Pegulas openly championing Leslie Frazier for HC openings

[MAJBobby]

Fraizer IMO would be the easiest one to replace with the like of 

 

John Butler

Eric Washington or 

Babich (both) in house that can Run McDs Defense

 

And gets us a pick.

 

Daboll I am less happy about.  I am not sure is Ken Dorsey Ready to run this offense (there are less in house Candidates to install and run an offense.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

I don't think either of our coordinator's get taken this year.  Too many other options: Bineiemy, Butler (Steelers, DC)--who seems to get no love from the national media for a HC position, despite having a great D;  Saleh; Roman; McDaniels; Stefanski; Toub; just to name a few.  

 

Roman to the jets is interesting to me.  He's built some pretty good offenses that are very QB friendly, and i think Lawrence would thrive in that type of situation.  The question is if they can put together a group of 5 linemen to get the run game moving in the right direction, as well as find a running back who can help there - maybe a carson or some combination including ingram after he's cut. 

Just now, MAJBobby said:

Fraizer IMO would be the easiest one to replace with the like of 

 

John Butler

Eric Washington or 

Babich (both) in house that can Run McDs Defense

 

And gets us a pick.

 

Daboll I am less happy about.  I am not sure is Ken Dorsey Ready to run this offense (there are less in house Candidates to install and run an offense.

 

I think they'd probably give Mike Shula a look.  Makes a lot of sense to me - carolina connection with beane/mcd, worked with strong armed cam newton before, has worked with a lot of different QBs in his career.  

Edited December 15, 2020 by dneveu

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I like Frazier but I don’t think he will succeed as a HC. He definitely seems like one of those coordinators that try being a HC then go back to their previous job in 3 years. 

Edited December 15, 2020 by Call_Of_Ktulu

[Victory Formation]

1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

I don't think either of our coordinator's get taken this year.  Too many other options: Bineiemy, Butler (Steelers, DC)--who seems to get no love from the national media for a HC position, despite having a great D;  Saleh; Roman; McDaniels; Stefanski; Toub; just to name a few.  

Daboll is as good as gone.. anything other than that is wishful thinking..

[TheyCallMeAndy]

I’d have no problem with LF leaving, I’m sure we have suitable replacements on the Defense.

 

We MUST keep Ken Dorsey 

[Victory Formation]

12 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Fraizer IMO would be the easiest one to replace with the like of 

 

John Butler

Eric Washington or 

Babich (both) in house that can Run McDs Defense

 

And gets us a pick.

 

Daboll I am less happy about.  I am not sure is Ken Dorsey Ready to run this offense (there are less in house Candidates to install and run an offense.

What has Eric Washington done with our DL?

[SectionC3]

57 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Yeah, Daboll to Chargers is scary

 

Kind of depends on whether the GM sticks around, and on family considerations, I would think.  But it's a plumb job.  Philly might make sense for him if the Eagles want to "fix" Wentz.  Otherwise . . . Dallas, maybe?  Detroit, if they run it back with Stafford? 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, Victory Formation said:

Daboll is as good as gone.. anything other than that is wishful thinking..

 

That's what everyone said about greg roman last year.  Same with Eric Bienemy.  

 

Then McCarthy got a job... Rivera got a job... Stefanski was coordinator for 1 year and was hired.  They pulled Rhule out of college like kingsbury the year before.  Is this the year for a meyer or riley? Who knows?

[That's No Moon]

Just now, Victory Formation said:

Daboll is as good as gone.. anything other than that is wishful thinking..

It's possible he doesn't want to go.  If it's about money, the Pegulas can fix that.  If it's really about wanting the job then yeah he will probably get a shot somewhere.  If he really just wants to live in his hometown, run a good offense with a good QB, and make a boatload of money in a situation he knows with a GM and HC he knows he can do that too.  If he takes the job in LA he's got 2 years to turn it around. Maximum.  Plus you are putting yourself in a division with Mahomes and Gruden. It's not going to be easy.  The Jets job is a tire fire and if he takes that he deserves what he gets.  There will be more but like I said, it depends on what he wants to do.  OCs get to coach.  HCs are like CEOs and delegate quite a bit.  What does he really want?

[MAJBobby]

4 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

What has Eric Washington done with our DL?

In house and can call McDs Defense.

 

Also I would argue the DL has been getting better every week - almost like a bunch of new guys on it with a short to no offseason.  When was the last game they gave 100 yard rusher?

