe blow to the carotid sinus area, not just brief pressure.  Pressure to the carotid sinus is used to try and break episodes of supraventricular tachycardia (SVT) but patients never pass out from it or even exhibit wobbly legs.

 

2 hours ago, Brennan Huff said:

A month ago this guy was the biggest supporter we had in the national media. Now it seems like he may be off his meds. He said yesterday we were the worst team left in the playoffs 

 

He's a bandwagoning moron.  He's the kid in school who started following the championship winning teams the first year he started watching sports and then changed teams later-on to the next champion.

Edited January 20, 2021 by Doc

[HappyDays]

4 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

I think you should be in concussion protocol.  

 

Don't you mean pinched nerve protocol?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Thought this article spelled out pretty clearly:

1) doesn't matter if Mahomes had a concussion or not, he's in the league's concussion protocol

2) that means he has to undergo the steps laid out in the article and clear each one (per independent neurologist) before is cleared

 

I believe each step requires time and re-testing so it's effectively one step per day

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30736432/patrick-mahomes-nfl-concussion-protocol-needs-happen-chiefs-star-play-bills

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

Looks to me that the front of his face mask smacked the ground which probably jarred his head to back of his helmet.

 

 

Edited January 20, 2021 by Lieutenant Aldo Raine

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, The Wiz said:

Does anyone have clarity on the actual length of each step?  Are players able to go from step 1 to step 3 in a day or do they have to go through each step per day without any adverse side-effects before they move onto the next step?

 

It's my understanding 1 step per day because part of the protocol is to see if there's a delayed reaction to each step eg if you do a heavy aerobic workout do you have have symptoms that evening or wake up with symptoms?

[Nextmanup]

13 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It's my understanding 1 step per day because part of the protocol is to see if there's a delayed reaction to each step eg if you do a heavy aerobic workout do you have have symptoms that evening or wake up with symptoms?

I've been trying to find the answer to this question all week.  This story continues to be *horribly* reported.

I do not think progression through the stages is as regimented as 1 per day.  I think it could move faster, in theory.

 

It sounded all week like KC wanted to get Mahomes to roughly stage 4 by Wednesday (light football activity with no contact).

 

It's amazing to me how underreported his condition remains.

 

I think most people (including media) just assume he will play in the game Sunday, so it's not a big story.

 

His practice week is definitely going to be impaired, however.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

28 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

I've been trying to find the answer to this question all week.  This story continues to be *horribly* reported.

I do not think progression through the stages is as regimented as 1 per day.  I think it could move faster, in theory.

 

No, I think it's one stage per day, watch for delayed symptoms.  To be fair, the league's policy is that players in concussion protocal can not be reported on so there's that hindrance.  The big variable is Stage 1.  I think a player can be in Stage 1 the same day as the game if all tests normal.

 

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It sounded all week like KC wanted to get Mahomes to roughly stage 4 by Wednesday (light football activity with no contact).

 

Well, for a QB who practices all week in a red "non contact" jersey, that's kind of a no-brainer......

 

Stage 1 is the player has to be at baseline with regard to his cognitive testing, balance, and other symptoms.  I believe they could have performed these tests on Sunday night.  They might also have performed CT scans and/or MRIs to look for spinal injury and bleeding.  That might be what Reid was referring to when he said Mahomes had passed some big tests "last night" in his Monday presser.

 

That would allow him (assuming no new symptoms) to do Stage 2 on Monday, tests and Stage 3 on Tuesday, and be in Stage 4 on Weds.

 

But Mahomes can be out at practice in Stage 3 and work on the sidelines/do drills ("mimic sports-related activities") so if he practices today (limited) all we can tell is he's either in Stage 3 or 4. 

 

The bottom line is if he's not having symptoms and his testing is baseline, there's a very good chance he plays Sunday.

 

 

[wppete]

Pinched nerve!!!!! 😂. Hilarious! 

Edited January 20, 2021 by wppete

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

16 hours ago, Doc said:

The "brachial stun" theory is BS.  For starters, in a "brachial stun," the person gets knocked-out cold.  Mahomes didn't.  Second of all, it takes a severe blow to the carotid sinus area, not just brief pressure.  Pressure to the carotid sinus is used to try and break episodes of supraventricular tachycardia (SVT) but patients never pass out from it or even exhibit wobbly legs.

