SNF: Seahawks at Cardinals

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

6 minutes ago, OZBILLS said:

Yep.

Drafted 6th round 2017

 

Could have done with him

nah— we got AJ Klein! 

[billsbackto81]

1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said:

Where's all of the Kyler Murray naysayers on here?

Really? I guess some impress easier than others. Arizona's 2nd half D won that game. Kyler's decent but let's hold off the coronation shall we. 

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

1 minute ago, OZBILLS said:

You know what is going to happen. We will cut him and Pittsburgh will pick him up and turn him into an INT and Sack machine on his way to HOF

 

There is absolutely no chance he gets cut.

[jkeerie]

2 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

He has 40 total tackles since we cut him 2 years ago. He's still a bum.

They have their splash plays when they know we're watching...just so we complain.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Just now, Penfield45 said:

 

Kyler is the next Russel Wilson. the similarities are scary 

 

Cardinals are set for the next 15 years 

agreed— though I am not sure anyone can replicate Wilson’s deep ball accuracy. Holy cow. 

[1ManRaid]

2 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Russel Wilson with the late game sacks and OT INT kind of shot his team in the foot here.

 

Yeah he really needs to block better for himself.  I even noted "Zero pass blocking ability" for him when scouting college QBs and was glad we passed on him for it.

3 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

Really? I guess some impress easier than others. Arizona's 2nd half D won that game. Kyler's decent but let's hold off the coronation shall we. 

Yeah, he only put up 427 yards and 4 TDs.  What a scrub.

[Sherlock Holmes]

4 minutes ago, OZBILLS said:

You know what is going to happen. We will cut him and Pittsburgh will pick him up and turn him into an INT and Sack machine on his way to HOF

Trade his @$$ towards Watt in that case so we get a HoF player of our own then

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The announcers have been praising his accuracy all night.  They can not be mistaken.  Seriously, I think Murray has made some very good throws, but having Hopkins is undeniably helpful to make any QB look better.

 

I did mean bad as in bad up to that point.  Not overall.

 

Overall I think he is above average passer.   He is not as accurate as they make him out to be.

 

Can't emphasize enough how much an X factor the running is.  I'm glad the Bills have really found a way to make Josh work in the pocket as much as he is......run only when necessary and the occassional run by design.

 

You watch Murray and Lamar and I just get the sense they're thinking first offen "if I can't run I'm going to either read 1 or 2."  

[Process]

3 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

 

Kyler is the next Russel Wilson. the similarities are scary 

 

Cardinals are set for the next 15 years 

LMAO

[OZBILLS]

1 minute ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Trade his @$$ towards Watt in that case so we get a HoF player of our own then

I'd give my left nut and first born for a year of TJ Watt

[billieve420]

 

9 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

Cardinals LB's are crazy good. they cover so much ground and constantly making plays. We need players like that 

 

I think the kudos should go to the d coordinator Vance Joseph for disguising pressure and giving Wilson multiple looks. Defense looked much better in the 2nd half after Wilson torched them early.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Just now, OZBILLS said:

I'd give my left nut and first born for a year of TJ Watt

What would you give for both Watts at the same time then

 

I would be their personal "athletic supporter"

[NewEra]

14 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

 

Kyler is the next Russel Wilson. the similarities are scary 

 

Cardinals are set for the next 15 years 

As long as he continues to improve as a passer.  Imo, he’s not even close to being as good as a passer as RW at the moment.  His legs are unbelievable though and I agree, the cards are set for the long haul. He’ll continue to improve as a passer and might be wearing a yellow jacket some day.  Not looking forward to our defense facing him either. 

11 minutes ago, billieve420 said:

 

 

I think the kudos should go to the d coordinator Vance Joseph for disguising pressure and giving Wilson multiple looks. Defense looked much better in the 2nd half after Wilson torched them early.

Absolutely.  That WAS the difference in the game.  

[NewEra]

22 minutes ago, OZBILLS said:

You know what is going to happen. We will cut him and Pittsburgh will pick him up and turn him into an INT and Sack machine on his way to HOF

You know what is going to happen.  Someone will make a REALLY stupid prediction and someone else will make fun of it because there’s zero percent chance the prediction becomes reality 

[OZBILLS]

Just now, NewEra said:

You know what is going to happen.  Someone will make a REALLY stupid prediction and someone else will make fun of it because there’s zero percent chance the prediction becomes reality 

If i have to be the stupid one, so be it.