[DCbillsfan]

51 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I totally agree with the fact he is getting a lot of love, but like Bienemay last year, I think teams will want to see another year of top level offensive production from his unit.  

I think Daboll is gone this year.  Daboll is the Bills offensive mind.  Allen has improved each year with Daboll.  Bienemy has Reid as HC and Mahomes who was crazy good right away.  Hard to see exactly Bienemys contribution to the team.  Easier to see with Daboll.

[Just Joshin']

1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

He wants that 3rd rd pick, good for you Pegula

They were pushing before the comp changes.

[brianthomas]

Seeing all this praise & fan worry about Daboll leaving is great. Especially when it wasn't too long ago where tons of Bills fans & posters were constantly saying how much Daboll sucked & how his game plans & play calls were terrible & that he was in over his head.

 

Winning changes everything, as does having talent to open up the playbook & having a qb to execute it. Personally i think Daboll stays, at least for the short term & until we win the Superbowl.

Frasier, as others have said, we could live without

[billsfan89]

I don't think Frazier will get many looks as a Head Coach. Mainly because I think McD gets more "credit" for the defense. However Daboll is getting "credit" for Josh, which means another organization interesting in drafting a young QB would look to get him in to help build and develop. But then again you never know how these owners handle things, The Chiefs OC has been a HC candidate for two years and he hasn't gotten a job.

[Warcodered]

20 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Fraizer IMO would be the easiest one to replace with the like of 

 

John Butler

Eric Washington or 

Babich (both) in house that can Run McDs Defense

 

And gets us a pick.

 

Daboll I am less happy about.  I am not sure is Ken Dorsey Ready to run this offense (there are less in house Candidates to install and run an offense.

Yep replacing the DC has to be much easier for us just have to have/find someone that'll do what McDermott tells them to. Which is also why it's less likely Frazier gets picked up. Also have to wonder if he'll want to take a shot in a bad situation because I'm not as a confident he'd get one of the better ones.

[BuffaloBobs]

This is such a great sign for a healthy and confident organization.

 

If I am a coach with Head Coach aspirations, seeing that ownership and the rest of leadership is going to encourage and support my growth, even if it leads me away from the team has to make the the culture attractive.

 

If you compare that to teams that in the past have blocked coaches from even interviewing for other positions, I know which organization I would rather be a part of for sure.

[Captain Hindsight]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

I'd be surprised of Leslie gets another shot. 61 year old, defensive minded, low key personality, below .500 retreads are not generally popular hires. 

 

And I am a big Frazier fan. Just don't see him as an attractive HC candidate. Indianapolis when McDaniels pulled out and it was he or Reich was his last shot IMO.

I could see a team hiring a guy like Frazier. He went 10-6 with Christian Ponder as his QB and is a calming presences. A team looking for a reset and establishing a good culture could be interested in him

 

I could Jacksonville, Atlanta, Detroit

 

Marvin Lewis is gonna get some interviews too for the same reason

[MAJBobby]

And does anyone really know if Daboll wants to be a HC?

 

He is at his Home, He is running a high powered offense, has a young maturing QB.  Do we really know if he wants to leave all that?

2 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

I could see a team hiring a guy like Frazier. He went 10-6 with Christian Ponder as his QB and is a calming presences. A team looking for a reset and establishing a good culture could be interested in him

 

I could Jacksonville, Atlanta, Detroit

 

Marvin Lewis is gonna get some interviews too for the same reason

Frazier would be GREAT in LA with Chargers, get a legit OC and boom as you said his calming presence will do wonders.  Another would be the Jets (I think he would stay away from there though with the issues they have and that media)

[Captain Hindsight]

57 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

that's interesting.  If Reid is calling the plays, then I don't get the Bienemay love.  What exactly is he doing?   I'm not overly worried about Daboll leaving if it happens, Dorsey can take his place and good teams lose coordinators often.  

 

 

The media loves Bienemay, not sure how highly thought of he is in the league.

[MAJBobby]

5 minutes ago, BuffaloBobs said:

This is such a great sign for a healthy and confident organization.

 

If I am a coach with Head Coach aspirations, seeing that ownership and the rest of leadership is going to encourage and support my growth, even if it leads me away from the team has to make the the culture attractive.

 

If you compare that to teams that in the past have blocked coaches from even interviewing for other positions, I know which organization I would rather be a part of for sure.

 

No organization can do that for the HC position.

 

 

Have a question about the minority compensation thing that they put in place.  Where does that "extra" draft pick come from, the compensatory pool?  If it comes from the gaining team would that NOT stifle minority hires?

