TroutDog Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, DDCC said: It would be in the best interest to trade him. It won’t happen. We should have traded him before the season that is when he had the most value. Not sure we could get a bag of balls for him. We should keep him for depth. Not sure where this rumor started. Like you I have serious connections at OBD. Mine have told me that every NFL team has been calling the Bills and offering all of their best players while keeping their contracts AND giving the Bills draft picks to do so...all to finally sink the Pats (see how I ‘connected the dots’?). I hope your insider told you the same. Edited October 28, 2020 by TroutDog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDCC Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Wow. Do you really think we can get anything for him? You ever heard of Dunkirk Don, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 6 hours ago, Hebert19 said: I said this on another thread. Murphy and a draft pick for watt or rankins. My guess is watt then they just cut Murphy to free cap. Hey ! Don't go stealing my loverboy!! *hic* 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 7 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Yes one Geno Atkins please and thank you Oh hell yeah to that, get Fletcher Cox too and we have the best line in the league. Not realistic but nice to dream. 7 hours ago, Hebert19 said: I said this on another thread. Murphy and a draft pick for watt or rankins. My guess is watt then they just cut Murphy to free cap. Man ! Watt, Atkins and Cox now im really dreaming !! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 5 hours ago, Maybe Someday said: He's in the last year of his deal...how is he costing us $7M in cap space next year? Correct me if I'm wrong but we don't need someone to take his salary off our books if we find a replacement, we just cut him. We've already paid most if not all of his bonuses. We don't need to Brock Osweiller him. Because you can roll over cap space from one year to the next. So the $7M we wouldn't be paying Murphy if he was cut could've been rolled over to '21 and been used to sign a FA or help sign a guy like Milano. The Bills basically lit $7M on fire by not cutting Murphy before the season. $$$ they can't get back. Bad asset management on their one. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Bag of Doritos for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weatherman Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 38 minutes ago, bobobonators said: Bag of Doritos for him? Only if it’s nacho flavor..cool ranch is gross. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 8 hours ago, Estro said: Only way you can trade Murphy is if you sweeten the pot with a pick IMO. Trade Murphy and a 5th and get back a 7th, something like that. A team would be doing us a favor by taking the $4M off of our books. Not cutting him prior to the season was a huge mistake and cost us $7M in cap space next yr. that we can't get back. If Beane gets anything for Murphy without having to sweeten the pot, itd be a great job. This makes zero sense the guy isn’t under contract next year, why would you give up a draft pick to trade him away? The only way trading him makes sense is to take on a higher longer contract for a player that a team wants to move on from because they want to shed their cap starting next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 43 minutes ago, Weatherman said: Only if it’s nacho flavor..cool ranch is gross. Well it’s ranch, what else would ya expect.., 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 10 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Yes one Geno Atkins please and thank you Cincy seems to like our O-linemen. Boettger and a 6th for Atkins? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 18 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: Tyrod Taylor brought a 3rd. One of the happiest days of my life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 9 hours ago, Don Otreply said: Well it’s ranch, what else would ya expect.., 😁 It's the only time ranch is ok 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 10 hours ago, Weatherman said: Only if it’s nacho flavor..cool ranch is gross. This take is treason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 18 hours ago, Nester said: Who takes his spot if he is moved? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 So a couple of pucks and a few broken sticks should do it...... right? Ok wrong sport A few kicking tees and a few deflated balls might do the trick Looks like Epenesa is flashing enough to dump the over paid vet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 19 hours ago, Estro said: Because you can roll over cap space from one year to the next. So the $7M we wouldn't be paying Murphy if he was cut could've been rolled over to '21 and been used to sign a FA or help sign a guy like Milano. The Bills basically lit $7M on fire by not cutting Murphy before the season. $$$ they can't get back. Bad asset management on their one. They made a lot of bad moves this offseason, which is surprising considering how well they built this team. I think they made a philosophical change from big and physical to small and fast and its why we cant run nor stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 get er done OBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: They made a lot of bad moves this offseason, which is surprising considering how well they built this team. I think they made a philosophical change from big and physical to small and fast and its why we cant run nor stop it. They might not have known that the NFL was going to eliminate holding for O lineman. That might have shifted the strategy. Edited October 29, 2020 by chknwing334 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 9 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said: It's the only time ranch is ok Anyone ever wonder why there’s no bleu cheese flavor? Me neither. That cheeseburger flavor they ran a few years ago was strangely spot on. Not good, but tasted like what they were going for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WizdomCalling Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 This could just be his agent trying to drum up interest since this is going to be his final year with us He needs another contract. If His agent gets people to think that he is someone who is worth looking into based off of "interest" that could inflate his value a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Is his house up for sale? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 1 hour ago, benderbender said: Anyone ever wonder why there’s no bleu cheese flavor? Me neither. That cheeseburger flavor they ran a few years ago was strangely spot on. Not good, but tasted like what they were going for. Just get some cool ranch batches grow some mold on it and I think we got a winner 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 On 10/28/2020 at 12:34 PM, YoloinOhio said: Who would take Murphy’s contract? Would a late rounder be enough to move him? ...Murphy has more bruises HERE than on the field.......so who are the takers?............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 "Being told" means next to nothing IMO. Was he told by another writer? Some fan who claimed to work in locker room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Having Trent Murphy fatigue. Please trade for that reason only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 He's Chris Kelsay but without the lunchpail or run stopping ability. Ride with Addison & Hughes the remainder of this season and try to trade Phillips & Murphy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 3 hours ago, chknwing334 said: They might not have known that the NFL was going to eliminate holding for O lineman. That might have shifted the strategy. That should make it easier for us to run and you cant sacrifice size up the middle as it will always be exploited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) On 10/28/2020 at 3:32 PM, Weatherman said: Have you watched him play? His 5M off the books alone is more valuable than 10 Trent Murphy’s. I would trade Trent and a 6th for a conditional 2022 7th Okay...how does that help the Bills right now, tho? I've said it in some other threads, late round picks in 2021 aren't very valuable to a GM like Beane right now. Tons of prospects aren't able to play this season and a lot of those guys are probably gonna get drafted in later rounds. It's gonna be tough to evaluate and figure out what you have in your late round prospects next year. Either way, late round prospects don't have the greatest odds of making this Bills team. The only way I'm taking late round picks for Trent Murphy is if I know I'm taking those picks and flipping them to another team for a player. There's just no point in trading him just to trade him and his contract is up after this season so there's not much point in cutting him. I mean, who are the alternatives? Darryl Johnson? AJ Epenesa? Don't get me wrong, I'm excited about the potential those two guys have but right now they're being outplayed by Murphy which is why he gets more snaps. Yeah I'm sure they expected more from him when they signed him but maybe the injury really FUBAR'd him and he just can't get back to how he was playing before the injury, I've no idea. But as it is right now, he's better than a couple of future late round picks. Unless some kind of knock-his-socks-off kinda deal comes around, I don't think compiling late round picks for the future is real high on Beane's priority list. They have a window to compete right now so if they're gonna make any sort of move, it's gotta be one that helps them immediately and not next year. Again, just my two cents on the subject. And of course I've seen Trent play. He, along with the rest of the DL, have struggled this season. He does flash and make plays at times, it's just too much time between those flashes. It feels like, "Week Two, Murphy has two sacks and a forced fumble" and then his next sighting is like, "Week Nine, evidently Trent Murphy returned from his trip to the moon because he had a sack and a fumble recovery!" On 10/28/2020 at 3:28 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said: unless Beane is trying to get some headroom for another move? Yes sir. That'd be the only way I'd trade Trent Murphy for a couple of late round picks, is if I knew I could then package those picks and flip them to another team for player that can help them right now. They have a window to compete so I don't think stockpiling a buncha future late round picks does them much good right now. And any late round prospect has their work cut out for them in terms of making the team. Edited October 30, 2020 by blacklabel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: He's Chris Kelsay but without the lunchpail or run stopping ability. Ride with Addison & Hughes the remainder of this season and try to trade Phillips & Murphy. too harsh. muchso Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weatherman Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 51 minutes ago, blacklabel said: Okay...how does that help the Bills right now, tho? I've said it in some other threads, late round picks in 2021 aren't very valuable to a GM like Beane right now. Tons of prospects aren't able to play this season and a lot of those guys are probably gonna get drafted in later rounds. It's gonna be tough to evaluate and figure out what you have in your late round prospects next year. Either way, late round prospects don't have the greatest odds of making this Bills team. The only way I'm taking late round picks for Trent Murphy is if I know I'm taking those picks and flipping them to another team for a player. There's just no point in trading him just to trade him and his contract is up after this season so there's not much point in cutting him. I mean, who are the alternatives? Darryl Johnson? AJ Epenesa? Don't get me wrong, I'm excited about the potential those two guys have but right now they're being outplayed by Murphy which is why he gets more snaps. Yeah I'm sure they expected more from him when they signed him but maybe the injury really FUBAR'd him and he just can't get back to how he was playing before the injury, I've no idea. But as it is right now, he's better than a couple of future late round picks. Unless some kind of knock-his-socks-off kinda deal comes around, I don't think compiling late round picks for the future is real high on Beane's priority list. They have a window to compete right now so if they're gonna make any sort of move, it's gotta be one that helps them immediately and not next year. Again, just my two cents on the subject. And of course I've seen Trent play. He, along with the rest of the DL, have struggled this season. He does flash and make plays at times, it's just too much time between those flashes. It feels like, "Week Two, Murphy has two sacks and a forced fumble" and then his next sighting is like, "Week Nine, evidently Trent Murphy returned from his trip to the moon because