I just want him to stay and become a HOF legend

[NewEra]

22 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

agreed— though I am not sure anyone can replicate Wilson’s deep ball accuracy. Holy cow. 

It’s unreal.  As is Locketts ball tracking and just all around bad***ness.  He could be better than Diggs.  

1 minute ago, OZBILLS said:

If i have to be the stupid one, so be it.

I just want him to stay and become a HOF legend

Interesting

 

I do as well. I think there’s a good chance he signs an extension because McD and Beane love him so much....but I really hope he improves to the point where he’s worthy of that extension.  He’s not even close to being there right now imo. 

[RiotAct]

one OT win against a good team = they’re set at QB for the next 15 years.  😂

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

9 minutes ago, NewEra said:

It’s unreal.  As is Locketts ball tracking and just all around bad***ness.  He could be better than Diggs.  

Interesting

 

I have never really considered Lockett to be a tier 1 receiver.... until tonight. His two insane TD catches were just that— insane. On the deep ball, how did he get and keep that body position with Peterson like 1 inch from him the entire time— and then concentrate and haul in that ball. 

[billsbackto81]

32 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

Yeah he really needs to block better for himself.  I even noted "Zero pass blocking ability" for him when scouting college QBs and was glad we passed on him for it.

Yeah, he only put up 427 yards and 4 TDs.  What a scrub.

Never said he was a scrub, he's a nice player against a bad Seattle defense. Josh had 430+ total yards with 4 TDs 0 INTs in regulation Week 2 but some are already questioning his play.  Everybody has their day and today was Murray's.

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I have never really considered Lockett to be a tier 1 receiver.... until tonight. His two insane TD catches were just that— insane. On the deep ball, how did he get and keep that body position with Peterson like 1 inch from him the entire time— and then concentrate and haul in that ball. 

It was of my opinion that he was only capable of making those catches because I had lots of money on Arizona.  But that’s not the case.  He’s been making catches like that for years and could be the most underrated wr in the league   

[Big C]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

It was of my opinion that he was only capable of making those catches because I had lots of money on Arizona.  But that’s not the case.  He’s been making catches like that for years and could be the most underrated wr in the league   

 

I had the pleasure of watching Lockett live at a preseason game in his rookie year. I could tell he had the potential to be something special. He has grown very nicely alongside Russ. Now, with DK on the other side, he is always a threat to post like he did tonight. 

[Freddie's Dead]

1 hour ago, y2zipper said:

 

The logic behind kicking on the earlier down is that on a bad snap you keep the ball.

 

So you do it on 3rd down, not 2nd.  Kingsbury screwed up royally there, and his defense bailed him out with the Simmons INT.  They came within a holding call of losing the game, when it was theirs to win if Kingsbury doesn't have a brain fart and kick the FG on 2nd down.

[Mark Vader]

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

We play that team too.

I know

 

Bring 'Em On!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Seattle takes these guys easy the Cardinals are

frauds 

 

Welp, this didn't age well

 

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

Russel Wilson with the late game sacks and OT INT kind of shot his team in the foot here.

 

MVP!  MVP! 

 

3 INT game for Wilson.  To be fair, he made some amazing throws as well.  But we would harshly criticize Josh for some of those mistakes.

[GunnerBill]

Monday morning reflections....

 

1. Terrific football game. That NFC West is really good fun. All four teams are good and all four teams are watchable as well and play generally entertaining games. I think all four are among the best 7 teams in the NFC the thing that is likely gonna keep at least two of them out of the playoffs is beating one another. Arizona is now 2-0 though against the 49ers and Seahawks.

 

2. Kyler Murray has generally cooled down after a pretty impressive first couple of weeks but he was hot last night. It helps having Hopkins and Fitz who you can trust to be in the right place at the right time but he was pretty on point passing, save for the INT.

 

3. If Arizona had Chandler Jones healthy they would really be a threat. The rest of the their team is really set up to allow their dline to tee off but even against a questionable oline they only managed two sacks. Some of that is Russ being Russ but there is a need for a dominant pass rusher. Even more galling for the Cardinals that they have one, he is just hurt.

