PrimeTime101 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) Just to give you an idea where Josh is compared to the last 9 QB's that got MVP in the last 10 years. 2010. Tom Brady 3900 Yards, 65.9% Completion, 36 TD, 4 INT, 117.2 Rate 2011. Aaron Rodgers 4643 Yards, 68.3% Completion, 45 TD, 6 INT, 122.5 Rate 2013. Peyton Manning 5477 Yards, 68.3% Completion, 55 TD, 10 INT, 115.1 Rate 2014. Aaron Rodgers 4381 Yards, 65.6% Completion, 38 TD, 5 INT, 112.2 Rate 2015. Cam Newton 3837 Yards, 59.8% Completion, 35 TD, 10 INT, 99.4 Rate Rushing 636 yards, 10 TD----------------*45 total TD 2016. Mat Ryan 4944 Yards, 69.9% Completion, 38 TD, 7 INT, 117.1 Rate 2017. Tom Brady 4577 Yards, 66.3% Completion, 32TD, 8 INT 117.2 Rate 2018. Patrick Mahomes 5097 Yards, 66.3% Completion, 50 TD, 12 INT 113.8 Rate Rushing 272 Yards, 2 TD 52 total 2019. Lamar Jackson 3127 yards, 66.1% Completion, 36 TD, 6 INT, 113.3 Rate Rushing 1206 Yards 7TD ************** 4333 total yards 43 total TD 2020 Josh Allen 4320 Yards, 69.1 Completion, 34 TD, 9 INT, 106.4 Rate Rushing 418, 8TD ==================== 4738 total Yards 42 total TD 1 Reception TD = 43 total So more total yards then Lamar last year, about the same TD, little less Rate, more INT. To me... You have apples in what Lamar did last year and orange in what Mahomes did the year before. I also see how close Josh is to cams year in 2015 so bottom line.. Compare and tell me what years Josh is better this year compared to that year? I also feel Josh's Injury affected him this year but this topic is just based on where Josh stands.. not excuses.. not MVP topic. Thoughts. Edited December 30, 2020 by PrimeTime101 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Josh also has a receiving TD. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 36 +7 =43 for Lamar Same number as Allen this year because you left out his receiving TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted December 30, 2020 Author Share Posted December 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Josh also has a receiving TD. added 2 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: 36 +7 =43 for Lamar Same number as Allen this year because you left out his receiving TD. fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Basically if this were 2010, 2014, 2015, 2016 or 2017 Allen would likely win. It's tough to win the MVP. But I have no doubt he'll win multiple before all is said and done. Kind of surprised they don't give one out for each conference. I looked at the history and they started to do that back in the day for about 10-15 years and then stopped in like 1980. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 That 2013 Manning season is absurd. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted December 30, 2020 Author Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Basically if this were 2010, 2014, 2015, 2016 or 2017 Allen would likely win. It's tough to win the MVP. But I have no doubt he'll win multiple before all is said and done. Kind of surprised they don't give one out for each conference. I looked at the history and they started to do that back in the day for about 10-15 years and then stopped in like 1980. 2010 Yes 2014 Yes 2015 Its close lol 2016 Yes 2017 Yes I cant disagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzonzo Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Dont know if I am the only one, but I dont Josh wins MVP this season. He is extremlly competitive and I prefer he has this chip in his shoulder and destroy the rivals next season (again). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted December 30, 2020 Author Share Posted December 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, BruceVilanch said: That 2013 Manning season is absurd. I agree.. those numbers wont be beat for a while.. lol Just now, Gonzonzo said: Dont know if I am the only one, but I dont Josh wins MVP this season. He is extremlly competitive and I prefer he has this chip in his shoulder and destroy the rivals next season (again). read up.. I don't want to talk about MVP for this year.. there is enough topics on this.. This is just comparing from prior MVP's and the Direction Allen is going. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Stat comparison should be more for Offensive Player of the Year. MVP is supposed to be a different concept. Josh and Rodgers are pretty close as to who is more valuable to his team. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Just now, PrimeTime101 said: I agree.. those numbers wont be beat for a while.. lol Well, they are adding a 17th game unfortunately so might not be that long. But adjusted for a 16 game season, yeah it could be a while. But I do think we will start to see more TD's. Wouldn't be shocked at all to see a QB combine for 63 or 64 total TD's soon which would basically be an adjusted total of 60 for a 16 game season. Maybe it is just this hot streak where Allen has 8 TD's in two games but I feel like Allen can get 3 TD's in his sleep. Heck, he should have had about 14 these last two games if he had played the entire game and not had some dropped/called back. It's literally only a matter of time before Allen totals 7 in a game. Only question would be will the game be close enough for him to be still in it. Just now, Kelly the Dog said: Stat comparison should be more for Offensive Player of the Year. MVP is supposed to be a different concept. Josh and Rodgers are pretty close as to who is more valuable to his team. Great point that definitely seems to be lost. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 57 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: Just to give you an idea where Josh is compared to the last 9 QB's that got MVP in the last 10 years. 2010. Tom Brady 3900 Yards, 65.9% Completion, 36 TD, 4 INT, 117.2 Rate 2011. Aaron Rodgers 4643 Yards, 68.3% Completion, 45 TD, 6 INT, 122.5 Rate 2013. Peyton Manning 5477 Yards, 68.3% Completion, 55 TD, 10 INT, 115.1 Rate 2014. Aaron Rodgers 4381 Yards, 65.6% Completion, 38 TD, 5 INT, 112.2 Rate 2015. Cam Newton 3837 Yards, 59.8% Completion, 35 TD, 10 INT, 99.4 Rate Rushing 636 yards, 10 TD----------------*45 total TD 2016. Mat Ryan 4944 Yards, 69.9% Completion, 38 TD, 7 INT, 117.1 Rate 2017. Tom Brady 4577 Yards, 66.3% Completion, 32TD, 8 INT 117.2 Rate 2018. Patrick Mahomes 5097 Yards, 66.3% Completion, 50 TD, 12 INT 113.8 Rate Rushing 272 Yards, 2 TD 52 total 2019. Lamar Jackson 3127 yards, 66.1% Completion, 36 TD, 6 INT, 113.3 Rate Rushing 1206 Yards 7TD ************** 4333 total yards 43 total TD 2020 Josh Allen 4320 Yards, 69.1 Completion, 34 TD, 9 INT, 106.4 Rate Rushing 418, 8TD ==================== 4738 total Yards 42 total TD 1 Reception TD = 43 total So more total yards then Lamar last year, about the same TD, little less Rate, more INT. To me... You have apples in what Lamar did last year and orange in what Mahomes did the year before. I also see how close Josh is to cams year in 2015 so bottom line.. Compare and tell me what years Josh is better this year compared to that year? I also feel Josh's Injury affected him this year but this topic is just based on where Josh stands.. not excuses.. not MVP topic. Thoughts. He’s technically had a better or at least as good a season as 2010,2011, 2014,2015,2017, and 2019 why he’s not league MVP with a much tougher schedule then Rogers has played is beyond me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted December 30, 2020 Author Share Posted December 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: He’s technically had a better or at least as good a season as 2010,2011, 2014,2015,2017, and 2019 why he’s not league MVP with a much tougher schedule then Rogers has played is beyond me agree 45 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Stat comparison should be more for Offensive Player of the Year. MVP is supposed to be a different concept. Josh and Rodgers are pretty close as to who is more valuable to his team. So name all the things you think they look at in deciding an MVP. If you think baseline stats is something they don't look at then your sadly mistaken. If you think that numbers is part of the equation then what's the other parts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 hour ago, PrimeTime101 said: Just to give you an idea where Josh is compared to the last 9 QB's that got MVP in the last 10 years. 2010. Tom Brady 3900 Yards, 65.9% Completion, 36 TD, 4 INT, 117.2 Rate 2011. Aaron Rodgers 4643 Yards, 68.3% Completion, 45 TD, 6 INT, 122.5 Rate 2013. Peyton Manning 5477 Yards, 68.3% Completion, 55 TD, 10 INT, 115.1 Rate 2014. Aaron Rodgers 4381 Yards, 65.6% Completion, 38 TD, 5 INT, 112.2 Rate 2015. Cam Newton 3837 Yards, 59.8% Completion, 35 TD, 10 INT, 99.4 Rate Rushing 636 yards, 10 TD----------------*45 total TD 2016. Mat Ryan 4944 Yards, 69.9% Completion, 38 TD, 7 INT, 117.1 Rate 2017. Tom Brady 4577 Yards, 66.3% Completion, 32TD, 8 INT 117.2 Rate 2018. Patrick Mahomes 5097 Yards, 66.3% Completion, 50 TD, 12 INT 113.8 Rate Rushing 272 Yards, 2 TD 52 total 2019. Lamar Jackson 3127 yards, 66.1% Completion, 36 TD, 6 INT, 113.3 Rate Rushing 1206 Yards 7TD ************** 4333 total yards 43 total TD 2020 Josh Allen 4320 Yards, 69.1 Completion, 34 TD, 9 INT, 106.4 Rate Rushing 418, 8TD ==================== 4738 total Yards 42 total TD 1 Reception TD = 43 total So more total yards then Lamar last year, about the same TD, little less Rate, more INT. To me... You have apples in what Lamar did last year and orange in what Mahomes did the year before. I also see how close Josh is to cams year in 2015 so bottom line.. Compare and tell me what years Josh is better this year compared to that year? I also feel Josh's Injury affected him this year but this topic is just based on where Josh stands.. not excuses.. not MVP topic. Thoughts. I think you're seriously misusing the word "every" in your headline. This isn't "every QB MVP stat for the lst 10 years." Not even close. It's some stats, the stats that make up passer rating and a few running stats thrown in. As for comparisons, they aren't really fair. QB stats and offensive stats generally are way up this year what with nobody in the stands