I asked a girl out in high school and she initially said yes, but then told me she couldn’t go because she was having intermittent episodes of supraventricular tachycardia and couldn’t go.  
 

Are you telling me it’s actually a thing??!  Those poor poor bunny rabbits. 

[GottaRun]

I can't imagine trying to throw a football with a pinched nerve in my neck, that's gotta hurt... doesn't it?  I've barely been able to turn my head the few times I've pinched a nerve in my life.

[Patrick Duffy]

15 hours ago, RunJoshRun said:

GOOD!  I  wouldn't want to beat KC without their main man!

Why? I mean I get where you're coming from to a point. However, I don't give a hamster ***** how the Bills win. If PM doesn't play and the Bills happen to get the W, I most definitely will be 100% satisfied. Also couldn't care less about the media attempting to down play the victory (if it happens) because he was out.

 

Just win!

6 minutes ago, driddles said:

I can't imagine trying to throw a football with a pinched nerve in my neck, that's gotta hurt... doesn't it?  I've barely been able to turn my head the few times I've pinched a nerve in my life.

Yeah me too. Have had it happened to me only once, but I sure do remember the pain. I also could not turn my head without hurting pretty bad. 

[Doc]

2 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I asked a girl out in high school and she initially said yes, but then told me she couldn’t go because she was having intermittent episodes of supraventricular tachycardia and couldn’t go.  
 

Are you telling me it’s actually a thing??!  Those poor poor bunny rabbits. 

 

With her, likely not.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

9 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

With her, likely not.

Unnecessarily hurtful. 

[Stanley Lombardi]

2 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I asked a girl out in high school and she initially said yes, but then told me she couldn’t go because she was having intermittent episodes of supraventricular tachycardia and couldn’t go.  
 

 

None of my girlfriends were that inventive.

[Dukestreetking]

2 hours ago, driddles said:

I can't imagine trying to throw a football with a pinched nerve in my neck, that's gotta hurt... doesn't it?

 

Not a Dr/Not a Dr... but I assume Mr Mahomes will be well acquainted w Mr Toradal. And perhaps some other Messrs.

[Greg S]

Hopefully the Bills can get pressure on him and hit him as much as possible. He most likely won't be 100 percent for this game. If the Bills hit him often maybe he doesn't finish the game.

[DrDawkinstein]

20 hours ago, bigduke6 said:

ive heard Mahomes basically got choked out.   looks like concussion when he gets up but its just lack of blood to the brain for a short time.

i fully expect him to be the QB for the game.

 

his toe tho is another matter.

 

That is all a lie put out by KC, with zero science to back it. They are grasping at straws so they dont seem so negligent when he plays on Sunday. But it absolutely was a concussion, and definitely not being choked out or pinched nerve that gave him those symptoms.

 

He may have a pinched nerve in his neck as well. But that isnt what knocked him for a loop.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

He runs pretty well for a guy with only one toe!

[GottaRun]

1 hour ago, Dukestreetking said:

 

Not a Dr/Not a Dr... but I assume Mr Mahomes will be well acquainted w Mr Toradal. And perhaps some other Messrs.

I just can't imagine it working, maybe after I see him roll out to the right and hit Kelce 20 yards down the field without flinching all while having Jerry Hughes barreling in on him I'll believe it.  For now I don't think it will work and he's going to be subpar.    I'm a bigger believer in him being un-phased after a concussion than I am in him being un-phased after a pinched nerve.

Edited January 20, 2021 by driddles

[Rico]

1 hour ago, Greg S said:

Hopefully the Bills can get pressure on him and hit him as much as possible. He most likely won't be 100 percent for this game. If the Bills hit him often maybe he doesn't finish the game.

Yep, gotta beat the hell out of him.... should’ve done it in the first game.