Edited December 15, 2020 by MAJBobby

[Simon]

1 hour ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

 

Oof, I feel for Dick LeBeau.  A legendary DC in his time that the game left by the wayside. 

 

In his time? Left by the wayside?!

 

Ummm, it was just Jan 6, 2018 that Dick Lebeau won an NFL playoff game on the road with a Titans defense rotating a dozen guys you've never heard of.

And he did it at 81 years old after nearly 60 years in the NFL just two playoffs ago.

At no point in this man's life has football ever left him by the wayside.

You should have more respect for one of the greatest men to have ever been involved in the sport at any level.

[billsfan89]

2 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

I could see a team hiring a guy like Frazier. He went 10-6 with Christian Ponder as his QB and is a calming presences. A team looking for a reset and establishing a good culture could be interested in him

 

I could Jacksonville, Atlanta, Detroit

 

Marvin Lewis is gonna get some interviews too for the same reason

 

Maybe a team with a vet QB looking to build a better defense around them (Atlanta or Detroit) could take a look at him. But if I am going with a retread as a coach give me one with a more proven track record than Frazier 

[BuffaloBobs]

5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

No organization can do that for the HC position.

 

 

I know, but happened all the time for positional coaches. Always thought that would be terrible for morale to be blocked from interviewing for a promotion and a sign of a dysfunctional organization.

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

I could see a team hiring a guy like Frazier. He went 10-6 with Christian Ponder as his QB and is a calming presences. A team looking for a reset and establishing a good culture could be interested in him

 

I could Jacksonville, Atlanta, Detroit

 

Marvin Lewis is gonna get some interviews too for the same reason

 

If he was 55 Leslie would be gone. But what is the point of hiring a guy to establish a culture who probably can't see that through in the longer term because of his age? I just don't see it. If he was 5 years younger he'd have been gone last offseason IMO. Marv is a different kettle of fish. He is similar in age terms but he won 4 division titles, is above .500 (though only just) and made the playoffs 7 times with a franchise that both before he arrived and in the immediate aftermath of his departure is a bit of a train wreck. I have asid it before but the passage of time will make Marvin Lewis's job in Cincy look better than it did. Because that is the most dysfunctional franchise in the NFL and while they definitely underachieved with a couple of the teams he had in his run his overall performance both building and coaching those teams in that environment was an overachievement.

 

Still, I don't think Marv will be an NFL Head Coach again, though I agree he will likely get an interview or two.

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBobs said:

 

I know, but happened all the time for positional coaches. Always thought that would be terrible for morale to be blocked from interviewing for a promotion and a sign of a dysfunctional organization.

Well they are just lateral transfers so why wouldn't teams, Now with the draft pick compensation thing maybe that stops that.  I also think those teams talk to the coach, and take heat blocking for a coach that says yeah I dont want that position, but I also dont want to tell them NO (burn a bridge)

Edited December 15, 2020 by MAJBobby

[Max Fischer]

Very classy and savvy move by the Pegulas, Beane and McDermott.

 

Success helps breed success. If coaching talent believes the Bills are a stepping stone to a successful career, they will want to come to Buffalo. Same for players. 

Edited December 15, 2020 by Max Fischer

[Victory Formation]

26 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

In house and can call McDs Defense.

 

Also I would argue the DL has been getting better every week - almost like a bunch of new guys on it with a short to no offseason.  When was the last game they gave 100 yard rusher?

We’re giving up 119 rushing yards per game.. The fact that we’re campaigning for Frazier to be a HC is laughable.. Bills are like the 19th - 20th ranked defense in the NFL.

[Chandler#81]

1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

I don't think either of our coordinator's get taken this year.  Too many other options: Bineiemy, Butler (Steelers, DC)--who seems to get no love from the national media for a HC position, despite having a great D;  Saleh; Roman; McDaniels; Stefanski; Toub; just to name a few.  

As usual, it’ll depend on Black Monday carnage. But I hear & see things about Daboll nearly every day now. There will be some openings and he’ll be highly considered.

[BITE ME]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think Frazier deserves another chance at HC more than many who have gotten it.

 

Really? Name one. Black head coaches can be just as bad as white head coaches.  There is no discrimination when it comes to bad head coaches.

Edited December 15, 2020 by FUTURIST

[Coffeesforclosers]

30 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

In his time? Left by the wayside?!

 

Ummm, it was just Jan 6, 2018 that Dick Lebeau won an NFL playoff game on the road with a Titans defense rotating a dozen guys you've never heard of.

