BringBackFergy Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Again, follow along here: The greatest contributor to an NFL team's long term success is player evaluation and, more specifically, offensive talent at the QB position. Who was the only analyst to really support Josh Allen, who saw through his "accuracy" issues and evaluated him as a high ceiling guy? Mel Kiper, Jr. Below is a list of just a few experts who laughed at Kiper. Even his contemporary Todd McShay didn't have Allen as the best QB of the 2018 draft. So Mike Mayock gets a gig as a GM for the Raiders...but was never "wowed by Allen" like he was with Carson Wentz. Hmmmm If Mayock can be a GM, so can Mel "Freakin" Kiper. Would be a nice fit for the Jags, Jets, or Lions. He can select QB's and that's half the battle. https://www.forbes.com/sites/vincentfrank/2018/04/21/2018-nfl-draft-selecting-josh-allen-would-be-a-fatal-mistake-for-the-cleveland-browns/?sh=24eb657119e7 (Allen a Fatal Mistake) https://buffalowdown.com/2018/04/25/2018-nfl-draft-why-the-bills-should-pass-on-josh-allen/ (Paolo Sattile) https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2767039-mel-kiper-2018-nfl-mock-draft-josh-allen-to-browns-amid-sam-darnold-rumors (Kiper the only one to evaluate Allen properly) TV personalities are becoming GM's...Mayock, Louis Riddick, etc. Fire away Armchair GM's...after you blow the dust off your Josh Rosen jerseys. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 So can Vinny Cerrato... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Louis Riddick was an NFL Player and Front Office executive who then made the switch into TV. Younger brother to former-Bill Robb Riddick, he grew up in and around the NFL. Mike Mayock was at least an NFL Player for a couple years. Kiper has done nothing except write some articles from his basement. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: Again, follow along here: The greatest contributor to an NFL team's long term success is player evaluation and, more specifically, offensive talent at the QB position. Who was the only analyst to really support Josh Allen, who saw through his "accuracy" issues and evaluated him as a high ceiling guy? Mel Kiper, Jr. Below is a list of just a few experts who laughed at Kiper. Even his contemporary Todd McShay didn't have Allen as the best QB of the 2018 draft. So Mike Mayock gets a gig as a GM for the Raiders...but was never "wowed by Allen" like he was with Carson Wentz. Hmmmm If Mayock can be a GM, so can Mel "Freakin" Kiper. Would be a nice fit for the Jags, Jets, or Lions. He can select QB's and that's half the battle. https://www.forbes.com/sites/vincentfrank/2018/04/21/2018-nfl-draft-selecting-josh-allen-would-be-a-fatal-mistake-for-the-cleveland-browns/?sh=24eb657119e7 (Allen a Fatal Mistake) https://buffalowdown.com/2018/04/25/2018-nfl-draft-why-the-bills-should-pass-on-josh-allen/ (Paolo Sattile) https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2767039-mel-kiper-2018-nfl-mock-draft-josh-allen-to-browns-amid-sam-darnold-rumors (Kiper the only one to evaluate Allen properly) TV personalities are becoming GM's...Mayock, Louis Riddick, etc. Fire away Armchair GM's...after you blow the dust off your Josh Rosen jerseys. https://www.nfl.com/news/mike-mayock-s-2018-nfl-mock-draft-bills-trade-up-for-josh-allen-0ap3000000928583 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 He had a contrarian opinion of Josh Allen ipso facto NFL GM. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Mayock was very high on Josh Allen. He knew what was causing Josh’s accuracy issues https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2018/03/mike_mayock_on_josh_allens_nfl.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsOrDie Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 My Uncle Dave watches a lot of football, he could easily be a GM 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buffalo716 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Mike Mayock was high on Josh Allen. He liked him alot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Well he couldn't do worse than BOB in Houston 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: Mike Mayock was high on Josh Allen. He liked him alot Mayock quoted as saying "None of the 2018 QB's wowed me like Andrew Luck and Carson Wentz"....we know how that ended up. Great analysis Mike!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Just because someone knows the ins and outs of a players college strengths and weaknesses doesn't mean they know how to build a winning, professional roster, to include coach selection and many other things that go along with being a GM. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 minute ago, BringBackFergy said: Mayock quoted as saying "None of the 2018 QB's wowed me like Andrew Luck and Carson Wentz"....we know how that ended up. Great analysis Mike!! Come on dude you're like cherry picking quotes. He thought Carson Wentz was going to be a Hall of famer. That doesn't mean he didn't think allen wasn't good 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: Mayock quoted as saying "None of the 2018 QB's wowed me like Andrew Luck and Carson Wentz"....we know how that ended up. Great analysis Mike!! Mayock insists that Allen (6-4 7/8, 237) is better in some ways than Carson Wentz, who was an NFL MVP candidate before he suffered a season-ending knee injury in December. Wentz had an 11-2 record when he went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 (edited) Kiper also said he would retire if Jimmy Clausen was a bust Edited December 23, 2020 by uticaclub 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 I mean draft picks are a crap shoot. Would a guy who has evaluated players for 20+ years and gone on TV on the record where people can go back to see how accurate he has been be any less worthy than a guy who has no track record that can be verified? At some point when you put in enough hours and if you have a natural talent for it, there will be little difference between them and an actual GM. Now handling contracts and other things that go with being a GM might be a little out of his expertise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Chris Simms loved Josh too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, uticaclub said: Kiper also said he would retire if Jimmy Clausen was a bust He stopped publishing his Draft Report after the 2013 draft, so in a way he did retire. His last 10 top QBs in the printed Draft Reports were: 2013 Geno Smith 2012 Andrew Luck 2011 Blaine Gabbert 2010 Jimmy Clausen 2009 Matt Stafford 2008 Matt Ryan 2007 JaMarcus Russell 2006 Matt Leinart 2005 Alex Smith 2004 Eli Manning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 50 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: Again, follow along here: The greatest contributor to an NFL team's long term success is player evaluation and, more specifically, offensive talent at the QB position. Who was the only analyst to really support Josh Allen, who saw through his "accuracy" issues and evaluated him as a high ceiling guy? Mel Kiper, Jr. Below is a list of just a few experts who laughed at Kiper. Even his contemporary Todd McShay didn't have Allen as the best QB of the 2018 draft. So Mike Mayock gets a gig as a GM for the Raiders...but was never "wowed by Allen" like he was with Carson Wentz. Hmmmm If Mayock can be a GM, so can Mel "Freakin" Kiper. Would be a nice fit for the Jags, Jets, or Lions. He can select QB's and that's half the battle. https://www.forbes.com/sites/vincentfrank/2018/04/21/2018-nfl-draft-selecting-josh-allen-would-be-a-fatal-mistake-for-the-cleveland-browns/?sh=24eb657119e7 (Allen a Fatal Mistake) https://buffalowdown.com/2018/04/25/2018-nfl-draft-why-the-bills-should-pass-on-josh-allen/ (Paolo Sattile) https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2767039-mel-kiper-2018-nfl-mock-draft-josh-allen-to-browns-amid-sam-darnold-rumors (Kiper the only one to evaluate Allen properly) TV personalities are becoming GM's...Mayock, Louis Riddick, etc. Fire away Armchair GM's...after you blow the dust off your Josh Rosen jerseys. I love this gem from the Forbes article. "As to where both UCLA's Josh Rosen and USC's Sam Darnold are seen as can't-miss franchise quarterbacks on the field, Allen has to be coupled in with the group of EJ Manuel and Geno Smith, the first two quarterbacks selected in the 2013 NFL Draft. Experts were split on the two, with Manuel being the only signal caller selected in the first round of that year's draft." That's gotta be embarrassing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Being that Mayock (sp) is no great shakes as a GM, I would expect what’s his face to suck at it too. But that’s just me... Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said: Again, follow along here: The greatest contributor to an NFL team's long term success is player evaluation and, more specifically, offensive talent at the QB position. Who was the only analyst to really support Josh Allen, who saw through his "accuracy" issues and evaluated him as a high ceiling guy? Mel Kiper, Jr. Below is a list of just a few experts who laughed at Kiper. Even his contemporary Todd McShay didn't have Allen as the best QB of the 2018 draft. So Mike Mayock gets a gig as a GM for the Raiders...but was never "wowed by Allen" like he was with Carson Wentz. Hmmmm If Mayock can be a GM, so can Mel "Freakin" Kiper. Would be a nice fit for the Jags, Jets, or Lions. He can select QB's and that's half the battle. https://www.forbes.com/sites/vincentfrank/2018/04/21/2018-nfl-draft-selecting-josh-allen-would-be-a-fatal-mistake-for-the-cleveland-browns/?sh=24eb657119e7 (Allen a Fatal Mistake) https://buffalowdown.com/2018/04/25/2018-nfl-draft-why-the-bills-should-pass-on-josh-allen/ (Paolo Sattile) https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2767039-mel-kiper-2018-nfl-mock-draft-josh-allen-to-browns-amid-sam-darnold-rumors (Kiper the only one to evaluate Allen properly) TV personalities are becoming GM's...Mayock, Louis Riddick, etc. Fire away Armchair GM's...after you blow the dust off your Josh Rosen jerseys. Is this the new “hear me out!” ??? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Florio had an interesting point about these "TV" GMs like Lynch and Mayock and Riddick potentially the other day. They are fits with teams who want to go for an all powerful coach model because NFL teams don't have to let you interview their personnel guys unless the "GM" role for which they are interviewing comes with control of the draft and the 53. So if you are San Fran or Vegas and have already given that control to your Head Coach you options for GM from within the league can be more limited. That said, I don't expect any team would be willing to suffer the ridicule that would come with hiring Kiper. Mayock and Lynch were at least football players at one point themselves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said: Again, follow along here: I like how you say "hear me out!" in such a coy way. 1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said: Fire away Armchair GM's...after you blow the dust off your Josh Rosen jerseys. Which one? He's damn near got as many as Fitz. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said: Again, follow along here: The greatest contributor to an NFL team's long term success is player evaluation and, more specifically, offensive talent at the QB position. Who was the only analyst to really support Josh Allen, who saw through his "accuracy" issues and evaluated him as a high ceiling guy? Mel Kiper, Jr. Below is a list of just a few experts who laughed at Kiper. Even his contemporary Todd McShay didn't have Allen as the best QB of the 2018 draft. So Mike Mayock gets a gig as a GM for the Raiders...but was never "wowed by Allen" like he was with Carson Wentz. Hmmmm If Mayock can be a GM, so can Mel "Freakin" Kiper. Would be a nice fit for the Jags, Jets, or Lions. He can select QB's and that's half the battle. https://www.forbes.com/sites/vincentfrank/2018/04/21/2018-nfl-draft-selecting-josh-allen-would-be-a-fatal-mistake-for-the-cleveland-browns/?sh=24eb657119e7 (Allen a Fatal Mistake) https://buffalowdown.com/2018/04/25/2018-nfl-draft-why-the-bills-should-pass-on-josh-allen/ (Paolo Sattile) https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2767039-mel-kiper-2018-nfl-mock-draft-josh-allen-to-browns-amid-sam-darnold-rumors (Kiper the only one to evaluate Allen properly) TV personalities are becoming GM's...Mayock, Louis Riddick, etc. Fire away Armchair GM's...after you blow the dust off your Josh Rosen jerseys. I rank Todd McShay’s talent evaluation higher than I do Kiper. Plus, I think McS could be had on the cheap and he has more years to give (younger). Edited December 23, 2020 by Beerball 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 That would be about a sane as the Walterfootball guys as GM candidates I remember all the hate they had for Travis Kelce in his draft year and haven't been back since Some guys talk a good game like Mayock...ignores his secondary and gets an $8m BU QB sure he came in and played well but a 6m vet at corner would have helped them all year EJ probably doesn't retire and stays at less than $2m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Again, why are people under-estimating Louis Riddick in this thread? He has 12 years of experience in NFL Front Offices. And not just low-level jobs. As executive: Washington Redskins (2001–2004) Pro scout Washington Redskins (2005–2007) Director of pro personnel Philadelphia Eagles (2008) Pro scout Philadelphia Eagles (2009) Assistant director of pro personnel Philadelphia Eagles (2010–2013) Director of pro personnel It's like calling Jon Gruden a TV analyst turned coach. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: That would be about a sane as the Walterfootball guys as GM candidates I remember all the hate they had for Travis Kelce in his draft year and haven't been back since Some guys talk a good game like Mayock...ignores his secondary and gets an $8m BU QB sure he came in and played well but a 6m vet at corner would have helped them all year EJ probably doesn't retire and stays at less than $2m EJ? He had left and signed for the Chiefs before he retired 2 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: Again, why are people under-estimating Louis Riddick in this thread? He has 12 years of experience in NFL Front Offices. And not just low-level jobs. As executive: Washington Redskins (2001–2004) Pro scout Washington Redskins (2005–2007) Director of pro personnel Philadelphia Eagles (2008) Pro scout Philadelphia Eagles (2009) Assistant director of pro personnel Philadelphia Eagles (2010–2013) Director of pro personnel It's like calling Jon Gruden a TV analyst turned coach. I am talking about Mad Mel. 