[Dukestreetking]

47 minutes ago, driddles said:

I just can't imagine it working, maybe after I see him roll out to the right and hit Kelce 20 yards down the field without flinching all while having Jerry Hughes barreling in on him I'll believe it.  For now I don't think it will work and he's going to be subpar.    I'm a bigger believer in him being un-phased after a concussion than I am in him being un-phased after a pinched nerve.

Fair point; could be right. Kinetic chain maybe too messed up??

 

But creative, incentivized folks--we called them "Voodoo Docs"--can do some pretty amazing things (Yes, price is paid on back end).**

 

Ex: injured (not wounded) on a UH-60. Debilitating symptoms. Couldn't safely operate M4, etc. Declared non-operational by base Dr.

 

Went to see the "VDs". Several injections (1-2 Toradal, others don't recall). Oral painkillers. Good to go w/n, I think, a wk or so.

 

But that's out in "the wild". Not sure if it quite applies here.

 

And remember kids: narcotics and firearms may constitute a safety hazard! So be careful out there.

 

**Example obviously doesn't apply if PH has a "real" concussion.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[machine gun kelly]

I’m not a doctor so I’ll defer if others are speculating with more detail, but you can look like a concussion of you have one of you’re carotid and jugular temporarily pinched off.  I used to work doing carotid stents for some of the best interventional rads, Neuro interventional rads, and so on.  It’s impossible to tell from the video.

 

it could’ve been a concussion, possibly a nerve, or what is reported.  The chiefs can’t hide anything as it’s an independent Neuro who evals the concussion from their off season e v a l. What he is at now.  I don’t know and even Dr. Chao, the guy on NFLR says he doesn’t know for sure (prior Chargers team doc and who many interview on these things).

 

if it was a nerve or blood flow cut off temporarily, he would be much better now rather than a concussion.  I called one of my buddies I used to support his INR cases (the brain docs who do strokes and things like this issue).  The doc said if it was a nerve or blood flow loss, it would definitely be temporary and if you didn’t have an obstruction on the other carotid, the other would just compensate.

 

Hey if a concussion, that Neuro has to clear him and his license is in play.  Does it really matter?  I want to beat the Chiefs with him playing.  No BS, we didn’t belong in the SB.  We were the better team, and I think we are the better team.  We’ll find out Sunday night.

[bigduke6]

17 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

That is all a lie put out by KC, with zero science to back it. They are grasping at straws so they dont seem so negligent when he plays on Sunday. But it absolutely was a concussion, and definitely not being choked out or pinched nerve that gave him those symptoms.

 

He may have a pinched nerve in his neck as well. But that isnt what knocked him for a loop.

thats fine,  entitled to your opinion,  but thats all it is,  an opinion.   no science to back up your theory either.   you have as much info as i do.  none.

 

the only thing we have is the footage,  and at no point does his head make any type of serious impact.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

He sang 'Rainbow Connection'; was pronounced fit for duty.

[CLTbills]

7 minutes ago, bigduke6 said:

thats fine,  entitled to your opinion,  but thats all it is,  an opinion.   no science to back up your theory either.   you have as much info as i do.  none.

 

the only thing we have is the footage,  and at no point does his head make any type of serious impact.

Agreed, but the head doesn't need to make impact to cause a concussion.

 

A concussion is caused, basically, by your brain impacting the inside of your skull. All it takes is a sudden stop/change of motion. People get them in car accidents all the time, even though their head didn't impact anything.

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, bigduke6 said:

thats fine,  entitled to your opinion,  but thats all it is,  an opinion.   no science to back up your theory either.   you have as much info as i do.  none.

 

the only thing we have is the footage,  and at no point does his head make any type of serious impact.

 

No, its not a theory. Numerous medical professionals have chimed in on this all over the net, plus its obvious to anyone with basic knowledge of concussions and sleeper holds. The symptoms he exhibited that everyone saw are indicative of a Traumatic Brain Injury, not a sleeper hold or "pinched nerve". There is also no such nerve that gets pinched and knocks you out and/or makes your legs wobbly. This is medical science and facts.

 

I wasnt trying to crap on your post or what you had to say. My point is directed at the Chiefs for lying in order to skirt the issue.