and defenses not having the offseason to prepare. Still, a hell of a year for Josh. Rodgers' stats are clearly better, though, and probably Mahomes too. But again, an absolutely terrific year for Josh. Oh, and what does this question mean? "Compare and tell me what years Josh is better this year compared to that year?" Hunh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 17 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: agree So name all the things you think they look at in deciding an MVP. If you think baseline stats is something they don't look at then your sadly mistaken. If you think that numbers is part of the equation then what's the other parts? Of course they look at stats the most. Too much. That’s why I said “supposed to be.” By definition it should be a different concept but too often it’s slanted too much toward stats. That, by definition, should be more relevant to OPOY. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: So name all the things you think they look at in deciding an MVP. If you think baseline stats is something they don't look at then your sadly mistaken. If you think that numbers is part of the equation then what's the other parts? I can't answer for him, but I think the main thing they use for MVP is how well a guy plays compared to other candidates that same year. Just the stats: Mahomes 66.3% completions, 4740 yards, 38 TDs to 6 INTs and 108.2 passer rating Rodgers 70.3% completions, 4059 yards, 44 DTs to 5 INTs and 119.4 passer rating. Again, Allen's playing at an elite level right now, but this year has produced a lot of insane offensive statistics. It's not fair to compare this year's stats with other years without accounting for that. Edited December 30, 2020 by Thurman#1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 General thought is that it's insane that he's even putting up a comparable line. Did anybody really expect this by year 3? I'd take '20 Josh Allen over '10 Brady, '14 Rodgers, '15 Newton, '17 Brady, and maybe even Lamar last year. For this year's MVP, the stats are there, it's just a shame that we may be seeing absolute peak Aaron Rodgers this year. I think I even remember some talking heads pondering if the window was starting to shut on Rodgers a year or two ago. Clearly nope. But outside of freak-Rodgers, it's also clear that Allen is putting up MVP numbers right now, and if this is anywhere near his new baseline then he'll get one eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Co-mvps IMO for Allen and Rodgers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Unfortunately he is competing against what Rodgers is doing in 2020, not what Tom Brady did in 2010... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykidsdad Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Josh deserves the mvp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Derrick Henry for MVP? I mean, where are the Titans without Derrick Henry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 The fact that his numbers are competitive on this list is good news for our future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, billspro said: The fact that his numbers are competitive on this list is good news for our future. In a year where he was injured for some games and which was a very tough schedule this year with 1 game remaining still. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 I have it #1 Rodgers, #2 Mahomes & #3 Allen. Allen like Brady can go off in the playoffs carry us to victories over Mahomes & Rodgers & have ultimate bragging rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 5 hours ago, BruceVilanch said: That 2013 Manning season is absurd. And then the ball got snapped over his head..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 I don't think you can compare other years to this year. This year is more offensive stats for all the QBs. So look at his stats compared to the guys this year he is behind Rodgers. 1. Rodgers 2. Allen 3. Mahomes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 4 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Derrick Henry for MVP? I mean, where are the Titans without Derrick Henry? No a RBs WAR is not going to be as big as a QBs. You can replace Derrick Henry and still be fine but I doubt they would be a playoff team without Tannehill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judman Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 They want to give it to Rodgers because he’s the cool kid from the good neighborhood who’s been around for a while. IMO it’s Henry. But I also voted for Sara for prom queen. She lost to Jenna. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artem Lipatov Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Can’t believe Drew Brees haven’t won MVP at least once. He had 5000+ yards seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Josh Allen is having an MVP type season no doubt unfortunately Mahomes and Rodgers are as well. I think that Allen is catching Mahomes more and more every game and with Mahomes likely sitting Allen could very well pass him this weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Given that the award is decided at the end of the regular season I highly doubt Josh will win. He is the underdog and let’s be honest - he looked pedestrian against KC earlier this year. If he had won in a shootout no punt sort of game against KC his odds of winning would be much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seregil42 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 9 hours ago, BruceVilanch said: That 2013 Manning season is absurd. What's even more absurd was that he wasn't a unanimous MVP that year (1 person voted for Brady, of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Your comparison is highly suspect seeing as how you selectively left out Payton’s and Brady’s rushing yards. 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 If MVP is purely a stat award, lets name it that. Most Valuable Player...to his team, to his league, what exactly is the criteria? I have heard people in the media pontificate and it is honestly not clear there is good criteria but the consensus seems to be the most valuable player to his teams success for the year. With any of the players mentioned (Mahomes, Rodgers, Henry, Wilson, Allen, etc) they are all super critical to their teams success. Taking other positions out of it, I think the Bills, Chiefs. Hawks and Packers all have worse records if they did not have their QB's. Which one is most important to their team, which one affects the win-loss record the most? That is a guessing game so that is where it comes down to stats to compare these players. Personally I think Josh falls short when you see what Rodgers and Mahomes have done. I don't think it is disrespect to say that, it does not mean all that much at the end of the day. We will see which team raises the Lombardi soon enough. Rodgers output with the lack of turnovers does is where my (unbiased) vote would go. 9 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said: Just to give you an idea where Josh is compared to the last 9 QB's that got MVP in the last 10 years. 2010. Tom Brady 3900 Yards, 65.9% Completion, 36 TD, 4 INT, 117.2 Rate 2011. Aaron Rodgers 4643 Yards, 68.3% Completion, 45 TD, 6 INT, 122.5 Rate 2013. Peyton Manning 5477 Yards, 68.3% Completion, 55 TD, 10 INT, 115.1 Rate 2014. Aaron Rodgers 4381 Yards, 65.6% Completion, 38 TD, 5 INT, 112.2 Rate 2015. Cam Newton 3837 Yards, 59.8% Completion, 35 TD, 10 INT, 99.4 Rate Rushing 636 yards, 10 TD----------------*45 total TD 2016. Mat Ryan 4944 Yards, 69.9% Completion, 38 TD, 7 INT, 117.1 Rate 2017. Tom Brady 4577 Yards, 66.3% Completion, 32TD, 8 INT 117.2 Rate 2018. Patrick Mahomes 5097 Yards, 66.3% Completion, 50 TD, 12 INT 113.8 Rate Rushing 272 Yards, 2 TD 52 total 2019. Lamar Jackson 3127 yards, 66.1% Completion, 36 TD, 6 INT, 113.3 Rate Rushing 1206 Yards 7TD ************** 4333 total yards 43 total TD 2020 Josh Allen 4320 Yards, 69.1 Completion, 34 TD, 9 INT, 106.4 Rate Rushing 418, 8TD ==================== 4738 total Yards 42 total TD 1 Reception TD = 43 total So more total yards then Lamar last year, about the same TD, little less Rate, more INT. To me... You have apples in what Lamar did last year and orange in what Mahomes did the year before. I also see how close Josh is to cams year in 2015 so bottom line.. Compare and tell me what years Josh is better this year compared to that year? I also feel Josh's Injury affected him this year but this topic is just based on where Josh stands.. not excuses.. not MVP topic. Thoughts. Looking at all those stats shows me Allen still has room to grow, he has not reached his ceiling yet and realistically he can do better than he has this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 A little off topic, but looking up some stats related to this: 1. Brees has exceeded 5,000 yards 5x? Sick. Considering what Josh's 4300 looks like, must have been fun to be a Saints fan. 2. Love this one - Most yards passing in a game is still from 1951: Norm Van Brocklin with 544 yards. NEVER would have guessed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 5 hours ago, BuffaloBill said: Given that the award is decided at the end of the regular season I highly doubt Josh will win. He is the underdog and let’s be honest - he looked pedestrian against KC earlier this year. If he had won in a shootout no punt sort of game against KC his odds of winning would be much better. You wanna talk about the game Rogers played against Tampa he looked like Nathan Peterman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 I think the real thing to evaluate is where do you believe each team is at without their presumptive candidate. I think the Chiefs without Mahomes would still be a .500 team. The Packers without Rodgers are sunk just like the Bills without Allen. I don't know if the Bills would have 4 wins right now, especially with the way the defense was playing for the first 9 or 10 weeks of the season. It would be the same with GB because Rodgers wins no matter who his WR's are out there. Yes, he has Adams. But even when Adams was out they were still winning games. The numbers for all three of the frontrunners are fantastic, but to me it's flip a coin between Rodgers and Allen because they both mean that much to the franchise's success as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 13 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said: Just to give you an idea where Josh is compared to the last 9 QB's that got MVP in the last 10 years. 