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: EJ? He had left and signed for the Chiefs before he retired 2 years ago. My mistake I thought he was with the Raiders until he retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 minute ago, JMF2006 said: I am talking about Mad Mel. I wasnt replying to you Just putting it out there for all to see. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 If Louis Riddick gets hired, does ESPN get two 3rd round picks? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said: https://www.nfl.com/news/mike-mayock-s-2018-nfl-mock-draft-bills-trade-up-for-josh-allen-0ap3000000928583 THIS is a HUGELY discombobulated link.....my head hurts....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 hour ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: Chris Simms loved Josh too His dad Phil Simms too. Loved Allen,,, even when the other CBS crew laughed at him saying he's too much of a raw project to earn #7 overall. Phil stood his ground. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 14 minutes ago, Kwai San said: THIS is a HUGELY discombobulated link.....my head hurts....... Sorry Kwai. Mayock predicted the Bills would trade up for Josh. Had them trading with Colts thought. He had high regards for Josh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Matt Millen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 40 minutes ago, BillsfaninChicago said: Matt Millen I liked him as a radio analyst better than as a GM. I think that southern Michigan might agree with me. Probably a few sports historians as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: I liked him as a radio analyst better than as a GM. I think that southern Michigan might agree with me. Probably a few sports historians as well. Precisely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted December 24, 2020 Author Share Posted December 24, 2020 I sense a lot of jealousy and envy in this thread. Other than @GoBills808, myself, @mrags and Mel Kiper, Jr., not one of you preachers had Josh Allen at the top of the draft. I’m obviously not qualified to act as GM (I scout WR’s and QB’s as a hobby). But Kiper can’t do any worse than Mayock or the venerable Louis Riddick (who once worked with the powerful Redskins 5-11 teams) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 I like Maycock. I hope he gets fired soon so we can get him back on TV 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 4 hours ago, zow2 said: His dad Phil Simms too. Loved Allen,,, even when the other CBS crew laughed at him saying he's too much of a raw project to earn #7 overall. Phil stood his ground. Phil is a big film guy. He wouldn't offer an opinion without film study. The people who watched tapes of Josh had a totally different opinion of Josh than the ones who looked at stats. Beane looked at every game Josh played, that & the 3 interviews as well as the phone call the afternoon of the draft where Josh explained the teen Tweets was probably a lot more than most of the GMs and all of the amateurs who do draft writeups did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 6 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: Again, follow along here: The greatest contributor to an NFL team's long term success is player evaluation and, more specifically, offensive talent at the QB position. Who was the only analyst to really support Josh Allen, who saw through his "accuracy" issues and evaluated him as a high ceiling guy? Mel Kiper, Jr. Below is a list of just a few experts who laughed at Kiper. Even his contemporary Todd McShay didn't have Allen as the best QB of the 2018 draft. So Mike Mayock gets a gig as a GM for the Raiders...but was never "wowed by Allen" like he was with Carson Wentz. Hmmmm If Mayock can be a GM, so can Mel "Freakin" Kiper. Would be a nice fit for the Jags, Jets, or Lions. He can select QB's and that's half the battle. https://www.forbes.com/sites/vincentfrank/2018/04/21/2018-nfl-draft-selecting-josh-allen-would-be-a-fatal-mistake-for-the-cleveland-browns/?sh=24eb657119e7 (Allen a Fatal Mistake) https://buffalowdown.com/2018/04/25/2018-nfl-draft-why-the-bills-should-pass-on-josh-allen/ (Paolo Sattile) https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2767039-mel-kiper-2018-nfl-mock-draft-josh-allen-to-browns-amid-sam-darnold-rumors (Kiper the only one to evaluate Allen properly) TV personalities are becoming GM's...Mayock, Louis Riddick, etc. Fire away Armchair GM's...after you blow the dust off your Josh Rosen jerseys. After reading the Forbes article, I will say this, having the 1st overall pick become a bust is much worse than the #7 pick becoming a bust. Was more risk for Cleveland as Allen was likeliest the riskiest selection, he certainly had the most potential upside, but also the most risk. At #7, not so tough a choice to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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