And he did it at 81 years old after nearly 60 years in the NFL just two playoffs ago.

At no point ever in this man's life has football ever left him by the wayside.

You should have more respect for one of the greatest men to have ever been involved in the sport at any level.

Oof, mea culpa!

Edited December 15, 2020 by Coffeesforclosers

[Mr. K]

I think having a HC cailber DC is never a bad thing. Frazier leaving might lose a little bit of professionalism but I would like to think McDermott knows what he wants and will get just that or move on from any replacement. 

[Augie]

48 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

As usual, it’ll depend on Black Monday carnage. But I hear & see things about Daboll nearly every day now. There will be some openings and he’ll be highly considered.

 

Remember that not that long ago some people wanted to replace Daboll? Well, they might get their wish, and that would suck IMO! 

[JustWinPlease]

2 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

I don't think either of our coordinator's get taken this year.  Too many other options: Bineiemy, Butler (Steelers, DC)--who seems to get no love from the national media for a HC position, despite having a great D;  Saleh; Roman; McDaniels; Stefanski; Toub; just to name a few.  

Isn't Stefanski a head coach already?
 

Roman? Doubtful since their offense has taken a step back.

McDaniels? He's not going anywhere.

 

Brian Daboll is as good as gone...you don't take a raw prospect that nobody saw as franchise QB, turn him into one, and not get picked to be a HC.

Teams want young offensive minds and that's Brian Daboll.

[MiltonWaddams]

12 minutes ago, JustWinPlease said:

Isn't Stefanski a head coach already?
 

Roman? Doubtful since their offense has taken a step back.

McDaniels? He's not going anywhere.

 

Brian Daboll is as good as gone...you don't take a raw prospect that nobody saw as franchise QB, turn him into one, and not get picked to be a HC.

Teams want young offensive minds and that's Brian Daboll.

I think that the lustre is off of Belichick ‘s minions. Although Flores has done well in Miami, if you look across the league, his coaching tree has lost more jobs then anyone else’s over the last six years. McDaniels has already failed, hasn’t felt an impressive offense with Cam and already blew it with Indianapolis. I would love to see the Jets hire him though.

Edited December 15, 2020 by MiltonWaddams

[Figster]

5 minutes ago, JustWinPlease said:

Isn't Stefanski a head coach already?
 

Roman? Doubtful since their offense has taken a step back.

McDaniels? He's not going anywhere.

 

Brian Daboll is as good as gone...you don't take a raw prospect that nobody saw as franchise QB, turn him into one, and not get picked to be a HC.

Teams want young offensive minds and that's Brian Daboll.

I agree

 

Brian Daboll is going to get allot of attention and his time under McD gives him a very good example to go by IMO.

 

Brian Daboll in New York coaching up Trevor Lawrence could happen IMO. 

[MAJBobby]

1 hour ago, Victory Formation said:

We’re giving up 119 rushing yards per game.. The fact that we’re campaigning for Frazier to be a HC is laughable.. Bills are like the 19th - 20th ranked defense in the NFL.

So waiting on that 100 yard rusher

[billykay]

3 hours ago, FUTURIST said:

I think Ken Dorsey will be running the Bills Offense next year.  I am fine with that.  Daboll is probably headed to the Jets. He is a master with young quarterbacks and he is going to get the top young quarterback in the NFL from Clemson. I think that Chargers job is the dream job though.  A coach can come in and win the Super Bowl in year 1 with that team.

Didn't the Charger GM and Daboll attend St. Francis together?

[BITE ME]

3 minutes ago, billykay said:

Didn't the Charger GM and Daboll attend St. Francis together?

 

Yep. And they have the same agent.

[Victory Formation]

15 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

So waiting on that 100 yard rusher

Most teams don’t have a primary #1 back these days.. Most teams have taken a RBC approach.. 100 yard rusher or not we’re still the 19th ranked rushing defense. That’s the ultimate stat anyway. Whether they dice you with one back or two, does it matter? Either way you’re getting filleted. 

[MAJBobby]

Just now, Victory Formation said:

Most teams don’t have a primary #1 back these days.. Most teams have taken a RBC approach.. 100 yard rusher or not we’re still the 19th ranked rushing defense. That’s the ultimate stat anyway. Whether they dice you with one back or two, does it matter? Either way you’re getting filleted. 

Cool that we have fixed the leagues worst Run Defense to get to middle of the pack in a couple weeks.  Nice.  Seems like a nice endorsement for the DL Coach, DC and others.