2010. Tom Brady 3900 Yards, 65.9% Completion, 36 TD, 4 INT, 117.2 Rate 2011. Aaron Rodgers 4643 Yards, 68.3% Completion, 45 TD, 6 INT, 122.5 Rate 2013. Peyton Manning 5477 Yards, 68.3% Completion, 55 TD, 10 INT, 115.1 Rate 2014. Aaron Rodgers 4381 Yards, 65.6% Completion, 38 TD, 5 INT, 112.2 Rate 2015. Cam Newton 3837 Yards, 59.8% Completion, 35 TD, 10 INT, 99.4 Rate Rushing 636 yards, 10 TD----------------*45 total TD 2016. Mat Ryan 4944 Yards, 69.9% Completion, 38 TD, 7 INT, 117.1 Rate 2017. Tom Brady 4577 Yards, 66.3% Completion, 32TD, 8 INT 117.2 Rate 2018. Patrick Mahomes 5097 Yards, 66.3% Completion, 50 TD, 12 INT 113.8 Rate Rushing 272 Yards, 2 TD 52 total 2019. Lamar Jackson 3127 yards, 66.1% Completion, 36 TD, 6 INT, 113.3 Rate Rushing 1206 Yards 7TD ************** 4333 total yards 43 total TD 2020 Josh Allen 4320 Yards, 69.1 Completion, 34 TD, 9 INT, 106.4 Rate Rushing 418, 8TD ==================== 4738 total Yards 42 total TD 1 Reception TD = 43 total So more total yards then Lamar last year, about the same TD, little less Rate, more INT. To me... You have apples in what Lamar did last year and orange in what Mahomes did the year before. I also see how close Josh is to cams year in 2015 so bottom line.. Compare and tell me what years Josh is better this year compared to that year? I also feel Josh's Injury affected him this year but this topic is just based on where Josh stands.. not excuses.. not MVP topic. Thoughts. I appreciate you’re research. I really do and you make a point. With Allen, you have to consider 420 yards rushing and receiving in addition to the 4320. It’s a huge part of his game and why he so dangerous, but you also have to consider last year Lamar’s passing at 3127 passing, and 1206 rushing. He’s an anomaly. im not disagreeing with you at all. I’m just saying you have to look at everything. Passing, Rushing and Receiving, TD to INT, and fumbles lost by the QB. Think of it this way. Most people in retrospect would say Mahomes was truly a better QB than Lamar, but Lamar won, and Mahomes won MVP of the SB. This is the 3rd time I’ll say it, but Brees never won MVP, but he won a SB, has more 70%+ completion years than just about everyone, and will be a good jacket after he retires. I wouldn’t worry about it. Again, appreciate the hard work you put into you’re research and you’re right there is an argument. He repeats and makes it to the AFCC and plays well, and god for bud dare I say it a SB apprearance, or even the taboo wins, no one can deny him being the best QB in the NFL. For the old guys, the future is so bright, we have to wear .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 11 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: I can't answer for him, but I think the main thing they use for MVP is how well a guy plays compared to other candidates that same year. Just the stats: Mahomes 66.3% completions, 4740 yards, 38 TDs to 6 INTs and 108.2 passer rating Rodgers 70.3% completions, 4059 yards, 44 DTs to 5 INTs and 119.4 passer rating. Again, Allen's playing at an elite level right now, but this year has produced a lot of insane offensive statistics. It's not fair to compare this year's stats with other years without accounting for that. Kelly the Dog brings up a great point though. If the award is just the stats or 90% stats why even have the OPOY award. Seems a bit redundant. Or is that now a de facto award that goes to the best offensive player that is not a QB? And of course the MVP now seems a de facto QB award. Common sense would say the award should have some level of value to a teams overall success. The Packers have a dominant running game compared to the Chiefs and Bills. And they have played a much easier schedule. Rodgers, super efficient, but not asked to carry his team every week at anywhere near the same level Mahomes and Allen have been. This point does not seem to be factoring in at all in the discussion amongst the media. I do think at least a handful of voters will factor it in so I expect Allen to get a handful of votes. But otherwise, I do tend to agree. It's just become which QB has the best stats on a team that has 12 + wins? I am a big advocate for Co-MVP's. I mean if Allen were to win it you could easily make the case that Rodgers was snubbed as well. And vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 15 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: You wanna talk about the game Rogers played against Tampa he looked like Nathan Peterman You forget Rogers has a long and sustained history in the league. He hardly has to answer for one poor game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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