he had a sack and a fumble recovery!" Yes sir. That'd be the only way I'd trade Trent Murphy for a couple of late round picks, is if I knew I could then package those picks and flip them to another team for player that can help them right now. They have a window to compete so I don't think stockpiling a buncha future late round picks does them much good right now. And any late round prospect has their work cut out for them in terms of making the team. Wow dude, you missed the boat on this totally. It’s not about acquiring late round picks, it’s about getting cap relief to add impact players before the deadline. They can’t do this by cutting him, only trading and I would advocate to include a 2021 6th or 7th to make that happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 48 minutes ago, Weatherman said: Wow dude, you missed the boat on this totally. It’s not about acquiring late round picks, it’s about getting cap relief to add impact players before the deadline. They can’t do this by cutting him, only trading and I would advocate to include a 2021 6th or 7th to make that happen. It would kind of be like an NBA deal, where there is a salary cap dump. A team will trade a player with a 15 million dollar salary and the 20th pick in the NBA draft to acquire a 2nd round pick. The player acquired is inconsequential it is just a math transaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weatherman Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 43 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: It would kind of be like an NBA deal, where there is a salary cap dump. A team will trade a player with a 15 million dollar salary and the 20th pick in the NBA draft to acquire a 2nd round pick. The player acquired is inconsequential it is just a math transaction. Browns have done this a couple times in the past 3 years. Once successfully and the other time the NFL blocked it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 17 minutes ago, Weatherman said: Browns have done this a couple times in the past 3 years. Once successfully and the other time the NFL blocked it. When was the time it got blocked? I remember the Oswiler trade but that one went through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weatherman Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, billsfan89 said: When was the time it got blocked? I remember the Oswiler trade but that one went through. They tried to flip Clowney with a sign and trade. They were going to take on some of his cap hit in exchange for a draft pick. Edited October 30, 2020 by Weatherman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Weatherman said: They tried to flip Clowney for a sign and trade. They were going to take on some of his cap hit in exchange for a draft pick. Just looked that up and dam that's crazy. I would have thought it would have been a bigger story. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Weatherman said: Wow dude, you missed the boat on this totally. It’s not about acquiring late round picks, it’s about getting cap relief to add impact players before the deadline. They can’t do this by cutting him, only trading and I would advocate to include a 2021 6th or 7th to make that happen. Cutting and trading him would have the same cap impact for the Bills. That's not true of guys whose salaries are guaranteed, but the Murphy's guarantee has long been paid. In either case, the unamortized signing bonus due will go into dead cap. The Bills will save the salary he's due and his Per Game Active Bonus, and they would save this whether he's traded or cut. The roughly $3.5 mill we'd save (not counting that whoever replaces him on the roster would have a cost that should be subtracted from that $3.5 mill to understand the financial impact of the move) wouldn't be nothing, but IMO it's not worth dumping if you get nothing back. They're hoping to get something, if the report is true. Edited October 30, 2020 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 10 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Cutting and trading him would have the same cap impact for the Bills. That's not true of guys whose salaries are guaranteed, but the Murphy's guarantee has long been paid. In either case, the unamortized signing bonus due will go into dead cap. The Bills will save the salary he's due and his Per Game Active Bonus, and they would save this whether he's traded or cut. The roughly $3.5 mill we'd save (not counting that whoever replaces him on the roster would have a cost that should be subtracted from that $3.5 mill to understand the financial impact of the move) wouldn't be nothing, but IMO it's not worth dumping if you get nothing back. They're hoping to get something, if the report is true. No. Not in current year. We cut him and no cap reprieve this year...we trade and it opens cap to potentially trade for someone we actually want that has a higher cap hit we could not take on as of now. Example we don't have cap space for Watt right now...but we would after we trade Murphy. Not saying that's why...but if there is a player we want that is more than our cap space this is why ylu would do it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Hebert19 said: No. Not in current year. We cut him and no cap reprieve this year...we trade and it opens cap to potentially trade for someone we actually want that has a higher cap hit we could not take on as of now. Example we don't have cap space for Watt right now...but we would after we trade Murphy. Not saying that's why...but if there is a player we want that is more than our cap space this is why ylu would do it. Why would you think that the money for the games he didn't play in would not be available to the Bills on the cap if they cut him? Murphy's salary is NOT guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 24 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Why would you think that the money for the games he didn't play in would not be available to the Bills on the cap if they cut him? Murphy's salary is NOT guaranteed. Wrong. He was on the roster week 1.........at which point it became guaranteed. They can only shed it by trading it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 36 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Why would you think that the money for the games he didn't play in would not be available to the Bills on the cap if they cut him? Murphy's salary is NOT guaranteed. If I'm not mistaken if cut it becomes dead cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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