Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Reportedly jameis won’t play at all unless there is an injury Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 My main concern with starting him this week is if he has 2 poor drives to start the game they bench him and put winston in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 7 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: We'll see! Who is this @diannaESPN Schefter is using as his source? Is she the one that reported that Murphy and Phillips would be healthy scratches for the Bills before the KC game? I guess that answers my question about what "starting QB" and "reps with the starters" means, but...yowza. I mean, I guess Crab Legs only generated 52 net yds of offense (not including the kneel-downs) in the 2nd half - which is something like 12 yds less than Taysom Hill generated in the 2nd half, and 52 yds of passing offense more than Hill? Interesting times. 2 hours ago, Blokestradamus said: With the appreciation that Payton has for Hill, there's every chance that they've been working on a gameplan for him in case Brees gets hurt. Something like the Pats/Texans game in 2016 when they had to start Brissett on a short week and went full triple option on them. Brissett went 11/19 but they had the Texans completely turned around with trickery. I could be wrong, but somehow I don't see Sean Payton as a diplomate of the Bill Belicheck School of Football Trickery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Who is this @diannaESPN Schefter is using as his source? Is she the one that reported that Murphy and Phillips would be healthy scratches for the Bills before the KC game? I guess that answers my question about what "starting QB" and "reps with the starters" means, but...yowza. I mean, I guess Crab Legs only generated 52 net yds of offense (not including the kneel-downs) in the 2nd half - which is something like 12 yds less than Taysom Hill generated in the 2nd half, and 52 yds of passing offense more than Hill? Interesting times. Diana russinni and espn reporter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: Diana russinni and espn reporter I'm sorry I know she's an ESPN reporter - is she considered to be well-connected and credible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: He's not an NFL QB. Never has been. Why start now? Replacing Brees with Hill would slam all windows shut. though after this week he may get more completions (11 career) than tackles (14 career) so that’ll be a step towards qb! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 6 hours ago, TBBills said: Early retirement... 41 is an early retirement age for an NFL QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 12 hours ago, Bangarang said: I’ll never understand Payton’s massive hard on for Hill Where were you during the Peterman era? 11 hours ago, Gugny said: Wow! Gotta be disciplinary. Maybe he told Sean Payton that he was gonna ***** his wife right in her *****. Think Payton caught him eating crab legs?😎 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Today I learned that Taysom Hill is 30 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 30 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Today I learned that Taysom Hill is 30 Always shocked by this! I always assume he is 24-25 and then see this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said: Always shocked by this! I always assume he is 24-25 and then see this. happens often to you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, NoSaint said: happens often to you? 😂 poorly worded. Before I found out his age I thought he was 24-25. He’s always spoken of as a younger player, or I just perceive it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I could be wrong, but somehow I don't see Sean Payton as a diplomate of the Bill Belicheck School of Football Trickery Nope, you're not wrong. He's straight out of the PARCELLS School of Football Trickery. And, to be fair, I think Bill Parcells was a more progressive coach than he later sounded like on TV. And of course, the Belichick coaching tree actually branches OFF the Parcells coaching tree, so... I don't even remember what we're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: Nope, you're not wrong. He's straight out of the PARCELLS School of Football Trickery. And, to be fair, I think Bill Parcells was a more progressive coach than he later sounded like on TV. And of course, the Belichick coaching tree actually branches OFF the Parcells coaching tree, so... I don't even remember what we're talking about. Something about a forest 🌳 I think Edited November 21, 2020 by Putin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, Putin said: Something about a forest 🌳 I think I love autumn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 19 hours ago, Process said: Sean Payton is such a clown. You have to think this is them feeling pressure to justify giving a gadget player $20M. If contracts were reversed any chance they start Hill? No way. Also just to be clear... I think winston is awful and has no business starting in the NFL. But Taysom Hill????? I mean come on. But he got Lasik. Maybe he can see defenders now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 7 hours ago, Richard Noggin said: Nope, you're not wrong. He's straight out of the PARCELLS School of Football Trickery. And, to be fair, I think Bill Parcells was a more progressive coach than he later sounded like on TV. And of course, the Belichick coaching tree actually branches OFF the Parcells coaching tree, so... I don't even remember what we're talking about. Noggin, do you need to borrow a couple of my kid’s Concerta? Just kidding, just a joke and that’s against the law if my kids actually took it. Anyway, I agree Parcells was very innovative, and on Payton, I don’t trust anything he says he’s going to do. I could easily see Winston on the field starting from the first snap. Quite honestly, I really don’t care as I live in a town that’s a division rivalry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 I’d expect Winston to attempt more passes than Hill on Sunday. If he keeps Hill in for the entire game he is flirting with Petermanesque type of decision making. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. K Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 When I heard this my first thought was "he did just get paid" Too bad the outcome of Saints vs Falcons has no effect on our playoff standings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 If there is going to be no Winston at all they will have to go full Tebow. It can be successful for the short term, long grinding drives, built to simply turn the game into as few drives as possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 8 hours ago, Richard Noggin said: Nope, you're not wrong. He's straight out of the PARCELLS School of Football Trickery. And, to be fair, I think Bill Parcells was a more progressive coach than he later sounded like on TV. And of course, the Belichick coaching tree actually branches OFF the Parcells coaching tree, so... I don't even remember what we're talking about. The original question was whether Payton could pull off coaching the kind of triple-option and trickery game that Belicheck rolled out with Brissett at one point: "Something like the Pats/Texans game in 2016 when they had to start Brissett on a short week and went full triple option on them. Brissett went 11/19 but they had the Texans completely turned around with trickery." as @Blokestradamus said. I just don't see Parcells as ever having employed the sort of "ruthless pursuit of a competitive advantage" Belicheck got up to with his rule-skirting in game moves. How many new rules do we have because of his play calls in playoff games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 I think this decision is based more on Payton wanting to see what they have in Taysom Hill. Brees is on his last leg. They need to see if he is the foreseeable future or if they are going to need to address the position. Winston will only play if Hill doesn't rise to the occasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Yea the guy im playing in FFL has him as a TE. ESPN is so bad, if I lose because of this BS I done with ESPN completely. I have not watched anything ESPN in a long time, The only reason we are using ESPN FFL is because our commish likes them because he is a commie. I have looked in other leagues and it appears ESPN is the only one doing this, total BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 10 hours ago, GoBills808 said: Today I learned that Taysom Hill is 30 Tomorrow you will learn that he's not an NFL QB. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 On 11/20/2020 at 10:23 AM, Buftex said: I wonder if this is a case of Sean Payton just being "Sean Payton", with his tendencies to always do the unexpected, or if he really thinks Hill gives him a better shot at winning than Winston does. Hill gives Payton a chance/excuse to gamble a bit. Might be very fun to watch. I think it would be better to use him in Slash role like Steelers did for Kordell Stewart. Let Winston take the lumps, kneel downs, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 3 hours ago, H2o said: I think this decision is based more on Payton wanting to see what they have in Taysom Hill. Brees is on his last leg. They need to see if he is the foreseeable future or if they are going to need to address the position. Winston will only play if Hill doesn't rise to the occasion. Taysom Hill is 30 years old. He's thrown 18 passes in his 4 year NFL career for a 56% completion rate. What exactly is it the Saints need to see? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Yea the guy im playing in FFL has him as a TE. ESPN is so bad, if I lose because of this BS I done with ESPN completely. I have not watched anything ESPN in a long time, The only reason we are using ESPN FFL is because our commish likes them because he is a commie. I have looked in other leagues and it appears ESPN is the only one doing this, total BS. I’m really disappointed in my commish. Didn’t even put it to a vote that Hill can only be used as a QB. So my opponent this week is starting him at TE, so basically he has two QB’s in his lineup. 😡 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 18 minutes ago, Back the Blue said: I’m really disappointed in my commish. Didn’t even put it to a vote that Hill can only be used as a QB. So my opponent this week is starting him at TE, so basically he has two QB’s in his lineup. 😡 I doubt he gets more than 10 points plus karma is on your side. Don’t sweat it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 It is time for Hill to shine. If he does well he has a chance to be the successor to Brees. Winston still has talent but reckless with the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 On 11/20/2020 at 10:04 AM, Chuck Wagon said: If I am Jameis, I ask for my release today. He could be starting for Dallas or Chicago next Sunday. That’s the truth If you can’t beat out hill at QB time to catch a ride out I would suggest Uber those taxis in New Orleans are scary 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 20 minutes ago, Nitro said: It is time for Hill to shine. If he does well he has a chance to be the successor to Brees. Winston still has talent but reckless with the ball. My mind still boggles. Why does anyone think a 30 year old man who has thrown 18 passes with 56% completion in his 4 year NFL career "has a chance" to be the successor to a QB who has played at the highest level for 15 years with multiple probowl appearances, 1st team all-pro, Superbowl win, 2 additional conference champion appearances, 8 playoff appearances. No offense to Taysom Hill, but to date, he hasn't shown any indication he's fit to hold Brees cleats or jock, much less succeed him. And the clock is against him - he's no "spring chicken". Now that said, the Saints run game is arguably the best aspect of their offense currently, and their D is good. I can see them wanting to play ball-control, grind-it-out offense with a guy who can pass just enough to keep the opponent off them. But Atlanta actually has a pretty good run D based on yards given up, and almost bottom of the league for passing yards. Choosing to grind it out against them, might be like mounting a run-heavy defense against the SeaSnakes and while going pass-happy against NE. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 31 minutes ago, 97bills said: That’s the truth If you can’t beat out hill at QB time to catch a ride out I would suggest Uber those taxis in New Orleans are scary And if I am GM I tell him no. He was paid money and he cannot be traded. If he is released he could go to team which might be competition in playoffs. What if Tainted T*m cannot finish season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) On 11/20/2020 at 11:07 AM, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: Poor decision IMO. I see Hill as a gadget QB, but not a complete game guy at the position. I think Winston would run a better attack overall. Saints D is good enough to overcome a few picks. More than that, they have Kamara. Winston wouldn't need to air it out 50 times per game. The team should run through Alvin. Taysom Hill is a fine football player, but this is ridiculous. He is NOT a better QB than Jameis. Edited November 21, 2020 by Chicken Boo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, Limeaid said: And if I am GM I tell him no. He was paid money and he cannot be traded. If he is released he could go to team which might be competition in playoffs. What if Tainted T*m cannot finish season? I think he will get a chance I just don’t see hill lighting it up maybe play some power football and run a lot. I am kind of excited to see how it goes. Staying in Mississippi there lots of saints fans here and I can tell you there nervous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 28 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: My mind still boggles. Why does anyone think a 30 year old man who has thrown 18 passes with 56% completion in his 4 year NFL career "has a chance" to be the successor to a QB who has played at the highest level for 15 years with multiple probowl appearances, 1st team all-pro, Superbowl win, 2 additional conference champion appearances, 8 playoff appearances. No offense to Taysom Hill, but to date, he hasn't shown any indication he's fit to hold Brees cleats or jock, much less succeed him. And the clock is against him - he's no "spring chicken". Now that said, the Saints run game is arguably the best aspect of their offense currently, and their D is good. I can see them wanting to play ball-control, grind-it-out offense with a guy who can pass just enough to keep the opponent off them. But Atlanta actually has a pretty good run D based on yards given up, and almost bottom of the league for passing yards. Choosing to grind it out against them, might be like mounting a run-heavy defense against the SeaSnakes and while going pass-happy against NE. I got a buddy who is a die hard saints fan and he even laughs when people talk about hill being the guy it’s just crazy talk. The guy has shown nothing more then a good football player not a QB. We will see but I will say I can’t wait to see what happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Taysom Hill is 30 years old. He's thrown 18 passes in his 4 year NFL career for a 56% completion rate. What exactly is it the Saints need to see? https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/Article/New-Orleans-Saints-head-coach-Sean-Payton-is-confident-in-Taysom-Hills-chances-to-become-Drew-Brees-successor--147098403/Amp/ Like I said, this is likely more Payton wanting to see what Hill can do if given the reigns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 22 minutes ago, H2o said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/Article/New-Orleans-Saints-head-coach-Sean-Payton-is-confident-in-Taysom-Hills-chances-to-become-Drew-Brees-successor--147098403/Amp/ Like I said, this is likely more Payton wanting to see what Hill can do if given the reigns. Yeah, I saw those stories last Spring and I was like "that's Some *****" SMDH I've just been under- impressed when I've seen him. Well, there's a reason why I'm not an NFL Talent Evaluator so, I guess we'll see. Perhaps I need to be educated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 One season he had 6 TD's with 19 receptions. This is like making Butch Rolle your QB. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Well, at $4800, I've got Taysom in my Draft Kings lineup, which means he isn't going to do jack ***** tomorrow 🙃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yeah, I saw those stories last Spring and I was like "that's Some *****" SMDH I've just been under- impressed when I've seen him. Well, there's a reason why I'm not an NFL Talent Evaluator so, I guess we'll see. Perhaps I need to be educated. Oh, yeah, I honestly don't believe he will be the answer. They did hand him a nice chunk of change for a gadget guy. Might well see if he can sling it with any consistency as well. I'm also pretty sure Payton saw the 30TD/30INT version of Winston in practice and was like, "Yeah, the clipboard suits you." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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