 

The dude gets slammed onto the top of his head. It was a concussion. There could also be pinched nerves and a neck injury, but there was definitely a concussion.

[CommonCents]

4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

No, its not a theory. Numerous medical professionals have chimed in on this all over the net, plus its obvious to anyone with basic knowledge of concussions and sleeper holds. The symptoms he exhibited that everyone saw are indicative of a Traumatic Brain Injury, not a sleeper hold or "pinched nerve". There is also no such nerve that gets pinched and knocks you out and/or makes your legs wobbly. This is medical science and facts.

 

I wasnt trying to crap on your post or what you had to say. My point is directed at the Chiefs for lying in order to skirt the issue.

 

The dude gets slammed onto the top of his head. It was a concussion. There could also be pinched nerves and a neck injury, but there was definitely a concussion.

I agree with your post, I wonder how the Bills would have handled this same situation. It’s a tough call for everyone involved. I hope he gets to play and there is no further damage.Same as I would if it had been Allen.

 

Even as competitive as fans get they shouldn’t blur the lines that “knocking”

him out of this game would be a good thing. It wouldn’t. The more scrutiny the league and teams get the harder it is for these guys to clear and play. 

 

I hope we beat him and he is shaking hands after it’s all over. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

2 minutes ago, CommonCents said:

I agree with your post, I wonder how the Bills would have handled this same situation. It’s a tough call for everyone involved. I hope he gets to play and there is no further damage.Same as I would if it had been Allen.

 

Even as competitive as fans get they shouldn’t blur the lines that “knocking”

him out of this game would be a good thing. It wouldn’t. The more scrutiny the league and teams get the harder it is for these guys to clear and play. 

 

I hope we beat him and he is shaking hands after it’s all over. 

I am pretty sure the Bills would be handling it the very opposite of what the chiefs are doing. They seem to be great about medical and health issues.  You wouldn’t see McD spitballing about how it was “wind knocked out of him” too. 

[BearNorth]

Someone mentioned dosing him with toradol or some other pain killer before the game.  Those tend to slow down your reaction times, ? could that affect his time from snap to release? Even a couple of tenths of a second slower can mean the difference between getting hit as he throws and a clean pocket.

 

[Jpsredemption]

Again we are watching a scam take place before our eyes. If this were during the regular season there is no way he plays the following week. 

[Brand J]

Just saw an interesting stat: since Mahomes has been in the NFL, the Chiefs have only lost 9 times, including playoff games, and not once by double digits. Would be a great time to give him that first double digit L.

[MJS]

33 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said:

Again we are watching a scam take place before our eyes. If this were during the regular season there is no way he plays the following week. 

Allen got knocked out of the Patriots game his second season with a concussion and was practicing by Wednesday a couple days later and he played the next game.

 

Mahomes is in the concussion protocol. People can say whatever they want about the injury, but it is a fact that he is in the protocol. And it appears he is in stage 4. He will have to be cleared by an independent neurologist. And if he plays, that means he was cleared. And there are countless examples of players who played the next week after a concussion.

On 1/19/2021 at 8:34 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

It's my understanding 1 step per day because part of the protocol is to see if there's a delayed reaction to each step eg if you do a heavy aerobic workout do you have have symptoms that evening or wake up with symptoms?

If he practiced Wednesday he was in stage 4 already. If it's one per day that means he had to pass stage 1 on Sunday and be on stage 2 already by Monday. I'm not sure how it works, but that does seem plausible.

[Patrick Duffy]

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

Allen got knocked out of the Patriots game his second season with a concussion and was practicing by Wednesday a couple days later and he played the next game.

 

Mahomes is in the concussion protocol. People can say whatever they want about the injury, but it is a fact that he is in the protocol. And it appears he is in stage 4. He will have to be cleared by an independent neurologist. And if he plays, that means he was cleared. And there are countless examples of players who played the next week after a concussion.

Allen didn't have trouble standing and needed help like PM either though.

[MJS]

Just now, Patrick_Duffy said:

Allen didn't have trouble standing and needed help like PM either though.

I'm not sure that matters, though. It comes down to getting back to your baseline stats. And Allen is a tough SOB.