 

4. Interesting Arizona gameplan. DK Metcalf is now officially Seattle's #1 receiver. When teams have two legit wideouts I always take the view that to find out who is the #1 ignore who catches the most balls or has the most yards and focus on who defences try and take away. Last year when teams played Seattle they gameplanned to stop Lockett. They let you have a couple of shot plays to DK but said "he isn't going to keep enough drives alive to beat us." That has now flipped. Arizona played Pat Pete on DK and pretty much took him away and said "we will let you try and beat us with Lockett." And Seattle almost did. Defending this team is like picking your poison.

 

5. If Seattle do not reach the Superbowl the reason will be their lines - particularly their defensive line. Their oline isn't great but at times in games does enough. But they are getting bashed up front on the defensive side.

 

6. The play of the game was made by two guys who went in round 2 of the NFL draft and are showing everyone they should have been first rounders. I had a 1st round grade on Budda Baker in that great DB draft of 2017 and he just keeps getting better. The one knock on him coming into this year was "needs to take the ball away" to which my counter was he plays so much more in the box he doesn't get the same opportunities. They are being even more multiple with him this year and he now has two in two weeks and that would have been a pick 6 against anyone other than DK Metcalf. Amazing closing speed from DK. Just incredible. I didn't have a 1st on him in 2019 I had a high 2nd but he was still in my top 32 and he clearly has shown he should have been a first round pick. DK and AJ Brown were on the same college offense. Just let that sink in for a moment.

 

 

EDIT: just one edit to further expand on point #6. One of my knocks on DK in college was inconsistent effort. There were times on his Ole Miss tape where frankly he was half assing it. I did kind of ponder way back when watching that whether he was just frustrated being on a bad team and knew he was going to the NFL whatever. To see the effort on that play last night just demonstrates he is far more locked in with Seattle than he ever was in college. Does also make you wonder if he'd have been that wherever he landed or if being on a good team matters with him. Just one thing to ponder.

Edited October 26, 2020 by GunnerBill

[YoloinOhio]

Seattle defense 🚮

[BillsPride12]

Great game last night.  I stayed up way past my bedtime and I'm gonna be dragging ass at work today but it was worth it.  That DK Metcalf play was the best play I've seen all season.

[colin]

im getting ahead of myself but i am allowed because i am a fan.  so, assuming ne just still stinks and our d has figured out how not to be the worst, and we win that game, can we hope to split w these teams?

 

we'd need brown and at least one more TE, and mongo back to have a shot i think.  edmunds getting better would help too.  tall order tho

[GunnerBill]

11 minutes ago, colin said:

im getting ahead of myself but i am allowed because i am a fan.  so, assuming ne just still stinks and our d has figured out how not to be the worst, and we win that game, can we hope to split w these teams?

 

we'd need brown and at least one more TE, and mongo back to have a shot i think.  edmunds getting better would help too.  tall order tho

 

I think we will beat New England and if you offered me a split between Seattle and Arizona right now I'd snap your hand off. I had a split in my game by game predictions. I had us beating Seattle at home and losing in Arizona. I still think that is the most likely way of getting a split. Try and score on the bad Seattle D.

[Hebert19]

5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Welp, this didn't age well

 

 

MVP!  MVP! 

 

3 INT game for Wilson.  To be fair, he made some amazing throws as well.  But we would harshly criticize Josh for some of those mistakes.

That first one was a terrible throw and decision.  Metcalf bailed him out. 

[BITE ME]

11 hours ago, Turk71 said:

Extreme in both directions so far. Offense is better than the defense is bad.

Not really.  Seattle STILL does not have a win over a team with a winning record and their defense gave up 37 points last night.  So yes, their schedule has been a joke and their defense is still a joke.  They are basically a Rams type team, not a Steelers or Titans level team.  A playoff team with flaws, nothing more. Seattle has no chance against a team like Tampa Bay or even Green Bay. If Seattle is lucky they win a playoff game. You can't go far with a terrible defense, and their defense is terrible.  

Edited October 26, 2020 by FUTURIST

[GunnerBill]

Just now, FUTURIST said:

Not really.  Seattle STILL does not have a win over a team with a winning record and their defense gave up 37 points last night.  So yes, their schedule has been a joke and their defense is still a joke.  They are basically the Rams type team, not a Steelers or Titans level team.  A playoff team with flaws, nothing more.

 

While I think this is harsh it is fair to say that the NFC West is helped by playing the NFC LEast this year.

[BITE ME]

34 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

While I think this is harsh it is fair to say that the NFC West is helped by playing the NFC LEast this year.

 

What is harsh.  Seattle is the #32 Defense in the NFL. https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/view/defense

 

They are on pace to be the worst defense in NFL history and they have played a bunch of awful and ok teams.  5 wins against the Vikings, Patriots, Falcons, Cowboys, and Dolphins. Not one of those teams has a winning record. 

 

 

Edited October 26, 2020 by FUTURIST

[mannc]

8 minutes ago, FUTURIST said:

 

What is harsh.  Seattle is the #32 Defense in the NFL. https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/view/defense

 

They are on pace to be the worst defense in NFL history and they have played a bunch of awful and ok teams.  5 wins against the Vikings, Patriots, Falcons, Cowboys, and Dolphins. Not one of those teams has a winning record. 

 

 

They are awful on defense without Jamal Adams.  Anyone watching that game last night knew that the Seahawks defense had zero chance of stopping the Cardinals in the fourth quarter and OT.  Carroll was an idiot to punt on 4th and 2 on their last possession of regulation.

Edited October 26, 2020 by mannc

[BITE ME]

Just now, mannc said:

They are awful on defense without Jamal Adams.  Anyone watching that game last night knew that the Seahawks defense had zero chance of stopping the Cardinals in the fourth quarter and OT.  Carroll was an idiot to punt on 4th and 2 on their last possession of the fourth quarter.

 

They were awful with Jamal Adams. Watch the Patriots-Seahawks game.  They are a historically bad defense.  They are on pace to be the worst defense in NFL history. That is not an exaggeration. 

[Chicken Boo]

10 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Is this a thing? I haven't seen any discussion of Kyler Murrary on this board.

 

This was an entire thread on here about how Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray  had been "figured out" by the league. 

9 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

Really? I guess some impress easier than others. Arizona's 2nd half D won that game. Kyler's decent but let's hold off the coronation shall we. 

 

Right.  Kyler had very little to do with it....🤨

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, BillsPride12 said:

Great game last night.  I stayed up way past my bedtime and I'm gonna be dragging ass at work today but it was worth it.  That DK Metcalf play was the best play I've seen all season.

A guy sprinting was the best play you’ve seen all season?  I think Lockett made 3 catches last night that were better than a big man sprinting straight 

[NewEra]

18 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

This was an entire thread on here about how Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray  had been "figured out" by the league. 

 

Right.  Kyler had very little to do with it....🤨

He had a lot to do with it.....but Arizona’s D got stops and picked RW off 3 times.  They pressured him and confused him.  How many times was Kyler murray hit last night?  None.  Seattle’s DL looked like 4 Harrison Phillips out there last night.  Partially because murray is ultra elusive, partly because SeattleS DL is garbage.  Arizona’s defense came up big in big spots.  Seattle’s D was invisible all game. 

[mannc]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

He had a lot to do with it.....but Arizona’s D got stops and picked RW off 3 times.  They pressured him and confused him.  How many times was Kyler murray hit last night?  None.  Seattle’s DL looked like 4 Harrison Phillips out there last night.  Partially because murray is ultra elusive, partly because SeattleS DL is garbage.  Arizona’s defense came up big in big spots.  Seattle’s D was invisible all game. 

AZ’s defense really stepped it up at the end of regulation and OT.  Very aggressive and smart.  I haven’t seen Wilson look like that in a long time.  

[Jauronimo]

2 hours ago, FUTURIST said:

Not really.  Seattle STILL does not have a win over a team with a winning record and their defense gave up 37 points last night.  So yes, their schedule has been a joke and their defense is still a joke.  They are basically a Rams type team, not a Steelers or Titans level team.  A playoff team with flaws, nothing more. Seattle has no chance against a team like Tampa Bay or even Green Bay. If Seattle is lucky they win a playoff game. You can't go far with a terrible defense, and their defense is terrible.  

I agree.

 

Arizona has losses to the Lions and Panthers, two middling teams.  Arizona's 2 statement wins are in division against a Seattle (a team with zero victories against winning teams as you pointed out) and San Francisco in week 1 who has losses to Miami and Philadelphia.  

 

I think its way to early to anoint the entire NCF West for beating each other and the NCF East.  Arizona and Seattle will be big tests for us but Buffalo is looming as one of the tougher games on their schedules as well.